Hi Juice, I've been using SimHaptic after dumping Hapticonnect for a couple of weeks as well and have been more than pleased! I am curious what your Buttkicker amplifier settings are in terms of volume and filters as well.
With the power on, I have 55 in the high cut off frequency 30 on the volume and the low filter cut off is not illuminated, which I think means off. Remember, everybody said he's gonna be different depending on their seat what type of contact with the floor on carpet and how sensitive their butt is… Some of us have more tush tush for the Kush
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP yea, I am still tweaking my settings. The first few times I flew with SimHaptic I had issues with my transducer powering off due to heat, so I am gathering more info about people's volume settings to inform my own tweaks. Thanks for the help and the video!
I purchased Sim Haptic to replace Hapticonnect based upon your recommendation. Sim Haptic’s default settings for the A10CII blows Hapticonnect out of the water. I anticipate only having to make minor adjustments, if any. Thanks again for the recommendation!
I've been looking at this since I sim race (single-player) and was curious how well it worked with DCS. Seeing your video has me on board now. Time to work it into my budget.
I'm gonna do a video today on what pooch shared with me on our meeting about you can fly a mission and do all the weighted profiles that you want to evaluate and then review it in the track file and adjust your settings even track your flying for you.
I was using SRS, but the haptic functionality in DCS is limited. I have downloaded SimHaptic with the 7 day trial, I think I will end up purchasing it.
I purchased my Buttkicker Plus based upon your review and I love it, but the software is awful. I’m going to purchase the Sim Haptic software today. Thanks for the review.
Somebody pointed out that they put my video on their website and didn't even even ask me or let me know. Yeah happy to connect like a lot of manufacturer software. There's always something better out there that they should just go ahead and buy.
I'm not a BK owner but I use 2x Dayton audio BST-1s. I previously had sim shakers but got fed up with endless tweaking, some things feeling a bit fake and a fair bit of desync in effects. I tried not using any telemetry software and I now love it. Have you tried This? I spilt my game sounds so I run game and headphones to my headset and a separate game sound channel with a high frequency cut off and low frequency boost. Works very well, perfect timing and as rich as whatever sound the module comes with. Some are better than others for sure but for example the Apache gun feels more as cpg than plt, because its a louder sound. Buffets and bullet hits - all perfectly in time. I really like it.
Cool to see you went also to SimHaptic like you said , I am using SimHaptic since it came out , I am using it with DCS and Flight Simulator 2020 was using a Buttkicker 2 now I have a Buttkicker Game plus . Its install on a Next Level Racing : Pro Flight Chair its works great way better then Hapticonnect :) Just wondering what you setting for Sound Volume in SimHaptic ( I think you said 30) and what is the Level for Volume from the Buttkicker Amplifier ? , For me I have Volume at 10% and Using High Cut off at 80 and Volume at 40 , can you share your setting for the Gamer Plus
With the power on, I have 55 in the high cut off frequency 30 on the volume and the low filter cut off is not illuminated, which I think means off. Remember, everybody said he's gonna be different depending on their seat what type of contact with the floor on carpet and how sensitive their butt is… Some of us have more tush tush for the Kush!
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP You are right its juts to compair , BUT from Buttkicker flier manual it was suggested to have cut off at 80 so that's why I was asking but since there is also volume in SImHaptic and does goes having effect on the Amplifier but am checking about the Buttkicker going so HOT its shut down and wandering why I dont see much peoples talking about it and my Flying seat is really rigid but do love a lots of rumble and since I can compair this to my Buttkicker II I was using just 2 Month ago , Even do USB works better because effect are more real , the Buttkicker II never went overheating and was shaking louder then my Gamer Plus !?
Have you tried SimShaker For Aviators and the SimShaker for sound? I tried SimHaptic briefly flying helicopter. I had to uninstall SimHaptic due to an unrelated bug so couldn't give it a full test but at least using SimHaptic with default settings It just produced a constant rumble that didn't change with flight status. I can say that at least out of the box SSA and SS for sound was better for helicopter flight. I'm using an HF8 seat pad and two 50w Bass shakers with 100w Dayton Audio sub amp. I'll try reinstalling SimHaptic and modify the default settings and see if it equals or exceeds what effects I get with SSA and SS sound module. SSA is freeware and the SS for sound is 29.99 so same price as SimShaker.
I looked at some shaker for aviators and the interface looked a little busy for me, but I guess it's fine. I just never got a chance to test it before discovering SIM haptic, but I guess out of the big three that people told me about. Is that one plus the one that I just downloaded and Sim hub. But I probably will not just go out and test all of them.
For helicopters specifically, I'd recommend SSA over SimHaptic simply due to SimHaptic lacking any feedback for some of the helicopter specific stuff such as VRS.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP For what it's worth, by the way, they did mention that VRS and ETL will be added at a later date when I asked them about it on their youtube channel.
Only downside I see is that program is not compatible with the PS5. I have a dual purpose sim rig and use it to drive in Gran Turismo 7 with my PSVR2 and DCS on PC with my Quest 3. Hapticonnect works with both systems. I'm still going to try this one out though
Ok, I just flew around in my F-16 for a couple of hours after installing the trial of SimHaptic and it is 1000% better than flying without the buttkicker. I never want to fly without it. SimHaptic is a great program
I purchased SimHaptic based on this video.😊 I have a problem. SimHaptic does not recognize when I begin a flight. Not sure what I’m doing wrong. The test function works. But DCS not recognized. Any ideas?
Thanks for this information DJ! The product is very solid but the software is lacking in many ways. I am working in my garden this morning but will be testing Sim-Haptic further this afternoon in DCS with a replay trick.
You miss the point of these tools: They use telemetry from DCS to give you feedback from events, not just vibration when the sound rumbles... You can feel ETL, weapons release, touchdown, rotor movements etc. more like ForceFeedBack for your butt, instead of the hand, holding the joystick. 😊
That's a good solution and workaround, but it still uses the volume input instead of telemetry from the game for each weighted point. It's harder to dial in, but it's still a very viable option and good recommendation.
@@shagrat47 I do understand what it does and am not missing the point of anything, and I can feel all of those things through the sub that is mounted inside the base of my chair. It's honestly amazing that it works as well as it does and I was happily surprised at the results. I've taken an old 12" sub and placed it into the base of the gaming chair that I have(an old X Rocker chair that has a base for storage under the seat) and filled the space between the speaker cabinet and the walls of the base with 2x4's so there is complete point of contact with the sub on every plane, including the actual seat part of the base. This thing absolutely JUMPS!
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP I've made it sound a bit more simple than it is, and leveraged a little out of the box thinking to get there, but for anybody that has similar things laying around the house, what I described to shagrat47 in my other comment could be a great feedback solution. It works surprisingly well and is quite effective!
Hey Juice, I did the same thing and switched to Sim Haptic. Is there a way to eliminate activating the kicker for comms? eg, Talking to the carrier, removing wheel chocks, etc
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP the issue I had with my mini was the amplifier. It wasn’t the stock but kicker amplifier. I bought the gamer plus and got the correct amplifier and now running both the mini and the plus.
Good tip and I also discovered that if you hit full list on the bottom right of the Settings it expanded the full list of control input so I can see them all at one time which was pretty cool. I didn't have to reach over and slide the slider up. I have to show that in the next video. Thanks for your input.
Do you still have to have hapticonnect software installed? I just bought the buttkicker, installed Simhaptic and I get no vibrations. I tried a type C connection then the Y connector and I hear the sound through my speaker, the lights flicker on the buttkicker amp but there is no output to the shaker? What am I doing wrong?
Did you get a buck kicker gamer plus or pro? All you have to do is plug in the USB cord that goes to your amplifier and then plug it in your computer start up the software and then the drop-down select butt kicker on the choices for your output. You'll see my video where I talk about the things that I had to do before I went into the individual settings.
Pro. When you say software are you talking about sim haptic or buttkickers software. When I use the usb I get no sound from my speakers . I got it to work though (buttkicker) by adjusting the wires going into the kicker. But the only way I get sound and the kicker is using the 3.5 mm Y cable.
My sound is independent of the buttkicker and I hear sound normally. My buttkicker amplifier is plugged into usb and set up automatically when launching DCS.
I have the butt kicker gamer, plus and profiles would be totally different for the pro and the plus and it also makes a difference of what seat rig you're using because some are more beefy than others and the vibrations are felt through them more. Another thing is, I haven't set mine yet. It's still being adjusted and set up for different aircraft. Unfortunately, you have to go through the pain of setting it up initially to situation and preferences.
So I have a pair of transducers bolted under my Sim Seat. I split the optical audio output as it leaves my cpu and crossover (filter) anything below 100hz to go to the transducers. Why do I need 3rd party software to be in the middle? That's a legit question not a snark. I always felting the 3rd party aircraft developer used good audio from actual Jets I wouldn't need anything else?
If you don't need it, you don't need it. This is about replacing the original butt kicker software and since you don't have a butt kicker, I think you just clicked on the wrong question by mistake.
My question being, is if the original source file is sending the full audio spectrum then why are any of these software companies debated? Seems to me we're assessing which of these companies is manipulating the source code to what's most satisfactory to the listner which can't be anything but subjective.
I don't think that applies here as this uses endgame perimetry points, which are mapped to haptic feedback points, unrelated to the sound. There is an option to use it through sound quality for guys that don't have a USB haptic device however we don't do that here we use the actual USB option directly using game to limit. But I think if you google it or go to their website, they may have information on that for you. Our video specifically about butt kicker and sim haptic
Hey, do a trial for seven days and see how it works with sound because all of the guys in our group have haptic devices like butt, kicker or seat pads with amplifiers.
Safest bet is to uninstall. I've had multiple shake software apps installed at once and forgot they can auto launch in the background. Its a great way to overheat your amplifier super quick.
@AIRWARFAREGROUP I hope this makes sense. I have added a second output to separate the two kickers. I noticed that they couldn't both vibrate at the same time. For instance, if Im pulling Gs wail in full afterburner, I can't feel the afterburner until i stop pulling Gs. I'm curious if this is software related or like a sound card issue. Is anyone else having this issue or may know a fix?
Hard for me to evaluate this cause I'm not running my butt kicker through sound card. I'm using the USB to PC connection for telemetry input from the game.
You talking about the interface on screen? I don't have VR but you can set it up on screen and then you don't have to change it every day. Alt Tab or mouse the interface to minimize. Let us know what you find. Free trial for 7 days.
I spoke with the developer and he flies VR with it. He started with CV1, then G2, and now Quest 3. I'm going to have him on in September on Bottle-To-Throttle.
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Hi Juice, I've been using SimHaptic after dumping Hapticonnect for a couple of weeks as well and have been more than pleased! I am curious what your Buttkicker amplifier settings are in terms of volume and filters as well.
With the power on, I have 55 in the high cut off frequency 30 on the volume and the low filter cut off is not illuminated, which I think means off. Remember, everybody said he's gonna be different depending on their seat what type of contact with the floor on carpet and how sensitive their butt is… Some of us have more tush tush for the Kush
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP yea, I am still tweaking my settings. The first few times I flew with SimHaptic I had issues with my transducer powering off due to heat, so I am gathering more info about people's volume settings to inform my own tweaks. Thanks for the help and the video!
Let us know how it goes!
@@BlackMage11 I am right there with you having heat issue as well and tweaking for best setting for it as well
I purchased Sim Haptic to replace Hapticonnect based upon your recommendation. Sim Haptic’s default settings for the A10CII blows Hapticonnect out of the water. I anticipate only having to make minor adjustments, if any. Thanks again for the recommendation!
Hope you enjoy it!
I love SimHaptic.
Using it with 1 buttkicker and 4 shakers ...it just works!
Thanks for the reply. I was hoping BK would update the DCS plugin in.
Aircraft like the UH-1 have rotary inverters that whine and can show some vibration on power-up, so avionics can cause some noise and vibration.
I'll pass this on to RK apps.
I've been looking at this since I sim race (single-player) and was curious how well it worked with DCS. Seeing your video has me on board now. Time to work it into my budget.
I'm gonna do a video today on what pooch shared with me on our meeting about you can fly a mission and do all the weighted profiles that you want to evaluate and then review it in the track file and adjust your settings even track your flying for you.
I was using SRS, but the haptic functionality in DCS is limited. I have downloaded SimHaptic with the 7 day trial, I think I will end up purchasing it.
Thank you, guys. I've been missing out on using my buttkicker to its fullest potential.
I just regret that the butt kicker have to connect. Team couldn't measure up when they had so much potential.
Give this a try for free for seven days.
definitely worth it
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I purchased my Buttkicker Plus based upon your review and I love it, but the software is awful. I’m going to purchase the Sim Haptic software today. Thanks for the review.
Hope you enjoy it! Do the seven day trial and see what you think. You could always pay for it later or switch to something else.
okay I'm sold ordered my buttkicker yesterday
I messed around with it again today switching from the Apache to the hornet and it's amazing.
Sold. Done with Hapticonnect
Somebody pointed out that they put my video on their website and didn't even even ask me or let me know. Yeah happy to connect like a lot of manufacturer software. There's always something better out there that they should just go ahead and buy.
I just tested it out. It is light years ahead of Hapticonnect. Which lost some of its Viper functionality lately.
Some of the Hornet data points never worked.
I'm not a BK owner but I use 2x Dayton audio BST-1s. I previously had sim shakers but got fed up with endless tweaking, some things feeling a bit fake and a fair bit of desync in effects. I tried not using any telemetry software and I now love it. Have you tried This? I spilt my game sounds so I run game and headphones to my headset and a separate game sound channel with a high frequency cut off and low frequency boost. Works very well, perfect timing and as rich as whatever sound the module comes with. Some are better than others for sure but for example the Apache gun feels more as cpg than plt, because its a louder sound. Buffets and bullet hits - all perfectly in time. I really like it.
Sounds great, I never tried messing around with using sound except for one time with the HF8 Pad. Sim-Haptic is my go to for the BK.
Cool to see you went also to SimHaptic like you said , I am using SimHaptic since it came out , I am using it with DCS and Flight Simulator 2020 was using a Buttkicker 2 now I have a Buttkicker Game plus . Its install on a Next Level Racing : Pro Flight Chair its works great way better then Hapticonnect :) Just wondering what you setting for Sound Volume in SimHaptic ( I think you said 30) and what is the Level for Volume from the Buttkicker Amplifier ? , For me I have Volume at 10% and Using High Cut off at 80 and Volume at 40 , can you share your setting for the Gamer Plus
With the power on, I have 55 in the high cut off frequency 30 on the volume and the low filter cut off is not illuminated, which I think means off. Remember, everybody said he's gonna be different depending on their seat what type of contact with the floor on carpet and how sensitive their butt is… Some of us have more tush tush for the Kush!
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP You are right its juts to compair , BUT from Buttkicker flier manual it was suggested to have cut off at 80 so that's why I was asking but since there is also volume in SImHaptic and does goes having effect on the Amplifier but am checking about the Buttkicker going so HOT its shut down and wandering why I dont see much peoples talking about it and my Flying seat is really rigid but do love a lots of rumble and since I can compair this to my Buttkicker II I was using just 2 Month ago , Even do USB works better because effect are more real , the Buttkicker II never went overheating and was shaking louder then my Gamer Plus !?
I had it on the recommended setting for HaptiConnect but Sim-Haptic changed everything! 😀
Have you tried SimShaker For Aviators and the SimShaker for sound? I tried SimHaptic briefly flying helicopter. I had to uninstall SimHaptic due to an unrelated bug so couldn't give it a full test but at least using SimHaptic with default settings It just produced a constant rumble that didn't change with flight status. I can say that at least out of the box SSA and SS for sound was better for helicopter flight. I'm using an HF8 seat pad and two 50w Bass shakers with 100w Dayton Audio sub amp. I'll try reinstalling SimHaptic and modify the default settings and see if it equals or exceeds what effects I get with SSA and SS sound module. SSA is freeware and the SS for sound is 29.99 so same price as SimShaker.
I looked at some shaker for aviators and the interface looked a little busy for me, but I guess it's fine. I just never got a chance to test it before discovering SIM haptic, but I guess out of the big three that people told me about. Is that one plus the one that I just downloaded and Sim hub. But I probably will not just go out and test all of them.
For helicopters specifically, I'd recommend SSA over SimHaptic simply due to SimHaptic lacking any feedback for some of the helicopter specific stuff such as VRS.
That's cool. I will make that a point to evaluate on Sim haptic when I get to the Apache.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP For what it's worth, by the way, they did mention that VRS and ETL will be added at a later date when I asked them about it on their youtube channel.
@@khaledassaf6356Agreed! For helicopters, Simhaptic isn’t there yet.
Only downside I see is that program is not compatible with the PS5. I have a dual purpose sim rig and use it to drive in Gran Turismo 7 with my PSVR2 and DCS on PC with my Quest 3. Hapticonnect works with both systems. I'm still going to try this one out though
Thanks for the info!
Ok, I just flew around in my F-16 for a couple of hours after installing the trial of SimHaptic and it is 1000% better than flying without the buttkicker. I never want to fly without it. SimHaptic is a great program
Thanks, I agree with you and I sent your feedback to Roy the DEV!
Agreed
SimHaptic works much better
I purchased SimHaptic based on this video.😊 I have a problem. SimHaptic does not recognize when I begin a flight. Not sure what I’m doing wrong. The test function works. But DCS not recognized. Any ideas?
Doing a video now on it. If you have Discord, you can reach me at juice_awg to troubleshoot further.
Hey Juice! Once I get the Buttkicker system, I'm not installing the software they provide. Many reported bugs and issues with the software.
Thanks for this information DJ! The product is very solid but the software is lacking in many ways. I am working in my garden this morning but will be testing Sim-Haptic further this afternoon in DCS with a replay trick.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP awesome!
....poor man's "buttkicker".
If you have a good surround sound stereo setup, place a sub under your seat and voila! Works wonders for me.
You miss the point of these tools: They use telemetry from DCS to give you feedback from events, not just vibration when the sound rumbles...
You can feel ETL, weapons release, touchdown, rotor movements etc. more like ForceFeedBack for your butt, instead of the hand, holding the joystick. 😊
That's a good solution and workaround, but it still uses the volume input instead of telemetry from the game for each weighted point. It's harder to dial in, but it's still a very viable option and good recommendation.
@@shagrat47 I do understand what it does and am not missing the point of anything, and I can feel all of those things through the sub that is mounted inside the base of my chair. It's honestly amazing that it works as well as it does and I was happily surprised at the results. I've taken an old 12" sub and placed it into the base of the gaming chair that I have(an old X Rocker chair that has a base for storage under the seat) and filled the space between the speaker cabinet and the walls of the base with 2x4's so there is complete point of contact with the sub on every plane, including the actual seat part of the base. This thing absolutely JUMPS!
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP I've made it sound a bit more simple than it is, and leveraged a little out of the box thinking to get there, but for anybody that has similar things laying around the house, what I described to shagrat47 in my other comment could be a great feedback solution. It works surprisingly well and is quite effective!
I ran my sound thru Voicemeter Banana for my buttkicker and it was pretty good all right.
Using Simhaptic now, pretty happy
Hey Juice, I did the same thing and switched to Sim Haptic. Is there a way to eliminate activating the kicker for comms? eg, Talking to the carrier, removing wheel chocks, etc
It doesn't do it on my end, but I'm also using the USB to limit tree connection to the butt kicker and not going through the sound at all.
I’ll give it a whirl.
Hey Don, how did you ever get your mini working? Did you integrate it into the amp that came came with your other butt kicker?
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP the issue I had with my mini was the amplifier. It wasn’t the stock but kicker amplifier. I bought the gamer plus and got the correct amplifier and now running both the mini and the plus.
Hi, how did you run simhaptic while playing DCS?, thanks
Under settings, General, turn on Auto Start and Auto Exit...Enjoy!
@AIRWARFAREGROUP thank you so much!!!!!
Is there a trick other than checking the keep on top to keep the gui up. Mine stays on top until I select the gui and dcs minimizes.
Good tip and I also discovered that if you hit full list on the bottom right of the Settings it expanded the full list of control input so I can see them all at one time which was pretty cool. I didn't have to reach over and slide the slider up. I have to show that in the next video. Thanks for your input.
Do you still have to have hapticonnect software installed? I just bought the buttkicker, installed Simhaptic and I get no vibrations. I tried a type C connection then the Y connector and I hear the sound through my speaker, the lights flicker on the buttkicker amp but there is no output to the shaker? What am I doing wrong?
Did you get a buck kicker gamer plus or pro? All you have to do is plug in the USB cord that goes to your amplifier and then plug it in your computer start up the software and then the drop-down select butt kicker on the choices for your output. You'll see my video where I talk about the things that I had to do before I went into the individual settings.
Pro. When you say software are you talking about sim haptic or buttkickers software. When I use the usb I get no sound from my speakers . I got it to work though (buttkicker) by adjusting the wires going into the kicker. But the only way I get sound and the kicker is using the 3.5 mm Y cable.
My sound is independent of the buttkicker and I hear sound normally. My buttkicker amplifier is plugged into usb and set up automatically when launching DCS.
Thanks for this. Just got my Buttkicker Pro. Are you able to share your profile please. New to this. Thank you
I have the butt kicker gamer, plus and profiles would be totally different for the pro and the plus and it also makes a difference of what seat rig you're using because some are more beefy than others and the vibrations are felt through them more. Another thing is, I haven't set mine yet. It's still being adjusted and set up for different aircraft. Unfortunately, you have to go through the pain of setting it up initially to situation and preferences.
So I have a pair of transducers bolted under my Sim Seat. I split the optical audio output as it leaves my cpu and crossover (filter) anything below 100hz to go to the transducers. Why do I need 3rd party software to be in the middle? That's a legit question not a snark. I always felting the 3rd party aircraft developer used good audio from actual Jets I wouldn't need anything else?
If you don't need it, you don't need it. This is about replacing the original butt kicker software and since you don't have a butt kicker, I think you just clicked on the wrong question by mistake.
@AIRWARFAREGROUP OK then, Actually, let me rephrase the question: what does this software offer above a properly connected 2.1 or 5.1 sound system?
My question being, is if the original source file is sending the full audio spectrum then why are any of these software companies debated? Seems to me we're assessing which of these companies is manipulating the source code to what's most satisfactory to the listner which can't be anything but subjective.
I don't think that applies here as this uses endgame perimetry points, which are mapped to haptic feedback points, unrelated to the sound. There is an option to use it through sound quality for guys that don't have a USB haptic device however we don't do that here we use the actual USB option directly using game to limit. But I think if you google it or go to their website, they may have information on that for you. Our video specifically about butt kicker and sim haptic
Hey, do a trial for seven days and see how it works with sound because all of the guys in our group have haptic devices like butt, kicker or seat pads with amplifiers.
So do I need to uninstall the haptic that comes with the buttkicker or does that need to stay also?
I uninstalled it. Just to avoid getting an input conflict. I tested it with HC installed first and didn't have a problem but just in case.
Safest bet is to uninstall. I've had multiple shake software apps installed at once and forgot they can auto launch in the background. Its a great way to overheat your amplifier super quick.
@AIRWARFAREGROUP I hope this makes sense. I have added a second output to separate the two kickers. I noticed that they couldn't both vibrate at the same time. For instance, if Im pulling Gs wail in full afterburner, I can't feel the afterburner until i stop pulling Gs. I'm curious if this is software related or like a sound card issue. Is anyone else having this issue or may know a fix?
Hard for me to evaluate this cause I'm not running my butt kicker through sound card. I'm using the USB to PC connection for telemetry input from the game.
Dammit let me check this out cause o do agree sim haptic is trash. Does it work well with Vr?
You talking about the interface on screen? I don't have VR but you can set it up on screen and then you don't have to change it every day. Alt Tab or mouse the interface to minimize. Let us know what you find. Free trial for 7 days.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUPyes sir that is correct…
Sim-Haptic is golden, did you mean HaptiConnect is trash in your first comment??
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP yes sir, now I can’t go back after this video. I set it up now I’m loving it 🫡
I spoke with the developer and he flies VR with it. He started with CV1, then G2, and now Quest 3. I'm going to have him on in September on Bottle-To-Throttle.
Hey Juice we sent you a message via instagram, looking forward to chat.
Hey, thanks, just got it and I will email you this weekend. We'll talk next week.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUPPerfect, looking forward to it 🍻
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