Making Authentic Sharps Carbine Cartridges
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Making authentic Sharps Carbine Cartridges with the new Eras Gone Bullet Molds Richmond Sharps bullet. We will discuss the bullet and give step by step instruction for easy to make authentic cartridges for reproduction and original Sharps carbines.
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Wow...... thanks for the history lesson. A mostly forgotten transition from cap and ball then paper cartridge then copper then brass cases..... very cool for you to show this assembly.........
Got my 1859 Sharps carbine 4 weeks ago.
Thanks for this vid.Helped me much to make my own paper cartridges.
Hello from England.That was fascinating, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge. I hope you get well soon.
Thanks Grendel! I'm happy you enjoyed it.
Very Interesting, there is a sharps in my local store and was curious as to how they would do this.
Edit: there Was a sharps in that store, now I hunt with it.
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I finally got a Sharps Infantry model. Thank you for this video!
Just received my mold in the mail today, I am blown away. I can’t wait to cast bullets tomorrow. Thanks again Mark!!!
Mark, I took my Shiloh 1863 carbine to the range today and had a blast shooting piles of dirt at 350 to 500 yards with your Eras Gone Richmond Laboratories mold. Using the ladder rear sight, I could see the bullets raising a 6 to 20 foot plume of dust as the bullets struck the dry dirt. It was fun too to see how long it took them to get there. I did some target shooting too, and printed some nice groups at 50 and 75 yards, but that was not near the fun as the dirt piles. I made two types of cartridges. One exactly like you mention here, except that I nitrated the paper. The second, a flush nitrated cartridge that I punched a flash hole in the base with an leather awl. I shot almost 100 rounds and not a single misfire. The Shiloh Sharps holds 60 grains and I was using Goex FG. the velocity is around 900 FPS.
Mark, thanks for the feedback. I'm very happy you are having fun shooting that bullet. I like it too. I've been keeping my eye out for a Shiloh, but none have appeared that I can afford yet. I've heard that Shiloh is putting the percussion guns back into production. Maybe I'll get on their waiting list!
I am beginning to learn all about shoulder surgery. Great video. Thank you.
Wow. Thanks for the schooling! Love learning about these Civil War weapons!
My 1859 Pedersoli sharps carbine holds 80gr behind one of your bullets with the paper cartridge. The cartridges end up having a very short tail, only about a 1/4 inch long after the second bend, but it still functions just the same. I will give a range report after this weekend. Hope your shoulder is healing well.
Major, thanks for the report. 80grains! That is a big load for a Sharps. I'll be interested in seeing your range report. You might also try it with 60 or less grains also. I'm out of my sling and healing, but still cant lift a rifle worth a flip. It gets better every day, however. Thanks for asking.
@@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 Sorry for the extremely late range report. I have found out that the the Richmond bullets are just a tad bit less accurate than the ringtail at this moment, but by a VERY small margin. Both are keeping around a 4 inch group at 50 yards with 40 grains of 3f Olde Eynsford powder. Also my best group with the Richmond is an 8 inch group at 100yds. I'm still breaking in and getting used to the carbine so the groups should be getting better as time goes on. Overall a nice bullet.
Thats a pretty good amount of powder in your rifle. I would like to see your cartridges, and also a shooting session. If you make a video please let me know!
great demo .... watched while I made paper cartridges' for this season's upcoming Civil War Reenactments. *LIKED* the video pards.
I have an 1863 .54 IAB I got at Dixie about 18 yrs ago.
It takes .544 sharps 475 grain bullets that Dixie sells by 100. They recommend 60 grains 3f.
So what I did was bought a Lee mold .541 415 grain to make my own to cut the cost.
It has a hollow skirt so it expands when powder goes off
I glue the paper cartridge on above the grease bands to just where the tip starts This makes up the .004 difference in bullet size.
It takes 80 grains of powder to fill the chamber so I can adjust the amount with filler if I want less powder.
I had an IAB Sharps about 8 years ago, and I wish there was a video out there like that then because no one could quite tell me how to make the paper cartridge for it and I never got it to shoot like I wanted to I ended up selling it. Now I wish I had kept the gun and played around with it more, I know I spent a lot of hours working on it but could never get it to ignite with any reliability.
Thank you for the good explanation!
Heal well! I am interested in a range report once you can shoot again. Great tutorial on making Sharp cartridges. Thank you. I have long thought owning a Sharps replica would be way cool, but the ammunition stumped me. Thanks for the tutorial.
I'm dying for a report too! I suspect someone else will fire the first shots with these bullets. It will be about 6-8 weeks before I can consider a range visit.
Thats Amazing you not need all the expensive Stuff just Projektil, Paper, Powder and Glue and your Hands, Great
Very interesting, looking forward to the range video!
hope you heal quickly with no problems. i make the flat base seems to work better. hopefully be able to show that in a video. then be able to test your bullet to make 100% sure
Great video. Waiting for coffee filters and stump remover to make some. My sharps is 1863. Had a gunsmith check it. Still good to fire.😁
Really want to get my hands on one of those .54 Richmond molds a sharps followed me home this weekend.
Absolutely amazing video! I learned a lot :-) I hope your shoulder is healing nicely!
Thanks! I appreciate the feed back
@@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 My pleasure Sir :-)
?? WONDERING YOUR LEAD TO TIN RATIO in the pot when making your molds. Enjoyed this video very versatile much.
As with the originals, these are cast with pure soft lead. The same is true with all
of my other bullets
Well now I have to get a 1859 Sharps. Wish you had this mold when I had one.
Simply amazing.. the "old timers" really had some skill.
Enjoyed your instructional video. I remember shotgun loads in paper/cardboard casings. I even reloaded a few. Not something I would recommend unless it's all you had. It was. Lol
Thanks Mark really neat. I may knock out some for my rifle and see how it goes.
looks easy after you have done a zillion of them. Starting out expect to make a mess and throw a lot of paper away.
One of the finest videos I have ever seen. I'm an admitted novice (if even that) and my ignorance is almost complete on this era of rifles. How was the powder ignited? Was there a cap/primer?
Yes. Percussion Caps for muzzle Loaders no 1081
The sound of your voice reminds me of Fess Parker!
I can't think of a better voice to remind folks of! Thanks
I happen to have a used Chiappa 1863 carbine on the way.
to think that there were people making these by the thousands during the civil war every day and it was the up to date tech at the time.
Much appreciated.
You can fit more grains if you use a drop tube, which would be accurately correct.
Can you use Pyrodex in the Sharps or must you use black powder for reliable ignition ? Black powder is carried by no one I know of in my area .
Order it on MidwayUSA. hazmat fee is $11, but if you order more than $50 worth of products its free shipping
Pyrodex works excellent. I prefer it over traditional black powder. Pyrodex is cleaner burning, has higher velocity and meters the same. Pyrodex is also cheaper than most other powders. It is safe and superior. I have been using pyrodex for 25 years now. Its very good stuff.
Thanks for all the great history! Did the paper every get lubed or some sort of water protection? The Sepoy rebellion in India was partly over the cartridges supposedly being lubed with forbidden animal products. Wasn’t sure if we ever tried to protect the cartridges similarly.
The Sharps bullet was lubed but not the paper. The paper was designed to burn up and/or be expelled with the bullet. The Sepoy Rebellion was supposedly sparked over Enfield cartridges. the bullet end of the paper was dipped in mutton tallow and served a greased paper patch for the bullet. I suspect the Sepoys had a bigger beef with the Brits than just cartridge manufacturing! :)
Looking forward to the range report.
Same way I make my muzzle loader cartridges.
amazing thank you
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Awesome !!
Hope you are feeling better soon
Thanks Steven!
Very informative Great video you give nice detail love your sharps i been looking at these cool piece of shooting history what type paper is that your using ?
Joe, I use light weight masking paper that I found in the paint dept of Home Depot. It is about $5 for a mult-year supply.
Keep it up! Love this videos!
Mark i got a question about the possibility of you making a 3 ring ringtail mold
my reenacting unit we use 3 band infantry sharps and many of our members are seeking a historically accurate bullet mold
I've used this mold and it was wonderful and makes some beauties
Thanks Sir, as I mentioned in the video, there are several ring tail molds on the market now. The most authentically shaped one is that made by Pedersoli. If there is enough interest, sometime in the future I may do a correct "New Model" Sharps bullet.
Very nice info. Did the soldiers make these on there own or were they made somewhere else ? I ask because you mentioned the south used them and they were always in short supply of most things. Thank you and I’ve had both shoulders worked on I know the feeling.
Very well done video. Great info, thank you!
Thanks, Mark! Glad you found it interesting
Is this considered a black powder antic? Do u have to purchase from a ffl? Or is it like the army navy remanufactured pistols??
This is considered an antique firearm and is not subject to Federal firearms laws. It can be purchased without going through an FFL unless your local laws say other wise.
Fantastic
Spider walks Mark will get you going I had both shoulders done: another great video! Have you considered using water glass for the bullet to paper application? I read that is what was used back in the day.
Thanks Joe. I have some water glass, but have found no evidence of its use on this type cartridge. It is not mentioned in the 1861 Ordnance Manual. However, the manual has several recipes for making starch based paste.
Duco cement (nitrocellulose) works great.
Zzyzx thanks I’m going to try it I find Elmer’s works but I question how long it will hold up paper to bullet obviously these cartridges are delicate imo thanks
Can you use paper cartridges in revolvers?
Check my other videos. I have several on making and shooting paper cartridges. Thanks
@@MEHubbs Thanks
I make mine like the french Chassepot rifle cartridge, not an authentic sharps cartridge but might be a little easier
I aquired a Garret sharps and use this bullet mold, it made a great set, I even tried converting #11 percussion caps for the lawrence pellet primer system, had the rare success but not many on the pellets. I had a question I hope isn't a dumb one but have you ever used this bullet in a regular .54 muzzleloader?
Just got my 1863 Sharps Carbine made by Shiloh today(waited 2 years 2 months for the damn thing, lol). I have a powder question, what powder type do i need to use with the paper cartridge? I was thinking 2f, so i bought some online and i'm waiting for it to be shipped to me.
The owners manual is only good for telling you: how to clean, disassemble, and unload the rifle. Doesn't say anything about what powder to use and how much.
Either 3 or 2 F will work. If you are using reduced target loads for accuracy, I suggest 3F. For full military loads or for hunting I suggest 2F.
@@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 I was going for military load. Looks like my sharps with the Eras Gone bullet will hold about 55gr of 2f when using a paper cartridge like yours. Can't wait to fire my sharps!
Mark, I really enjoy the videos. Can you let us know how we can read the Confederate Ordnance Manual? I enjoy trying to copy the original loads. Hope the shoulder heals quickly!
Burke, I have a hardbound reprint of the CS Ord Manual. However, it is primarily a plagiarized version of the US Ordnance Manual. You can find the US version on line here: www.artilleryreserve.org/The_Ordnance_Manual.pdf
Greetings from Russia. As I see Your Sharps is equipped with Lawrence Pellet Primer. Is it old repro made by IAB and imported by Garret arms?
Best Regards, Alexander!
Thanks! Yes, this is one of the carbines imported by Garret. I wish IAB still made them with the priming system.
Hello there, I just purchased a 1859 Pedersoli Sharps carbine. Im having a problem with making cartridges. Whenever I seat a cartridge (with 80 grains of 2f, max load from Pedersoli's manual) I still have a gap between the back of the cartridge and the breech block. What would be your recommendation? Do I add cream of wheat behind the bullet as a filler so that I get my proper length of cartridge?
A cream of wheat or gits filler might be you easiest solution. My buddy Steve makes a modern target cartridge and he uses no filler, just air space in the cartridge. It works great and perfectly safe. Here is a link to his video on how to make those cartridges. ruclips.net/video/5XVLIxtHNW4/видео.html
Very we;; done Thanks
Great video!
I just made my first one for my 1859 Pedersoli Sharps. Is the bullet and powder just supposed to lay loose in the chamber? My chamber is quite a bit longer than the paper cartridge.
What is the average bullet weight on these?
These are 510 grains. www.erasgonebullets.com/store/product/-54-richmond-sharps
I have a question. I have a historical fiction story I’m writing about, where a confederate cavalry officer uses a sharps carbine to shoot at a group of Union Jayhawkers, but the breech blows up in his face and he loses his right eye in the process. Did this happen?
Great video. What type of paper do you suggest to make these cartridges?
I use simple thin brown masking paper that I found in the paint department at Home Depot.
Cigarette papers work the very best. They are nitrited. You can get zig zag in large long size. Work great.
I thought when you made these cartridges you had to Nitrate the paper, I always do for mine
None of the original Sharps cartridges were nitrated as far as I know, so I use un-nitrated paper. Mine seem to burn up and clear ash with each shot.
@@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 Thanks for clearing that up
does this lee mold have a model number? and also can you use regular paper to make these paper cartridges or do yo need the combustible nitrate paper?
Earl there is a mold number, but like all of my molds the design is proprietary and no availible for general purchase from LEE. You can use any kind of paper that will burn completely when the shot is fired. Sharps cartridges were NOT nitrated originally and I don't recommend that they be nitrated in current cartridges.
thank you !!!
WHat is the diameter of those original Richmond bullets? It is difficult to find appropriate bullets for the original(and some repro) 52 Cal guns. Would like to use this bullet in an original Sharps with a .530" groove. Your bullet is just too big.
Do they have a paper cartridge bullet mold similar to the long neck that you have shown in 54 cal, in 45 cal? .458 is my Sharps 1863 sporting rifle. This bullet type would really fit the bill. Jack
I put lubed wonder wads in my paper cartridge. Under the bullet, over the powder. I lube the bullet generously, fill the lube groove. The wad and lube greatly reduce barrel leading. No kidding.
Have you used Jim Shokeys black powder? It burns really clean
What a wonderful carbine to own & shoot! As I thought, it is a .54 caliber. What happened to the "PAPER cartridge case" upon firing? I expect it burnt up? Why not use "NITRATED PAPER" instead of paper, as it would burn up better. But this might not be "historically correct"! But so what! What "flips my jibbit" most is that absolutely gorgeous HAMMER, designed like a "bodybuilder"! It's got "muscles" like no other!! "Gesundheit"!
Usually all of the paper or paper ash is expelled from the muzzle. Sharps cartridges were'nt nitrated because they typically all burn up anyway. Also there is slight risk of premature ignition if there is any ash in the chamber and you press a nitrated cartridge into it.
What measure has the stick ?
Mr. Hubbs about what is your muzzle velocity with that load?
Joanie, I have not had the opportunity to shoot over a chronograph. It would also be determined by which powder charge was loaded. In theory, if this bullet were fired in a sharps with a 60 grain charge the velocities should be about the same or a little more than a .58 rifle musket.
@@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 That is the charge I use in my full size rifle Sharps 28 inch barrel. A 510 gr Tree bullet 60 gr of 2F, I plan on getting one of your molds. Iv yet too shoot over a chrony either.
How do you nitrate paper?
No need for the Sharps. The cartridge paper seems to burn up completely.
great instuctive video just one question you said 8 parts bees wax and 1 part tallow is that by weight before melting ,would equate to say 8oz of beeswax and the 1oz of tallow .
look forward to your reply when able
Can comiserate re the shoulder good luck with the operation and healing ,like me one to many recoils ??
cheers from down under
I measure it by weight. If you like a softer recipe, Confederate Ordnance used 2 parts wax and 1 part tallow. This was because of a shortage of bees wax in southern states. Softer in hot weather, but still does well.
Hello. Thank you for very inspiring knowledge. Would you be so kind and help me with recipe for lube you mention at 14:50 - it is 8 parts of bee's wax and one part of tello? tallo? Something I can not understand and I do not know what is it. Thank you :)
The US Army recipe for lubricant was 8 pars bees wax and 1 part tallow. Mutton tallow was preferred, but beed tallow worked as well. The Confederate recipe was 2 parts wax and 1 part tallow because they had a shortage of bees wax.
@@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 Thank you very much for your kind reply. Despite my attempts to decipher the mysterious word, the effects were at least poor and my PL-US translator can't help. But now I understand everything :) Wish you a good day!
We're could I obtain the paper
As mentioned, this is thin masking paper that comes in small rolls. You can get it at the paint dept at Lowes or Home Depot.
Can a .54 cal Minnie be used in a sharps carbine?
Do you have the patterns for making the combustible cartridge that didn't have the end cut off by the breech block?
It would be very interesting to be able to see both variations.
Caleb, my friend Steve Sheldon had a good tutorial video on making the "new style" cartridges. ruclips.net/video/5XVLIxtHNW4/видео.html
GREAT video....loved it...thanks
if a soldier from the civil war could see this, he would say, "Why the HELL are they doin that??"
Perhaps I missed it but how do you determine the length of the side of the templet marked "M" in the video?
Paul, I think you are reading the "3" as a "M"
@@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 You're right, I feel so stupid for not realizing it but I kept waiting through the video for the explanation of how to determine the correct length for "M". Thanks.
@@paulmazan4909 Don't feel that way. It was easy to mis-understand the way I had it oriented on the template.
Have you done a video on the Lawrence primer system?
Alex, probably not. There are no modern or reproduction pellets to experiment with.
Eras Gone Bullet Molds that’s too bad, I wonder if anyone has experimented with making their own.
Are paper cartridge sharps reproductions still available?
Yes, still made by Pedersoli and Chiappa. I've read that Shiloh Sharps plans to bring them back into production also.
Have you considered nitrocellulose adhesive? I ordered some from, I believe if I recall correctly, a model supply website.
Joel, if the Nitrocellulose sets up quickly it might be very effective. However, I've found no evidence for it being used on standard period Sharps cartridges. Johnston & Dow made some waterproop Sharps cartridges on contract during War (they did not get good reviews) and I suspect they were waterproofed with Nitro.
are these 52 or 54 caliber? been looking a sharps carbine at a local gun shop in 52, but can only find molds for 54
The .52 caliber is the original caliber for these Civil War rifles the reproduction's are .54 caliber,you could try Dixie gun works or Lee precision they may have molds for the .52s
You might have to buy a sizer die and size those larger bullets down. Food for thought
.52 is what Sharps called them based on the bore diameter on top of the lands and about .538-540 in the grooves. The bullet is about .540 or little more because want an oversized bullet to squeese through the bore and the rifling grooves. So when folks talk about .52s and .54s it is really the same thing.
...all of these original paper cartridges would have been made my women an children in those days of the Civil War.
So what cal is your sharps?
They are consider .54s today because of the bullet size. The same bore size was marketed as a .52 back in the day.
Explodi Zigare 😂❤
Beautiful cartridges. It almost seems a shame to shoot them. :)
感覺并不是很安全， 當然前面製作子彈的時候， 是很安全的，只是最後在裝入槍膛，閉鎖的剪接力，如果其中有火藥顆粒， 很容易就引燃了。。然後就會出危險。
只要沒有明火或火花，任何此過程都沒有危險。
fyuz not why
JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR will heal your shoulder!! As a fellow a Christian gun owner, I will pray for a quick and speedy recover and it is HE who will deliver upon it!!
Thanks, D5quared! I appreciate it.
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