And where’s he going with this?? Discrediting every expert still leaves their client VERY exposed. They needed to go after Chad as some dominant demon that made her do this…or bust. They’re trying to defend a mother who signed the deed to her own children’s deaths, they still don’t seem to have a game plan. Just my 2 cents 🥸
She doesn’t even come close to meeting the 20 markers the FBI requires for comparison. She’s literally forcing the science to get the results she wants.
My little brother has a Master's in the same disapline as this young woman. I can attest from personal experience that those with minds such as theirs don't operate in the stratosphere as the rest of us. I recall many years ago trying to read his thesis, I gave up after the first page. I consider myself very intelligent but I was like a monkey in a Zoo. Dude it's obvious this woman is dumbing it down for you. You're taking a knife to a gun fight. Trust me.
Thanks for your comment. I hear you! I have a son who is a doctor of aerospace engineering. I have seen his “homework” for so many years and he lost me somewhere in high school. Serious difference from those who understand and those who don’t.
I love your whole gunfight explanation... She was running circles around him. I did however laugh when HE told her that it was confusing! Not for her it isn't! He's still flying around on THAT merry-go-round 😆
She is excellent. I was worried beforehand because I was hoping she was not like the DNA analyst that gave testimony during the Murdaugh case, the other on e was dry and hard to follow. Kudos 👍
Exactly! *Mad respect* for her intellect and demeanor on the stand. I’m almost jealous and envious because in another life, I think I’d wanna be in that field doing what she does, or something very similar. 😅 Fascinating!
really? how many cm did she test? was it hair or root? did she do the corresponding required microscopic examination? she got only 15 min of direct testimony. its usually takes 3 days just for foundation. there was no foundation bc none of my above Qs can be answered. that called railroading! thats unconstitutional. im a molecular biologist and today was the worst dna testimony ive ever seen in 25 yrs!
Keeley Coleman’s education and intelligence made Attorney Thomas’ questions even more ridiculous, if that were even possible. He is so inept I could even feel sorry for him except for the fact he is defending the most heinous and wicked human being on earth.
It seemed, he had a hard time understanding that for a person to be put in a database you need a collection /buccal sample, but a found sample can be compared.
I have always thought that it took 2 people to murder JJ in that manner. He was a strong little boy. He wouldn't have just sat there and let that be done to him. I believe one person held him down, which would explain the bruises on his arms. Then, the other person wrapped the duct tape around his face, hands and legs, and placed the bag over his head. I can only imagine how he would struggle not being able to breathe. They are ALL guilty of premeditated 1st degree murder. Chad and Lori should join Alex 6 feet under.
Exactly my thoughts.He fought. And I believe firmly Lory was there and part of it. That is why the hair is there. And I share your sentiment: she and Chad belong 6 foot down.
Reports are documented for a reason. It doesn't make sense that a witness has to testify from memory when it's been months or years and she has worked on 100s of specimens since then
I remember this from the Depp/Heard trial. I think it is because all notes and reports must be made available to opposing counsel before trial. Otherwise they could easily read off reports that were not made available if they just refer to hundreds of pages of information. I believe they can refer to and read any of their reports during their testimony, but they have to indicate exactly what document it is and have it brought up on a screen for both sides to see and check that they have copies of. It's so it remains fair for everyone. Hope that makes sense.
She put Lori there and the defense lawyer is pulling straws to discredit her. It didn’t work. He’s probably wishing about now that he regrets taking her case.
That's his plan. His questions help the prosecution more than Lori. She can get an appeal for lousy presentation from her attorney. Duh! How can a defense attorney with common sense defend her after hearing all the testimonies of so many people laying it on the line. This could be the first case that could try a dead man for murder. No way does he look like a loving uncle, he's as looney as she is. Unbelievable, it all came together for me, because of Brandon's dream, and Jj not there the next morning. BOOM 💥 (edit) -> Lori's hair sealed my original thoughts, because of the whole scene with Brandon's dream. They all knew what happened to Zombies, they were all scared of Alex. You wonder why Brandon went on the run?? He was there!!!
The fact that the hair was found on the outside of the bag is even more damning in my opinion. You could argue transference to JJ from a hair that was already there but how would her hair get on the actual bag unless she had been around it
@@googleuser2226 you are correct, she is up on conspiracy to commit. That is the same as murder. The hair was stuck on the tape around the bag on JJ. Its true that her hair could have been on the bag, but if that's the case this bag had to be at lori's home..and that night Melonie Gibb knocked on her bedroom door where her and JJ were supposed to be and no answer.
I don’t mind the defense questioning witnesses, but the way he tries to insult them is SO UNPROFESSIONAL!! Would someone PLEASE VERIFY HIS LAW CREDENTIALS.
Absolutely… 100% AGREE WITH YOU Paints a picture too why he is a defense attorney for a psycho woman who proceeds too show no emotions, giggles, whispering consistency in his ear… attention seekers Very fitting a cocky arrogant insecure defense attorney who must have received his lawyer degree out of cracker jack box I would probably be excused from this trial… would be difficult too keep my mouth shut 🤐
Boom. She can't talk her way out of this, her hair/DNA was on the tape she wrapped around JJ. She killed her son and daughter to be with a man that looks like a cartoon character.
Where the heck is he going with these questions? Maybe he should have done some research on DNA evidence. He’s taking apples and oranges and HE doesn’t even know it.
@@StellaJean1000 I wonder if its possible that he's putting on an act of being a moron, as the only way for Lori to get off, by her saying she didn't have a fair trial because of his incompetency.
@@Bluebel25blue I wondered that also. However, I believe I heard that because she did not sign off soon the speedy trial and wanted her trial asap, she had to sign a paper saying that she could not appeal on ineffective defense.
The finding of hair is virtually meaningless. Her hair could have been on JJ’s pajamas, on the plastic bag, in a vehicle or on a piece of furniture, and transferred to the tape.
@@AdaraBalabusta you should be a defense attorney- as you are absolutely correct. When the defense presents their case, they will be all over it. If they’re not, then they are incompetent as they should be able to rule it out pretty quickly.
It would only be relevant if her hair was found in someone else’s tape at someone else’s house. The fact that JJ lived with her makes the hair, almost meaningless. Consider how many hairs a person loses per day just in our house
@@AdaraBalabusta exactly, I have really long hair and it gets absolutely everywhere no matter how much I keep it up. Not to mention that the rest of the evidence is pointing out her guilt. I mean how stupid were they to just bury her children in Chad's backyard.
I think the biggest bombshell would have been fingerprints on the duct tape. I would think it's possible JJ could have had a hair from lori on his pajamas before he was murdered. Either way, lori was involved in murdering everyone.
She’s unshakable and brilliant! You’re a role model Keeley! I have my undergrad but I hope to be this competent and well spoken after I finish my masters! I’m going to relisten!! 💖❤
its not about talking. its about getting valid results! did you watch the news tonight? every news show called out this testimony as missing foundation. do you know how long the hair was? no. do you know how much of it was used? no. do you know if its touch dna? no. do you know if its transfer dna? no. this was a classic railroad job & every lawyer on tv called them out on it too.
dna takes 3 days of foundation usually. they gave her 13 minutes! thats how you know theyre railroading. evidence is not words. its testing & comparing, controlling for uncontrolled variables. did they look at the hair under a microscope? none us of know that! this is not how you define proof in a courtroom. its generalization propaganda!! how long was that hair?? i want to know. was there a root? no testimony. you cant have dna analysis w/o knowing the properties of the hair!! this is railroading. watch the news. the dna evidence was chewed up & spit out tonight.
do you know what mitochondrial dna is? hair doesnt even contain a double helix 🧬 bc theres only one set of chromosomes from the mother. none from father. so we know this is not hair dna! they lied! you cannot find any genetic dna inside a hair! it doesnt even exist in hair!!! its genetic dna from skin cells that come out w the root. did you hear testimony about that? NO! not a single mention about a root being present. wouldnt that be important to know before determining if the results are valid? hell yes!!
He’s trying to discredit her, but right off the bat talks about her fast-tracking through to her Masters degree. Basically reminding the jury how incredibly intelligent she is. 😂😂 He sounds like that annoying person in class that asks stupid questions over & over & the rest of us want to leave.
Very competent analyst. Knows her stuff & seems highly educated in her field. Thanks for updating us Nate! Love this series you’re doing for this case. So grateful for your time & devotion to these cases! Much appreciation for your family’s sacrifices that allow you to do such a great job!! They are all such a sweet family!💝
Sometimes, I think they know their client is shit.. it’s indefensible really.. conscience of guilt.. I couldn’t defend that, for no amount if money or fame.
@Gloria Hufnagel Right. I believe he knows Lori's guilty and isn't putting his best into defending her. In fact, he might be trying to make sure she's locked up for life.....
The way he keeps trying to rephrase his DNA testing questions it seems he trying to discredit her, but knows that's probably not possible, so I think he's just trying to confuse the jury about the scientific material. But all it's doing is making her look better and more positive about her results and making him look ridiculous. The prosecution's redirect helped clear up Thomas's muddling.
@@Firebird-dd3by If you haven’t listened to their opening statements, go listen to her lawyers. They know what they know but, get paid wether they win or not.
Defense is only trying to Confuse the jury with his questioning… thinking they are not intelligent enough to “get it”… the hair belongs to Lori end of his BS
He's tried that with other expert witnesses too, including the one where he said he was getting his thoughts from the movies, & the witness said "that's scary".
Unfortunately, he isn’t smart enough to know that long hair could’ve come from anywhere. Most people with wives and daughters know they will find these long hairs EVERYWHERE, especially in their laundry. They find it randomly when they’re taking a leak at work, stuck to their underwear…find it on tee shirts, socks, virtually everywhere. It’s a pretty easy piece of evidence to dismiss.
RIP TYLEE, JJ, TAMMY AND CHARLES…. Also, 10:24 starts her testimony about this case.. before is all her credentials and explanation of DNA & it’s analysis..
Omg..the miniscule bullshit these lawyers use to blur the juror’s brains is off the chain! This Ms. Coleman slayed them with her knowledge and confidence.
I believe Lori is 120% guilty and hope she's convicted. But I will say, that I have hair almost Lori's length and the roll of tape I use to wrap packages always has a piece or two of my hair in it and my dog's hair lol. That tape grabs everything.
Exactly, and I'm certain with the amount of hugs we give in our home, that 1 of my hair strands could be found on 1 of My kids clothes, coats, hats, etc. So if that's all it took to convict, I'd be nervous.
How did Melanie and her husband not hear JJ fighting and screaming? Her husband didn’t have a bad dream? You are going to wake someone up for a blessing because of a bad dream? Perfect way I guess to say you were home sleeping but say Lori wasn’t answering, implying she was gone. Who did she say would do the blessing? I can’t remember.
I believe the group gathered symbolically that evening in full knowledge of what was in store for JJ. I also believe that Zulema knew exactly what Alex meant when he said to her “I think Ive been their fall guy” - she reckons she didn’t understand but why would he say such a thing whilst the 2 missing children are international news. A few people appear to be getting away with conspiracy to murder.
I remember they said JJ was upset and Chad took him upstairs - he then after came back with red scratched neck. I bet Chad could tape JJ right away in his bedroom - the boy was already screaming... I hope they extracted some DNA from JJ's nails...
@@cindykrueger3663 that’s what I thought. Why would Chad be in Lori’s bedroom? This was before his wife died correct? Why would Chad be staying the night at Lori’s? Am I missing something here?
Does anyone else think the Defense has just spoken jargon with Kelley that did nothing for the defence and much for Prosecution? He garbled for 10 minutes or more and got absolutely nowhere IMO?
The first thing I’m gonna argue, if I’m the defense, is that the hair was already stuck on the duct tape because it was taken from Lori’s home by Alex and Lori had no idea that it was taken. Yet Lori’s defense is picking apart the witnesses education and proficiency? Really?
This is not the witness to argue with about where the hair was found. That is not in her purview of experience and expertise, so the defense trying to bring that up with her would be like arguing with a beer vendor about why a pitcher threw a curve ball…totally irrelevant argument.
The way the prosecution was going on and on and on by the end of this testimony I couldn't be more convinced of that their mother did this and that she was present when these horrible things happened he just stay low-key he probably would have helped his case a lot more but that's alright the truth has no deadline women testifying she is so intelligent so eloquent certainly the best person for this job thank you to this woman ❤
If the same roll of tape was used for wrapping JJ as binding his arms and legs then this sample would be deeper in the roll of tape and therefore very unlikely that the hair got there from the environment
I was finding my hair stick on the tape rolls - on the sides, they are sticky. If stuck this way, hair might get to the scene at a random moment - not necessarily be in the very first piece of a tape...
Thomas always acts like expert witnesses come in and lie about their education and accreditation. I guess he just can't think of any intelligent questions to ask.
I dont know, my family always complains my hair is everywhere. Im surprised Im not bald. My hair will end up on my sons clothes, the bathroom floor, and sometimes in his food . a person that has long hair that puts their hair up in a ponytail will have hair laying around everywhere. It just means that JJ lived with her.
This is just another piece of evidence to add to the rest . Which is good news. But you couldn’t be convicted on this alone as they lived in the same environment. Unfortunately!!
What is shocking to me is that Lori has not asked about a plea deal. A preponderance of evidence makes that deal extremely unlikely. If she wanted to lower her sentence, now is the last chance to change her plea to guilty. Could she do that? Hmm..
She could change her plea at any time. But I think when you're faced with the certainty of life in prison, versus the chance, however slim, of being acquitted, you're going to go for the chance of being acquitted.
Why does the defense have a right to look it over before she never had a chance to testify against the evil mother who was a big part like chad and her brother they both took advatage of her brother think lori killed her brother to keep him from telling the whole truth about these two.
I’ve been thinking and Lori claims everyone is just scared of the celestial world. That’s why I think she believed it was fine for her kids to me killed. She believed they were safe bc they had gone to heaven. She told everyone who asked her where the children were that they were happy and safe. She was absolutely delusional (obviously.) but, if she’s so geared up and ready for heaven why does she go out of her way NOT to die herself. She claimed her family and others were after her when she was in hiding and trying to kill her. Why not just let them kill you then? If you’re so ready for the celestial world then just let it happen. Not sure what her beliefs on suicide are. She may think that if she kills herself she won’t get into heaven. It’s just all so ridiculous and not an ounce of it holds up under examination and contemplation. If she believed her children were better off in heaven bc they were taken over by a dark spirit did they deserve to suffer so harshly when they were murdered viciously? It’s of note that not one person who agreed with her and was on her side was “dark spirited.” Once you started questioning her and try to have some accountability you became “dark.” It’s hard not to say she doesn’t have a severe mental disorder. I mean really… HOW can you believe this load of bs and not be sick. Maybe one reason is bc she had people like her brother, Melanie, Melanie G, Zeluma, and others buying into her bs completely. I don’t think that helped that they went along with all those teaching and encouraged this behavior. If no one but your crazy new husband is buying into what you are saying you may question things a bit more than she did. Who knows 🤷♀️ we probably will never understand fully. I have to also note… I heard someone talking about how getting to these theories and teachings were not so far reached as everyone seems to think. The LDS teachings arent perfect and the church doesn’t condemn or try to stop these people. They just try to ignore it. Why do alot of these crazy situations happen with LDS church? Not saying they are all bad (I don’t know enough personally.) It just seems that some of the wildest religious stances and atrocities have been by LDS members. Something to ponder.
I think she was ok with killings because she believed their shouls are already away - this is why it was ok to kill them so badly... But she herself was not dark - and therefore has no need to die. I also think she was annoyed by her kids and was over being a mom. So the new ideology just entered to an already prepared mind. She found the reason for herself. And she is a goddesss - so she cannot be wrong.
@@mariampogosova8295 poor jj suffered so bad when he was murdered. This is so sad. We don’t know how Tylee died but I’m sure she suffered as well or was shot then dismembered
One might expect to find one of Lori’s hairs on the inside of the plastic bag, stuck to JJ’s clothing. But to find the only hair found stuck to the tape on outside of the plastic bag? That’s rather damning.
Defense seems to have never been taught respect for people of expert qualifications after he has questioned them. He just keeps trying to discreet them.
I'm finding it confusing that some witnesses are allowed to read from notes & others are told to close their notes after referring to them. Can anyone explain? Hopefully I'm not mixing up trials coz of course I'm watching the Stauch trail also
The defense reminded me of John Goodmans role in the Big Lebowski. I can just picture him yelling at the defense, "Sit down Johnny! Youre out of your element!!" 🤣🤣
I want to be Keeley! I don't want to be the defense attorney who needs to seriously blow his nose! Sniff-Sniff Defense seems to have more knowledge than every professional he's questioned?
Really wish this was televised-would love to watch this lady. Genius.
Same. 😊
Literally was going to comment this.
Me too. Thank the LDS church lawyers for that!😒 and we shouldn't tax them because???
Amen
@@h.r.9563 why don’t you tax then. Are they Devine 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The way the defense atty tries to diminish the expert’s training and education is so cringe.
Seriously. They should have just passed on this cross examination. He comes across like a total assclown!
In my opinion he is rude and arrogant, wonder if he was a bully when he was younger
Wouldn't we all like to get him on the stand and knock him down a few notches ... and his expertise training via watching movies
Leah About as cringy as your face
“What’s that about?” What kind of question was that!?
Can't believe this man is trying to discredit DNA analysis. Where did HE go to school
Maybe he is trying to learn as much as he can so he can get his Masters degree as quickly as she did. She’s incredibly intelligent, he isn’t.
And where’s he going with this?? Discrediting every expert still leaves their client VERY exposed. They needed to go after Chad as some dominant demon that made her do this…or bust. They’re trying to defend a mother who signed the deed to her own children’s deaths, they still don’t seem to have a game plan. Just my 2 cents 🥸
He's not an expert witness!
Rhat should not be allowed to have different dna analysis.
She doesn’t even come close to meeting the 20 markers the FBI requires for comparison. She’s literally forcing the science to get the results she wants.
My little brother has a Master's in the same disapline as this young woman. I can attest from personal experience that those with minds such as theirs don't operate in the stratosphere as the rest of us. I recall many years ago trying to read his thesis, I gave up after the first page. I consider myself very intelligent but I was like a monkey in a Zoo. Dude it's obvious this woman is dumbing it down for you. You're taking a knife to a gun fight. Trust me.
@lala thank you for your very informative and interesting comment!
Thanks for your comment. I hear you! I have a son who is a doctor of aerospace engineering. I have seen his “homework” for so many years and he lost me somewhere in high school. Serious difference from those who understand and those who don’t.
I love your whole gunfight explanation... She was running circles around him. I did however laugh when HE told her that it was confusing! Not for her it isn't! He's still flying around on THAT merry-go-round 😆
Dang…she doesn’t stutter, nor could her competence ever be questioned. She is a scientific professional through-and-through.
And..she's a robot
Right?? Meanwhile the defense was the opposite 😂
She is excellent. I was worried beforehand because I was hoping she was not like the DNA analyst that gave testimony during the Murdaugh case, the other on e was dry and hard to follow.
Kudos 👍
Such a great competent person whom takes her job seriously. Well done. 😊
My goodness, Keeley has a brain like a
computer. Each explanation was succinct and efficient. Very impressed with her credentials!
Wow! Keeley is amazing!
Exactly! *Mad respect* for her intellect and demeanor on the stand. I’m almost jealous and envious because in another life, I think I’d wanna be in that field doing what she does, or something very similar. 😅 Fascinating!
I agree this Kelsey is amazing
really? how many cm did she test? was it hair or root? did she do the corresponding required microscopic examination? she got only 15 min of direct testimony. its usually takes 3 days just for foundation. there was no foundation bc none of my above Qs can be answered. that called railroading! thats unconstitutional. im a molecular biologist and today was the worst dna testimony ive ever seen in 25 yrs!
Lll
I love how the defense does not know what he is talking about, yet is trying to discredit her 🤦♀️
Keeley Coleman’s education and intelligence made Attorney Thomas’ questions even more ridiculous, if that were even possible. He is so inept I could even feel sorry for him except for the fact he is defending the most heinous and wicked human being on earth.
It seemed, he had a hard time understanding that for a person to be put in a database you need a collection /buccal sample, but a found sample can be compared.
Exactly what I thought
I can’t even believe he crossed! Whata dummy it’s so entertaining!
I have always thought that it took 2 people to murder JJ in that manner. He was a strong little boy. He wouldn't have just sat there and let that be done to him. I believe one person held him down, which would explain the bruises on his arms. Then, the other person wrapped the duct tape around his face, hands and legs, and placed the bag over his head. I can only imagine how he would struggle not being able to breathe. They are ALL guilty of premeditated 1st degree murder. Chad and Lori should join Alex 6 feet under.
There was GBH (date rape drug) found in his remains, so maybe he was drugged first.
Oh that’s so horrible to think of. I’ve assumed that he was knocked out or heavily sedated.
@Shari Meline If he was knocked out or drugged, they wouldn't have needed to duct tape his hands and legs. He fought them.
Didn't Alex walk into house with JJ asleep on his shoulder, I'd imagine he was at least drowsy when they done started to kill him .
Exactly my thoughts.He fought. And I believe firmly Lory was there and part of it. That is why the hair is there.
And I share your sentiment: she and Chad belong 6 foot down.
Reports are documented for a reason. It doesn't make sense that a witness has to testify from memory when it's been months or years and she has worked on 100s of specimens since then
I remember this from the Depp/Heard trial. I think it is because all notes and reports must be made available to opposing counsel before trial. Otherwise they could easily read off reports that were not made available if they just refer to hundreds of pages of information. I believe they can refer to and read any of their reports during their testimony, but they have to indicate exactly what document it is and have it brought up on a screen for both sides to see and check that they have copies of. It's so it remains fair for everyone. Hope that makes sense.
I agree. Wonder why the lawyer in both cases can't rely on their memories.
She put Lori there and the defense lawyer is pulling straws to discredit her. It didn’t work. He’s probably wishing about now that he regrets taking her case.
That's his plan. His questions help the prosecution more than Lori. She can get an appeal for lousy presentation from her attorney. Duh! How can a defense attorney with common sense defend her after hearing all the testimonies of so many people laying it on the line. This could be the first case that could try a dead man for murder. No way does he look like a loving uncle, he's as looney as she is. Unbelievable, it all came together for me, because of Brandon's dream, and Jj not there the next morning. BOOM 💥 (edit) -> Lori's hair sealed my original thoughts, because of the whole scene with Brandon's dream. They all knew what happened to Zombies, they were all scared of Alex. You wonder why Brandon went on the run?? He was there!!!
@Leena Wexler Yes, agree that's what happened.
Trisha, i agree 100%!
The fact that the hair was found on the outside of the bag is even more damning in my opinion. You could argue transference to JJ from a hair that was already there but how would her hair get on the actual bag unless she had been around it
They’ve got direct evidence. She’s done.
Dirty mom how could u do this?
@Leena Wexler she doesn’t have to be there to be guilty.
@@googleuser2226 you are correct, she is up on conspiracy to commit. That is the same as murder. The hair was stuck on the tape around the bag on JJ. Its true that her hair could have been on the bag, but if that's the case this bag had to be at lori's home..and that night Melonie Gibb knocked on her bedroom door where her and JJ were supposed to be and no answer.
Lori’s attorney is cracking me up 😂 don’t go against a DNA analyst lol!
I don’t mind the defense questioning witnesses, but the way he tries to insult them is SO UNPROFESSIONAL!! Would someone PLEASE VERIFY HIS LAW CREDENTIALS.
Amen!
...wheres some duct tape
Absolutely… 100% AGREE WITH YOU
Paints a picture too why he is a defense attorney for a psycho woman who proceeds too show no emotions, giggles, whispering consistency in his ear… attention seekers
Very fitting a cocky arrogant insecure defense attorney who must have received his lawyer degree out of cracker jack box
I would probably be excused from this trial… would be difficult too keep my mouth shut 🤐
😂😂😂😂😂
@@ceceliajarvis1138 lmao
Boom. She can't talk her way out of this, her hair/DNA was on the tape she wrapped around JJ. She killed her son and daughter to be with a man that looks like a cartoon character.
The way the defense is GRASPING at straws…made them look even worse 😂
Keeley Coleman seems a brilliant lady.👍👍👍. Her parents must be very proud.
The defense questioning is painful to listen to. Thank you Keeley for all your hard work!
Where the heck is he going with these questions? Maybe he should have done some research on DNA evidence. He’s taking apples and oranges and HE doesn’t even know it.
@@StellaJean1000 I wonder if its possible that he's putting on an act of being a moron, as the only way for Lori to get off, by her saying she didn't have a fair trial because of his incompetency.
@@Bluebel25blue I wondered that also. However, I believe I heard that because she did not sign off soon the speedy trial and wanted her trial asap, she had to sign a paper saying that she could not appeal on ineffective defense.
@@joanclaytonjohnson3630 Ah, thanks. I'm pleased about that.
Ms Coleman was impressive today … I loved how she walked in and out of the courtroom head held high with complete confidence ❤❤❤
Wow. The hair that partially gave her her “fame” was her undoing! The irony is beautiful.
The finding of hair is virtually meaningless. Her hair could have been on JJ’s pajamas, on the plastic bag, in a vehicle or on a piece of furniture, and transferred to the tape.
@@AdaraBalabusta you should be a defense attorney- as you are absolutely correct. When the defense presents their case, they will be all over it. If they’re not, then they are incompetent as they should be able to rule it out pretty quickly.
@@AdaraBalabusta
Agree. However it certainly looks like poetic justice even if she wasn't physically involved with their murders.
It would only be relevant if her hair was found in someone else’s tape at someone else’s house. The fact that JJ lived with her makes the hair, almost meaningless. Consider how many hairs a person loses per day just in our house
@@AdaraBalabusta exactly, I have really long hair and it gets absolutely everywhere no matter how much I keep it up. Not to mention that the rest of the evidence is pointing out her guilt. I mean how stupid were they to just bury her children in Chad's backyard.
I think the biggest bombshell would have been fingerprints on the duct tape. I would think it's possible JJ could have had a hair from lori on his pajamas before he was murdered. Either way, lori was involved in murdering everyone.
Yes, but the hair does provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt IMO. that's all they need, a doubt.
@@nataliesharif7543 true.
The defense attorney always questions the expert’s education bc that’s all he has 🙄
She’s unshakable and brilliant! You’re a role model Keeley! I have my undergrad but I hope to be this competent and well spoken after I finish my masters! I’m going to relisten!! 💖❤
This isn’t about you 😢
its not about talking. its about getting valid results! did you watch the news tonight? every news show called out this testimony as missing foundation. do you know how long the hair was? no. do you know how much of it was used? no. do you know if its touch dna? no. do you know if its transfer dna? no. this was a classic railroad job & every lawyer on tv called them out on it too.
dna takes 3 days of foundation usually. they gave her 13 minutes! thats how you know theyre railroading. evidence is not words. its testing & comparing, controlling for uncontrolled variables. did they look at the hair under a microscope? none us of know that! this is not how you define proof in a courtroom. its generalization propaganda!! how long was that hair?? i want to know. was there a root? no testimony. you cant have dna analysis w/o knowing the properties of the hair!! this is railroading. watch the news. the dna evidence was chewed up & spit out tonight.
do you know what mitochondrial dna is? hair doesnt even contain a double helix 🧬 bc theres only one set of chromosomes from the mother. none from father. so we know this is not hair dna! they
lied! you cannot find any genetic dna inside a hair! it doesnt even exist in hair!!! its genetic dna from skin cells that come out w the root. did you hear testimony about that? NO! not a single mention about a root being present. wouldnt that be important to know before determining if the results are valid? hell yes!!
I wish you well in future ❤
Wow! Ms. Coleman blew it out of the water.
I realize the defense atty isn't happy, but the nasty tone just makes the jury dislike him.
He’s trying to discredit her, but right off the bat talks about her fast-tracking through to her Masters degree. Basically reminding the jury how incredibly intelligent she is. 😂😂
He sounds like that annoying person in class that asks stupid questions over & over & the rest of us want to leave.
You are doing the best job covering this horrible disaster called Lori. I caught you live finally. Great job! Bravo
I can barely stand to hear LV’s attorney talk. 🙄 he’s a joke
Very competent analyst. Knows her stuff & seems highly educated in her field. Thanks for updating us Nate! Love this series you’re doing for this case. So grateful for your time & devotion to these cases! Much appreciation for your family’s sacrifices that allow you to do such a great job!! They are all such a sweet family!💝
It seems like he was just trying to confuse the jury.
Keeley is one very smart young lady. She was awesome!!
Maybe if Mr Thomas was as good an attorney as Ms Coleman was a DNA analyst, things would be going better for him.
Sometimes, I think they know their client is shit.. it’s indefensible really.. conscience of guilt.. I couldn’t defend that, for no amount if money or fame.
Zing! Good one.
@Gloria Hufnagel Right. I believe he knows Lori's guilty and isn't putting his best into defending her.
In fact, he might be trying to make sure she's locked up for life.....
The way he keeps trying to rephrase his DNA testing questions it seems he trying to discredit her, but knows that's probably not possible, so I think he's just trying to confuse the jury about the scientific material. But all it's doing is making her look better and more positive about her results and making him look ridiculous. The prosecution's redirect helped clear up Thomas's muddling.
@@Firebird-dd3by If you haven’t listened to their opening statements, go listen to her lawyers. They know what they know but, get paid wether they win or not.
Defense is only trying to Confuse the jury with his questioning… thinking they are not intelligent enough to “get it”… the hair belongs to Lori end of his BS
Where did this cocky arrogant defense attorney get his degree??? Degrading this young lady’s credibility,her credentials is despicable ..
He's tried that with other expert witnesses too, including the one where he said he was getting his thoughts from the movies, & the witness said "that's scary".
@@MissJensk1 which witness? I’m catching up
@@martmeliJMJT I think it was medical examiner. Anyway, defense attorneys don't have the rep they have for no reason.
Just catching up on this testimony. What a huge bombshell!!Keeley Coleman is amazing & so well educated.
I doubt greatly that the hair being on that tape that wrapped JJ’s body is just a coincidence!!! 🙄
Defense attorney always sounds like Chris Farley.
So right! One time I thought the next thing he's going to say is... I live in a van down by the river! 😂 One smile in a sea of tears.
Larry was pretty excited about this update
Lori's hair -Under the duct tape around JJ.
Unfortunately, he isn’t smart enough to know that long hair could’ve come from anywhere. Most people with wives and daughters know they will find these long hairs EVERYWHERE, especially in their laundry. They find it randomly when they’re taking a leak at work, stuck to their underwear…find it on tee shirts, socks, virtually everywhere. It’s a pretty easy piece of evidence to dismiss.
RIP TYLEE, JJ, TAMMY AND CHARLES…. Also, 10:24 starts her testimony about this case.. before is all her credentials and explanation of DNA & it’s analysis..
Thank you
TY
A very articulate young woman.
This Kellsey Person is amazingly brilliant. Wow such credentials.
The defense stuttering over asking state witness about DNA genonomes, uhhh.. .uhhhh
The defense is asking ridiculous questions, taking the evidence in circles. This is where they lose the jury. Too bad they can't figure that out.
I can think of a lot of questions the defense didn't ask here. They must be going for ineffective counsel
POS attorney is going to fall on his sword to help his client get an appeal. There should be a firing squad for him.
I was wondering that myself. Otherwise, his incompetence is phenomenal.
Omg..the miniscule bullshit these lawyers use to blur the juror’s brains is off the chain! This Ms. Coleman slayed them with her knowledge and confidence.
Thanks for posting this testimony ❤
Bye Lori.
WELL SAID! GOODBYE LORI NOREEN! LOL. SHE IS COOKED!
Addios Amiga
I am ready for the verdict!
I believe Lori is 120% guilty and hope she's convicted. But I will say, that I have hair almost Lori's length and the roll of tape I use to wrap packages always has a piece or two of my hair in it and my dog's hair lol. That tape grabs everything.
Yep. I have long hair, too, and it is all over my home, car, workplace, etc.
Same here! My family is always complaining about my hair everywhere
Me, too! I have long thick hair and it's EVERYWHERE!!
I have long hair and it all over my house
Exactly, and I'm certain with the amount of hugs we give in our home, that 1 of my hair strands could be found on 1 of My kids clothes, coats, hats, etc. So if that's all it took to convict, I'd be nervous.
How did Melanie and her husband not hear JJ fighting and screaming? Her husband didn’t have a bad dream? You are going to wake someone up for a blessing because of a bad dream? Perfect way I guess to say you were home sleeping but say Lori wasn’t answering, implying she was gone. Who did she say would do the blessing? I can’t remember.
Chad
I believe the group gathered symbolically that evening in full knowledge of what was in store for JJ. I also believe that Zulema knew exactly what Alex meant when he said to her “I think Ive been their fall guy” - she reckons she didn’t understand but why would he say such a thing whilst the 2 missing children are international news. A few people appear to be getting away with conspiracy to murder.
I remember they said JJ was upset and Chad took him upstairs - he then after came back with red scratched neck. I bet Chad could tape JJ right away in his bedroom - the boy was already screaming... I hope they extracted some DNA from JJ's nails...
@@cindykrueger3663 that’s what I thought. Why would Chad be in Lori’s bedroom? This was before his wife died correct? Why would Chad be staying the night at Lori’s? Am I missing something here?
John Thomas “it’s really confusing so…” Keeley isn’t confusing… John Thomas is making it confusing.
My exact thought when he said that!
It helps to stack on top of all the rest to give no reasonable doubt
Does anyone else think the Defense has just spoken jargon with Kelley that did nothing for the defence and much for Prosecution? He garbled for 10 minutes or more and got absolutely nowhere IMO?
Kelley is a very intelligent, articulate and well educated analyst!
This is great news!
Lori’s defense tactics of trying to play down professionals credentials and trying to discredit DNA was not affective for me.
Defense attorney just making up his own science
It's probably from a movie he's seen.
It's because he really doesn't understand her excellent testimony. He might as well stand there and say Duh!
The first thing I’m gonna argue, if I’m the defense, is that the hair was already stuck on the duct tape because it was taken from Lori’s home by Alex and Lori had no idea that it was taken. Yet Lori’s defense is picking apart the witnesses education and proficiency? Really?
This is not the witness to argue with about where the hair was found. That is not in her purview of experience and expertise, so the defense trying to bring that up with her would be like arguing with a beer vendor about why a pitcher threw a curve ball…totally irrelevant argument.
John Thomas failed his science lesson today
Now I wonder what they got on chad for evidence.... they both deserve the death penalty for what they did to everyone.
The way the prosecution was going on and on and on by the end of this testimony I couldn't be more convinced of that their mother did this and that she was present when these horrible things happened he just stay low-key he probably would have helped his case a lot more but that's alright the truth has no deadline women testifying she is so intelligent so eloquent certainly the best person for this job thank you to this woman ❤
If the same roll of tape was used for wrapping JJ as binding his arms and legs then this sample would be deeper in the roll of tape and therefore very unlikely that the hair got there from the environment
That's an interesting point
I was finding my hair stick on the tape rolls - on the sides, they are sticky. If stuck this way, hair might get to the scene at a random moment - not necessarily be in the very first piece of a tape...
Defense cross was PATHETIC! As usual. He’s a smart ass and surely he must irritate the jury as much as he irritates the rest of us.
Defense is trying to sound like he knows what he is talking about. Lol
Yes, I thought that also. I couldn’t understand why it matter if she ever was given a “blind” test or not. It has been shown that she knows her stuff.
Thomas always acts like expert witnesses come in and lie about their education and accreditation. I guess he just can't think of any intelligent questions to ask.
I dont know, my family always complains my hair is everywhere. Im surprised Im not bald. My hair will end up on my sons clothes, the bathroom floor, and sometimes in his food . a person that has long hair that puts their hair up in a ponytail will have hair laying around everywhere. It just means that JJ lived with her.
Came here to say this. The house, the car, everywhere.
Probably came off her Alex … they did have a very intimate relationship
This is just another piece of evidence to add to the rest . Which is good news. But you couldn’t be convicted on this alone as they lived in the same environment. Unfortunately!!
The prosecution is being so thorough in presenting evidence, the defense has nothing to rebut.
Lori is sunk. About time.
She is done! That’s the nail in the coffin!
Great redirect, and great over rules to futile defense objections
The defense talk as if they have chronic fatigue. Always so monotone.
Smart woman!
This day is the J.J'S REVENGE 💪
What is shocking to me is that Lori has not asked about a plea deal. A preponderance of evidence makes that deal extremely unlikely. If she wanted to lower her sentence, now is the last chance to change her plea to guilty. Could she do that? Hmm..
They don't typically do another plea deal once you opt for and go to trial.
She could stop the trial and plead guilty but it wouldn't save her. She is toast.
My understanding is 1) Her lawyers were once heard to whisper things are going good and 2) Narcissists have a hard time admitting loss.
I think Chad and her are planning on suicide in prison
She could change her plea at any time. But I think when you're faced with the certainty of life in prison, versus the chance, however slim, of being acquitted, you're going to go for the chance of being acquitted.
I hate when the defense strategy is to confuse the jury. They are not stupid.
I have always said the Lori and Chad killed the children and Alex did the clean up.
The witness audio is destroying my ears.... static.... audio from the attorneys is great
🎉 excellent witness, well done! ❤
Very intelligent girl way to go
Why does the defense have a right to look it over before she never had a chance to testify against the evil mother who was a big part like chad and her brother they both took advatage of her brother think lori killed her brother to keep him from telling the whole truth about these two.
Would've paid good money to see Lori's facial expression when she heard about the hair
Nate Eaton said she had no expression…same as every other day.
Pretty sure she knows everything that will be in trial. Her lawyers have all the discovery a long time ago.
Does the defense lawyer know anything about DNA testing?
aa another mentioned, he's got his own DNA science lol
He is so condescending to every witness.
From what he sees in the movies 😂
I’ve been thinking and Lori claims everyone is just scared of the celestial world. That’s why I think she believed it was fine for her kids to me killed. She believed they were safe bc they had gone to heaven. She told everyone who asked her where the children were that they were happy and safe. She was absolutely delusional (obviously.) but, if she’s so geared up and ready for heaven why does she go out of her way NOT to die herself. She claimed her family and others were after her when she was in hiding and trying to kill her. Why not just let them kill you then? If you’re so ready for the celestial world then just let it happen. Not sure what her beliefs on suicide are. She may think that if she kills herself she won’t get into heaven. It’s just all so ridiculous and not an ounce of it holds up under examination and contemplation. If she believed her children were better off in heaven bc they were taken over by a dark spirit did they deserve to suffer so harshly when they were murdered viciously?
It’s of note that not one person who agreed with her and was on her side was “dark spirited.” Once you started questioning her and try to have some accountability you became “dark.” It’s hard not to say she doesn’t have a severe mental disorder. I mean really… HOW can you believe this load of bs and not be sick. Maybe one reason is bc she had people like her brother, Melanie, Melanie G, Zeluma, and others buying into her bs completely. I don’t think that helped that they went along with all those teaching and encouraged this behavior. If no one but your crazy new husband is buying into what you are saying you may question things a bit more than she did. Who knows 🤷♀️ we probably will never understand fully.
I have to also note… I heard someone talking about how getting to these theories and teachings were not so far reached as everyone seems to think. The LDS teachings arent perfect and the church doesn’t condemn or try to stop these people. They just try to ignore it. Why do alot of these crazy situations happen with LDS church? Not saying they are all bad (I don’t know enough personally.) It just seems that some of the wildest religious stances and atrocities have been by LDS members. Something to ponder.
I thought this too. Reminded me of Andrea Yates.
I think she was ok with killings because she believed their shouls are already away - this is why it was ok to kill them so badly... But she herself was not dark - and therefore has no need to die. I also think she was annoyed by her kids and was over being a mom. So the new ideology just entered to an already prepared mind. She found the reason for herself. And she is a goddesss - so she cannot be wrong.
@@mariampogosova8295 poor jj suffered so bad when he was murdered. This is so sad. We don’t know how Tylee died but I’m sure she suffered as well or was shot then dismembered
This defence attorney is getting on my nerves this young lady is smart we qll no that dna is accurate
he's really tryna challenge the validity of DNA evidence lmao
Me too😂
I thought it was interesting that Melanie Gibb’s DNA was checked against the hair on the tape!
Did he ask if these proficiency tests was for a club?
One might expect to find one of Lori’s hairs on the inside of the plastic bag, stuck to JJ’s clothing. But to find the only hair found stuck to the tape on outside of the plastic bag? That’s rather damning.
I agree!
She is thorough
Defense seems to have never been taught respect for people of expert qualifications after he has questioned them. He just keeps trying to discreet them.
I hope this seals the deal and Lori never sees daylight again!!
First comment 🎉 love your work!!
Kelley is very impressive.
Thank you! I’ve been waiting! ❤
I'm finding it confusing that some witnesses are allowed to read from notes & others are told to close their notes after referring to them. Can anyone explain?
Hopefully I'm not mixing up trials coz of course I'm watching the Stauch trail also
I was wondering this, too
She’s brilliant,
The defense reminded me of John Goodmans role in the Big Lebowski. I can just picture him yelling at the defense, "Sit down Johnny! Youre out of your element!!" 🤣🤣
I want to be Keeley!
I don't want to be the defense attorney who needs to seriously blow his nose! Sniff-Sniff
Defense seems to have more knowledge than every professional he's questioned?
Oh my this is just amazing. 😢
Over my head! Looking forward to more on this. Lori’s hair could be found on Chad or Alex.