The Truth About Switzerland's Gun Regulations: Not The Daily Show's Fake News Version
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The Daily Show recently produced a couple of videos about Switzerland's gun culture. Although broadly positive and in favour of the Swiss, it of course contained some Fake News: basically both videos contained some misleading graphics and incredibly false statements about certain aspects of Swiss gun law.
By popular demand, The Bloke and The Chap set the record straight, explaining how it works and what's false or misleading about the graphic in question.
Plus, even Lederhosen are Fake News - they're German, not Swiss. Talk about cultural appropriation... of the wrong culture!
#dailyshow #fakenews #switzerland #guns #regulations 
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Some of the fine, rather more obscure detail we didn't go into in what's already a 45 minute vid and is of limited interest but which people have since asked about:
1. What's a controlled part? Receiver / frame, barrel, slide, bolt / breechblock, revolver cylinder.
2. What about repro black powder stuff? If it's cartridges, it's the same as modern stuff. If it's a muzzleloader, it's "free" (so needs a contract with a copy sent to the police) unless it's a muzzle-loading revolver, when it needs a permit.
I SURVIVED!!!!
Ok... so what if an American wanted to come shoot at a swiss competition? Can we bring our own guns?
so, original colt or remington is free, but modern italian replica needs permit?
@@moalabs Correct.
@@pwrserge83 Yes, with import paperwork. If it's the official competitions, you'd need to make sure the event organisers would let you shoot, and that your guns are allowed by the competition rules. Not really worth the hassle flying with guns when people will be bending over backwards to loan you equipment.
The tea set up is aggressively British.
The Fjarlsland Project There’s an idea, tactical tea 😆
@@thebotrchap I wonder if tactical water heating is a valid exception for a restricted firearm, 1 full auto rifle, use water to cool barrel, use now hot water to brew tea, instant tactical tea!!!
We already have a company selling tactical coffee over here in the US.
krinkov39 Is that Black Rifle coffee co? Their vids are always a laugh 😆
Yeah, the prius with a 20mm vulcan on top is amazing. You guys should make a trip to the US some day to shoot in desert brutality. Keep an eye out on this years videos for a dork with a PE90 running around.
The problem with The Daily Show is that a lot of its viewers see it as a legitimate news source rather than a comedy show.
Indeed. Just look at the comments under the DS videos... And the number of comments under this one justifying lying about Swiss gun laws cos "it's satire". Which is exactly how propaganda works.
Yeah but that's probably because it's not very funny.
@@BlokeontheRangeA while back I met an American tourist couple who were completely convinced that black people were being killed en masse, in the Southern US states, just for existing while black.
I tried to introduce some nuance, suggesting they might not know the whole story in the way they think... the lady got very animated, assuring me that it was absolutely happening. Regardless of the fact I know people from there personally, including some black people, I just told them I was just a European, and that I therefore couldn't know for certain what was true as the only information I have is through indirect sources.
It was easier. And hopefully planted some seeds of critical thinking. But there is no talking to people who are only looking to confirm what they want to hear.
people shouldn't get their legal information from a comedy show
Or from corporate TV in general.
That’s the truly funny and sad part. Here in the US, many on the left (...my apologies for interjecting politics) do indeed get what they believe are “facts” from comedians.
But it isn't even a comedy show any more, it's just a propaganda show.
@@Folma7 to be fair, there's been a lot of reason coming from comedy versus a lot of public news outlets in my recent experience. Jon Stewart had a lot of good things to say as an example.
One should get their information from multiple sources, regardless of origin. Just watching Bloke On The Range isn't going to be enough either - because it is still just one source, even if it is a more knowledgeable one (sorry).
"But the person on the screen is funny and would never lie to me..."
WAIT A SECOND, HOLD ON NOW! Are you saying that Swiss gun owners know more about Swiss gun ownership than a sarcastic, sexual innuendo talk show host? It can't be.
i thought only the british were alergic to sex?
Lol, idk. I thought random talk show people in the US know everything. They can't lie about things on TV right? Fake News is strictly an Internet thing...
^This is pure sarcasm. :)
@@andrewmattox1233 Say it ain't so! As seen on TV means it's genuine - right?
@@DominicAmann, exactly!!! The SciFy channel is the best source for documentaries.
On top of this The daily shows host is from south africa and only came to the states some time after 2011, he is a mouth peice of the democrat party and often shows extreme bias against the republican party. The Daily Show is classified as a comedy show and should NEVER be taken as factual news.
*Inflammatory political statement with deliberate misspellings and extraneous punctuation!*
How dare you you insert stupid insults and random stats or feelings
*A counterpoint laden with vague and direct comments (and threaths) about your person and family!*
*Obligatory, reflexive and vomitory accusations of being triggered and a snowflake*
My feelings are awesome so they are more legally relevant than other peoples feelings, opinions, and facts
Garret LeBuis go back to the daily show comment section.
No discussion of Swiss gun laws by two British gentlemen would be complete without a spot of tea.
Kept warm by Queen Elizabeth on her Diamond Jubilee!
It's cold. They're brits, why not?
And wait for all this to blow over
That did make me chuckle.
@@walangchahangyelingden8252 they’re British so it shouldn’t be questioned in the first place. It’s like an American with a gun or peanut butter and jelly
Two English engineers spot someone saying something wrong on their specialist subject.
@sman7290 Now now, no politics.
sman7290 the rare exception being Fox News, right?
Guys, please. Much as I'd like to respond I'm not going to, Mike asked for no politics, please respect that.
@@Matt_The_Hugenot Politics is how LAWS are determined, not by acts of God, or YT channel owners. Talk about Chickens, why don't you?
I mean, the Daily Show == Chickens. Much like most of the Dumb Regressive Leftist media.
As a Swiss gunowner, I appreciate the video. The one downvote must be from the Daily Show account ;)
Lol
There's now 42. I didn't know the Daily show had that many viewers.
Or because Americans understand that the laws they are dealing is horrible and tyrannical.
just out of curiosity, how many years did you spend in the military?
@@timq6224 Only about 7
Great video! The Swiss are usually pointed to as the model for "proper" firearms ownership, but with almost no accurate elaboration. As an American shooter I can understand the frustration with the incorrect portrayal. At this point unless it's from a channel like yours or Ian and Karl over at Inrange, I don't trust any sort of "reporting." At best its just ignorance, at worst its intentional disinformation.
I think from what I've heard in this video the swiss laws are actually even more appropriate than the daily show made them out to be. Specifically because they are not as strict as it was made out to be but there are some very sensible "user responsibility" laws as opposed to "legal restrictions". For instance if the gun is stored incorrectly with the definition not being a bunch of complicated storage standards but instead "it must be stored in such a way where a child cannot get both the gun and ammo"....that's just plain sensible and opens careless people up to negligence claims and lets them decide what level of risk they are willing to take.
The fact they don't have to report sales of free guns but it's generally recommended because the seller has a duty of care. Not a regulation but an owner can decide for themselves what level of risk they want to take.
Transporting guns with empty mags. Completely sensible. You want to carry get a carry permit, no problem if you need it, but if your just a hunter you don't need it. easy.
Its how easy and sensible it all is that makes me like it so much but it still makes gun owners responsible for their firearms.
Yup, also the opposing side likes to claim that every state in the USA is essentially just a free for all in terms of buying guns. While states like CT have strict regulations and it's quite costly to acquire your permit running about $280+USD not including a firearm, cleaning equipment, a safe, etc. Not to mention we already have a gun ban in place on top of magazine limitations which prevent certain guns from being available for purchase.
The real difference between the Swiss and the US is attitude towards guns more than the laws themselves. IMO
@@redwolfexr I kinda agree with that. Because its a right in america a lot of people treat it like it doesn't come with responsibilities. Freedom of speech means you can say anything you want BUT you are responsible for the consequences of what you say. If you use that speech to substantially harm a person (lie to deny them money or their rights etc), or use your speech recklessly such as revealing classified information or if your a juror etc.
the attitude seems to be i have the right to a gun but no responsibility to take appropriate care with it.
Their gun culture is also inherently woven into their military service culture as well. So the understanding of firearms in their culture is almost universally homogeneous.
In US parlance "open carry" means openly carrying a loaded, holstered pistol or loaded rifle on your person so that it may be immediately used for self-defense. It is legal in some states and illegal in others. However, there are many legal minefields for someone who wants to do so without violating the law. For instance, you can't go to a US Postal facility or even drive through their parking lot to post a letter. That's a Federal offense.
Yup, I know what you lot mean by it :) I hope we explained well enough that the statement "strict open carry" makes no sense in the Swiss context :)
You are misstating it. There are two basic common law rationales for carry laws that influenced US state law. One s "it's okay so long as we can all see where you have it" and the other is opposite. "it's OK so long as you keep it covered, and out of sight." Conventional open carry comes from the first instance, and it is a legal concept that in those jurisdictions, anyone not prohibited from owning a firearm can carry it so long as it is conspicuously visible as a firearm. So a visible holster is fine. Other states, including a lot of the south have their laws derived from the opposite rationale. This leads to a lot of confusion, since many states with more modern statutory carry permit laws may overlap with open carry common law, and statutory restatement of that common law. Also depending on the state a carry permit may allow either conspicuous or concealed carry. This becomes problematic, because many firearms owners I have surveyed misunderstand their own state's laws, and tend to mix it up with concepts from other states. -IAAL, and I have taught gun law to various groups. It is also discouraging how badly misinformed many law enforcement people are. Cops who like guns tend to be competent and well informed, the other cops not so much.
@@GunFunZS Interesting but far beyond the subject of the video. I just wanted to make sure that Bloke understood the meaning of the term, which he does.
@@DRNewcomb I was making the point that there are several distinct meanings of the term. One simply means carrying in a way that is visible. Another means carrying visibly because a permit allows you to. Another means carrying visibly so that you don't need a permit. All of these get mixed up.
What about hunting?
As a Swiss soldier and gun owner, thank you very much for the video! Keep it up
Oh look a STG 57 and a little hat for the tea-pot.
* Stgw ;)
hearing you two talking about switzerland gunlaws and burocracy almost feels like you are talking about a fictional country. my god, a burocratic system that makes sense, laws that protect people and dont criminalize legal gun owners. Its really crazy to think that this is all possible in Europe in this day and age.
Im sooo jealous of you.
salute from behind the enemy lines!(Spain)
It does sound too good to be true.
The key is to not join the EU :^)
Who criminalizes legal gun owners?
@@Mike_LaFontaine75 quite almost every first world country
@@neojenshi4055 How many LEGAL gun owners are going to prison?
I think the "formal training" and "mental background check" misconceptions come from the widespread mistaken belief in America that "everyone" in Switzerland undergoes military training and that therefore "everyone is given a gun".
The root of the myth being the fact that mental checks and formal training are requirement and consequence, respectively, of the army recruitment/conscription process and therefore the majority of regular Swiss gun users have undergone them at some point in their lives (however long ago that may be) (This is conjecture! I don't have any numbers, nor do I know how stringent the mental checks were in the past - if there had been any at all.)
However, failing the army's mental check (and thereby not being recruited or trained) or not joining the army in the first place (because of being physically unfit, having made the choice to do community service instead or being a woman or foreign and therefore free from conscription) does not prevent you from acquiring a gun!
Great video and explanation, though. I learned a lot by watching it and I'm Swiss! Perhaps a video about the specifics of the Swiss conscription and army system would help dispel the myths further?
ProudToBeNoob As time goes by the youth population has more and more opportunities to opt out of military service so the assumed minimal aptitude with firearms will probably fall with time.
Also about 25% of the population are furriners like us, not subject to conscription.
I've always wondered what the correct answer to Army psych test questions along the lines of "Would you enjoy killing someone?" is ...
So your saying you dont have to do military service thats cool im always hearing from anti gunners that the swiss have to do military service to own a gun
Its true that you don't need training but as most gun owner did have military training pretty much set the tune and army standard is expected from everyone in regarde of gun safety. If you walk around a shooting range with with the safety off someone will tell you to put in on very quick.
Also you have to keep in mind that you can't just go outside and start shooting at stuff. The only place you will see civilian with gun is either a shooting range or hunter and almost always those people ar part of a club and regulate and themselves.
Clear Explanations. No Politics. Straight Facts. Straight to the point. I love it.
I wish we could “de-mil” rifles like how that STG 57 was here in the US. In the US if a weapon is born select fire/full auto it is full auto forever even if you remove the parts and add a block. Here in the US “De-Mil” means to take a select fire/full auto firearm and cut the registered receiver component with a band saw through the trigger area usually and then again with a blowtorch because a bunch of boomers back in the 80s realized they could take AK parts kits and wield up the crack to make it still work. It almost brings me to tears every time I hear of a historic select fire weapon like an STG 44 or an early Colt AR that was forgotten in Grandpa’s attic that now has to be butchered because BATF.
You don't have to blow-torch them; saw cutting is fine.
I don't think the issue is the guns themselves, really, but the nature of the society. Switzerland has a extremely responsible, safe, society, which can be trusted with a large amount of guns whereas the US doesn't have that at all. It's education on every level and the nature of the society. The solution to the gun issue in the US isn't as simple as a few rules and regulation changes but it requires a systemic sociatal change.
I take it you have lived in both countries and are familiar with both gun cultures? I watched the video in question and the only difference you would find between the gun range in the video and all the ranges I've been to in the states is the language spoken. I very much doubt that you know what you're talking about.
@@bencruz563 Another arrogant American thinks he knows better🤣
Buddy you can shut your mouth, Switzerland simply has a better culture and though there has been a bit of a decline most of the bad influence ironically come from America. Its your country thats declining into a shithole which was once a great Nation and now a rapidly deteriorating shit hole. Funnily enough the US used to be like Switzerland in some extents but i guess putting instituions like the CIA, FBI, ATF, FED etc plus handing far too much power to the Elite within the US.
Plus arrogance most you Americans have from your forefathers success not your own is why your Country is declining
The degenerate society couldn't possibly be by design to support an agenda to remove the people's means of defense could it..? 🤔
I very much appreciate the in depth breakdown. I’m not a gun owner nor ever had a desire to own or shoot one, but have no issues with the guns themselves. I prefer to be educated with real information to be able to have dialog and to help correct misinformation.
My issue here in the states is just the attitude and culture many have created surrounding guns. I find it quite annoying being asked by coworkers when I’m going to finally man up and get a gun so I can actually protect my family like a real man should. It’s just annoying and the entirely wrong way of looking at it. Guns shouldn’t be equated with or seen as a sign of masculinity. Thank you again for your video. I have definitely saved it and subscribed to the channel.
Great video guys, one thing that I notice that never gets brought up about the US gun culture is that it came about from a very different course of events. It was written expressly as a consequence of a supreme distrust of government as a concept and should be used as a deterrent to the government. The central idea was that the people of the US should exist independent from the government and rely on themselves for their own well being. There are a lot of letters and other such documentation from the founders of the country demanding that these rights be written in the fashion that they are because they didn't want to become like Britain with its overreaching government.
Only important takeaway? Always pull out or you find the gun budget drastically reduced.
Was a bit concerned for you guys when I an article in the Times this morning about the firearms law changes there. Thanks for the explanation and I'm relieved that it's not too daunting. I still look back with fondness of my year in Switzerland as a lehrling koch at the Schweizerhof in Bern back in the mid '70's. Keep up the good work fellows, I find your videos hugely interesting and informative.
Ian, ex.pat Brit, living in NY State since '78.
Heh, I watched that first video from them and immediately opened your channel in a new tab to see what I could come up with concerning the legal situation in Switzerland. Great to see such an in-depth video on the subject now, thank you! :-)
Watched all of the video Brilliant and informative thank you both :-)
I thank you for taking the time to set the record straight! Here in the USA the media seems to be able to be utterly dishonest if dressing it as humor, with no repercussions...
Great content! The laws in my country are similar, but different. The big differ is with semiautos, laws changed dramatically last year and the owners of (listed of the state) owners of "bad" firearms have less than three years to get rid of firearms they may have costs of up to 7000 euro (no refund). With a stroke of a pen, lawmakers made a decition that they were now dangerous and must go away. Thousands of owners must submit, sell or outright destroy their firearm deemed bad, even the venerable M1 Garand brought home by a relative from WW2. One need to be a registered collector or be a very active shooter in IPSC for more than 2 years to keep them as a rifle to own.
Which country is this?
@@MASSspec1990 Norway
@@Stargazer80able Cool. Here in Australia things are being pushed to go that way. Laws now in some states that if your firearm is stolen, to no fault of your own, from a state police approved safe, you are the criminal, as well as the guy who stole the firearm.
@@MASSspec1990 Some laws and the actual practice of them are sometimes beyond belief.. law abiding people in good faith, can sometimes be demonized more than actual criminals with bad intent. All the best to you, mate.
That law legitimately makes me angry. It's one thing if they just banned future sale of semi autos (as much as I still think its fucking dumb) but forcing citizens with no criminal record to get rid of legally acquired guns? That's where I draw the line. Norway is going to lose alot of history.
I made it through the whole vid. Thanks for the good info. I definitely feel grateful being in one of the least regulated states when it comes to acquiring, using/enjoying, or carrying. Swiss gun laws seem quite a bit more agreeable in my view than some of our more heavily regulated states.
So basically you are saying…. You are happy your state its easier for idiots to get guns and shoot people….
This is wonderful information. It takes a lot of effort to decipher, because the two of you love to banter and chat over each other, making it difficult to understand what is being said.
Really cool video, leaves me wondering is self defence a legal reason to own a gun?
Here in Lithuania it is. Also full auto conversions to semi auto only are legal. No specific restrictions on rifles except it has to have barrel longer than 11.3 inches. AR-15's are quite common.
What about excess Soviet-era AKs? Are there semiauto conversions on the market there?
@@lieutenantkettch AK conversions aren't popular because there are plenty of Russian and Chinese made civilian AKs on the market. And the demand for AKs is low. people who own such rifles are usually also competitors. And locally made AR platform rifles are much more popular.
240pixel No, self defense is not a valid reason to apply for gun permit. And forget carry permit entirely, that's only issued on exceptional cases for rare group of individuals. If you put down "for self defense" in your application (no sporting, not collecting or hunting) ....then you'll get some questions, you'll be most likely denied the permit.
Self defense isnt an officially recognised reason. However if you want a gun for self defense, just leave the question about reason on the applicaton form blank (if not hunting, collecting or sport then what?). You should go train with the gun anyway then, at which point youre also technically doing sport, so you werent lying.
And you are of course allowed to defend yourself if you or someone else is in serious danger. At that point youre allowed to use whatever means are appropriate to save your life anyway. You would also be allowed to use an illegal gun or even an RPG (if attacked by a tank or elephant on crystal meth) or whatever means are at your disposal.
@@schoppepetzer9267 also, you need a carry permit for each and every Kanton...there's no taking your gun from Bern to Zürich if you are only allowed to carry in Bern...which makes it virtually impossible to carry at all - legally
I watched this in about six goes, Bloke. You appear to have dealt with several months worth of gripes in the process! Good video and (apparently) good research.
I am so glad that you guys made this video. This video was eye-opening! I am so surprised how many inaccuracies are out there.
It's funny because here in the states that show is considered by many as an actual news source. Those mainly being teens and college age kids.
danny Ray That’s why we jumped on it so quickly.
The sad thing is that the real news are by no means more reliable than the satirical shows...
@@nindger4270 agreed.
danny Ray and fox snd msnbc CNN is equally a shit news source so any thing you watch on tv is probably a manufactured lie
One of many reasons why our country is in serious trouble.
Gentlemen, thank you for taking the time to make that video.
"the press got worked up about it"
the origin of all needless gun control laws
The things that always bothers me is how people use strict carry laws or really inconsequential stuff like safe transport as an argument. Sure, a person in Europe won't have access to a carry permit as easily as in the US but from the moment a person has a gun and wants to commit a crime the permit system won't deter them. Once you have a gun you can stick it down the waistband and do what you want to do if you're not afraid of the consequences.
I fail to see how a country not allowing the transport of a loaded gun somehow deter disgruntled employees from shooting up their former workplace, or an angry ex-husband showing up with a gun at his ex's house. The whole premise that Switzerland has lower crime rates in part because there's safe storage laws or safe transport laws doesn't even make sense.
Not allowing the transport of a loaded gun is mainly to prevent accident i guess. What 'deter disgruntled employees from shooting up their former workplace, or an angry ex-husband showing up with a gun at his ex's house'? The culture, education, values, living standard, etc... Basically a better, less violent country.
@@dickiewongtk exactly. You'll notice that during a debate if you say that Europeans _do_ own guns, and in some countries it's not particularly hard to get them, the gun control side will reply that we virtually have no legal carry and there's safe storage laws, etc. that do not actually prevent gun violence. Completely sidestepping the cultural and educational aspects because they can't admit the US is not like Euroland.
FWIW there are European countries that allow carry. Czechia, for one, has shall-issue concealed carry.
Well you have to understand that for most European countries the main idea is that the purpose of having a gun should not be to defend yourself. You can have a gun for sport, hunting, and of course if you happen to have to use it to defend yourself at home, there´s laws that define how and when you can do it. This is pretty much the opposite of the US where the main reason for buying guns is to defend yourself, plus some people also like to use them for sport and hunting. I cannot think of a reason why a person should carry a loaded gun in a urban setting if not for self defence. And I do enjoy living in countries where the police can safely assume that I am not armed when they stop me. As for shooting your ex, that happens here as well. Shooting up your workplace is a bit less common, I guess mostly because we have better mental healthcare.
yeah, all I really have to say is this:
Chicago
I'm ordinarily a Daily Show fan but they are pretty terrible on gun facts. I remember an episode many years ago where they made fun of Joe Biden for saying that he owned a Beretta shotgun because of course the 92 is the only Beretta...
Gell-Mann amnesia, though.
Gell-Mann amnesia is real :D
of course beretta makes shotguns they have to compete with franchi and other gun makers in northern italy
I'm with you here.
I used to be a big fan of the Daily Show back in the Jon Stewart days. Though I stopped watching around 2012 when the show's quality dropped off.
I just unintentionally watched this entire thing. Well done and insightful.
I sure hope the Swiss will vote the EU rules out. Wilhelm Tell is doing a great job. Great vid.
EU rules (or AFAIK the French interpretation of EU rules) are actually not much stricter than Swiss gun laws. In fact, as far as "foreign made" guns are concerned (both bolt actions and converted semi-auto) the French law is more permissive...
Essentially, the EU also have four categories: D to A.
D are non lethal weapons (nightsticks, flashball...) and A are military weapons (anything full auto, firing explosives or with a bore >= 20mm) so there's not much to say about those.
C are rifles that have either a manual action, or a semi-auto with less than 3 rounds (i.e; you can convert a M1 Garand by padding the magazine) with a bore smaller than 20mm (.50 BMG and some other anti-tank ammunition excepted EDIT: along with military calibers you usually don't see in bolt-actions, like 5.56 NATO, which are cat B). A control is made at acquisition, where you must present either a hunting permit or a valid sporting license. The gun is then registered. To get a license, all you have to do is pay ~150€, to have a family doctor stamp your card (as for all sport licenses) and not be in the national firearm blacklist (i.e. don't rob a bank beforehand - you can burn all the red lights you want). That's it; technically, you don't even have to have a clean criminal record, if your 'crime' does not warrant an explicit mention in the aforementioned blacklist.
Finally, cat B firearms are all handguns, all semi-auto rifles (even foreign or converted down from semi-auto, magazine capacity limited to 10 rounds if it's not firing .22LR) and the odd anti-material rifle (.50 BMG is there). To get one, you need a valid FFTir license, no mention in the national firearm blacklist, a proof of purchase for a gun safe, and three stamps in your "Carnet de Tir" from your gun range. To get one of those stamps, all you have to do is fire 40 rounds (of any gun, a .22LR rifle will do) downrange without being a danger to everybody around you, so it's not exactly hard.
Then when you have all of that, you file a form specifying what you want to buy and send it to the Préfecture. When the form comes back you are officially allowed to bring that gun home with you.
Where the French law is annoying - and the Bloke mentioned it at some point - is that for cat B firearms, the control continues after acquisition. You'll have to stamp your "carnet de tir" three times a year. It's a bit annoying, but honestly all you have to do is show up at your favorite gun range three times a year so it's not exactly hard.
Since suppressors are not banned either and gun imports are not restricted, once you've filled the paperwork it's better to be a gun owner in France than in California :)
Oh, I should also mention you can mail-order weapons and ammunition of any category but A. I like to have mine delivered to the local supermarket.
So, really, if Switzerland were to adopt EU rules, it would be BENEFICIAL for gun owners, because you wouldn't have all those silly restrictions on foreign rifles.
EDIT: it appears I was mistaken on the topic of guns converted from full auto to semi-auto. Those are now category A... but if you are a dedicated sport shooter it turns out you CAN get a cat A authorization for those guns, along with extended magazines, etc...
@@GigAnonymous You are so wrong there man! In the EU paper it says, that a legal reason for gun ownership shall be obligatory, like it is in Germany. So Switzerland, please don't let the EU blackmail you!
@@sebastianhabel7312 You do realize "because I like shooting guns" is a valid, legal reason, right? We call it a "sport", look it up.
EU "laws" are not laws at all. They are interpreted and implemented by each and every country, as they see fit.
By the way, I know that because I live in France (which is in the EU, fyi) and what do you know, I own guns! I even shoot them every week! And every week, I see people with AR-15s, Glocks, 1911, CZs, Mosins, SKSes, revolvers in .357, revolvers in .44, TONS of people shooting .22LR from all kinds of guns, people shooting and having fun legally without crying about THE MAN coming to take their guns away because THEY ARE NOT COMPLETE MORONS.
If you can do your taxes, you have the mental capacity of filling the paperwork for enough guns to make a gunsmith blush!
Now AFFORDING it is another problem entirely, one that Switzerland is unlikely to ever have...
@@GigAnonymous 1. It is not enough to say""because I like shooting guns". You need to be a member of a shooting club and you have to go shooting regularly at least 12 times a year, otherwise you lose your legal reason and have to get rid of your guns. And how much money do you think you will make by selling them, if you HAVE to sell? So "because I like shooting guns" always involves money and time you have to spend in order to maintain the license. So fuck the legal reason, since it patronizes law-abiding adults, who have already proven that they are capable of handling and owning a firearm.
2. Do you really think Macron and Merkel will go easy on us when they turn the EU guideline into national law? They will both tighten the law as far as they can.
The EU guideline won't bring us anything positive, mark my words.
Gig Anonymous fellow european shooter here. The problem with the eu ‘guide’ lines is that almost every country is or will use them to bring the amount of guns down by legal law obeying citizens. I know several people which work at the eu and they clearly said that the EU doesn’t like armed citizens and will do anything to get the numbers down. So no the EU makes no laws but the government will sure use it. I’ll give it max 10 years.
I want to thank you for this show. It's so nice to have a relaxed, humorous approach to an issue that is so many time explosive... 😅
I'm a half Swiss American, living closely among that Swiss descendents and culture.
I'm sharing your video !!!
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Thanks for watching!
Found your channel today, another great video! Looks like much has changed since 1998 when I actively shot my last match, and returned to the USA. Sometime in early 90’s bought my K-31 in Solothurn at a shop, using my German Waffen Besitz Karte. The daily show is satire, and more to the anti-gun side I believe in their thinking. Here in NC for handguns you either need a carry permit ( training 8 hours, test, and shooting test), or a purchase permit $5.00 per handguns or AR-15 frame if building one. I was stopped in the 90’s and informed to carry the rifle open on the shoulder, and not in the green hunting bag we would do in Germany. Was told unless it was an Alpen Horn that needed a bag just carry it, was there for a shooting match during a jodeln fest. Ranges and roads, Biel shoots over the road and under the train, Sand shoots over the autobahn to Bern, Kloetten was at the end of the ZURICH RUNWAY, and Steffisburg shot over a neighborhood. I have a collector’s FFL and carry permit, still have my German paperwork, not sure about if I ever want to return and bringing what I have back.
Regarding antique firearms, are modern reproductions of antique firearms included in that category? Namely, Colt 1851s, Remington 1858s, and the like coming out of Italy.
No. Either "free" or, if revolvers, they need a permit.
Bloke, chap,a pot of tea and a good explanation about Switzerland's regulations what a great way to end the day. Thanks
But, the question is which tea is appropriate to discuss Swiss gun laws with?
Nice Video but it opened up a question.
I'm planing on getting a special permit for a silencer but those visits kinda scare me of. I don't think i have something stored illegal but what if i have? You said the gun and Ammunition has to be split, so is it okay if i store the ammunition on the bottom of the gun safe at the side of the rifle?I mean they are not in the gun. My bolt of the stgw 90 is in the little cache which is meant for ammunition inside the safe but my ammo won't really fit in there ;D
Kappi1997 They might object to having the ammo openly in the same compartment as the gun. I personally have lots of smaller separate ammo safes.
I saw this video in the related vids from the Daily Show "beyond the scenes" one, am American, and didn't know much of anything concretely about U.S. or Swiss gun laws (before this video, thanks - Daily Show didn't help, obviously). Very much appreciate the fully contextualized information offered here, but have one remaining question: what do you think contributes most to the objectively lower gun violence stats in Switzerland vs. U.S.? The Daily Show behind the scenes video mentions that the most fundamental difference between the two is "respect for guns", as opposed to "the law" or something equivalent - is that accurate, do ya think? Thanks.
Pretty much. It's a culture thing. Even pre-1999 when in most cantons there were few gun laws and people could carry whatever they liked, there was little gun violence. People who believe it's "the law" should think one step further and ask why then they think Switzerland pre-1999 was a super-violent place when it wasn't.
I'm unusually stressed by this whole video in how that tea is precariously perched.
Just found your channel and subscribed from watching forgotten weapons. Can you shoot on private land if you live out in the country. Thanks for putting out the informational videos for those of us in America who are just curious
In principle if the land is sufficiently fenced in and you've got enough of it (so you're super rich), in practice it's a risky business doing so cos what is/isn't allowed isn't well-defined at all. Plus there's the issues with noise abatement and shooting into the dirt.
@@BlokeontheRange thanks for replying I’m enjoying getting caught up on your videos. Keep up the great videos
Thanks! Glad you're enjoying them!
Unfortunately, no one who watches the daily show will watch this. They will digest what they have been told and blindly believe it.
The tea cosy dominates the video :)
New Zealand firearms laws have quite a lot of parallels with Swiss law, it seems. Interesting video!
Great job love it when people clearly state the facts and not conjecture.
Good God that was a great Video! Thanks for taking the time in the cold to explain all that!
Awesome as always. Not knowing what this episode was a going to be about, when I saw the Bloke & Chap sitting in winter gear in front of an English tea setup, I thought it was going to be a satire on the Canadian Doug & Bob Mckenzie sitting in front of a campfire drinking beer.
Just came here to say that the Chap's tea pouring technique is incredible. Didn't spill a drop!
At about the seventeen minute mark, you say the stupid questions are to catch people who are absurdly moronic. It's not, it's so that if they lie on it, they have commuted a crime in the US and can be prosecuted for it, and generally deported. It's not as stupid as people think.
I believe that some idiots have been caught out by it though...
@@BlokeontheRange yeah, but if they're that stupid, I don't think they could do much damage, other than to themselves.
@@BlokeontheRange crimes in other countries should not be an anchor everywhere on earth .
@@jesusoftheapes idk bud, if someone commits a rape or murder or burglary or anything similar...
@@gravygraves5112 If they go to prison and serve their time they should have paid their debt to society and have their rights restored . Taking away someone else's constitutional rights cannot be so easy to write off no matter what a person has done in life . To think that if any of them chose to go back to a life of crime that being a felon would stop them from using a gun is crazy anyways . As for rapists they should never get out of prison in the first place . Gun control does not keep criminals from using guns for crimes . If they are planning crime they will use a gun and will obtain a gun anyways they can . Most people do not use guns for crime .
Hi guys, i'm Swiss and i want to get into shooting sports but i'm a bit uncertain with the legal requirements and each gun shop seems tell me things just a bit differently... Is it still true that i can get a WES and a Ausnahmebewilligung klein before i know which gun want to acquire? Many thanks!
Yes. True.
@@BlokeontheRange Thanks so much for the swift reply!
Not a loss of time at all. As a fan in the United States, this is great and useful information.
I’m tetraplegic, have never even visited Switzerland and don’t shoot, but watched the entire video... very interesting!
Perhaps they're referring to the stipulations of open carrying guns unloaded and and without having loaded magazines, when they're referrring to strict open carry. In the United States the stipulation of open carrying 'unloaded' can simply mean not having a round chambered.
You guys rock and the topic is very important - will do some stuff about it too - so many misconceptions ;-)
Well, I watched to the end and I find this topic very interesting. The chances of me actually visiting Switzerland is nil, but I still like to hear how other countries handles firearms ownership, use and possession. I live in Washington state USA and our carry laws are looser than yours, however our background check is much more strict, which does also include a mental health "check". Though that part is only done on handgun sales and not long gun sales. I could sit over a pot of hot tea or coffee and discuss all day the pros and cons of various firearms laws. Great presentation, by the way; love the example firearms.
You read my mind! I was just wondering about Swiss gunlaws, I knew they were very interesting, thank you!
Thank you for doing this, y’all are amazing!
thank you gentlemen. I tried with many comment to debunk the "fake documentary.
I had never heard of this "Pocket ammuntion" taschenmuntitions? They do sound like a pretty good idea for like a militia and such I can see why they would use them.
I am APPALLED that you didn't prove the Stgw57 clear for the benefit of your viewers.
On a more serious note, would personal protection when working as security be one of the reasons you put in the 'reasons for acquisition if not sporting hunting or collecting' field of the WES? Or would such applications to carry be done on a different system and form? Maybe as you said it's there to catch out the people who might be stupid enough to put self defence in that field :p
Oh, nothing's stopping people putting "self-defence". But for someone acquiring *specifically* for carrying they could put that without worries.
Thanks for some REAL coverage on the laws in Switzerland! I hope the rest of the world sees the US "media" for what it is, and steers clear of its hysteria narrative, and it sounds like you guys are doing your part!
Thanks fellas!
Great video! Swiss law seems reasonable in most aspects. That musket early in the video was beautiful!!!
As strict as British gun laws are, as an American I find it interesting that there are deactivated guns Brits can own that would classified unregistered machine guns here due to the receiver being complete. So what component of a firearm actually constitutes the "firearm" in Switzerland?
Thanks - your question is answered in the pinned comment :)
@@BlokeontheRange I just noticed it ...thanks.
No reimbursement needed. Time well spent. Thank you.
The Daily Show have weak knowledge regarding firearms. Please do not judge the average American firearms owner by anything The Daily Show might have said.
They just judge american firearms owners based off of Demolition Ranch..... I kid I kid.... At least America still has Paul Harrel.
@@Lowlighttdo they even look at the 100s of gun channels?
@@blackbearwoodley no
Next you'll be telling me they've been lying to me all these years about swiss cheese, too.
How do you think they got all the holes in there??
Loved it. Watched it through and am intrigued...Might have to look up the viability of moving over ;)
Very informative thank you! Just came to do my own research after daily mail reposted their video yesterday
When I saw you guys carrying your own ammo I knew the ammo myth was one. I wonder who started it?
I survived! Actually really enjoyable :) no complaint about this type of content. More rants please! 🇬🇧
Agreed. (Have watched it through 2X now, some months apart).
But he is correct in that the subject seems to attract an exotic following from the USA. Strange, that.
Quick question, is it legal to own an AR/AK platform semiautomatic in Switzerland with the exemption permit or are those weapons outlawed?
TheGamerHillbilly ARs and AKs are just like any other semi-auto, you just need a perfectly normal purchase license.
In the US there is a requirement for background checks except in some states for private transfers. Additionally in some states there are courses that you must take and pass to get a permit to carry (particularly concealed). Some states do not have this requirement and it leads to odd reciprocity agreements on which states your permit is recognized in.
It's clear to me that the guys who wrote the law have no clue what they're talking about. They've watched too many action movies, that's the only explanation that makes sense. It's even more obvious when you look at the part about knives. Everybody knows that butterfly knives are so deadly, right? The bad guys in movies always have one, so it's evil and must be forbidden (no joke, they really are, like double edged knives, shurikens and many other things)
Canada's Firearm laws were written with a similar level of ineptitude. For example, the HK G11 is banned by name...even though it was long defunct by that time.
@@kw9849 AK: "terrorist weapon REEEEE"
Vz. 58: "never heard of her"
Politicians have a disease that makes tgem respond to police and media pressure, if something gets called dangerous or evil they'll ban it faster than you can blink unless something else stops them. British politicians have a particularly bad case.
@@Matt_The_Hugenot oi m8 show me ur knoif loicens roight now!
@@painovoimaton Don't get me started!
What is NEVER brought up with the comparison discussions between America and Switzerland is the categories of "shooting deaths" between the two. Switzerland, surprisingly, has a higher rate of suicide than the US. Like the US, most suicides are done with a firearm. Like the US, suicides account for the majority of gun deaths in both the US and Switzerland. The next bit that is different is number of gangs, and gang violence. The USA has more known criminal gangs, and unknown ones too, than most other countries. They are highly centralized into specific urban areas. Chicago, LA, and all the other known places. Gangs in the USA account for 99% of the REST of the gun deaths in USA after suicides. These are usually gang on gang violence as well. It is criminals killing criminals over turf to sell drugs. Switzerland has nothing like that to compare to. Now if anyone compares non-suicide, and non-gang gun shooting deaths between the USA and Switzerland the outcome is remarkably similar. There is very little at all. If you compare based on per capita of people between the countries and actual firearm ownership, the USA is far LESS that Switzerland. This is using the standard publish data by the major organizations from both countries. It's not hard to find. CDC, FBI, CIA World Fact-book, Swiss Federal Statistical Office, WHO, and other places has all the data to look at.
There is good comparisons that can be made between the USA and Swiss in terms of gun deaths. When looking at actual comparable data, the US actually has less rate than the Swiss. The USA does have more gang violence though that has more gun deaths in that category. However, majority of those deaths were by using STOLEN firearms. They weren't legally purchased firearms at all.
Finally guys, I laugh at how the Daily Show tries to state the Swiss having laws that aren't true, or trying to state where those which are true aren't here. Many of them are. For example, in the US, we have the SAME legal requirement to keep LOADED guns away from children if they aren't under direct supervision of an adult. Yes, the parents are held responsible if a kid gets a hold of their parents firearm and does something they shouldn't in the US. Assuming the firearm wasn't properly locked up. If the kid cracks a safe or something then the parents are off the hook for that. But basically it's the same law.
Gun-grabbing political hacks in the US are always trying to incorrectly compare Apples to Meteoroids to fit however they can erroneous statements to try to eventually ban guns in America.
Japan has a greater suicide rate than most anywhere, and guns are very rare there.
@@AshGreen359 Could you provide some info? I could have used it before
@@otherdalek worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/
I thought Japan was on top but looks like Russia is way worse, they have some really strict gun laws too though. Japan is most known for child suicide.
@@AshGreen359 Russian gun laws are not as strict as some people think. Check out this video for further details: ruclips.net/video/MBOxBo4P36A/видео.html
What are the ways for foreigners who are moving to Switzerland to own and buy guns, I ask this because I am considering moving to Switzerland depending on the who Coronavirus but that aside, I have a UK shotgun license would that allow me to own guns in Switzerland or would I have to wait the 5 years to become a permanent resident.
depends on the canton. Bern would likely recognise your SGC. The others, I don't know.
When you say the cut-off date for category 1 firearms in Switzerland is 1870, is that 1870 inclusive, or everything before 1870 but not during 1870? For example, the Smith & Wesson model 3 was made in 1869, while the Gasser Model 1870 was made in 1870. Is the latter a class 1 firearm in Switzerland, or not?
Flamin The law states “manufactured prior to 1870”.
Thank you, Chap!
Zimtsterne... mmmm. I zoned out three times in two minutes looking at them.
capajo02 Zimmestärn hanni gärn, Mailandeli auw 🎼
I really want to thank you for this! I don't like guns. I wasn't even very happy about my son keeping his air gun in our house or about the hunting shotgun his father kept in the barn. I'm from the U.S., but have lived in Denmark for most of my adult life. I was comparing Swiss gun laws with what I know of Danish gun laws. The basic premise for both countries seems to be that a gun is a tool for specific activities, like hunting; a requisite for a particular hobby, like shooting ranges, or a collector's item. I've calmed down a lot regarding guns. I appreciate your very thorough explanations.
My take-away is that it's not so much the laws about guns, it's the attitude toward them. I'm putting your video in my RUclips library as close to the two Daily Show videos as I can get it. Cheers!
Gay
As an American, this is depressing.
This is very chill and nice! I doubt I'll be needing these informations anytime soon given that I live in Japan and the world is on fire, but nonetheless it was interesting
Subsidized gun practice
Epic
Liked for Wehraboo joke. Good information!
So, a database, should they or some other entity decide that citizens not longer need firearms, they can knock on your door and remove them from your possession?
A detail on the markup for range-bought, federal ammunition :
The clubs buy the ammunition from the government for CHF 0.35. The clubs can markup a maximum of CHF 0.35. So a shooter will buy the ammunition for a price of CHF 0.35 - 0.70, depending on the club.
The clubs usually use the markup for target maintenance.
What about gun violence? I lived in Alaska which is a free carry state we had very little violence ( criminal elements) then in Florida with a little more stick laws and you see shootings every day... what is your point of view?
Macdelt Torres Gun crime is very low and limited to things like the odd traditional bank robbery with no casualties, I don’t hear anything about open gang violence, it would be naive to say it doesn’t happen but they certainly don’t blaze away in the streets. Whether carry policy has any strong influence is another matter, I suspect not, at least here.
Aside from no open carry Florida has very little in the way of gun laws
Very little gun violence in Alaska, except for a horrific suicide rate.
Sidenote: 60% of all firearm related deaths in the USA are ruled to be suicides.
@@siestatime4638 Accidental, self-defense, and police shootings are also included in the "Firearm Related Death's". Homicide committed with a firearm is actually quite low. A person is more likely to walk out their front and get beaten to death with either a hammer, baseball bat, or hands and feet than they are to be murdered with a firearm. As well as for suicide. Many suicides are committed with a firearm, however. The U.S. does not have a significantly higher suicide rate than other developed nations. So, "banning firearms" would not decrease the suicide rate.
You could file it under "Nothing ruins a good time more than other people." More people, more conflict? Plus it's humid as shit in FL and that must make people a bit touchy ;)
So far, 61 people find the truth doesn't support their biased narrative. Thanks for bringing the correct information!
Doug MacArthur If we analyze the comments, it seems the most likely that the dislikes are from people with short attention spans who can’t concentrate 45mins on a single subject 😉
>that feeling when Switzerland has better gun laws, a more homogeneous population and a cleaner environment than the US
Where did we go wrong as a country?
When most people reference the homogeneous society of Switzerland, they don’t mean the race or particular ethnicity of the immigrant or native Swiss citizen.
What most people mean are the core fundamentals and principles of the individual as a whole, no matter the ideology; you can be a communist but if you’re respectful, a well dressed, well groomed, well behaving citizen with intentions of learning the language and the way of life in the country, and most importantly, following the order and law of the country, there’s a high chance they’ll let you in
Puerto Rico on the other hand... it’s a mess
Man, I like the quick paperwork.
In Denmark I have been waiting for a permit for over 2 years now.... it is just an old bolt action with iron sights.
The Chap looks extremely Canadian, eh.
Ikr
I survived the whole video. Its rather interesting learning the differences from the free states of the US
Is anyone else having issues with the audio on the more recent BOTR videos? I have very little on the right channel and it sounds kinda scratchy. I've never noticed this before.
I didn't notice any l-r issues, but it was a bit 'blurry'.
Survived the whole video, and found it informative and entertaining! Thank-you.
I like that your background checks /criminal record declaration are valid for three months. I wish we could get that here in the US.
@Edohiguma and every time you purchase a boomstick in the US you have to get a background check. Every time. It would decrease paperwork.
In NH they submit your info to the police and wait on a phone call back.
@@itsfyeo1520 yeah, that'd save everyone a bunch of time. NICS isn't set up to process the amount that it does right now. I normally get instantly approved, but I've talked with people who almost always have to come back the next day because the approval process can drag on forever.
@@spartaninvirginia live in a free state and get a nics number. Voids the nics call.
@@spartaninvirginia the last pistol I picked up was money on the counter and I walked away with a gun.
Thank you for disseminating factual information, in a world of sensationalist drivel.
Even the camera is nodding in agreement...
Fantastic video! Just a couple of questions that weren't addressed in the video.
What parts legally constitute a firearm in Swiss law? I know that some countries have pressure bearing parts controlled as firearms, is that the case in Switzerland?
For exemption permit items, what are the commonly accepted reasons for ownership? I'd imagine that "all lawful purposes" wouldn't necessarily be accepted as a reason for ownership. What are the requirements to get an exemption permit? Are they "shall issue" or are they "may issue" provided you are not otherwise prohibited?
Thanks. Barrel, receiver, bolt, cylinder are the controlled parts. The requirements for an exemption permit vary by canton as we mentioned, usually it's "collecting" to varying degrees of stringency.
... which means "may issue".
@@BlokeontheRange If you have an aftermarket barrel or bolt on say an AR rifle. Do you need to jump through hoops to keep it legal?
@@milamber319 I built an AR-15 upper some months ago. I just needed to send to the seller a regular permit with 2 open positions (upper receiver and barrel).
If I wanted to change my bolt, I would need to get the same permit.
@@unclejack0000 seems simple enough. So do you need to tell them the serial numbers of all the combined pieces or do you just have a list of random parts under your name you can combine at will?