Hi Rusty. I think that the problem with the coaxial indicator is because the mill head needs to be trammed a little more accurately. Of course, I could be wrong.
Great Job on February I made this project for my deckel, but it was for a d1-4 chuck adapter since it's the type of chuck used on my lathe so I can take it out and put it on the dividing head as many times needed with out loosing concentricity
Those coaxial indicator units are cool, I got to use one in machining night school some years ago. I like your idea for making that dividing head more flexible and useful, it's a very solid unit to start with so is a very reasonable idea.
As always, very entertaining Michel, thank you for taking us on the journey with you. Your experiments have given me encouragement to try out a new attachment for my horizontal mill arbor...
Another useful addition Rusti, turning more junk into usefulness! See if you can add a brass tipped cross screw to your adapter ring to lock the whole assembly in place, milling will still be a risky operation. Cheers, Jon
Hi Michel, I had to take a step back to look at your vice build video, and what a great piece of work that was. You converted it perfectly into the plate. What an earth was that shaft, I think a barge has gone adrift with loss of steering control!! Your videos always make me laugh you have a great sense of humour. Have a great weekend
"I dunno". Yeah, I get you there. Just spent an afternoon making a gtwr-style indicator holder clamp with micro adjust and all that jazz to go on my height gauge, before saying to myself "hang on, do I actually need this? The height gauge already has micro adjust, you tool!". Damn! Nice result, though I'd probably feel a bit bad about sacrificing the vice. Nothing suitable at the scrap yard, I guess...
Hi Michel ☺ thanks for another interesting video mate, this was quite a chalenge, but you made a great job of overcoming the problems, and even if that device hardly gets used you will have learned something, and got a great sense of achievement from making it, and a bit of fun too. Cheers my friend, stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
Come on Rusty! We home hobby machinists all know that making more tools is a worthy end all on its own! ! ! You will likely want to make up a flat table that can have stuff clamped to it. It comes in very handy for clamping down parts to cut arcs or for corner rounding and other handy things. I'm currently on a "mini pallet moment" and one of the pallets I want to make is one that will fit onto my rotary table to make it easier to clamp flat parts for arcs, slots or corner rounding on the rotary table. I don't use the rotary table a lot but out of the times I have used it I would guess that I only used a chuck mounted in this same way about 1/3 of the time. The rest of the jobs used the flat table and some hold down clamps. My small table only has three slots though. So it's not very good for setting up the clamps. Thus why I want to make a sub table or mini pallet that gives me more options.
Yeah, but this time Rusti out did himself!!! He made made a tool (threading holder) to make a tool (rotating head bushing) to make a tool (rotating head flange) to hold a tool (3 jaw chuck) to mount to a tool (Mill table) just because! I think this is a new record!! :)) How I love this channel!!! Thank you!
Great project Michel. In regards to your saw, 0n mine there is a slotted hole on the movable jaw which allows me to slide it over far enough for the guide to clear it. I hope that info is useful to you. Enjoyed the video, cheers!
I say get rid of the Coaxial indicator (too many moving parts to suit me) and depending on your budget, buy, beg, borrow, trade for a good quality DTI like a Interapid, Mitutoyo, Tesa or Mahr and a decent indicator holder to center up on a bore. A man of your talents Michel can make a real nice indicator holder with little trouble. You will not be unhappy. I also like your idea here I cannot see why it will not work and suit you perfectly. Cheers
Hi Rusti Watch the chuck will still unscrew it self in use. YOU can at any time remove you lathe chuck with a job in it and check it the thread as you wanted to so so and replace it back with accuracy as it never came off. The coaxial thing puzzling set it up on the lathe to check the tail stock barrel see it same problem if so it's the coaxial thing. Not much to them check running surface clean free. Is top shaft damage. Is collet used OK, still puzzling me. Brass locking bolt on chuck thread stop it undoing Steve
Hello Rusti, I’m sorry that your first use of the coaxial indicator wasn’t more of a success. Still, it’s impressive that you were observant enough to see the inconsistency and to recognize it. It will be interesting to get to the bottom of it! 👍
i am going to find the center of my rotary table to index the center bore of the chuck plate, and then drill it for the chuck bolts i hope my coax indicator doesn't do this. My stock has irregular OD so i have to rely on getting the table centered, and then i have a 1 1/2 in expanding arbor so i can cut the chuck flange true. on the lathe So many ways to screw it up. I am sure i wont be filming it...
Michael, I don't know if you watch Brandon at Inheritance Machining but he has just posted part two of his rotary work table so that he can round off parts in the mill without having to setup his very heavy rotary table. It's a work of absolute beauty in fact I'd be scared to use it in case I scratched it. Have a look. It might give you an idea for an auxiliary plate instead of the chuck to mount on your new adapter plate. You could use a piece of your railway line for it. Maybe some shaper work to get it flat first? Regards from Canada's banana belt. 🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🇺🇦🕊️🇧🇪💩👍
Whenever I cut internal threads for something too heavy to test fit my first step is always to make a male thread the same pitch diameter as the male thread that you're trying to fit a part to. I use thread wires to compare the threads to get the new gauge to be the same, then when the female thread has been cut it takes the guesswork out. You did get lucky, but good job anyway!
Sounds like a very good way to approach the matter, especially for us not having ages of experience. Some more work of course but a win in the long run.
Bonjour très bonne vidéo comme d’habitude…ton problème avec ton indicateur de centrage vient simplement du fait que ta tête n’est pas tout à fait à 90*juste un petit réglage de perpendicularité résoudra ton problème…bonne continuation 👌🍺 …Thierry
hey michel, you could clamp that tool a little lower in the holder and look at the roundness of the shaft there. Or is there a possibility you can adjust. something in the house of the clock
I always use a normal test indicator on the spindle, either in a chuck/collet or on an indicall, so it's not something I am able to explain precisely, but my guess would be that it's a gremlin? 😂 seriously though, I'm interested to find out if you ever figure it out.
Hi Rusty. I think that the problem with the coaxial indicator is because the mill head needs to be trammed a little more accurately. Of course, I could be wrong.
The milling head and dividing head are trammed.
I will figure it out.
Now there's a rotary table in the workshop I'm sure you'll wonder how you ever managed without. Thanks for another enjoyable instalment 👍 🇬🇧
Lol, we'll see :)
Good useful addition Rustinox, enjoyed watching the machining. Tony
Thanks Tony.
Sometimes solving the problem is the reason why.
Oh yea it's cool too!
Great job!
You're right. Thanks.
Hockey Pucks, hundredths of millimeters, unknown projects. Now you're talking my language :D Gilles
Lol. Thanks Gilles.
Michael you are the funniest guy in RUclips hands down thank you my friend
Thanks.
Looks like you got a winner there.
And I even installed a locking screw.
Great Job on February I made this project for my deckel, but it was for a d1-4 chuck adapter since it's the type of chuck used on my lathe so I can take it out and put it on the dividing head as many times needed with out loosing concentricity
Nice. That will be useful.
well done all the best to you and yours from John in Texas
Thanks John.
Those coaxial indicator units are cool, I got to use one in machining night school some years ago. I like your idea for making that dividing head more flexible and useful, it's a very solid unit to start with so is a very reasonable idea.
I haven't used it yet, but I'm sure one day I will :)
As always, very entertaining Michel, thank you for taking us on the journey with you. Your experiments have given me encouragement to try out a new attachment for my horizontal mill arbor...
Go for it, William.
Now we wait,,,What ever the project will be, will be of great interest to see the out come. Thx for taking us along, Bear.
Thanks Bear.
Another useful addition Rusti, turning more junk into usefulness! See if you can add a brass tipped cross screw to your adapter ring to lock the whole assembly in place, milling will still be a risky operation. Cheers, Jon
Hi Jon, the Myford chuck on my rotary table/dividing head has a similar problem - would you recommend the same solution there?
Thanks Jon. That's the plan.
Hi Michel, I had to take a step back to look at your vice build video, and what a great piece of work that was. You converted it perfectly into the plate.
What an earth was that shaft, I think a barge has gone adrift with loss of steering control!!
Your videos always make me laugh you have a great sense of humour.
Have a great weekend
This shaft came from the scrap yard. No idea what it was.
You always end the videos in a way that makes me smile.
Thank you!
That's nice. Thanks.
"I dunno". Yeah, I get you there. Just spent an afternoon making a gtwr-style indicator holder clamp with micro adjust and all that jazz to go on my height gauge, before saying to myself "hang on, do I actually need this? The height gauge already has micro adjust, you tool!".
Damn!
Nice result, though I'd probably feel a bit bad about sacrificing the vice. Nothing suitable at the scrap yard, I guess...
Well, that vice was not really a museum piece.
Great video, with outstanding results!
Thanks.
Great video Michel, putting some more of that scrap yard steel to good use. "Waste not, want not" Cheers Nobby
And it's fun to do :)
eyup michel
that was a big lump of steel, but worked out well, see you next time
kev (uk)
This was all I could find.
love it always,, makes my day watching these vids !👍👍
Thanks. That's nice.
Maybe it is not 90 degrees to spindle?
I concur
I have to check that.
Well done mate top job
Thanks.
G'day Rusty. Excellent video, showing your knowledge & workmanship, & showing what can be done with the material that you can procure.
Thanks Ted.
Hi Michel ☺ thanks for another interesting video mate, this was quite a chalenge, but you made a great job of overcoming the problems, and even if that device hardly gets used you will have learned something, and got a great sense of achievement from making it, and a bit of fun too. Cheers my friend, stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
Thanks. Stuart.
But you still have to make sure the jaw chuck doesn't unscrew while you're milling
Indeed. Install a set screw somewhere.
Sometimes, it is better to be lucky than accurate.
It' like an adventure :)
Well done, especially the recovery. :) Making a tool for the sake of making a tool. Nothing wrong with that!
In a four jaw chuck you can do magic... almost :)
Nice work on the 3mm pitch thread. Always a gamble if you cannot do a test fit in the lathe.
Here I had to trust my dials. Fortunately they work fine.
Come on Rusty! We home hobby machinists all know that making more tools is a worthy end all on its own! ! ! You will likely want to make up a flat table that can have stuff clamped to it. It comes in very handy for clamping down parts to cut arcs or for corner rounding and other handy things. I'm currently on a "mini pallet moment" and one of the pallets I want to make is one that will fit onto my rotary table to make it easier to clamp flat parts for arcs, slots or corner rounding on the rotary table. I don't use the rotary table a lot but out of the times I have used it I would guess that I only used a chuck mounted in this same way about 1/3 of the time. The rest of the jobs used the flat table and some hold down clamps. My small table only has three slots though. So it's not very good for setting up the clamps. Thus why I want to make a sub table or mini pallet that gives me more options.
Yeah, but this time Rusti out did himself!!! He made made a tool (threading holder) to make a tool (rotating head bushing) to make a tool (rotating head flange) to hold a tool (3 jaw chuck) to mount to a tool (Mill table) just because! I think this is a new record!! :)) How I love this channel!!! Thank you!
Making tools is fun. It just never ends.
@@craftycri That's only 3 levels deep. I'm sure we and he can do better than THAT ! ! ! ! :D
Great project Michel. In regards to your saw, 0n mine there is a slotted hole on the movable jaw which allows me to slide it over far enough for the guide to clear it. I hope that info is useful to you. Enjoyed the video, cheers!
Mine has that too. It was set on maximum.
Nice work Rusti. You might have to jack up one side of your shop to correct the coaxial indicator problem. Take care 🔧⚒🔩
Or dig a hole the other side...
@@Rustinox
Or both 😅
I say get rid of the Coaxial indicator (too many moving parts to suit me) and depending on your budget, buy, beg, borrow, trade for a good quality DTI like a Interapid, Mitutoyo, Tesa or Mahr and a decent indicator holder to center up on a bore. A man of your talents Michel can make a real nice indicator holder with little trouble. You will not be unhappy. I also like your idea here I cannot see why it will not work and suit you perfectly. Cheers
Or just use a centre finder. Works fine too :)
Love it.
Glad you do.
Hi Rusti Watch the chuck will still unscrew it self in use. YOU can at any time remove you lathe chuck with a job in it and check it the thread as you wanted to so so and replace it back with accuracy as it never came off.
The coaxial thing puzzling set it up on the lathe to check the tail stock barrel see it same problem if so it's the coaxial thing. Not much to them check running surface clean free. Is top shaft damage. Is collet used OK, still puzzling me.
Brass locking bolt on chuck thread stop it undoing
Steve
Locking screw is on the "to do" list. When the vice is back on the mill.
I guess with the co-axial indicator issue is that the spindle of the dividing head isn't parallel to the axis of the mill spindle.
I will double check that.
That ending 😂😂😂😂😂 so so true… I know how that goes
It's just a hobby...
Thanks
My pleasure.
Hello Rusti, I’m sorry that your first use of the coaxial indicator wasn’t more of a success. Still, it’s impressive that you were observant enough to see the inconsistency and to recognize it. It will be interesting to get to the bottom of it! 👍
I will, and also show the results.
@@Rustinox Looking forward to it. 👍
i am going to find the center of my rotary table to index the center bore of the chuck plate, and then drill it for the chuck bolts i hope my coax indicator doesn't do this. My stock has irregular OD so i have to rely on getting the table centered, and then i have a 1 1/2 in expanding arbor so i can cut the chuck flange true. on the lathe So many ways to screw it up. I am sure i wont be filming it...
Have fun with it.
A much simpler solution to making a Rotary Table than mine was 👍
Lol, But I'm sure you had a good time making it.
@@Rustinox Not sure about "Good Time" satisfying in the end though 👍
Michael, I don't know if you watch Brandon at Inheritance Machining but he has just posted part two of his rotary work table so that he can round off parts in the mill without having to setup his very heavy rotary table. It's a work of absolute beauty in fact I'd be scared to use it in case I scratched it. Have a look. It might give you an idea for an auxiliary plate instead of the chuck to mount on your new adapter plate. You could use a piece of your railway line for it. Maybe some shaper work to get it flat first?
Regards from Canada's banana belt.
🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🇺🇦🕊️🇧🇪💩👍
Indeed, I watch Inheritance Machining. He's a real artist.
Nice !
Thanks.
Whenever I cut internal threads for something too heavy to test fit my first step is always to make a male thread the same pitch diameter as the male thread that you're trying to fit a part to. I use thread wires to compare the threads to get the new gauge to be the same, then when the female thread has been cut it takes the guesswork out.
You did get lucky, but good job anyway!
Sounds like a very good way to approach the matter, especially for us not having ages of experience. Some more work of course but a win in the long run.
i have to cut a 2 9/16 x 8 internal thread for a 16 inch lathe chuck, i will certainly make a test plug that fits my back plate first.
That's a good idea. I will remember that. Well, I'll try...
Bonjour très bonne vidéo comme d’habitude…ton problème avec ton indicateur de centrage vient simplement du fait que ta tête n’est pas tout à fait à 90*juste un petit réglage de perpendicularité résoudra ton problème…bonne continuation 👌🍺 …Thierry
After checking, I did find out you are right. Thanks for the tip.
I found my coaxial indicator showed strange things, the answer was in the tram of the head - not in tram... I hope my stuff up helps you
Thanks for your input.
I found the problem. I will show it in the next video.
The centre finders has been crashed, and the stem axial is bent.
It looks like it. For sure.
hey michel, you could clamp that tool a little lower in the holder and look at the roundness of the shaft there. Or is there a possibility you can adjust. something in the house of the clock
I will investigate it one of these days.
re: the coax indicator - look for damage on the body surface faces and the spindle internally. Something is hurt.
I still have to dig in to it. One of these days...
Do the French have a general dislike of Americans? I enjoy the stuff u do.
I don't know. Maybe you should ask the French :)
I always use a normal test indicator on the spindle, either in a chuck/collet or on an indicall, so it's not something I am able to explain precisely, but my guess would be that it's a gremlin? 😂
seriously though, I'm interested to find out if you ever figure it out.
I still have to dig in to it.
The spindle and The hole in the work are not perfectly aligned parallel.
Well, they are. I checked that.