I don't think she survived the end of the first movie. It always looked to me like that kick broke her neck, and assumed that was why they made a prequel instead of a sequel.
The backstory cut from the scripts make her actions and behavior toward father figures make a lot of sense. Abuse victims often have their love schemas broken by the abuse and that can permanently alter the way they pursue romantic love
Don't forget about the Nicolas Barclay case where that guy said he was him and was taken to France and that's why he spoke with an accent and had his eye color chemically altered and the family seriously just took this dude in.
I think adults who look like Children scare us because children can already be terrifyingly without years and years of being trapped in one body, with festering anger
My daughter did this when she was a baby. She started giggling and looking shy at ? while looking over my shoulder. I froze and then slowly turned around and nothing was there. I think someone from beyond, showed him/herself and smiled at my daughter. It only happened that one time, thank God.
As an Estonian its quite obvious that there were no estonians on the production team, there are details that dont make sense, Leenas estonian is horrible I had to listen to her speaking estonian several times to make out what she was saying and the only reason i understood what she was saying was thanks to the translated subtitles in the video.
I suspect an Estonian background was picked because there would be a lot fewer people to offend, or raise any red flags. Fewer people to spot the laziness means they could get away with putting their budget into things other than making it accurate. Every time I see my neck of the world through the lenses of someone who clearly knows nothing about it, I like to pretend it's a parallel world version where that would make sense, and that is the odd accent we're all accustomed to, and we would build a house like that, and that is how the weather works at that time of year, and that highly-specific object that the film-maker didn't realize is a regional thing where he's shooting is also common here.
Ha ha, guys...very (not) funny. 🙄 Everyone knows "Estonia" is a fictional country, and it's just one of those places "that sound Eastern European" which lazy, close minded writers have used in movies and other media forever. I failed geography 7 times because I refused to believe that Genovia (from The Princess Diaries) was not a real place. Other examples include these: Latkovia (home of Dr. Doom), "Kazakhstan" (from the movie "Borat"), but probably the most famous fictional country ever is "Transylvania", which is, of course, the home of Dracula, Wolfman Jack, Frankenstein, The Mummy, and Dr. Frankenfurter. Tbh, I find it a bit bigoted to not use real names of real countries but instead just slap on an "-onia" or "atvia" to some gibberish as a replacement. Hollywood needs to stop trying to confuse all of us with this foolishness, and I refuse to ever be made to look like a moron again! 😠👎
I believe the whole reason for Leena's super strength is just the writers reasoning that altough she looks like a child, she is an adult woman, and therefore (much) stronger than a child.
@@hellokittygurl03the grown men are natural normal healthy minded adults. She's a fuming psychopath. People with mental issues tend to be stronger in high stress situations. It's not like she was arm wrestling them. It was murder on sight.
I think it's also a bit of surprise. People don't expect an 8 or 9 year old to go after them and may be afraid of hurting them while defending themselves.
And then you're considered lucky, because where I live in Canada, rent has become 80% of one's income within the last 3 years....and I'm not even in an "expensive" area. This guy is so out of touch with reality.
@@teriyakishrimp9480 bro I’m in Ontario and I pay 1650 a month for a two bedroom apartment. I’m disabled and ODSP does NOT pay enough to cover the rent so I have to rely on my parent to help while I stay in school. My partner, god bless him, works from home but has not been working because he got sick, and we don’t have a family doctor anymore because I’m on an LOP for my university, meaning my benefits of being a student no longer apply to my physiotherapy and other specialists I see for my disability.
@@mielthebee I'm also in Ontario, I work 12 hour shifts at 20$/hr but with the cost of rent and gas I'm lucky if I can ever have anything other than pasta and canned/frozen veggies to eat. I consider getting pasta sauce a splurge now because the nearest dollarama is a 20 min drive away and that adds to how much I'll have to pay for gas 😭 Ontario solidarity
11:15 I'm pretty sure Leena killed the security gaurd while she escaped cause he only wanted her beacuse he was obvisously a pedo****. Leena wants someone who'll love her as a woman, not a child
@@ollehkacbyeah that’s kind of why she’s continuously self sabotaging herself with these schemes of hers with the families. she only knows someone to love her when she is a child, even if it’s not what she wants, so she does what she can to lure them in and just hopes they accept the change, even though a healthy and normal person (what she wants) would not go for that. she’s just doing what she’s familiar with and has known to work, even if it’s not something she’s happy with. the only way she could fix this is by consistently acting like a grown woman and “growing up” in a sense, but as Zac said, she can’t bring herself to do that, so it’s just a cycle of self harm and harm in general that will likely not end until she is permanently stopped like we might have seen at the end of the first movie. sure, she’s a psychopath that took advantage of peoples empathy and killed several people, but it is really sad to see why she does so after seeing the whole picture
@@bethgoode1227 yeah i wasn’t making any excuses for her just explaining why she does what she does (not the killing part) and why she would probably continue if given the chance. i cant exactly pin point why she ends up getting violent but i’m sure it is something to do with her mental issues/something she experienced when she younger if her dad was abusive, she probably just learned rejection = violence or she does it so she doesn’t get in trouble or anything yk
wasnt it a tv show about a girl with a similar disease is 21 years old that wanted a man but she looks like a 10 year old so when guys like her she is creeped out but she wants guys to like her - like a crazy cycle idk
Man, ngl I was slightly concerned when I started this video since I had a feeling the Natalia Grace case was gonna get brought up but I'm happy you handled the case with respect. I didn't know the part about that bs ruling because of that county changing her age to making her older than she actually is, but I'm glad she seems to be doing well. In terms of Esther herself, she's a fascinating villain and it was a pleasant treat to get a Horror History video on her. Though if I may make a recommendation for another Horror History video, can we possibly get one about Sadako Yamamura from the Ringu franchise? Being one of my favourite movie villains, Sadako's history is quite heartbreaking and (I've noticed recently) has interesting similarities to Candyman with the themes of how hate inflicted on someone in their life can turn them into a monster in death.
It's possibly an error from the film makers, and easily explained by the fact that the Estonian uniforms used to have Russian written on them at least up until August of 1991 when Estonia gained its independence from the Soviet Union. I can't say when the uniforms were changed, it could've taken years, it could've been immediate, as I am not from Estonia myself. However, we could choose to believe that in the movie version of Estonia, it took a little longer for the police uniforms to stop using Russian on them.
@theatre721 you are welcome, history has always been some of my favourite topics as I firmly believe that we can learn from our past a great deal. This being said, I highly recommend on checking on what used to be the Soviet Russia and more over what countries gained their independence when it fell, along with which ones were able to become their own nations before it. It puts a lot of things into perspective, even if it can be confusing and messy, but that is how most of human history is, fascinating yet confusingly messy.
11:03 I dont know if we can use John as proof that she "isn't attractive to men" since, during the movie, he was under the impression she was a child. It was normal for him to reject her.
I think he said that she isn’t “Attracted TO men”, meaning that her romantic interests in the father (as seen in the original movie) would’ve been due to manipulation needs rather than romantic or s3xual attraction
rdm millennial hate felt unwarranted. Shows/Movies have been based off toys since the 80s... It was completely normal to live with your parents for your whole life for most of human history. it saves money, free house builds generational wealth, parents are looked after in their old age and can help raise the grand children. Millennials are only getting hate now because were reaching a point in history where they are at the center of discussion, wealth discussions, political discussion, etc. Give it a bit of time, and people will be saying the same thing about the next generation, and milennials will be talking about how kids these days are soft and not tough like they were. The cycle continues.
Yeah. Anyone who falls for the generalization of a specific generation trap should be dismissed immediately. They're stuck mentally in just one generation. Lacking perspective
I remember seeing this movie in theaters in July of 2009 and when Kate finally slapped Esther at the hospital, the entire audience clapped with applause (including me).
I think some of the Millennials remaining in childhood think is also because of more recognition of mental health disorders such as autism and adhd without it being all over the place. I have Aspergers myself and because of that I have imprinted on Pokemon as a special interest and no one is forcing me out of it.
This is my first time hearing about millennials being infintilzed. Idk about that. It just feels like a dig just cause a lot of millennials, and gen z too, aren't hitting the typical adult milestones. Like owing a house and having big families, etc, cause it's just too damn expensive. At the same time, we are free to do and act how we want, but does that mean we are acting childish?
I absolutely despise people who infantilize others just because they have some mental handicap like Autism/Aspergers and/or ADHD. to go with it. As someone who has both myself, I was bullied in high school because of it and kids often babied talked me like I was a toddler and couldn't understand what they were talking about which always pissed me off. Still does even now, but now it makes me so nervous to mention it to anyone, even if its to help me like in college and stuff or people in general. I'm afraid of people taking advantage of me emotionally/mentally and hurting me in some way just because I was born a certain way and act differently from others. I get imprinted on a lot of special interests which causes me to annoy people about them (unintentionally ofc) bc I talk about them so much, but it's so so hard to control myself bc once I start talking about them, I get too excited and don't notice when I need to stop until someone literally has to say "hey, calm down" or "you're going off on a tangent again" and such which sucks
@@AnnieMustange Fellow Millennial here. Millennials are absolutely embarrassing. Our generation is marred by full grown people who are known as Disney Adults or as obsessed with things like Harry Potter. THAT'S what makes us look childish. There's also the fact that there are Tiktoks of Millennial women talking like sperging babies instead of the adult women they are. It's ALWAYS women. I hate it and if you don't see the problem, then you are the problem.
No ne will force you. It's been taught now that it's some sort of ableism to want to help someone anywhere on the spectrum, to become the best adult they can. If you want help curtailing your need to focus, or where you've 'imprinted' your special interest, I sincerely hope you're able to find an understanding mental health professional, who specializes in Asperger's.
Autism has existed for all of human history, millennials are the first generation where such a high percentage act like children well into adulthood. There’s nothing wrong with liking something juvenile (such as Pokémon) as an adult, but if you show up to a job interview wearing a Charzard shirt I’m not going to hire you. And adults going to Disney Land alone is just flat out weird.
Everytime he made a personal comment he ruined it. "Amber heard joke" "woman moment" yeah okay... More like white man moment. Tone deaf and pretentious as fuck.
I think the title of the movie was meant as It’s her first kill as an “Orphan and Esther”, not her first ever kill as Leena. So it makes kinda sense now.
As many has pointed out there is an alternate ending that shows her back in the house when the police arrive and with the director "developing" an Orphan 3, she could very well be alive.
@@thomaslewis6613 I remember the alternate ending. However, I would hope they would plan the sequel based on the theatrical release. Of course, Rob Zombie ignored his theatrical release of Halloween when creating Halloween 2.
And the irony of a RUclipsr having these economic/generational views when you literally benefit from an era where you can make a living wage talking about stuff in your room and putting it on the internet. And many RUclipsrs, especially from the early years of this site are also millennials, who had to deal with the criticisms of older generations claiming that they needed to get real jobs. This site is successful mostly because millennials got tired of the traditional route of trying to get ahead and make a living. Which is proving to no longer be what it once was.
Yeah I like the video an the analogy to the extended-childhood problem, but that rant went way too long that I had to raise my eyebrow at it. It was weirdly personal
Yeah the part were he says he's not letting himself be defined by his childhood when he's making a living of analyzing and making detailed timelines of movies that came out during his childhood/teenager's years sound incredibly hypocrite. And besides it's hardly the first time that family all lived together during times of economical duress. There's nothing inherently millennial about it, and they aren't even the most affected by unemployment, it's gen Z. And yet no one goes and criticize them for 'being lazy' or going to amusement parks. So that whole point felt unnecessary and overdone.
I work a real job and will likely never afford to leave home. I do fucking security making little over minimum wage and I have been doing security for 6 years. I can barely afford what few bills I manage and I make damn near $600 a week
1. Only a small percentage of content makers can make a living making videos in their room. 2. Anyone can be concerned about the well-being of others and the societal effects of poverty. Having a living wage doesn't mean that you can't be concerned about people being able to earn a living wage.
yeah okay but the universal basic income isn't about "being given an allowance" it's about not working yourself to death for 50 years because otherwise you have to decide wheter to eat this month or have a place to sleep. Would be nice to make my rent doing videos on youtube but not everybody has an opportunity to do this, so the rest of us spends our life behind a desk, seeing our family for like 1/5 of a month. UBI is about giving people what they deserve for existing - housing, food, and pleasures, and an opportunity to work on what they love, not what they have to do to survive. You do great research about movies, would be useful to make great research about movement like this as well before you start mocking people for wanting to not starve or die of stress before they hit their 40s
also millenials arent stuck as "childish" because of cartoons. World fucking sucks and everything is dying, we are all depressed and refusing to have children because it would be cruel to give life in a dystopia. Not being able to buy a house is not childish, and nostalgia is the only thing keeping those people together, and it's still by a thread. The whole take is completely ignoring the generational trauma that concerns all of us. Could've done it without that part, my guy.
I 100% agree, like I’m so sorry but a RUclipsR critiquing how other people get money/deserve money is so daft and tone deaf. The federal minimum wage is literally still $7.25 but this guy who makes his living from RUclips thinks UBI is the issue…. like be forreal. Like you said I love his videos but that social commentary was stoked in ignorance and he should just stick with the timelines 🤷🏾♂️
To be fair to the memory thing, memory is very subjective for people. Some are able to recall a lot of things from childhood while others really aren’t able to.
@@Rebelheart1985 uhh sweetie. This is a public forum on a social media service. I dont need your permission to comment and correct your ass sweetheart.
I agree! I can remember quite a bit of my childhood and can remember as far back as age two. I’ve met some people who have no memories of their childhood until the age of like, 11 and then they can remember from that point on and it baffles me.
I was with you until the weird rant about living wages and such... also, just wanted to add, not having a uterus doesn't get rid of your libido, it dosen't really change anything about hormone production.
i agree. you'd think a youtuber who probably makes less than minimum wage on ad revenue would want a universal living wage. But he probably has no empathy for early-stage millenials, being a early-stage Gen Zer. its too bad.
Nothing wrong with adding extra information for the sake of context or education, plus his entire channel is about giving information for entertainment and education
Oh thank god I found others taking issue with that. The basic income isn't "because daddy didn't give them an allowance". I've been working since I was 17 (28 now), and it's genuinely become more difficult to survive. Really wish he didn't bring politics he doesn't understand just to be "hee hee hoo hoo funni"
I dont understand why you USAn did not demanded it sooner. Heck, my country workers union revolted in 1997 resulting of 5 cold-case murders and many arrest, and now we have yearly evaluation of basic income for workers. It is hard, and may cause many problem, but dude, nobody sleep in the car when they are working in Indonesia, and we eat none of those junk food but actually hot meals. 😢 arent we supposed tobe the poor 3rd world country!? I'm has worked as HR personnel, still gobsmacked when USAn sheepishly asked about sick leaves quota. Like what quota? Are you planning to get sick? How? Just give me sick notes from the doctors (we have universal health care for workers, mandatory by law, but you better not faked it, those notes could get you 5 years in prison) you'd get paid sick leave, paid maternity leave for 90 days, and 2 days unpaid without doctor's note. Not to mentioned religious or national holidays, paid, yearly paid leave,What happened to you guys? Even I get mad-rage hearing the treatment of workers in USA.😢
As a Millennial(I’m 38), trying to put us, or anyone else from a particular generation into a box is just lazy. And of course, being born in a particular generation, and being exposed to things in/from that generation, is out of our control. It’s essentially all we would know growing up along side it.
Didn't set up the housing market, either. Guess we should have bought a house when we were 3 years old? How dumb of us! We can't afford to have a kid on the average wage. I went to college, but the cost of surviving (not living). We were set up for failure. Would be nice if the 1% had to actually pay taxes. Or if we got to vote to give ourselves a raise every year or so. 🙄
@angelface925 Would be nice if we shrunk the government and only paid taxes on things we need so that we could keep more of our own income that rightfully belongs to us.
And a lot of us didn't really had the chance for a childhood due to being raised by boomer parents, plus, due to that we have some mental health issues that were undiagnosed all our lives. This feels like he's just throwing shade at us millenials for some god forsaken reason
I'm not a millennial but I felt his comments were rude and unjustified. Every generation has there issues and bad examples. Just felt like he was punching down for no good reason.
Boiling down the basic wage increase to "daddy wouldn't give them allowance" is pretty bullshit lmao. I'm working a "big boy" job and barely making over minimum wage and barely paying what few bills I have to pay. Is it true that raising minimum wage will only stifle the problem? Yeah, but what other option do we have? Stop paying for anything, including necessities, until corporations have no choice but to drop the prices? You'd be more likely to convince a rock to be sand.
@sentryogmixmaster that's why we pay taxes. So the government can help it's people by providing things in times of need. Not so they can get their 13th pay raise for the year despite only denying laws instead of fucking doing anything at all. Our economy is going to shit, but I'm so glad the 15 90 year old congressmen made 2mil more than they did last year. Thank god they can afford their 15th vacation home I was so fucking worried that they wouldn't be able to.
50:51 What's wrong with asking for a basic income according to inflation though? "... Grown people marching the streets because daddy wouldn't give them allowance"?? We get it dude you make good money making videos on youtube but not all jobs pay a liveable wage to the point multiple jobs are barely a solution
I am diagnosed with BPD. Its symptoms overlap with a lot of other conditions which makes it difficult to diagnose correctly. It is possible that Leena has BPD which became worse over time because I doubt she was ever diagnosed, so it was left untreated. EDIT: It is common for mentally disturbed people to exhibit enhanced physical strength when experiencing emotional distress because they utilise ‘hysterical strength’.
I’ve got BPD too and I definitely feel weird about him bringing in a real, highly stigmatized disorder for this timeline. It doesn’t feel necessary to “diagnose” her to understand Leena’s character and motivations. It made me feel icky ngl
Yeah my grandma and mom both have it (I was screened but the doctor said it missed me completely somehow). They are both raging home wreckers like Leena but both will cry at sad stories and really do love others… until they don’t. Leenas also a psycho though so that’s the difference.
As a teacher, I think a good job for Leena would be a school secret shopper. She could go in as a new student and report back on how the school was. Teachers behave very artificial around inspectors so it would be a good way around it
Woaw woaw woaw Universal Basic income its a bit more complicated than just " A dad giving an allowance to a kid". Long story short it also has to do with wealth redistribution, keepjng a healthy democracy and keeping a balance in the power relationships in society. Apart from that nice vid.
Yeah that part really did not sit well with me. I mean, "whining about a basic income because daddy wont give us an allowance"? I'm sure as a RUclipsr, he's set or whatever, but that felt insulting to people literately just asking for a livable wage today.
@@durrdurrier503same. I saw that ad and was wary but gave him a shot anyway. Then I get to the end and he betrayed that trust. Also. It's hilarious that he complains about basic income at the end but is sponsored by fucking mistplay. Hypocrisy much
Might be one of the worst takes ever about Mellennials tbh. I find in my line of work when it comes to dealing with Millennials, they are more adult then boomers who just complain and act like children when they don't get their way and think they are entitled to everything just cause of they upbringing. The system is made it harder to succeed in life now compared to 30+ years ago where you could work for a summer and pay for college or work a low wage job and still afford a house and a family. Wanting to play video games and watch anime has nothihg to do with becoming an adult. Lost a viewer
If you wanted to study you'd be studying already so... my advice is keep watching yt 😅 And study the very last minute... it always helped me... the pressure of not having much time helped me to learn/remember stuff faster (except math) so try that and report back if this method works for you as well. Good luck!
Y'had me until the UBI. Not only does it work in every test group, it would also ease inflation, and allow millenial groups to afford those basic "Adulting" steps such as vehicle, and home ownership. we're on a financial treadmill that our on average 2-3 jobs do not pay enough to escape.
Yeah been a fan of the channel for quite some time, and was really enjoying this one until the weird attack on millennials and against UBI. If this is the direction the channel will turn I’ll definitely be bouncing.
Honestly same. I was enjoying the video well until he tried to basically villainize millennials for (checks notes) wanting a livable wage. Definitely felt vibes of privilege since his RUclips career is set at least for a few years, it felt like he was looking down at people who didn't do RUclips.
It doesn't actually work. In every study, it works in a very short duration, but quickly shows that motivation to accomplish crashes among those who receive it as they quickly figure out how to live within the means of the check. We can see it in the UK too. A lot of people are in that sort of system, and we get treated to them having street fights because they're drug addled and bored, since they have no reason to get a job. So maybe actually do research instead of reading biased tweets and baity headlines, you child.
@@GoldDustWoahman As a Millennial: All y'all whining are the same people pissing yourselves in insistence that your parents were Very Mean Boomers and Gen Z is the most mentally defunct generation ever. So byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye
I could see a Lolita inspired movie where Leena manages to kill a man's wife, but he does have a thing for little girls, so they get together, but she didn't realize that getting what she wanted meant she would still be treated like a child and be controlled by the dad. It's clear that Leena is now the protagonist of these movies, so it would make sense to have another film where we want to see her win against someone worse than her.
@invisible.fatman Pedophilia isn't a fetish. I'm not saying it should be shoehorned in for a cinematic story. A lot of media reflect what happens in real life, just like Lolita did for its author. It would be a multi layered message. One about how plenty of children in foster care or who get adopted end up being abused by predators. The other would be how a lot of kids and teens will have crushes on adults/teachers, but they end up finding out that it's not good if one of those adults likes them back. Movies have helped people realize that maybe things aren't as safe as they seem. That there can be more to a situation and how we should be more cautious. A movie about Leena getting what she wants and finding out it's nothing like she dreamed can teach young adults the dangers of pursuing relationships with anyone over the age of 20 who are attracted to people that are their age.
I read this, fan theory that Lena was sexually abused by her father after their mom died He would always tell Lena that he couldn’t wait for her to become a woman so that he could marry her And when Lena was diagnosed with dwarfism, her father became angry and physically, abusive, because she wouldn’t mature into a woman That’s what led her to snap and kill him
Daddy wouldn't give us allowance? And not taking responsibility for our actions? Bro. Wtf. We're in our 30s and 40s. Most of us have careers and families. What is this at the end?
Yeah, the vid went from a fun discussion on a dumb horror franchise into an uninformed rant on a political topic, a guy being sponsored by fucking mistplay has no business ranting about. Strawmans the basic wage movement about wanting daddys allowance. Meanwhile is getting allowance from an app that's most likely run by a guy in india making phone calls under the false name of Dave. Like, Hypocrite much?
I think people seriously just misunderstood what he meant. I don't think he was saying these things himself, but calling out what others say online. I.e, housing being so crazy literal adults have to live with their parents, adults trying to live through their childhood with nostalgia. Making the general idea online that millennials just being grown children. I've seen him be deliberately mean before, and I really don't think this is it lol especially with the context that social media plays a big role on how millennials are seen
31:46 I am a diagnosed psychopath, and not all of us are cold-blooded murderers. While we lack empathy, we understand the emotions of others and know how to react to avoid appearing abnormal. This ability also allows us to manipulate others very effectively.
As someone with BPD(no childhood abuse just a really neglectful mother) we do move often simply bc we get bored. Our brains do not have a 'grey area' meaning we have no calm point were either extremely happy and all into something or extremely cold and disconnected. We tend to do drastic things that may put us in danger simply to get that joy that 'normal' people feel like dating abusive people, running away, fighting/hurting ourself, sleeping with people we dont know getting tattoos and piercings(which is a safer method) etc. It makes it hard to keep friends and relationships because one second were happy and in love then they do something we deem as 'wrong' and it shatters that view we have of them and leaves us angry and hateful towards them. Unlike bipolar disorder our mood swings last for days compared to bipolars quick turnover. It is extremely hard to live with the illness and many of us do end up taking our life because of it, living normally is hard and we tend to take personality traits from others both real life people and movie/tv show characters. It sucks since were always typically portrayed as bad/evil and many of us are not, I can only vouch for myself but I will say the movie portrayal of us tend to be strongly incorrect and very few of us ever become killers which makes sense since less than 1.6% of the population actually has a cluster B personality disorder.
Are personality disorders really that rare? I'm gonna do some research on that because I think it's not that uncommon. Maybe I'm just thinking of alot of undiagnosed people that have it. I was diagnosed myself at age 18 after being diagnosed with BPD symptoms for the previous 4 years. You cant officially be diagnosed with a PD until age 18. But with years of finding the right medication and years of therapy I have it managed to where I am content most of the time and experience little symptoms anymore. DBT is the best kind of therapy for BPD. Dbt actually was made specifically for bpd!!! But it can he helpful for many other disorders.
@@kelsey2333 i was diagnosed at 13 which is extremely uncommon normally they wait til 18 to diagnose personality disorders but i had such obvious symptoms(including threats to kill others, lack of empathy, lack of remorse, antisocial behavior etc). With how many people are currently on earth 1% is still past 1mil people who have BPD specifically, there are other disorders like NPD(which is also have), HPD, APD etc that make the count much larger.
I really wasn’t a fan of him bringing in BPD as a part of Leena’s timeline. It doesn’t add anything to our understanding of her character. This disorder is so misdiagnosed and misunderstood by professionals so it really isn’t a good idea to use it to analyze a fictional character. All it does is further misconstrue a heavily stigmatized disorder
I love the deep dive and also that you mention the plot holes without saying they’re plot holes - but it purely reminds me of a time where Ryan George as ‘producer guy’ in a pitch meeting would ask all of the same questions you’d ask and then ‘writer’ guy would say ‘because the plot had to happen’ … you’re exceptionally generous when you detail plot holes made by the writers, though you call them out it’s much more gentle than the equally beloved Ryan George.
The irony of a youtuber going on a jag about how infantilized millennials are and talking about how they need to take responsibility for their lives and get 'real jobs'. Are you serious?
@@zk3957 I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying that if HE was capable of getting a 'real job' he wouldn't be /here/ because the only thing that makes RUclips a 'real' job is the effort. It was supposed to be a social media platform like tiktok originally. But people managed to make careers out of it.. usually as a fluke because people liked their rambling or purposefully because they couldn't get a 'real job' elsewhere for some reason (usually because the economy is absolute garbage and it's impossible to get a 'real job' that pays enough to actually keep people alive without having to work multiple jobs or branch out into side gigs/alternatives like RUclips)
Yeah that part really did not sit well with me. I mean, "whining about a basic income because daddy wont give us an allowance"? I'm sure as a RUclipsr, he's set or whatever, but that felt insulting to people literately just asking for a livable wage today.
Orphan is one of my favorite horror movies and the reveal at the end was freaking awesome. The suspense and build up of dread scared the crap out of me 😁.
Just that one little clip inside the TV frame, the rest of the scenes are from "Poor Little Rich Girl". Sarah in "The Little Princess" was not really an orphan since her father was alive nor was she adopted. Than again, Barbara from "Poor Little Rich Girl" wasn't an orphan either since her father was still alive too. Maybe Leena/Ester watches them because she wants to copy traits of Shirley Temple into her childlike persona. 🤷🏻♀
@@JustTanya. In the actual book Sara becomes an orphan and does eventually get adopted by a very wealthy man (her late father’s business partner) and her own family fortune is also restored. I haven’t seen the Shirley Temple version since I was a child, and I know they changed the 1997 version too, so I assume it also eventually turns out her father was miraculously alive after all in the Shirley Temple film?
@@MegCazalet Yeah, at the very end of the Shirley Temple movie she finds her father in the hospital. He was recovering and had amnesia though he would call out her name, the hospital staff just figured it was his condition. Eventually she finds him and tried to get home to remember her and he does. After she meets Queen Victoria I might add. LOL The 90s version, it has been a long time since I seen it but I think it was similar; her father was injured in the war and got amnesia. He just happened to be living next to the school and somehow towards the end he remembered his daughter and gets her back. Not that different to the Shirley Temple ending. I could be wrong though because I only saw that movie once many years ago. I prefer the Shirley Temple version. I haven't read the book since elementary school, almost 40 years ago, so I forgot quite a bit of it. I just remember the Shirley Temple version because I love all her movies and still watch them.
@@JustTanya. Mentioning any Shirley Temple's movies makes my skin crawl. That's not your guys' fault, but when you actually go back and watch the breadth of her career as a child, you realize there was not-so-subliminal messaging in all those movies that make a powerful indication to Lena's background of sexual abuse.
Then get a better job. Stop voting for bs politicians who want more taxes for "redistribution" programmes. Get creative with working for cash. Lots of choices. No need to expect another hard working citizen to pay for you when government could tax less and everyone gets to keep more of their OWN money.
Yeah tbh Im hoping that part was sarcasm/irony? Because the whole infantalised millenials has, as far as I'm aware, been debunked. Glad Im not the only one that thought that was weird tho
The reason why we are so effectuated in so deep into nostalgia. It's because we are self-medicating with nostalgia. Looking back at the times where we could just go to school eat some cereal. Watch some cartoons or anime. Talk about wrestling disney cartoons disney movies. Without thinking about how am I going to pay my light bill. We're not afraid of growing up. We're afraid of being homeless because of the struggles. Of the modern day society of growing up. Everybody grows up but not everybody grows up and has problems. That's every millennial in america right now. Because we're either self-medicating with drugs. Over self-medicating with nostalgia. This is why this generation is so lonely. This is why this generation is so hooked on drugs. Because the world we live in is constantly pushing us down. When we try to grow up. You can't buy a car you don't have the money too. You can't afford an apartment you don't have the money too. The only way you can go to school is staying with your parents. Even then you try to move out finally. You can't because you have college debt. This is why our generation is not getting married not leaving home. So hooked on nostalgia. Because the freedoms of being an adult are not so free. Depression is increasing because of the not so free liberty. Of what the past generations could do as adults. You probably could back then buy a car for $5,000. $5,000 wouldn't get you any car today. $5,000 would barely get you a apartment and that apartment is not decent. The reason why millennials are not getting married right now. It's simply because they do not want to get into bigger than with somebody. So they wait later on when they're in a situation. That is better lucratively to find someone. So if that person does have debt. The debt won't be so outrageously huge for both of them. That's the sad thing about it the whole millennials. Don't want to grow up is not true we want to grow up like everybody. But we are having more hardships to become an adult.
0:11 "pituitary gland" Bruh remember when Gravity Falls mentioned that shiz 💀 Also: would like to point out that her birthday just so happens to be April 20, meaning she shares her birthday with Hitler.
I had no idea the movie was inspired by a real crime case that happened in my country! I love that you deliver both horror lore and interesting facts from real life tied to it, amazing vid as always CZ 💙
hi gen x here,we had all the 80s cartoons that were literally made JUST to sell the toys the shows were created about. (just regarding your comment about the cartoons and millennials)
I’m a gen Z kid and honestly the comments from people on here are annoying. I honestly don’t think he meant any harm with it and was more just poking fun at the stereotypes. But sadly I think the way he did it went over everyone’s heads. If he did that with my generation I wouldn’t be in a tizzy about it and writing whole hate paragraphs. But I mean hey to each their own I guess.
@@bodyfarmbrat oh I know it’s not you I’m sorry if my comment came across that way😂 I was just more so agreeing that everyone in every generation is like that. As well as adding that some people were just writing hate paragraphs cause he was poking some fun at their generation. And saying how if it was my generation he was poking fun at I wouldn’t have even bat an eye. And I looooove He-Man, my brothers grew up watching it so they showed it to me when I was younger.
I think the main reason millennials struggle is because during the time when we would usually be pursuing higher education, our alcoholic or pill addicted parents couldn’t help one bit. Add that the recession hit during this same time as well. A lot of older millennials were dealing with a lot of generational abuse and addiction issues with our parents, as when I (a millennial ) was a kid, it was completely normalized to beat your kids, and parents wanted you out of the house when you turned 18. Many of us had to get full time jobs straight out of high school and may have needed to shack up with other people our age so we had a place to live. This in turn may have led to having children too early, adding yet another roadblock and challenge to going to college. Millennials had to grow up too fast, which may be why we tend to enjoy childhood nostalgia
Every generation enjoys childhood nostalgia. I’m a gen z and still be watching things from my childhood for comfort (Disney, Scooby doo). And honestly I don’t think he meant any harm with what he said. I think it was more poking fun at the stereotypes of that generation which I mean a lot of people do. It’s done a lot to my generation, people call us the “kids who ate tide pods”. When in reality little to no one did that.
@@kaylakhaos6739 naw. If he was just poling fun. He wouldn't have dropped that "Daddy didn't give them allowance" bit He was talking out of his ass on a topic he has no knowledge of at the end there
@@1slayer959 Honestly that bit was just poking fun to me. Truly don’t think he believes that dude. If so then yeah that’s kind of ignorant and in bad taste but he’s always made jokes in his videos and they weren’t serious so I’m taking what was all said as more satire than anything. Idk if satire is the right word but yeah.
@@kaylakhaos6739 if ya consider, enforcing a false mindset, both about a generation that has been unfairly criticized and a political movent that has been consistently pushed back against for decades despite the good it can do, "just joking." You do you I suppose. But to be frank. There are 2 versions of reality here. 1 that wasn't a joke. Or rather it was his legitimate opinion masked by humor. In which case. He's an ignorant piece of garbage. Or it was a joke. In which case, it's extremely irresponsible of him to even entertain that concept.
@@1slayer959 You’re right in the sense if it wasn’t a joke than it was totally wrong of him. But no if it was just jokes than it’s comedy and comedy has no limits to it. Same thing with being satire. Again I say it about my own generation, we are the ones who get labeled even “lazier” than you guys and are the kids who “ate tide pods”. If he said stuff about my generation I wouldn’t have even cared because again it’s not something to take that seriously. But again that’s on the premise that it’s only jokes. If it isn’t jokes than yeah it’s not a great thing…
Can you just stop diagnosing people with BPD when they are not officially diagnosed with it in the actual source material? Can't you just describe them as violent and cruel without tagging actual real people with an actual real diagnosis in it too? Most people with BPD are not abusive or violent. Some are, but so are also some plumbers, some blond people and some right handed people. BPD is not quite as socially bad diagnosis to have as narcissism or psychopathy but it holds firmly the second place, it is not one you'd ever want to admit to having because people will assume you must be a horrible person because of it, and throwing the diagnosis around willy nillly does not exactly help. People think that all people with BPD are violent and abusive, because people like you keep telling them that every other violent and abusive person has BPD.
The "only surviving child" trope in this movie reminds me of Mikey. They both do share a very evil murderous history. All these "accidents" should raise more red flags.
37:33 I think the reason the doctors didn't notice the scars is because they never took off the ribbons in the first place. I think if they had tried, Esther would've said "ow that hurts, don't do that" because of the tenderness of the broken arm. That's why the doctors just put on the cast and sent them home.
Man i wanted to like this video so bad but the cheap, unprompted digs at women, millennials, and making fun of people wanting to be able to afford basic items made this video so much less enjoyable. I really think you could do so much better :(
That's the whole channel in a nutshell tbh. The topics seem interesting but the guy can't help making weird takes that have nothing to do with the movie in question. And he always makes cheap jokes about women. Sad really, because the videos have potential
Ffs. Grow a back bone. Stop being such a cry baby. If your feeewings get hurt, go cry about it in a ball pit with the rest of the children 😂. Some people are such soft losers
@@breathinghumanperson3855yep it’s me watching doing laundry and my husband walking in going ‘ah it white boy Wednesday? What shit takes we got today?’ 😂
I am glad you all said it. I think I just noticed it in this video but his take on millennials and women was like WOW to me. Glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed it.
It would be nice if they made a movie about Leena's early life and the actual first kill, since the crime scene photos look very intriguing. The story could be told by Max, who is an adult now.
As someone who once worked in a foster care agency, Sister Abigail is likely going off of information given by Esther and the police reports. If that information was sketchy, it explains why her information is also sketchy.
Hey love your content! Can't wait for your next video. How about diving into the Evil Dead Books of the Dead? They're such a big part of the series' mythology, and it'd be epic to see you break it down!
God what a hard right turn. "People want UBI to compensate for the allowance their daddies didn't give them" says the youtuber who survives off of the goodwill of people looking to be entertained in their dwindling amount of free time while they work real jobs 🙄
Bro , I swear to god I literally keep checking to see if I was watching the same video playing cause what the fuck was that ? Where did that even come from ?
@@OJsLeftGlove my guy there are people working multiple jobs and still barely scraping by. There is exactly 0 truth to his whining rant about people wanting to be able to afford to live without working themselves to death. People literally just want to be well off enough that taking a sick day or two isn't going to drastically affect their ability to pay for necessities.
As an older millennial (42), during the 2008 financial crisis, i had just started my career and everything came to a screeching halt. It was a rough patch to be sure.
27:00, i find it so funny he says this when there are hundreds of actions movies where men do the same thing of leaving a burning buolding in a fire outfit. Why can't you just have a logical breakdown of a movie without being misogynistic and trying to make it into a joke? Sheesh.
The first Orphan aired on a Halloween marathon on one of the cable networks at my father's house back in 2022, and I was disturbed but hooked. Also, I find it hilarious that Jimmy Bennett, a child actor who voiced Roo in the Winnie-the-Pooh direct to video movies between 2003-2008 and was in the 2009 Robert Rodriguez anthology film Shorts, was tortured by Leena who attempted to kill him multiple times throughout Orphan. Even actors who starred or voiced in lighthearted children's material can be present in more darker pieces of media. It's like how Haley Joel Osment voiced Sora and Vanitas in the Kingdom Hearts series, but had a history of being casted in horror, starting with M. Night Shaymalan's The Sixth Sense, and later on with Kevin Smith's Tusk and 2019's Shockingly Wicked, Cruel, and Vile. Or Axel/Lea(alongside Reno Sinclair, N. Gin, Victor & Moritz, Chick Guzzard Lips, Jonny Quest, and Sheldon Lee)'s VA Quinton Flynn narrating the 2015 ID true crime series I'd Kill For You. Makes sense because he voices either ax-crazy or badass characters(and both with Raiden in the Metal Gear series for example), and red-haired anti-heroes/protagonists in JRPG franchises. A lot like who Charles Martinet voiced both a red plumber and cool dragon in an E and M rated IP(Super Mario and The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim). Insane, huh?
Lena's story was interesting especially the movies 🤔 but the 2nd one after learning her story I was actually feeling bad for her & cheering her on 😂 at the end
I'm pushing 30, but due to genetics I look like a teenager which makes other teens bully me. I'm not even anywhere near a school! I'm just waiting for the bus! Why is this my life?!
🫠sometimes I wish the United States was like my parents country of Honduras 🇭🇳were bullying isn’t tolerated ppl there fight you regardless age & sometimes slaughter eachother with no dire consequences of law enforcement & jail. Only time face consequences like jail there is if you do it to some important person or get caught in act.
Aye but the institute also had wrong data no? I like the reason for the families name being wrong being explained by that but I doubt it was intentional
I liked everything up until the badtalking of universal basic income. I'm someone with a near-full-time job who helps support their family and UBI would be a godsend. It isn't people who are just upset because daddy wouldn't give the money, it's people who don't have the money to go around and have to make difficult choices between rent, food, and gas. It's kinda a shame that you chose to see something that could help so many struggling people as just "WAAHH WAAHH GIMME MONEY!"
As a millennial myself the biggest problem now isn't that millennials are not growing up. It's not really the millennial fault. The system we live in now makes it harder for millennials. At large to live get married go to school. The biggest things that past generations can do. We can't get married because our separate debt becomes shared debt. We can't really get an apartment for ourselves let alone the house. Because we have to pay these higher student loans. Trying to buy a car literally is impossible so we have to get notes. To keep that car and the notes are extreme prices. And even then you have to choose do I eat today. Or do I have to pay rent and pay my car note. Along with paying my other utility bills. With a minimum wage that's not minimum.
Amazing intro, and the boob slider thing is true. Evryone knows that almost every sims player needs to be on a list, a lot of us act like evil gods. But that slider was 100% for the “breed out the ugly” challenge and some of the people who play that are crazy😭
I was just watching an Andre the Giant documentary and his pituitary gland overworked on him. He had the opposite which was acromegaly. It’s just interesting how this is the third time I’ve heard about the pituitary gland today. Not something that normally pops up even in medicinal and murder documentaries
Synchronicity. Hmmm. A very unusual thing to see on repeat. Maybe you need to grow or something is stunting your growth. Or maybe it signifies that you have grown. Neat.
Leena does survived falling into the pond. There's a scene after the credits and the police find her painting, and she still introduces herself as Esther
The condition Esther has is technichally a thing, but it is a very fictionalized portrayal. It literally means "Low pituitary action." For one, it stunts growth, but a child can be given some growth hormone, and even if they don't receive that treatment, they'll be small, but they will still look their age. They age normally and will develope some breast and hips. Also, it usually does not occure on it's own. It's usually a symptom of another condition, such as a tumor near the gland, or TS, or others.
Now that would make for an interesting episode of Film Theory. Orphan 3 theorized to not feature Leena at all, but rather two parents that became fans of her story.
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I don't think she survived the end of the first movie. It always looked to me like that kick broke her neck, and assumed that was why they made a prequel instead of a sequel.
I don’t think the kick killed her. I think she was paralyzed and drowned
It's true
There's an alternate ending where she survives. She gets back into the house and pretends to act like a child for when the police arrive
@@mason-connorsnelson7595Isn’t that that the official ending?
No. Her dying is the official ending after the mom rips off the line from The Ring 2 @@arrownoir
The backstory cut from the scripts make her actions and behavior toward father figures make a lot of sense. Abuse victims often have their love schemas broken by the abuse and that can permanently alter the way they pursue romantic love
It's called trauma reinactment
It's sad how being brutalized as a child makes you want to brutalize others even if you like or love them
Fun fact during the filming of First kill they made all the actors wear shoes that added 3-6 inches since Esther’s actress was a grown woman
@@lillanie125 They hired her at 12 for the first one
@@GordisCharca yea i just got to that part of the videooo😂 but thxx
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They also used an actual child to film scenes where her face wasn't shown.
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Don't forget about the Nicolas Barclay case where that guy said he was him and was taken to France and that's why he spoke with an accent and had his eye color chemically altered and the family seriously just took this dude in.
Yes I just rewatched “Imposter” last night.
Imposter and the chameleon are amazing movies
The fact that Nicolas's brother was onto him and knew very well it wasn't him but their grief was so intense they accepted him
Didn't law & order make an episode based off that case?
I think adults who look like Children scare us because children can already be terrifyingly without years and years of being trapped in one body, with festering anger
Well said
Like, nothing is scarier than a child looking at empty space and waving 😂
My daughter did this when she was a baby. She started giggling and looking shy at ? while looking over my shoulder. I froze and then slowly turned around and nothing was there. I think someone from beyond, showed him/herself and smiled at my daughter. It only happened that one time, thank God.
That's a weird imagination. I'm not scared by adults who look like children, that's just silly. They are people like anyone else.
Or in the case of this movie, Esthering with anger
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As an Estonian its quite obvious that there were no estonians on the production team, there are details that dont make sense, Leenas estonian is horrible I had to listen to her speaking estonian several times to make out what she was saying and the only reason i understood what she was saying was thanks to the translated subtitles in the video.
i honestly agree, only bit of estonian i understood in the movie without issues was when she was told to put the pencil down
I suspect an Estonian background was picked because there would be a lot fewer people to offend, or raise any red flags. Fewer people to spot the laziness means they could get away with putting their budget into things other than making it accurate. Every time I see my neck of the world through the lenses of someone who clearly knows nothing about it, I like to pretend it's a parallel world version where that would make sense, and that is the odd accent we're all accustomed to, and we would build a house like that, and that is how the weather works at that time of year, and that highly-specific object that the film-maker didn't realize is a regional thing where he's shooting is also common here.
She says, ”Äkki ma lõikan su munad maha ja söödan need sulle, sa kuradi sitaplekk”
@@YourWaywardDestiny true just was so exciting at first to see my country represented that it bugged a lil that there felt to be no effort there
Ha ha, guys...very (not) funny. 🙄 Everyone knows "Estonia" is a fictional country, and it's just one of those places "that sound Eastern European" which lazy, close minded writers have used in movies and other media forever. I failed geography 7 times because I refused to believe that Genovia (from The Princess Diaries) was not a real place. Other examples include these: Latkovia (home of Dr. Doom), "Kazakhstan" (from the movie "Borat"), but probably the most famous fictional country ever is "Transylvania", which is, of course, the home of Dracula, Wolfman Jack, Frankenstein, The Mummy, and Dr. Frankenfurter.
Tbh, I find it a bit bigoted to not use real names of real countries but instead just slap on an "-onia" or "atvia" to some gibberish as a replacement. Hollywood needs to stop trying to confuse all of us with this foolishness, and I refuse to ever be made to look like a moron again! 😠👎
I believe the whole reason for Leena's super strength is just the writers reasoning that altough she looks like a child, she is an adult woman, and therefore (much) stronger than a child.
Agreed, more years mean more toning and strength even if she doesn't physically grow
More than a grown man though ?
@@hellokittygurl03Suspension of disbelief
@@hellokittygurl03the grown men are natural normal healthy minded adults. She's a fuming psychopath. People with mental issues tend to be stronger in high stress situations. It's not like she was arm wrestling them. It was murder on sight.
I think it's also a bit of surprise. People don't expect an 8 or 9 year old to go after them and may be afraid of hurting them while defending themselves.
50:55 I mean when 70% of what I spend every month is RENT, either give us the money we need to survive or make work accessible on a living wage.
Love, a gen z who will never own a home
Yeah that whole tirade about millennials supposedly just living at home because they want felt very boomer-vibes of him. yikes/
And then you're considered lucky, because where I live in Canada, rent has become 80% of one's income within the last 3 years....and I'm not even in an "expensive" area. This guy is so out of touch with reality.
@@teriyakishrimp9480 bro I’m in Ontario and I pay 1650 a month for a two bedroom apartment. I’m disabled and ODSP does NOT pay enough to cover the rent so I have to rely on my parent to help while I stay in school. My partner, god bless him, works from home but has not been working because he got sick, and we don’t have a family doctor anymore because I’m on an LOP for my university, meaning my benefits of being a student no longer apply to my physiotherapy and other specialists I see for my disability.
@@mielthebee I'm also in Ontario, I work 12 hour shifts at 20$/hr but with the cost of rent and gas I'm lucky if I can ever have anything other than pasta and canned/frozen veggies to eat. I consider getting pasta sauce a splurge now because the nearest dollarama is a 20 min drive away and that adds to how much I'll have to pay for gas 😭 Ontario solidarity
11:15 I'm pretty sure Leena killed the security gaurd while she escaped cause he only wanted her beacuse he was obvisously a pedo****. Leena wants someone who'll love her as a woman, not a child
Kind of hard if you act like a. 10 year old.
@@ollehkacbyeah that’s kind of why she’s continuously self sabotaging herself with these schemes of hers with the families. she only knows someone to love her when she is a child, even if it’s not what she wants, so she does what she can to lure them in and just hopes they accept the change, even though a healthy and normal person (what she wants) would not go for that. she’s just doing what she’s familiar with and has known to work, even if it’s not something she’s happy with. the only way she could fix this is by consistently acting like a grown woman and “growing up” in a sense, but as Zac said, she can’t bring herself to do that, so it’s just a cycle of self harm and harm in general that will likely not end until she is permanently stopped like we might have seen at the end of the first movie. sure, she’s a psychopath that took advantage of peoples empathy and killed several people, but it is really sad to see why she does so after seeing the whole picture
@@ghosts_are_real This is the perfect way where we have to understand why the character is the way they are but not make excuses for them.
@@bethgoode1227 yeah i wasn’t making any excuses for her just explaining why she does what she does (not the killing part) and why she would probably continue if given the chance. i cant exactly pin point why she ends up getting violent but i’m sure it is something to do with her mental issues/something she experienced when she younger if her dad was abusive, she probably just learned rejection = violence or she does it so she doesn’t get in trouble or anything yk
wasnt it a tv show about a girl with a similar disease is 21 years old that wanted a man but she looks like a 10 year old so when guys like her she is creeped out but she wants guys to like her - like a crazy cycle idk
Man, ngl I was slightly concerned when I started this video since I had a feeling the Natalia Grace case was gonna get brought up but I'm happy you handled the case with respect. I didn't know the part about that bs ruling because of that county changing her age to making her older than she actually is, but I'm glad she seems to be doing well.
In terms of Esther herself, she's a fascinating villain and it was a pleasant treat to get a Horror History video on her. Though if I may make a recommendation for another Horror History video, can we possibly get one about Sadako Yamamura from the Ringu franchise? Being one of my favourite movie villains, Sadako's history is quite heartbreaking and (I've noticed recently) has interesting similarities to Candyman with the themes of how hate inflicted on someone in their life can turn them into a monster in death.
13:02 it's odd. She is in Estonia, but the Policeman's uniform is clearly Russian. It even says "Полиция".
It's possibly an error from the film makers, and easily explained by the fact that the Estonian uniforms used to have Russian written on them at least up until August of 1991 when Estonia gained its independence from the Soviet Union. I can't say when the uniforms were changed, it could've taken years, it could've been immediate, as I am not from Estonia myself. However, we could choose to believe that in the movie version of Estonia, it took a little longer for the police uniforms to stop using Russian on them.
I think she somehow made it to Russia as she was transferred to Moscow. However how she crossed a border without being caught is unclear.
@@RZDrawsi just wanna thanks. I actually learned something on the Internet today. There wasn't even a flame war
She fled to Russia and was there during the swing scene, probably stole Anna's car to get there or somehow caught a bus.
@theatre721 you are welcome, history has always been some of my favourite topics as I firmly believe that we can learn from our past a great deal.
This being said, I highly recommend on checking on what used to be the Soviet Russia and more over what countries gained their independence when it fell, along with which ones were able to become their own nations before it. It puts a lot of things into perspective, even if it can be confusing and messy, but that is how most of human history is, fascinating yet confusingly messy.
11:03 I dont know if we can use John as proof that she "isn't attractive to men" since, during the movie, he was under the impression she was a child. It was normal for him to reject her.
I think he said that she isn’t “Attracted TO men”, meaning that her romantic interests in the father (as seen in the original movie) would’ve been due to manipulation needs rather than romantic or s3xual attraction
That's the point.. she is not supposed to attractive to men because she looks like a child
For a second I thought she was attracted to women 😅
I'll be honest, I was not expecting to see Kurtis Conner be featured in a CZ video
rdm millennial hate felt unwarranted. Shows/Movies have been based off toys since the 80s...
It was completely normal to live with your parents for your whole life for most of human history. it saves money, free house builds generational wealth, parents are looked after in their old age and can help raise the grand children.
Millennials are only getting hate now because were reaching a point in history where they are at the center of discussion, wealth discussions, political discussion, etc. Give it a bit of time, and people will be saying the same thing about the next generation, and milennials will be talking about how kids these days are soft and not tough like they were. The cycle continues.
Yeah. Anyone who falls for the generalization of a specific generation trap should be dismissed immediately. They're stuck mentally in just one generation.
Lacking perspective
The ubi hate pissed me off. Clearly absolutely no thought into his harmful rhetoric that if he does respond will just feign ignorance.
I remember seeing this movie in theaters in July of 2009 and when Kate finally slapped Esther at the hospital, the entire audience clapped with applause (including me).
The husband in the 2009 movie was oblivious until the end.
@@loriellajames6978 DEADASS, Honestly I hate to sound harsh but his character deserved to die.
I think some of the Millennials remaining in childhood think is also because of more recognition of mental health disorders such as autism and adhd without it being all over the place. I have Aspergers myself and because of that I have imprinted on Pokemon as a special interest and no one is forcing me out of it.
This is my first time hearing about millennials being infintilzed. Idk about that. It just feels like a dig just cause a lot of millennials, and gen z too, aren't hitting the typical adult milestones. Like owing a house and having big families, etc, cause it's just too damn expensive. At the same time, we are free to do and act how we want, but does that mean we are acting childish?
I absolutely despise people who infantilize others just because they have some mental handicap like Autism/Aspergers and/or ADHD. to go with it. As someone who has both myself, I was bullied in high school because of it and kids often babied talked me like I was a toddler and couldn't understand what they were talking about which always pissed me off. Still does even now, but now it makes me so nervous to mention it to anyone, even if its to help me like in college and stuff or people in general. I'm afraid of people taking advantage of me emotionally/mentally and hurting me in some way just because I was born a certain way and act differently from others. I get imprinted on a lot of special interests which causes me to annoy people about them (unintentionally ofc) bc I talk about them so much, but it's so so hard to control myself bc once I start talking about them, I get too excited and don't notice when I need to stop until someone literally has to say "hey, calm down" or "you're going off on a tangent again" and such which sucks
@@AnnieMustange Fellow Millennial here. Millennials are absolutely embarrassing. Our generation is marred by full grown people who are known as Disney Adults or as obsessed with things like Harry Potter. THAT'S what makes us look childish. There's also the fact that there are Tiktoks of Millennial women talking like sperging babies instead of the adult women they are. It's ALWAYS women. I hate it and if you don't see the problem, then you are the problem.
No ne will force you. It's been taught now that it's some sort of ableism to want to help someone anywhere on the spectrum, to become the best adult they can. If you want help curtailing your need to focus, or where you've 'imprinted' your special interest, I sincerely hope you're able to find an understanding mental health professional, who specializes in Asperger's.
Autism has existed for all of human history, millennials are the first generation where such a high percentage act like children well into adulthood. There’s nothing wrong with liking something juvenile (such as Pokémon) as an adult, but if you show up to a job interview wearing a Charzard shirt I’m not going to hire you. And adults going to Disney Land alone is just flat out weird.
Love the content but I don’t see a problem with people taking a stand for a living wage after getting screwed over by elites for so long.
Fun timeline but kinda lost me when the UBI thing got compared to kids wanting more of daddy's money lol that is such a weird way to twist this
Everytime he made a personal comment he ruined it. "Amber heard joke" "woman moment" yeah okay... More like white man moment. Tone deaf and pretentious as fuck.
Its literally what it is.
I think the title of the movie was meant as It’s her first kill as an “Orphan and Esther”, not her first ever kill as Leena. So it makes kinda sense now.
In regards to Leena drowning at the 44:30 moment, her neck is broken from the mom's kick. Leena is dead.
Until the writer decides she isn't, not like they care about continuity or logic
Leena's not real so she can be alive if the writers want her to be.
@@liliesrnice Your playlists are embarrassing.
As many has pointed out there is an alternate ending that shows her back in the house when the police arrive and with the director "developing" an Orphan 3, she could very well be alive.
@@thomaslewis6613 I remember the alternate ending. However, I would hope they would plan the sequel based on the theatrical release. Of course, Rob Zombie ignored his theatrical release of Halloween when creating Halloween 2.
I love these movies. Leena is one of my favourite villains. Great job Zac
And the irony of a RUclipsr having these economic/generational views when you literally benefit from an era where you can make a living wage talking about stuff in your room and putting it on the internet. And many RUclipsrs, especially from the early years of this site are also millennials, who had to deal with the criticisms of older generations claiming that they needed to get real jobs. This site is successful mostly because millennials got tired of the traditional route of trying to get ahead and make a living. Which is proving to no longer be what it once was.
Yeah I like the video an the analogy to the extended-childhood problem, but that rant went way too long that I had to raise my eyebrow at it. It was weirdly personal
Thanks! I had the same thought. Why would he bash a whole generation? Unnecessary and immature.
Yeah the part were he says he's not letting himself be defined by his childhood when he's making a living of analyzing and making detailed timelines of movies that came out during his childhood/teenager's years sound incredibly hypocrite. And besides it's hardly the first time that family all lived together during times of economical duress. There's nothing inherently millennial about it, and they aren't even the most affected by unemployment, it's gen Z. And yet no one goes and criticize them for 'being lazy' or going to amusement parks. So that whole point felt unnecessary and overdone.
I work a real job and will likely never afford to leave home. I do fucking security making little over minimum wage and I have been doing security for 6 years. I can barely afford what few bills I manage and I make damn near $600 a week
1. Only a small percentage of content makers can make a living making videos in their room.
2. Anyone can be concerned about the well-being of others and the societal effects of poverty.
Having a living wage doesn't mean that you can't be concerned about people being able to earn a living wage.
yeah okay but the universal basic income isn't about "being given an allowance" it's about not working yourself to death for 50 years because otherwise you have to decide wheter to eat this month or have a place to sleep. Would be nice to make my rent doing videos on youtube but not everybody has an opportunity to do this, so the rest of us spends our life behind a desk, seeing our family for like 1/5 of a month. UBI is about giving people what they deserve for existing - housing, food, and pleasures, and an opportunity to work on what they love, not what they have to do to survive. You do great research about movies, would be useful to make great research about movement like this as well before you start mocking people for wanting to not starve or die of stress before they hit their 40s
also millenials arent stuck as "childish" because of cartoons. World fucking sucks and everything is dying, we are all depressed and refusing to have children because it would be cruel to give life in a dystopia. Not being able to buy a house is not childish, and nostalgia is the only thing keeping those people together, and it's still by a thread. The whole take is completely ignoring the generational trauma that concerns all of us. Could've done it without that part, my guy.
Well said ❤
I 100% agree, like I’m so sorry but a RUclipsR critiquing how other people get money/deserve money is so daft and tone deaf.
The federal minimum wage is literally still $7.25 but this guy who makes his living from RUclips thinks UBI is the issue…. like be forreal.
Like you said I love his videos but that social commentary was stoked in ignorance and he should just stick with the timelines 🤷🏾♂️
Gen Zers are right behind y’all. Thanks for paving a way for us.
@@croissant2882people are just mad because millennials opened their eyes and looked around for once
To be fair to the memory thing, memory is very subjective for people.
Some are able to recall a lot of things from childhood while others really aren’t able to.
Blahblahblah u wrong
@@cdogthehedgehog6923 who asked you?
@@Rebelheart1985 uhh sweetie. This is a public forum on a social media service. I dont need your permission to comment and correct your ass sweetheart.
@@Rebelheart1985 this is a public forum on a social media platform. You dont want comments? Dont comment.
I agree! I can remember quite a bit of my childhood and can remember as far back as age two. I’ve met some people who have no memories of their childhood until the age of like, 11 and then they can remember from that point on and it baffles me.
I was with you until the weird rant about living wages and such... also, just wanted to add, not having a uterus doesn't get rid of your libido, it dosen't really change anything about hormone production.
i agree. you'd think a youtuber who probably makes less than minimum wage on ad revenue would want a universal living wage. But he probably has no empathy for early-stage millenials, being a early-stage Gen Zer. its too bad.
I know 😅 I was like uh blud. The female body is not your specialty. I’m gonna need you to point out the clit on a chart to redeem yourself lmao 😂
@@wasuptime a RUclipsr with over a million subs is not making less than minimum wage
Yeah, wtf was that? Super weird 😬
Nothing wrong with adding extra information for the sake of context or education, plus his entire channel is about giving information for entertainment and education
I see nothing wrong with wanting a living wage
Yeah. I was liking the video until the end where he starts rambling about unrelated political stuff he doesn't know about.
Oh thank god I found others taking issue with that. The basic income isn't "because daddy didn't give them an allowance". I've been working since I was 17 (28 now), and it's genuinely become more difficult to survive. Really wish he didn't bring politics he doesn't understand just to be "hee hee hoo hoo funni"
I dont understand why you USAn did not demanded it sooner. Heck, my country workers union revolted in 1997 resulting of 5 cold-case murders and many arrest, and now we have yearly evaluation of basic income for workers. It is hard, and may cause many problem, but dude, nobody sleep in the car when they are working in Indonesia, and we eat none of those junk food but actually hot meals. 😢 arent we supposed tobe the poor 3rd world country!? I'm has worked as HR personnel, still gobsmacked when USAn sheepishly asked about sick leaves quota. Like what quota? Are you planning to get sick? How? Just give me sick notes from the doctors (we have universal health care for workers, mandatory by law, but you better not faked it, those notes could get you 5 years in prison) you'd get paid sick leave, paid maternity leave for 90 days, and 2 days unpaid without doctor's note. Not to mentioned religious or national holidays, paid, yearly paid leave,What happened to you guys? Even I get mad-rage hearing the treatment of workers in USA.😢
@@nurlindafsihotang49it's BECAUSE of people like CZsWorld here, who constantly attack and belittle the concept
It will consistently drive up costs
As a Millennial(I’m 38), trying to put us, or anyone else from a particular generation into a box is just lazy. And of course, being born in a particular generation, and being exposed to things in/from that generation, is out of our control. It’s essentially all we would know growing up along side it.
Didn't set up the housing market, either. Guess we should have bought a house when we were 3 years old? How dumb of us! We can't afford to have a kid on the average wage. I went to college, but the cost of surviving (not living). We were set up for failure.
Would be nice if the 1% had to actually pay taxes. Or if we got to vote to give ourselves a raise every year or so. 🙄
Somebody said it. Also as another Millennial, I feel very much attacked. But its to be expected since yall have no idea about shit forreal
@angelface925 Would be nice if we shrunk the government and only paid taxes on things we need so that we could keep more of our own income that rightfully belongs to us.
And a lot of us didn't really had the chance for a childhood due to being raised by boomer parents, plus, due to that we have some mental health issues that were undiagnosed all our lives. This feels like he's just throwing shade at us millenials for some god forsaken reason
I'm not a millennial but I felt his comments were rude and unjustified. Every generation has there issues and bad examples. Just felt like he was punching down for no good reason.
Boiling down the basic wage increase to "daddy wouldn't give them allowance" is pretty bullshit lmao. I'm working a "big boy" job and barely making over minimum wage and barely paying what few bills I have to pay. Is it true that raising minimum wage will only stifle the problem? Yeah, but what other option do we have? Stop paying for anything, including necessities, until corporations have no choice but to drop the prices? You'd be more likely to convince a rock to be sand.
Yeah, that part of the video was incredibly cringe.
Seems to me that his take was kinda out of touch and insensitive.
CZsworld is right. Cry me a river if you think it is insensitive. Harden the f*ck up
all the people in this thread that want some sort of hand out government wage is what is cringe.
@sentryogmixmaster that's why we pay taxes. So the government can help it's people by providing things in times of need. Not so they can get their 13th pay raise for the year despite only denying laws instead of fucking doing anything at all. Our economy is going to shit, but I'm so glad the 15 90 year old congressmen made 2mil more than they did last year. Thank god they can afford their 15th vacation home I was so fucking worried that they wouldn't be able to.
50:51 What's wrong with asking for a basic income according to inflation though? "... Grown people marching the streets because daddy wouldn't give them allowance"?? We get it dude you make good money making videos on youtube but not all jobs pay a liveable wage to the point multiple jobs are barely a solution
That's something I never expected from CZ, the literal expectation from the classic douche rich dude
And here we are, he did it
I am diagnosed with BPD. Its symptoms overlap with a lot of other conditions which makes it difficult to diagnose correctly.
It is possible that Leena has BPD which became worse over time because I doubt she was ever diagnosed, so it was left untreated.
EDIT: It is common for mentally disturbed people to exhibit enhanced physical strength when experiencing emotional distress because they utilise ‘hysterical strength’.
I’ve got BPD too and I definitely feel weird about him bringing in a real, highly stigmatized disorder for this timeline. It doesn’t feel necessary to “diagnose” her to understand Leena’s character and motivations. It made me feel icky ngl
@@hanna__7391Yeah I have BPD and it's icky AF lol
People with BPD do have empathy💀
Yeah my grandma and mom both have it (I was screened but the doctor said it missed me completely somehow). They are both raging home wreckers like Leena but both will cry at sad stories and really do love others… until they don’t. Leenas also a psycho though so that’s the difference.
As a teacher, I think a good job for Leena would be a school secret shopper. She could go in as a new student and report back on how the school was. Teachers behave very artificial around inspectors so it would be a good way around it
Woaw woaw woaw Universal Basic income its a bit more complicated than just " A dad giving an allowance to a kid". Long story short it also has to do with wealth redistribution, keepjng a healthy democracy and keeping a balance in the power relationships in society. Apart from that nice vid.
That pretty much ruined the entire video for me.
Yeah that part really did not sit well with me. I mean, "whining about a basic income because daddy wont give us an allowance"? I'm sure as a RUclipsr, he's set or whatever, but that felt insulting to people literately just asking for a livable wage today.
This is my first video from this guy. Probably my last. He sounds as wormy as he looks. Also, Mistplay? Thats some scammy ass stuff right there.
@@TDArulesclub4yeah. That was such a condescending strawman that screams
"I don't know what I'm fucking talking about."
@@durrdurrier503same. I saw that ad and was wary but gave him a shot anyway. Then I get to the end and he betrayed that trust.
Also. It's hilarious that he complains about basic income at the end but is sponsored by fucking mistplay.
Hypocrisy much
Might be one of the worst takes ever about Mellennials tbh. I find in my line of work when it comes to dealing with Millennials, they are more adult then boomers who just complain and act like children when they don't get their way and think they are entitled to everything just cause of they upbringing. The system is made it harder to succeed in life now compared to 30+ years ago where you could work for a summer and pay for college or work a low wage job and still afford a house and a family. Wanting to play video games and watch anime has nothihg to do with becoming an adult. Lost a viewer
if I get 100 likes I will go study
Guys I have an A all good 🙏
Get those books ready
get that bag
go study rnnn
If you wanted to study you'd be studying already so... my advice is keep watching yt 😅
And study the very last minute... it always helped me... the pressure of not having much time helped me to learn/remember stuff faster (except math) so try that and report back if this method works for you as well.
Good luck!
I'm torn. As an adult, I say no like button smash, go study. As a rebel, I say, go, be free. 🤔🤔🤔
Y'had me until the UBI. Not only does it work in every test group, it would also ease inflation, and allow millenial groups to afford those basic "Adulting" steps such as vehicle, and home ownership. we're on a financial treadmill that our on average 2-3 jobs do not pay enough to escape.
Yeah been a fan of the channel for quite some time, and was really enjoying this one until the weird attack on millennials and against UBI. If this is the direction the channel will turn I’ll definitely be bouncing.
@@ghosts_are_real Thank The Lord I wasn't the only one who noticed that.
Honestly same. I was enjoying the video well until he tried to basically villainize millennials for (checks notes) wanting a livable wage. Definitely felt vibes of privilege since his RUclips career is set at least for a few years, it felt like he was looking down at people who didn't do RUclips.
It doesn't actually work. In every study, it works in a very short duration, but quickly shows that motivation to accomplish crashes among those who receive it as they quickly figure out how to live within the means of the check. We can see it in the UK too. A lot of people are in that sort of system, and we get treated to them having street fights because they're drug addled and bored, since they have no reason to get a job.
So maybe actually do research instead of reading biased tweets and baity headlines, you child.
@@GoldDustWoahman As a Millennial: All y'all whining are the same people pissing yourselves in insistence that your parents were Very Mean Boomers and Gen Z is the most mentally defunct generation ever.
So byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye
Since it's based on a real life thing that really happens its shocking to say but the actress who plays Esther is adorable
The actress is all grown up now so she graduated from adorable to sexy.
@darkseid6089 werid thing to say
@@darkseid6089gross
@@darkseid6089bro this not the time
@@darkseid6089uhh imma pretend I did not just read that
I could see a Lolita inspired movie where Leena manages to kill a man's wife, but he does have a thing for little girls, so they get together, but she didn't realize that getting what she wanted meant she would still be treated like a child and be controlled by the dad.
It's clear that Leena is now the protagonist of these movies, so it would make sense to have another film where we want to see her win against someone worse than her.
yes because then she’d realize what’s really going on and it would be the perfect v film
It's a bit of a tangent, but there's something oddly refreshing to see someone acknowledge that Lolita may as well be a horror story.
@invisible.fatman Pedophilia isn't a fetish. I'm not saying it should be shoehorned in for a cinematic story. A lot of media reflect what happens in real life, just like Lolita did for its author. It would be a multi layered message. One about how plenty of children in foster care or who get adopted end up being abused by predators. The other would be how a lot of kids and teens will have crushes on adults/teachers, but they end up finding out that it's not good if one of those adults likes them back.
Movies have helped people realize that maybe things aren't as safe as they seem. That there can be more to a situation and how we should be more cautious. A movie about Leena getting what she wants and finding out it's nothing like she dreamed can teach young adults the dangers of pursuing relationships with anyone over the age of 20 who are attracted to people that are their age.
Leena Klammer is a sociopath, not a psychopath. She feels genuine love for people she grows attached to. She also mourns the death of those she loves.
How do you not understand the concept of basic income, while being sponsored by fucking mistplay?
Thw scammiest company too
Her birthday is on April 20th?
Puts a whole new meaning to "blaze it."
Hitler was also born on the same day
@@JasonCan-wp2fu Welp, his blazing it surely has an even WORSE connotation. Yikes.
CZsWorld going more than 5 minutes without shoehorning in some misogynystic remark challenge. Level: impossible 😂
Between that and his very boomer take on UBI it makes want to NEVER watch this channel
Examples?
@@gennybaratta2460his social commentary towards the end is pretty horrendous and shocking
@@AlbyMarzalso the absolutely unnecessary joke about amber. like i came here to watch a timeline, not jokes about dv and sa victim
yeah ive been putting up with it for way too long and this video was the final straw, plus that weird rant towards the end
This movie is the one reason I have never adopted an older-than-normal orphan.
Leena out here ruining it for everyone.
Maybe that's why I haven't gotten adopted
@@derphh😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@derphhCZ out there ruining it for everybody 🤪😜😝
Older than normal... well, define "normal"?
I really enjoyed the twist in the second film. It really answered my question of “so it’s gonna be another storyline of the first film?”
I read this, fan theory that Lena was sexually abused by her father after their mom died
He would always tell Lena that he couldn’t wait for her to become a woman so that he could marry her
And when Lena was diagnosed with dwarfism, her father became angry and physically, abusive, because she wouldn’t mature into a woman
That’s what led her to snap and kill him
Daddy wouldn't give us allowance? And not taking responsibility for our actions? Bro. Wtf. We're in our 30s and 40s. Most of us have careers and families. What is this at the end?
Yeah, the vid went from a fun discussion on a dumb horror franchise into an uninformed rant on a political topic, a guy being sponsored by fucking mistplay has no business ranting about.
Strawmans the basic wage movement about wanting daddys allowance.
Meanwhile is getting allowance from an app that's most likely run by a guy in india making phone calls under the false name of Dave.
Like, Hypocrite much?
@@1slayer959 seriously. All of this. I agree with you
He went from reasonable to downright hostile for seemingly no reason. It made no sense.
I think people seriously just misunderstood what he meant. I don't think he was saying these things himself, but calling out what others say online. I.e, housing being so crazy literal adults have to live with their parents, adults trying to live through their childhood with nostalgia. Making the general idea online that millennials just being grown children. I've seen him be deliberately mean before, and I really don't think this is it lol especially with the context that social media plays a big role on how millennials are seen
@@1slayer959A sponsorship is not an allowance. Carry on.
I remember making my own poster for an Orphan horror history. I wanted to send it to CZs, but I knew that he'd make this video one day! Good job, man!
31:46 I am a diagnosed psychopath, and not all of us are cold-blooded murderers. While we lack empathy, we understand the emotions of others and know how to react to avoid appearing abnormal. This ability also allows us to manipulate others very effectively.
I thought psychopaths were charming.
Do you ever cry
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
@@zk3957 yes, but it's on command
@@muzikveoyun37 because we know, what you want to hear
I’ve been wanting a horror history on Esther for a long time, especially after watching Orphan: First Kill. Thanks CZ
As someone with BPD(no childhood abuse just a really neglectful mother) we do move often simply bc we get bored. Our brains do not have a 'grey area' meaning we have no calm point were either extremely happy and all into something or extremely cold and disconnected. We tend to do drastic things that may put us in danger simply to get that joy that 'normal' people feel like dating abusive people, running away, fighting/hurting ourself, sleeping with people we dont know getting tattoos and piercings(which is a safer method) etc. It makes it hard to keep friends and relationships because one second were happy and in love then they do something we deem as 'wrong' and it shatters that view we have of them and leaves us angry and hateful towards them. Unlike bipolar disorder our mood swings last for days compared to bipolars quick turnover. It is extremely hard to live with the illness and many of us do end up taking our life because of it, living normally is hard and we tend to take personality traits from others both real life people and movie/tv show characters. It sucks since were always typically portrayed as bad/evil and many of us are not, I can only vouch for myself but I will say the movie portrayal of us tend to be strongly incorrect and very few of us ever become killers which makes sense since less than 1.6% of the population actually has a cluster B personality disorder.
You've clearly never met a person with Bi-Polar disorder, if you think their mood swings don't last for days..... 🙄
Are personality disorders really that rare? I'm gonna do some research on that because I think it's not that uncommon. Maybe I'm just thinking of alot of undiagnosed people that have it. I was diagnosed myself at age 18 after being diagnosed with BPD symptoms for the previous 4 years. You cant officially be diagnosed with a PD until age 18. But with years of finding the right medication and years of therapy I have it managed to where I am content most of the time and experience little symptoms anymore. DBT is the best kind of therapy for BPD. Dbt actually was made specifically for bpd!!! But it can he helpful for many other disorders.
@@kelsey2333 i was diagnosed at 13 which is extremely uncommon normally they wait til 18 to diagnose personality disorders but i had such obvious symptoms(including threats to kill others, lack of empathy, lack of remorse, antisocial behavior etc). With how many people are currently on earth 1% is still past 1mil people who have BPD specifically, there are other disorders like NPD(which is also have), HPD, APD etc that make the count much larger.
@@kelsey2333 but i was also diagnosed with autism, npd, depression/anxiety(stemming from a chronic illness), and touch aversion related to OCD.
I really wasn’t a fan of him bringing in BPD as a part of Leena’s timeline. It doesn’t add anything to our understanding of her character. This disorder is so misdiagnosed and misunderstood by professionals so it really isn’t a good idea to use it to analyze a fictional character. All it does is further misconstrue a heavily stigmatized disorder
21:30 "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
I love the deep dive and also that you mention the plot holes without saying they’re plot holes - but it purely reminds me of a time where Ryan George as ‘producer guy’ in a pitch meeting would ask all of the same questions you’d ask and then ‘writer’ guy would say ‘because the plot had to happen’ … you’re exceptionally generous when you detail plot holes made by the writers, though you call them out it’s much more gentle than the equally beloved Ryan George.
Hope you didnt strain something with how big of a reach that conclusion was
@@unitnumbera1 I know right, lol!
Felt pretty reachable to me.
@@ayaa.1351 The UBI thing?
The irony of a youtuber going on a jag about how infantilized millennials are and talking about how they need to take responsibility for their lives and get 'real jobs'. Are you serious?
yeah he kind of does this relatively often
Well RUclips is a real job if you work full time on it
@@zk3957 I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying that if HE was capable of getting a 'real job' he wouldn't be /here/ because the only thing that makes RUclips a 'real' job is the effort. It was supposed to be a social media platform like tiktok originally. But people managed to make careers out of it.. usually as a fluke because people liked their rambling or purposefully because they couldn't get a 'real job' elsewhere for some reason (usually because the economy is absolute garbage and it's impossible to get a 'real job' that pays enough to actually keep people alive without having to work multiple jobs or branch out into side gigs/alternatives like RUclips)
Yeah that part really did not sit well with me. I mean, "whining about a basic income because daddy wont give us an allowance"? I'm sure as a RUclipsr, he's set or whatever, but that felt insulting to people literately just asking for a livable wage today.
@@Veiled_Lepidopterathat is incredibly rude. And I bet he makes way more money than you. Ironic.
Orphan is one of my favorite horror movies and the reveal at the end was freaking awesome. The suspense and build up of dread scared the crap out of me 😁.
So she shares a bday with Hitler
Stop cuz the spongebob meme turning 30 plus having my first child at the same time literally felt like that 😂
I think Esther's apparent super strength is because she has slasher villain powers. They're always inhumanly strong.
10:20 Actually, the movie is not Poor Little Rich Girl, it's The Little Princess, a 1939 movie with Shirley Temple 🤓
That plot makes more sense. Being adopted by a rich guy after being an orphan.
Just that one little clip inside the TV frame, the rest of the scenes are from "Poor Little Rich Girl". Sarah in "The Little Princess" was not really an orphan since her father was alive nor was she adopted. Than again, Barbara from "Poor Little Rich Girl" wasn't an orphan either since her father was still alive too. Maybe Leena/Ester watches them because she wants to copy traits of Shirley Temple into her childlike persona. 🤷🏻♀
@@JustTanya. In the actual book Sara becomes an orphan and does eventually get adopted by a very wealthy man (her late father’s business partner) and her own family fortune is also restored. I haven’t seen the Shirley Temple version since I was a child, and I know they changed the 1997 version too, so I assume it also eventually turns out her father was miraculously alive after all in the Shirley Temple film?
@@MegCazalet Yeah, at the very end of the Shirley Temple movie she finds her father in the hospital. He was recovering and had amnesia though he would call out her name, the hospital staff just figured it was his condition. Eventually she finds him and tried to get home to remember her and he does. After she meets Queen Victoria I might add. LOL The 90s version, it has been a long time since I seen it but I think it was similar; her father was injured in the war and got amnesia. He just happened to be living next to the school and somehow towards the end he remembered his daughter and gets her back. Not that different to the Shirley Temple ending. I could be wrong though because I only saw that movie once many years ago. I prefer the Shirley Temple version. I haven't read the book since elementary school, almost 40 years ago, so I forgot quite a bit of it. I just remember the Shirley Temple version because I love all her movies and still watch them.
@@JustTanya. Mentioning any Shirley Temple's movies makes my skin crawl. That's not your guys' fault, but when you actually go back and watch the breadth of her career as a child, you realize there was not-so-subliminal messaging in all those movies that make a powerful indication to Lena's background of sexual abuse.
Can you do the horror history of Sidney Prescott after scream 7 is out already
I agree 100%, please do
the weird millennial rant at the end was strange “daddy didn’t give them enough allowance “ what? these ppl just want a living wage.
Then get a better job. Stop voting for bs politicians who want more taxes for "redistribution" programmes. Get creative with working for cash. Lots of choices. No need to expect another hard working citizen to pay for you when government could tax less and everyone gets to keep more of their OWN money.
Yea it was weird like damn im sorry we want to get paid more to survive
Yeah tbh Im hoping that part was sarcasm/irony? Because the whole infantalised millenials has, as far as I'm aware, been debunked. Glad Im not the only one that thought that was weird tho
I have been waiting for this video since forever.
What else do you want to see?
@@CZsWorldCannibal Holocaust! ;)
@@CZsWorldI know it's not 100% horror but would be interesting for a Horror History episode on Bill Cipher.
@@CZsWorld I'd love to see Foster's home for imaginary friends
@@CZsWorldchildren of the corn? Maybe a video explaining He who walks behind the rows?
The reason why we are so effectuated in so deep into nostalgia. It's because we are self-medicating with nostalgia. Looking back at the times where we could just go to school eat some cereal. Watch some cartoons or anime. Talk about wrestling disney cartoons disney movies. Without thinking about how am I going to pay my light bill. We're not afraid of growing up. We're afraid of being homeless because of the struggles. Of the modern day society of growing up. Everybody grows up but not everybody grows up and has problems. That's every millennial in america right now. Because we're either self-medicating with drugs. Over self-medicating with nostalgia. This is why this generation is so lonely. This is why this generation is so hooked on drugs. Because the world we live in is constantly pushing us down. When we try to grow up. You can't buy a car you don't have the money too. You can't afford an apartment you don't have the money too. The only way you can go to school is staying with your parents. Even then you try to move out finally. You can't because you have college debt. This is why our generation is not getting married not leaving home. So hooked on nostalgia. Because the freedoms of being an adult are not so free. Depression is increasing because of the not so free liberty. Of what the past generations could do as adults. You probably could back then buy a car for $5,000. $5,000 wouldn't get you any car today. $5,000 would barely get you a apartment and that apartment is not decent. The reason why millennials are not getting married right now. It's simply because they do not want to get into bigger than with somebody. So they wait later on when they're in a situation. That is better lucratively to find someone. So if that person does have debt. The debt won't be so outrageously huge for both of them. That's the sad thing about it the whole millennials. Don't want to grow up is not true we want to grow up like everybody. But we are having more hardships to become an adult.
0:11 "pituitary gland"
Bruh remember when Gravity Falls mentioned that shiz 💀
Also: would like to point out that her birthday just so happens to be April 20, meaning she shares her birthday with Hitler.
I had no idea the movie was inspired by a real crime case that happened in my country! I love that you deliver both horror lore and interesting facts from real life tied to it, amazing vid as always CZ 💙
hi gen x here,we had all the 80s cartoons that were literally made JUST to sell the toys the shows were created about. (just regarding your comment about the cartoons and millennials)
I’m a gen Z kid and honestly the comments from people on here are annoying. I honestly don’t think he meant any harm with it and was more just poking fun at the stereotypes. But sadly I think the way he did it went over everyone’s heads. If he did that with my generation I wouldn’t be in a tizzy about it and writing whole hate paragraphs. But I mean hey to each their own I guess.
@@kaylakhaos6739 calm down. no tizzy here. lol . *goes back to playing with my He Man and Transformer toys*
@@bodyfarmbrat oh I know it’s not you I’m sorry if my comment came across that way😂 I was just more so agreeing that everyone in every generation is like that. As well as adding that some people were just writing hate paragraphs cause he was poking some fun at their generation. And saying how if it was my generation he was poking fun at I wouldn’t have even bat an eye. And I looooove He-Man, my brothers grew up watching it so they showed it to me when I was younger.
@@kaylakhaos6739 💜🦄😎
I think the main reason millennials struggle is because during the time when we would usually be pursuing higher education, our alcoholic or pill addicted parents couldn’t help one bit. Add that the recession hit during this same time as well. A lot of older millennials were dealing with a lot of generational abuse and addiction issues with our parents, as when I (a millennial ) was a kid, it was completely normalized to beat your kids, and parents wanted you out of the house when you turned 18. Many of us had to get full time jobs straight out of high school and may have needed to shack up with other people our age so we had a place to live. This in turn may have led to having children too early, adding yet another roadblock and challenge to going to college. Millennials had to grow up too fast, which may be why we tend to enjoy childhood nostalgia
Every generation enjoys childhood nostalgia. I’m a gen z and still be watching things from my childhood for comfort (Disney, Scooby doo). And honestly I don’t think he meant any harm with what he said. I think it was more poking fun at the stereotypes of that generation which I mean a lot of people do. It’s done a lot to my generation, people call us the “kids who ate tide pods”. When in reality little to no one did that.
@@kaylakhaos6739 naw. If he was just poling fun.
He wouldn't have dropped that
"Daddy didn't give them allowance" bit
He was talking out of his ass on a topic he has no knowledge of at the end there
@@1slayer959 Honestly that bit was just poking fun to me. Truly don’t think he believes that dude. If so then yeah that’s kind of ignorant and in bad taste but he’s always made jokes in his videos and they weren’t serious so I’m taking what was all said as more satire than anything. Idk if satire is the right word but yeah.
@@kaylakhaos6739 if ya consider, enforcing a false mindset, both about a generation that has been unfairly criticized and a political movent that has been consistently pushed back against for decades despite the good it can do, "just joking."
You do you I suppose.
But to be frank. There are 2 versions of reality here.
1 that wasn't a joke. Or rather it was his legitimate opinion masked by humor. In which case. He's an ignorant piece of garbage.
Or it was a joke. In which case, it's extremely irresponsible of him to even entertain that concept.
@@1slayer959 You’re right in the sense if it wasn’t a joke than it was totally wrong of him. But no if it was just jokes than it’s comedy and comedy has no limits to it. Same thing with being satire. Again I say it about my own generation, we are the ones who get labeled even “lazier” than you guys and are the kids who “ate tide pods”. If he said stuff about my generation I wouldn’t have even cared because again it’s not something to take that seriously. But again that’s on the premise that it’s only jokes. If it isn’t jokes than yeah it’s not a great thing…
An Esther video was something I didn’t know I needed
Damn Esther could have lived happily with that guard that actually took interest in her.
@@fieryblaze1737 Nah.
Yeah, you’re right. I was just think that he may have been looking at her because of her appearance as a child, which is not right.
@fieryblaze1737 I think he knows she isn't a child at all. He just sucks. Leena × Allen, honestly.
Sad, sad and sad.
Can you just stop diagnosing people with BPD when they are not officially diagnosed with it in the actual source material? Can't you just describe them as violent and cruel without tagging actual real people with an actual real diagnosis in it too? Most people with BPD are not abusive or violent. Some are, but so are also some plumbers, some blond people and some right handed people. BPD is not quite as socially bad diagnosis to have as narcissism or psychopathy but it holds firmly the second place, it is not one you'd ever want to admit to having because people will assume you must be a horrible person because of it, and throwing the diagnosis around willy nillly does not exactly help. People think that all people with BPD are violent and abusive, because people like you keep telling them that every other violent and abusive person has BPD.
The "only surviving child" trope in this movie reminds me of Mikey. They both do share a very evil murderous history. All these "accidents" should raise more red flags.
Imagine not understanding UBI this bad lol
UBI is bullshit. You want an even BIGGER welfare state. Jeez.
You know what would also solve the economy? Removing useless jobs in the government and lowering taxes. Can't have both.
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I think the reason the doctors didn't notice the scars is because they never took off the ribbons in the first place. I think if they had tried, Esther would've said "ow that hurts, don't do that" because of the tenderness of the broken arm. That's why the doctors just put on the cast and sent them home.
Man i wanted to like this video so bad but the cheap, unprompted digs at women, millennials, and making fun of people wanting to be able to afford basic items made this video so much less enjoyable. I really think you could do so much better :(
That's the whole channel in a nutshell tbh. The topics seem interesting but the guy can't help making weird takes that have nothing to do with the movie in question. And he always makes cheap jokes about women. Sad really, because the videos have potential
Ffs. Grow a back bone. Stop being such a cry baby. If your feeewings get hurt, go cry about it in a ball pit with the rest of the children 😂. Some people are such soft losers
@@breathinghumanperson3855yep it’s me watching doing laundry and my husband walking in going ‘ah it white boy Wednesday? What shit takes we got today?’ 😂
Womp womp cope and seethe millennial female.
I am glad you all said it. I think I just noticed it in this video but his take on millennials and women was like WOW to me. Glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed it.
It would be nice if they made a movie about Leena's early life and the actual first kill, since the crime scene photos look very intriguing. The story could be told by Max, who is an adult now.
I think Orphan: First Kill included the phrase "First Kill" cuz Leena is new in US meaning that it's her First American killings
As someone who once worked in a foster care agency, Sister Abigail is likely going off of information given by Esther and the police reports. If that information was sketchy, it explains why her information is also sketchy.
Zac is my favorite horror movie teacher
Hey love your content! Can't wait for your next video. How about diving into the Evil Dead Books of the Dead? They're such a big part of the series' mythology, and it'd be epic to see you break it down!
Cz can you do a video on the history of the leprechaun from the leprechaun franchise next?
I didn't expect to feel so attacked at the end of the video lol
God what a hard right turn. "People want UBI to compensate for the allowance their daddies didn't give them" says the youtuber who survives off of the goodwill of people looking to be entertained in their dwindling amount of free time while they work real jobs 🙄
This should be the top comment
Bro , I swear to god I literally keep checking to see if I was watching the same video playing cause what the fuck was that ? Where did that even come from ?
I'm relieved I'm not the only person that was kinda rubbed the wrong way by that
Truth hurts...
@@OJsLeftGlove my guy there are people working multiple jobs and still barely scraping by. There is exactly 0 truth to his whining rant about people wanting to be able to afford to live without working themselves to death. People literally just want to be well off enough that taking a sick day or two isn't going to drastically affect their ability to pay for necessities.
As an older millennial (42), during the 2008 financial crisis, i had just started my career and everything came to a screeching halt. It was a rough patch to be sure.
27:00, i find it so funny he says this when there are hundreds of actions movies where men do the same thing of leaving a burning buolding in a fire outfit.
Why can't you just have a logical breakdown of a movie without being misogynistic and trying to make it into a joke? Sheesh.
Givin the fact that she clearly shows signs of psychosis the intense strength could be a result of that
14:35 damn when you realize his jokes actually suck it ruins the videos :// he used to not include so many personal opinions
The first Orphan aired on a Halloween marathon on one of the cable networks at my father's house back in 2022, and I was disturbed but hooked. Also, I find it hilarious that Jimmy Bennett, a child actor who voiced Roo in the Winnie-the-Pooh direct to video movies between 2003-2008 and was in the 2009 Robert Rodriguez anthology film Shorts, was tortured by Leena who attempted to kill him multiple times throughout Orphan. Even actors who starred or voiced in lighthearted children's material can be present in more darker pieces of media. It's like how Haley Joel Osment voiced Sora and Vanitas in the Kingdom Hearts series, but had a history of being casted in horror, starting with M. Night Shaymalan's The Sixth Sense, and later on with Kevin Smith's Tusk and 2019's Shockingly Wicked, Cruel, and Vile. Or Axel/Lea(alongside Reno Sinclair, N. Gin, Victor & Moritz, Chick Guzzard Lips, Jonny Quest, and Sheldon Lee)'s VA Quinton Flynn narrating the 2015 ID true crime series I'd Kill For You. Makes sense because he voices either ax-crazy or badass characters(and both with Raiden in the Metal Gear series for example), and red-haired anti-heroes/protagonists in JRPG franchises. A lot like who Charles Martinet voiced both a red plumber and cool dragon in an E and M rated IP(Super Mario and The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim). Insane, huh?
Lena's story was interesting especially the movies 🤔 but the 2nd one after learning her story I was actually feeling bad for her & cheering her on 😂 at the end
"I'm not your fucking mommy!" is one of my favourite lines from any horror movie. Great video dude!
I'm pushing 30, but due to genetics I look like a teenager which makes other teens bully me. I'm not even anywhere near a school! I'm just waiting for the bus! Why is this my life?!
I also look like a teen at 33. I just tell th3m "at least im old enough to legally drink" 😂
@@sabrinastratton1991 I say "at least my parents played with me, tablet baby!" 🤭
🫠sometimes I wish the United States was like my parents country of Honduras 🇭🇳were bullying isn’t tolerated ppl there fight you regardless age & sometimes slaughter eachother with no dire consequences of law enforcement & jail. Only time face consequences like jail there is if you do it to some important person or get caught in act.
Same 😮💨 I thought when I will grow up I will escape bullying - I was wrong. Now I'm laughed at by both teens and adults for looking too young 😬
The characters backstory not being able to be kept straight is a bigger reflection of the foster care system than people want to admit
Aye but the institute also had wrong data no? I like the reason for the families name being wrong being explained by that but I doubt it was intentional
Please don't promote scam websites if you really love your subscribers
I liked everything up until the badtalking of universal basic income. I'm someone with a near-full-time job who helps support their family and UBI would be a godsend. It isn't people who are just upset because daddy wouldn't give the money, it's people who don't have the money to go around and have to make difficult choices between rent, food, and gas. It's kinda a shame that you chose to see something that could help so many struggling people as just "WAAHH WAAHH GIMME MONEY!"
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As a millennial myself the biggest problem now isn't that millennials are not growing up. It's not really the millennial fault. The system we live in now makes it harder for millennials. At large to live get married go to school. The biggest things that past generations can do. We can't
get married because our separate debt becomes shared debt. We can't really get an apartment for ourselves let alone the house. Because we have to pay these higher student loans. Trying to buy a car literally is impossible so we have to get notes. To keep that car and the notes are extreme prices. And even then you have to choose do I eat today. Or do I have to pay rent and pay my car note. Along with paying my other utility bills. With a minimum wage that's not minimum.
Suck it up princess
Amazing intro, and the boob slider thing is true. Evryone knows that almost every sims player needs to be on a list, a lot of us act like evil gods. But that slider was 100% for the “breed out the ugly” challenge and some of the people who play that are crazy😭
I was just watching an Andre the Giant documentary and his pituitary gland overworked on him. He had the opposite which was acromegaly.
It’s just interesting how this is the third time I’ve heard about the pituitary gland today. Not something that normally pops up even in medicinal and murder documentaries
Synchronicity. Hmmm. A very unusual thing to see on repeat. Maybe you need to grow or something is stunting your growth. Or maybe it signifies that you have grown. Neat.
Leena does survived falling into the pond. There's a scene after the credits and the police find her painting, and she still introduces herself as Esther
I thought that was an alternate ending.
A few days late for my birthday. But a great gift nonetheless for one of if not my favorite horror villains. Thank you CZ.
The condition Esther has is technichally a thing, but it is a very fictionalized portrayal. It literally means "Low pituitary action." For one, it stunts growth, but a child can be given some growth hormone, and even if they don't receive that treatment, they'll be small, but they will still look their age. They age normally and will develope some breast and hips. Also, it usually does not occure on it's own. It's usually a symptom of another condition, such as a tumor near the gland, or TS, or others.
Hey CZ good morning to see you again
Good morning (I stayed up too late)
@@CZsWorldI did too .
Now that would make for an interesting episode of Film Theory. Orphan 3 theorized to not feature Leena at all, but rather two parents that became fans of her story.