Thank you for the advice! Looked up my grandma’s divorce on the familysearch site and found her divorce record from her 1st husband! It confirmed what we had been told about their divorce! Thank you!
Yay. I'm happy to direct you in that way. I'm thinking of doing a video about researching divorce records. Would you mind sharing your discovery via my email form? www.familyhistoryfanatics.com/contact I'd love to either feature your grandma (or a record in the same collection as yours).
In Burke Co., NC, I found at the local library a typed index for the unindexed court records for the 1700s. It had been prepared years ago by the local genealogy society. It made searching those records so much easier because the handwriting was variable as was the condition of each record. This index is not on line anywhere, so it pays to contact local societies and libraries for help.
Oh yes local libraries definitely have things you won't find online or anywhere else. Family files, hand made local histories and genealogies deposited there, old phone books and newspapers, local society publications. The Cullman Public Library (Cullman, AL) had stacks of published reference books on a table right when you walked in. You know I loaded up on those before I left! lol
I've seen nationality categories in ship passenger lists. In my case they were listed as Northern Italian or sometimes just Italian. Wondering if there was a federal standard for these nationality categories or if it was merely the preference of whatever government agency was using them in documentation? Thanks so much for the information about Catalog searching. I only recently discovered that there were Catalog records which are not listed under the category of "Image Only Records" which are available to view. I had always presumed that those Catalog records were only available at the FHL or FHC's. Going through those Catalog records I have found Italian church records going back further than we had. Also a link in a family tree led to a series of published Bible and other family records in New York compiled by the D.A.R. Take care and happy holidays to you and yours.
In US Census records, many of the ethnicities were defined in the enumerator instructions. I am currently unaware of similar instructions for passenger lists. I believe it was self reported, but I'm open to being corrected.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics I may have something confused. I'm not sure. I thought I had seen pages like that in the Ship Manifests microfilmed at Ancestry. The problem is that not all of the manifest pages were microfilmed. Some have the supplement pages and some don't for example. Some ship manifest microfilms consist of only one page. I think if you look for the manifests that consist of 100 or more pages some of those might have the instructions at the back, but, not even all of those do. I tried to find an example, but, after skimming through a number of them I can't find one now. Murphy's Law strikes again! lol I can say for certainty that the amount of information on the ship manifests changed over time and I think it was the Summer of 1892 when they changed the columns of information to include more. Prior to that most of the passenger lists had the names, ages, genders, country of origin, place of destination (usually a state, sometimes a city - occasionally a county) and maybe relationships and maybe occupations. Pretty much it. The newer lists included the last place of residence -- usually a city, the name of the person at their destination, that person's address and relationship to the passenger and other questions such as if the passenger had been in the US previously. Still later on (not sure of the start date for the form) the passenger lists additionally asked the name of their closest relative in their country of origin and where the person resided (city) in that country. I found the information by going year by year, date by date, ship by ship and page by page looking for specific information. I find that doing that extra work in the end actually saves time. I know what I'm probably NOT going to find until a certain date, for example. If I find an example of a ship passenger list that includes the instructions I'll let you know. My impression is that my Italian ancestors were Piemontese and if they had the choice to state what their nationality was, I believe they would have said either Piemontese or Italian. I don't think they would have called themselves "Northern Italian."
how can i go back to that records page view (on your screen) instead of the new page that changed as of a few months ago. hate the new site but love familysearch
I have hit a road block and need ideas of where else to look. My great grandfather died in Colorado Springs in 1896 at the age of 29, (I think from tuberculosis per my mothers memories of what she was told by her mother). I cannot find any death records for him (that list the cause of death), or obituaries. No coroners records exist for that time period for that county. I don’t know if he was at a sanitorium or somewhere else. I think he became ill in Illinois, then moved to Colorado Springs (as they still had a house in Illinois listed in the probate records), but don’t know where to search for that information either. I don’t know if that is it or if there are still resources I can search? I have the name of the mortuary that prepared his body for transport to Illinois, but don't find they are still in business to see if hey have old records. I don’t know how he was transported (I'm guessing by train) but would like to know the details? Again, I don’t know if records are available for that. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Look in the catalog section for any location you think he might have been, check online (though, some you may still have to at their special locations to access, but majority are at home), look in all the categories to see what records are available, but specifically probate records for the area he would have died in or what his hometown would have been in before being moved to the sanitarium. If he left a will or an estate of any type there should be records on administrator's, division of the estate, etc. If there were young children there should be guardianship records, even if they stayed with the mother, another man sometimes stepped in and oversaw the estate of the children and wife. Look in local newspapers for areas he could have died or his hometown before death, or if he lived in an area a long time and had many connections check there. If your state doesn't have newspapers online, check the local library website for that area, a lot of time they have local newspapers digitized. (Ie. Georgia has done an AMAZING job digitizing newspapers, but they don't have all the old and local newspapers, paid sites don't either, but if I go to the head library page for my county, I can go to their genealogy section and see the historic local paper digitized) Search any for of name, First/last name, First/middle/last, initials, if he had a wife search her name or Mrs. And his initials and last name or Mrs. and his full name... Search for his children's name, search for friends names, search deed records (also usually in the catalog) and see if they sold his house. Create a timeline on a spreadsheet and keep track of the records, names, and locations you come across. You'll get a much clearer picture. Good luck!
Colorado is VERY tricky to research in this time period, especially anything outside of Denver. Death records do not begin in Colorado until 1908. If he didn't have land that needed to go into probate, then land and probate records wouldn't help you either. You might consider researching the Colorado Historic Newspaper collections. www.coloradohistoricnewspapers.org/ I can't promise that they'll have anything, but leave no stone unturned. If the body was transported back to Illinois, then consider looking at the Illinois State Archive collections for anything for the funeral homes or anything in their veridical files collections. Consider contacting their librarian and ask, "If you had this situation, what resources in your archive would you consult?" That's a question that will likely result in a better response that, "Can you find my ancestor?" (Not that you would, but others have.)
It depends. Where did they live and when? Genealogy is about time and location and what records were created during that time in that location. I recommend always searching, research, and researching again. Good luck.
Thank you for the advice! Looked up my grandma’s divorce on the familysearch site and found her divorce record from her 1st husband! It confirmed what we had been told about their divorce! Thank you!
Yay. I'm happy to direct you in that way. I'm thinking of doing a video about researching divorce records. Would you mind sharing your discovery via my email form? www.familyhistoryfanatics.com/contact I'd love to either feature your grandma (or a record in the same collection as yours).
In Burke Co., NC, I found at the local library a typed index for the unindexed court records for the 1700s. It had been prepared years ago by the local genealogy society. It made searching those records so much easier because the handwriting was variable as was the condition of each record. This index is not on line anywhere, so it pays to contact local societies and libraries for help.
Thank you for this tip Cathy. I love this community and the knowledge they have.
Oh yes local libraries definitely have things you won't find online or anywhere else. Family files, hand made local histories and genealogies deposited there, old phone books and newspapers, local society publications. The Cullman Public Library (Cullman, AL) had stacks of published reference books on a table right when you walked in. You know I loaded up on those before I left! lol
The first page is very important if you are looking at papers that have cover sheets and aren't dated each page. For example, native american census.
Thanks for this excellent tip!
I've seen nationality categories in ship passenger lists. In my case they were listed as Northern Italian or sometimes just Italian. Wondering if there was a federal standard for these nationality categories or if it was merely the preference of whatever government agency was using them in documentation?
Thanks so much for the information about Catalog searching. I only recently discovered that there were Catalog records which are not listed under the category of "Image Only Records" which are available to view. I had always presumed that those Catalog records were only available at the FHL or FHC's.
Going through those Catalog records I have found Italian church records going back further than we had. Also a link in a family tree led to a series of published Bible and other family records in New York compiled by the D.A.R.
Take care and happy holidays to you and yours.
In US Census records, many of the ethnicities were defined in the enumerator instructions. I am currently unaware of similar instructions for passenger lists. I believe it was self reported, but I'm open to being corrected.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics I may have something confused. I'm not sure. I thought I had seen pages like that in the Ship Manifests microfilmed at Ancestry. The problem is that not all of the manifest pages were microfilmed. Some have the supplement pages and some don't for example. Some ship manifest microfilms consist of only one page. I think if you look for the manifests that consist of 100 or more pages some of those might have the instructions at the back, but, not even all of those do. I tried to find an example, but, after skimming through a number of them I can't find one now. Murphy's Law strikes again! lol
I can say for certainty that the amount of information on the ship manifests changed over time and I think it was the Summer of 1892 when they changed the columns of information to include more. Prior to that most of the passenger lists had the names, ages, genders, country of origin, place of destination (usually a state, sometimes a city - occasionally a county) and maybe relationships and maybe occupations. Pretty much it.
The newer lists included the last place of residence -- usually a city, the name of the person at their destination, that person's address and relationship to the passenger and other questions such as if the passenger had been in the US previously.
Still later on (not sure of the start date for the form) the passenger lists additionally asked the name of their closest relative in their country of origin and where the person resided (city) in that country.
I found the information by going year by year, date by date, ship by ship and page by page looking for specific information. I find that doing that extra work in the end actually saves time. I know what I'm probably NOT going to find until a certain date, for example.
If I find an example of a ship passenger list that includes the instructions I'll let you know. My impression is that my Italian ancestors were Piemontese and if they had the choice to state what their nationality was, I believe they would have said either Piemontese or Italian. I don't think they would have called themselves "Northern Italian."
how can i go back to that records page view (on your screen) instead of the new page that changed as of a few months ago. hate the new site but love familysearch
You can't change back to the old view. Sorry. I will likely have to update my old FS videos.
I have hit a road block and need ideas of where else to look. My great grandfather died in Colorado Springs in 1896 at the age of 29, (I think from tuberculosis per my mothers memories of what she was told by her mother). I cannot find any death records for him (that list the cause of death), or obituaries. No coroners records exist for that time period for that county. I don’t know if he was at a sanitorium or somewhere else. I think he became ill in Illinois, then moved to Colorado Springs (as they still had a house in Illinois listed in the probate records), but don’t know where to search for that information either. I don’t know if that is it or if there are still resources I can search? I have the name of the mortuary that prepared his body for transport to Illinois, but don't find they are still in business to see if hey have old records. I don’t know how he was transported (I'm guessing by train) but would like to know the details? Again, I don’t know if records are available for that. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Look in the catalog section for any location you think he might have been, check online (though, some you may still have to at their special locations to access, but majority are at home), look in all the categories to see what records are available, but specifically probate records for the area he would have died in or what his hometown would have been in before being moved to the sanitarium. If he left a will or an estate of any type there should be records on administrator's, division of the estate, etc. If there were young children there should be guardianship records, even if they stayed with the mother, another man sometimes stepped in and oversaw the estate of the children and wife.
Look in local newspapers for areas he could have died or his hometown before death, or if he lived in an area a long time and had many connections check there. If your state doesn't have newspapers online, check the local library website for that area, a lot of time they have local newspapers digitized.
(Ie. Georgia has done an AMAZING job digitizing newspapers, but they don't have all the old and local newspapers, paid sites don't either, but if I go to the head library page for my county, I can go to their genealogy section and see the historic local paper digitized)
Search any for of name, First/last name, First/middle/last, initials, if he had a wife search her name or Mrs. And his initials and last name or Mrs. and his full name...
Search for his children's name, search for friends names, search deed records (also usually in the catalog) and see if they sold his house.
Create a timeline on a spreadsheet and keep track of the records, names, and locations you come across.
You'll get a much clearer picture.
Good luck!
@@SarV1 Thank you for the information!
Colorado is VERY tricky to research in this time period, especially anything outside of Denver. Death records do not begin in Colorado until 1908. If he didn't have land that needed to go into probate, then land and probate records wouldn't help you either.
You might consider researching the Colorado Historic Newspaper collections. www.coloradohistoricnewspapers.org/ I can't promise that they'll have anything, but leave no stone unturned.
If the body was transported back to Illinois, then consider looking at the Illinois State Archive collections for anything for the funeral homes or anything in their veridical files collections. Consider contacting their librarian and ask, "If you had this situation, what resources in your archive would you consult?" That's a question that will likely result in a better response that, "Can you find my ancestor?" (Not that you would, but others have.)
Thanks Devon.
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Will that work for black people.
It depends. Where did they live and when? Genealogy is about time and location and what records were created during that time in that location. I recommend always searching, research, and researching again. Good luck.