Was Jinnah Secular? | Jinnah Role in Partition of India | FT Dr.Ishtiaq Ahmed |121| TG Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- In this podcast, we talked about the pivotal events surrounding the Partition of India. We delve into various critical aspects, from the controversial history and the secularism of Jinnah to the impact on minorities and the rise of Punjabi nationalism.
Ishtiaq Ahmed is a Pakistani-Swedish political scientist and author. He holds a PhD in Political Science from Stockholm University. His work provides a comprehensive and critical examination of the political history of South Asia, particularly focusing on the partition of India and the role of key figures like Jinnah.
0:00 - Highlights
02:06 - Faulty History
05:44 - Was Jinnah Secular
10:54 - Cabinet Mission Plan
12:32 - Two Nations Theory
18:27 - British and Partition
22:24 - Elite of Pakistan
29:36 - Minorities of Pakistan
32:01 - Jinnah During Partition
34:50 - Did Jinnah Order Communal Violence
45:37 - Punjabi Nationalism
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Jinnah was neither a Secular nor an Islamist. Jinnah was simply an Opportunist
Partition of India especially partition of punjab is very painful
Jinnah was neither a secular nor a democrat.
*Hypocrisy of Pakistani*
*After Partition in 1947, In Pakistan the property of Hindus,Sikhs,Non-Muslims were given to Muslims who migrated from India,*
*where as In India the property of all Muslims who migrated to Pakistan was given to WAQF board, instead of Hindus, Sikhs who migrated from Pakistan*
*Muslims benefitted at both ends*
The properties had not been given to affected muslims who migrated but only to locally settled influencial politicians, bureaucrats, generals and feudal lords. Common peoples on both sides of the border line suffered all kinds of losses as the consequence of tragic partition.
@@mozaffarahmad4846right
This is the main reason the muslims forced to Hindu faith and Sikhs to migrated India and captured their wealth and properties. From Pakistan.
Isiliye 🇮🇱 zibdabad
“One swallow does not a summer make, neither does one fine day; similarly one day or brief time of happiness does not make a person entirely happy.” Attributed to Aristotle.
Doctor sahib I have read your books as well. You have left no room for safdar mehmoods of Pakistan. Jinnah was a narcissist and responsible for millions of deaths.
Loved the episode
Jinnah was British sepoy ,,,,Jinnah wasn’t freedom fighter nor he fought any case of freedom fighters during independence. He was drinking, eating pork and didn’t know even Namaj,,, He was converted Hindu who saw the opportunity to gain power
This is my favourite subject, but this man who wrote a book on this subject talk in unscholary manner. History is not just quoting that to this. How can he say that 1000 years, both Hindu and Muslims lived happily. Was he there?
Yes he was there, some people are like that.
25 years from now we will be discussing why pakistan disintegrated in to 5 independent nations balochistan, pashtunistan, sindhudesh, saraikistan, urdu punjab.
What is Urdu Panjab?
NOT 25 YEARS JUST LESS THAN 10 YEARS.
Urdu Punjab is Icing on the cake 😅
NOPE. I don't want that to happen. Today's Pakistan is ideal Pakistan, which is weak, disunited, systemic economic problems, political disunity, international isolation and many others. The idea Pakistan is always on the brink of collapse but never actually collapsing. The ideal Pakistan should always be in an unstable equilibrium incapable of doing anything. Cheers and best wishes!
Haha 🇵🇰 is one. The traitors were inly bangalis who left on indian shoulders only.
Tremendous comments Dr Ishtiaq
I always like hearing him.
Goooooooood
Zabardast
بہترین😍😍
How long will you discuss history ?
@@artus198 Those who forget history are doomed to keep repeating it.
@@artus198 Those who forget history are doomed to keep repeating it.
Jinnah was a singular. He looked at his personal interest. In 1942 all India Muslim League Regional Conference at Delhi, AK Fazlul Haq labeled Jinnah as single minded leader who pushed his ideas to all.
What I can say is that Jinnah was Imran Khan of those days
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Dr Ishitiaq is absolutely true.
Jinnah was a secular person as he grew up in UK mostly but he wanted to create a Muslim state for the Muslims. Now here is the point that Muslims were already divided into so many sects, Jinnah could not unite them religiously but still made efforts for Muslims. Most of Muslim Ulama did not support Pakistan but when Pakistan came into being some very mischievous Muslims Ulama like Maulana Modoodi and other Ahraris came to Pakistan. It is said that Liaqat Ali Khan was the person who invited these extremist Mullahs to Pakistan as they opposed Pakistan movement and had no wish to move to Pakistan. So the chaos in Pakistan started right after the arrival of extremist Mullahs. Rest is the history before everyone..
What do you think of Allama Inayatullah Khan Al-Mashriqi and his Khaksar Movement and his Quranic teachings and his renowned book "Al Tazkirah" at the time in 1920s?
Nice discussion...My question to Faisal is post this discussion, is there Institutional body where you may request to make the changes or take a legal route to make these changes happen into your curriculum so that Aisha Jalal's book should get ban and truth should be told to your future generations. Else there'll be no new sunrise in your country.
Leave past ....live in present and make future
It is wrong to say that their was a participation of India. In 1947 only Punjab was divided. Bengals was divided early. And in All India Muslim League their were more leaders than Jinnah Mohammad Ali Punja and their were Hindu leaders also in All India Muslim League. One of the father of nation Sir Sultan Mohammad Shah has said that Gandhi was the most evil person he has ever meet in his live.
Till we don't learn , why and how this strip called Pakistan was created
We will remain lost
Jinnah Poonja Chap, whom the unwashed call Quaid e Azam, was a Hindu from village Panali in Gujrat
His house is can be seen on Google
His grandfather was Premji Lal, father. Poonja Lal
Poonja was a very clever chap, initially English tried to pass him as Ismaili Muslim and said he was born in Wazir Mansion near Ismaili Jamat Khana in Kharadar
But Ismaili Imam, refused to give a fake certificate that he was Ismaili
So in, 1900 it was decided to call him a Sunni Muslim and name was changed to Mohammad Ali
Rest history we know how with help of English and Hindus who were also in game,
Poonja created two nation theory
He got 1.5 million Muslims Slaughtered
Handed India to Hindus
Hindus, never had any say in ruling India
Till 1947, Muslims ruled over most of India. Whole of Punjab, Bengal, Assam, Kashmir, 35 Muslim States, in Central India, Hyderabad with half India wealth, Bijapur etc, were all under Muslim rule
Muslim culture centres like, Delhi, Lucknow, Agra, Kanpur, Hyderabad etc
Were also handed to Hindus,
Muslims were confined to a small strip they call Pakistan
This strip was to be a buffer, between Russia and India,
At this stage Pakistan’s issues can’t be fixed without any significant structural changes
Once you are on the road of separation from a state, you have to have a reason that could eventually become a movement of the masses. The masses historically have been guided by ulemas who see their own opportunity in guiding people on the lines of separating from kufr. Hence Jinnah was always hesitant in defining the purpose of Pakistan fearing backlash from seculars and religious lobby alike. Therefore this confusion still exist and the army has no choice in keeping this country together more by force and emotions than reasoning.
I can't describe his work.sir I've read your book garrison state of Pakistan.amazing book 📚
Is Faisal Gurmani not a converted muslim. ? His forfathers belonged Hindus it seene his sername !!
G.O.Dr Sahb
Jinnah was not true to his land, means subcontinent.
He was rajpoot
This, concept
See hindwata,
Not confused
After 60 year
To debate of period 1947
Give future vision for progress,.....😮😮😮
The time has proved that Jinnah was right and there is 15 years of rule of Nrindra Moodi and the attitude of Indian PM is to throw all Muslims in Indian Ocean
P.M Nareedra Singh Moodi and his party BJP are the real followers of Quaid e Azam ideology. When the muslims of Pakistan wants a politicial system on their religious base Islam then the Hindu faith peoples have right to establish their politicial system on their religious principals. Thanks.
How many 100s, 1000s muslim were thrown in indian ocean. Pls share the link fir news
in this age every fact can get disputed
Dr Sahb Great hero of sub continen t
Sami!!! You spoke in the highest form of eloquence and beautiful way because you spoke from heart and directly from the teaching of the Greatest human of the universe, Hazart Mohammed PBUH.
Befor division Mr.jinnah was pure muslim,becaus at that time he needed support of muslim of minority provinces but after partition he showed secular himself,because at that time he needed to ignor or dis owne the muslims of minority provinces.cost paid by biharies and punjabies of sab continent.pakistan banany se pehlay punjabion aur biharion ka khoon baha,iisi tarah pakistan tootnay main hazaron punjabion aur lakhon biharion ka khoon baha,.question arises who are the benefeshri and who are the sufferer of the event.
Oh scholar sahib..the British deliberately never encouraged industry in whole Punjab so these warrior race have no other to join army and police.
DR SAIB YOU ARE NOT TOTALLY WRONG AND YOU ARE NOT TOTALLY RIGHT.
Jinnah and Nahru were British agent.were responsible of Partition.two million kay katal Nahru aur jinnah
Excellent guest ❤
*Some lesser-facts known about MohamMad Ali Jinnah.*
Here are some very interesting facts:
#Jinnah him self was not secular by nature. He even endorsed the idea of Pakistan when it was first coined by Mohd. Iqbal. He even did not condemned it.
#Jinnah’s father, Jinabhai Punjabhai Thakkar was a Gujarati Hindu and he was converted to Islam just before Jinnah was born. Jinnah took his last name from his father’s first name, Jina.
#When Jinha was leaving India for the last time, he told his secretary “I live Bombay. I don’t think I will every be as happy again as I was here. I never thought dream of Pakistan could ever have been materialized”
#In his later days, after the independence, he also considered to shift to Bombay to die peacefully. But Pakistan authority didn’t allow him otherwise the very idea of creating Pakistan would have demolished.
#Jinnah’s only daughter, Dina, who he loved dearly never went to Pakistan with his father and stayed back at Bombay. She married to a famous Wadiya family (Bombay Dying) of Parsi community.
#Moti Paneli of Saurashtra region in Gujarat is the ancestral village of Jinnah while just 80 km. away there is Porbandar, a town where Mahatma Gandhi was born. Saurashtra is the ONLY region in the world which gave birth to TWO fathers of nation, Non-seculer converted Muslim Jinnah and Secular Hindu Gandhi.
Pakistani brothers & sisters, Aap mano ya na mano. Pakistan ki es halat ka jimmedar aapke diplomates, senior officers, bureacrats, professors, political leaders and Padhe-Likhe old people hai. Ye aaj bhi pak army ke agenda ko support karte hai.
Pak army ka agenda hai ki apne country ki awam ko majhabi churan dete rahna hai, school syllabus, media and moulvio ko sath leker (yahudi, America, kafir, hindu hate).
Pak army ka yahi tarika hai country mai apne hisab se rule kerne ka jisme wo fake news, videos and dahshatgard tanjim ko promote kerte hai and political interference kerte hai. Sarkar se fund lete hai and Logo mai dar ka mahol paida kerte hai.
All the thesis in Pakistan 🇵🇰 is only the praise if Jinnah 😂
Bhagavad Gita says , "Whatever happens, happens for good". Great leaders like patel nehru able to crystal gaze into furure based muslim league behavior and made correct decision. Now you can see the results.
Where in Bhagwat Gita it is written whatever happens happens for good? You are talking rubbish. Jinnah has created a monster which is destroying India bit by bit.
Thanks a lot Jinnah Saheb tahe dil se. Thanks, many many thanks😅😅😅
Jinnah assumed that restraints on power will be instituted & fully supported by national army. The colonial Army in-fact mutated to a rental mercenary army. The rental army ended up renting itself to the Americans for the attack on the USSR. And finally rented itself to severely undermine its own country. Modi sahib has publicly claimed to have wrecked Pakistan. it is a reasonable speculation that the conspiracy of Bajwa gang of Saigon Generals, with the complicity of Imran khan were infact the hired guns..
Gurmani sb how are you related to Mushtaq Ahmad Gurmani?
Mushtaq Ahmed Gurmani was from our tribe and the belonged to an area where we currently live. He was a feudal nawab and his family still own so much land and have a political influence in our constituency.
Jinnah was not secular. That's the only objection i have heard from many historians.. I never understood why he should be .why a country with 97% Muslims should adopt secularism. Its not important what system we adopted, the important thing is we live in a free country. We dont have to marry hindu and show our secular face like in india. You go in the history as deep as you wish,but just one day, try to live in today and thank Jinnah to give you a land. Goodluck. Pakistan Zindabad
Sir, Jinnah has been dead long ago, plz say something new. How can a man who died in 1948 is responsible for the current turmoil in Pakistan?
Dr, Ishtiak. Ahmad, salute to and your honesty. Speech. God. Bless you. Bawa,SSS,Bhalla. From. Dubai
Was Jinnah sb really a true Muslim.?He was Khoja Ismaili They dont Pratice Namaz Ramadan and Haj
He was converted Hindu Gujarati
Kindly leave Jinnah and his legacy what he did for us we are happy we are free in Pakistan at least cow sacrifice at Eid not just like India where Muslims now a third grade citizens Thanks to Jinnah
Lol no one care abt u , u will definitely be happy as u belong to the grp who burns the Gusthake asuls . 😂
We r talking abt those who suffer from ur hands here 😭
Even Talibs say that they r happy ruling Afghanistan but world doent talk ant them. World cares abt women and PPL who suffer by hands if Talibs .
I mean if Laden , hafiz Saeed , molla omar , khadim Hussain rizvi and his PPL won't be happy in pakistan then what will be meaning of Making alBakistaa
G.O.
Sir what can be done to correct this historic wrong?
Dear Mr Faisal,
Certainly Dr. Ishtiak Ahmed ji have done a hard work for a long time & proved without any shadow of doubt that The British Rulers & Jinnah were hands in gloves in the process of hatching the consperacy to divide our subcontinent which resulted in huge problems for the whole public of subcontinent & especially for muslims who suffered much more & even now are suffering. Our subcontinent have a record of a long time of public living together while following separate religions & practicing rituals of separate religious ideologies. Jinnah's delayed marriage with only eighteen years old Parsi girl, younger twenty six years to Jinnah's age & Jinnah's disturbed married life etc speak that he was a little mentally disturbed person with an arrogant mind, always focused to achieve his aim, to fullfill his dirty ambitions irrespective of right or wrong means to be used & caring little about good his prestige among public & good or bad consequences afterwards. Thanks.
Mr. Faisal Gurmani, please don't call him (Jinnah) quaid e azam.
AGREE WITH DR ISHTIAQ THAT PARTITIOM WAS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE FOR MUSLIMS & ISLAM
If Pakistan would be progressive like in the '60s to '80s. Mr. Ishtiaq would have been praising Jinnah🤣. Actually 🇵🇰 was made in good faith but the establishment took all control. Every country has its establishment in its way like Modi was becoming a dictator but India has strong democratic institutions. B desh is under cruel dictatorship.
Lol every country has establishment which reflect the views of majority.
That tells how cruel Pakistani society is and how democratic Indian society is.
In case of Bangladesh hasina is changing the character of the society itself. But bangladesh is 10x more democratic than Albakistan where elections r total Joke.
In bangladesh they do elections every 5 years properly atleast. Their politics is like that be it Indian Bengal or bangladesh . The party is power always enforces it's will doesn't mean they r dictator.
Thought world doesn't even care abt a word from Pakistanis neither Pakistanis have guts to lecture the world as they know their Image all over. But in south Asia AlBakistanis talk big as if they r best democratic liberal progressive people . But infact u r the root cause of spoil and rot in whole region .
Jinnah or not , ur PPL r Poison for the region.
Octogenarian Ishtiaq , a die hard secularist atheist and hater of Pakistan and Islam or merely blind with hate or demented?
Sahab when you are in India your views are different and the moment you are out things change drastically... Aap apni book promot kijiye aur paisa batoriye... Aap hi to kabhi darte nahi hai juth bolne me....
Assalamoalaikum.
Thank God. Today, scholars like Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmad are uncovering the tragic history of partition of India.
Sir, I believe, Jinnah was strong secular, deep in his heart but a hypocrite. He was an embodiment of western values. But he posed himself as Islamic to befool the Muslims in order to achieve his plan to create a country for himself and the selfish jageerdars to rule and ultimately LOOT.
Jesay ab musalman Amman or skoon se rehty hain?? Agr Hindu ka Dil bhada hota to hoskta pakistan na bnta. Hindu JB tk weak hota hai Amman se rehta hai JB taqat main ho tb bohat zalim or tang Nazar.
I can explain Jinnah with one word vahiyat
Dr ishtiaq has copied everything from venkat dhulipala
Partition was good event for hindu.
Dr. Sahib is known to my later father, Professor Muhammad Sarwar. He used to say this in the 50s until his death in the early 80s. He was labeled a traitor and an Indian agent. I'm glad people now listen to Dr. Sahib's research.
#خوب فارمولا ہے کہ کسی قدآود شخصیت پر بول کر نمایاں ہونا جبکہ تم خود اپوزیشن پر بھڑک اٹھتے ہو
I don't know whether Jinnah was secular or not but one thing is definate that Jinnah is the hero of India/indians.
Had there been no Jinnah today entire India would have become a BEGGAR BANKRUPT TERROR SYTETE.
Every Indian should sing this song.
E JINNAH TERA INDIA /INDIANS PE EHSAN HAI EHSAN.
Pupped Was killed in 1948 It was said by his sister . Pupped Liaaqit Ali was also killed by establishment
It is called KARMA in Hindi they faced what they did in their life.
The tragic stories of India's partition-marked by forced migration and mass killings-always bring deep pain and a lesson: never succumb to the religious rhetoric promoted by the local stooges of imperialist Britain, such as Jinnah, etc.
Azadi mile azad hind army kki waja say 2 Azadi mile Hitler ki waja say .3 Azadi mile u.s.s r kiwaja say 4 Aazadi mile qamonist party of India ki waja say jis nay 1946 main India main saray karkhanay band kr wa diay .5 azadi mile 1946 ki mutni ki waja say jub indian army nay British sarkar ka khukm mannay say inker kia 6 azadi mile 1857 say 1947 tak one million.indian.ki sazay moot .ki waja say .Barbadi mile jinnah ki waja say
.India was divided by British Sarkar Nahru aur jinnah was agent
Dr Sahb sach ki awaz
yeh pakistan main kun rha hai india hi dafa ho jta
Bhaisaab podcast hindi/urdu mein hai to starting ke introduction mein 30s English kyun bolte ho be original.
ADAT HOGYI
Arvind Saharan ke saath dusra episode Kab karoge mere bhai.
Muslim league was lattaray aur darinday
Gurmany ap log kufran e naimat kar rahay ho.
تھینک یو
Dr Sb should accept reality. Jinnah Sb respectfully wanted to make sure that Muslims should be able to live peacefully. I must say that even great Hindu war loads even had Muslim generals. Actually it was a Mistake of Congress during 1935 to 1937 during their Raj. The opportunists like Dr Ishataq Sb have done shameless mixing of events. He knows the truth but unfortunately he is doing injustice. Even Gandhi Sb was killed by Hindu fanatic. We must accept that India is a great democracy. Dr Sb is doing injustice by saying only one stage. Actually in Islam all religions were evenly treated. Very disturbing and unfortunate that may Almighty Allah punish him for dishonest speaking. Unfortunately our leaders after Jinnah Sb did not respect all religions but Jinnah Sb was a Muslim leader. Kamal Atta Turk took an opportunity so Jinnah Sb was not opportunistic. Even the name of Pakistan was not in the Lahore Resolution. Dr Ayesha Jalal was right. It was not due to any but the political scenario so leadership did it. This shameless person did not even mention that Congress was the only biggest political party. He used Abul Kalam so check it as that person declared India as a hell during Khilafat Movement. Dr Sb 🙏 do not do injustice on the day of judgement you will get the reward. Islam teaches us to create harmony but unfortunately only opportunists do injustice. I would like to add as we must appreciate our great leadership as they establish India and Pakistan without a war. They work constitutional ways this is the only way. We must respect being independent states and as our great leadership showed tolerance even Nehru Jee accepted to hold a plebecite. We may honour our great leadership instead of promoting war or hate culture as Dr Sb blaming only Jinnah Sb. Live long Pakistan Aameen ❤️ and we may establish mutually respect for both countries only opportunists are doing it like Dr Ishataq Sb. Regards to all.
Why then non Muslim in Pakistan are persecuted and always under terror, why people left Pakistan,
Why minority percentage decrease in last 70 years
Why fanatics and terror training originate in Pakistan
Why Pakistan is indebted heavily under fanatics army
Why liaquat ali khan was assasinated
Why Pakistan killed non Muslims in partition
Why east Pakistan was brutalized in 1971
I think we both are happy on either side of borders. We are happy that we had a chance at having a home and ONLY home Hindus can call it as our own because of creation of Pakistan. You are happy because you have your don't have to live with fascist fanatics like us. We are a very very bad people. Please avoid us. Don't visit us. Don't trade with us. Don't play sports with us. Forget that we exist. You live your life while we live our own. Thanks. Cheers and best wishes!
What nonsense
It’s hard for you to accept the truth, it’s proven and documented history.
Why not you write book citing tru materials 😂😂😂
Jinnah was popped Goviernal general.of Pakistan .His first Speech 1n 1947 15 August was Sensurd. By the establishmnt
Shame on you Paindo Ishtiak who speaks Ardo (Urdu) in punjabi. Don't trust him he is a liar and gets 'handout' from India.
wah khoti k bcho
Sir ishtiaq ahmad is a legend. A reall intellectual .❤❤❤
Jinnah was a Cartoon Network.
Faisal ye admi bogus hai. Please read Professor Ayesha Jalal too and make you own decision.
Have we not discussed this topic ad nauseum already?
What is the point?
Jinnah was not secular period.
A secular person does not demand for a nation based on religion.
A secular person does not go about putting the fear into the Muslim mind that their lives are not safe in India.
He was a hypocrite of the highest order, a low life who did not flinch at distorting truth, resorting to subterfuge and other means to achieve his objective of Pakistan.
He was an effective lawyer and knew how to fight a case.
The Pakistan he founded is floundering today and its PM is out with a begging bowl, the nation is facing unprecedented challenges.
Muslims are killing muslims in Pakistan today!
Allah gharut kray. He is following Jinnah like a rabid street dog. comes up with personal venom again and again.
Partition hona tha ho gaya ab kyon ro rahe ho . ab
Ham hinduo ki history dasiyo hajar saal purana hai aur tum to bas 1400 saal purane ho .
The muslims of India including Pakistan and Bangladesh are belongs from Hindu race and they have Hindu DNA and the muslims have combined history of India. The muslims of India are not belongs from Arab region Central Asia Afghanistan and Iran. .
جناح موم کی وہ ناک ہے کہ جس کا جہاں مفاد ہو جناح کو اُدھر موڑ لیتا ہے۔
Lakhon logon ke katl ka gunaahgaar
jinnha
gandhi
nehru
aur indian musalmaan the
A mad dog is following Jinnah since long. His grudge will die with him.
Muslim league is right , Bjp is bad , this is strange .