Rotary Table on the Metal Shaper
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Why?? Because I can. Just having some fun in the shop running the big metal shaper. I wanted a reason to use the rotary table on the shaper so I made up one + I enjoy running this machine and getting experience with different setups. I also have a project in the works that will require this setup if I choose to do the work on the shaper. Thanks for watching, I hope you enjoyed
great stuff!
Wow, Great that you would take the time out for a small fry like me, I'm new to the RUclips game as you can probably tell. I am trying hard to make it in a sea of good work and standing outs not easy, You made my day Jimmy, Mrpete commented alot to me yesterday and now Jimmy D :D Thanks alot, you and a hand full of other makers got me started even though you didn't know it. Steve Summers :)
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you know your shaper is too big when you can just throw a full size rotary table on it and still cut slots in a brake.
(I'm jealous).
nice work.
What shaper of yours? I think you might need to do some more videos of your shaper! :p I think his shaper could take both of our shapers and machine them in half in one stroke, lol.
She is full figured not big Tony, LOL Thanks for stopping by , loved the latest video of yours and can't wait to see the outcome. I feel for you every time you post an update knowing how much work and thought goes in to your 15min video. As always, Thanks for stopping by
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I think you've been Noticed, Steve. Congratulations! BTW, I'd kill for that rotary table and chuck setup for my Steptoe.
Thanks Noel, Couldn't hurt anything that's for sure. We will see if if keeps going. How is every with you?
It took me a long time to save up the coin for that rotary table and chuck. Pretty neat setup on the shaper that's for sure. I had to put it on the shaper and give it a go just for fun.
Thanks for stopping by and commenting.
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That was great Steve! Love the ole Cincy shaper, sure wish I had one that size. I appreciate your enthusiasm over doing a job for practice and experience. Looks like your going to have a great channel to view. I'll be sure to check out some more videos.
Thanks for stopping by Adam. , if there is no paying jobs to do, I just make a job up..
It's how I have learned to do a lot of what I know.. of course watching your channel and all the other guys
has also helped. Your always welcome to stop by when your free Adam, I know your a busy guy and I appreciate
your time.. Thanks again; Steve Summers
It's neat going back looking at your older stuff, especially now that your shop is getting a great upgrade.
Just because you can is the best reason in the world to do something. If we all only had the tools we NEEDED we would all watch too much tv. Excellent job. Ben
This old Tony and Jimmy Diresta visit you...so cool and very well done sir
The man who explores his vision in life will prosper. Any flunky can be trained to operate a machine . But real machinist know the how , the why , and the way. It's not the machine a man uses, it's the machinist who can do it all with what he has. My words of wisdom. God bless you and your family
That's awesome Steve, I always wondered about putting a rotery table on a shaper!
Another great demonstration of the versatility of that shaper. Thank you!
Thanks For watching everyone. Please help me and this channel grow, I'm new. Share the video with a friend.
Thank You. Steve Summers
Steve Summers I just shared this video and the one where you level the head.
This is fascinating stuff, so I subscribed.
Well it looks like your rotary table shaper video did very well and you did a very good job with it STEVE. I am enjoying your channel keep them coming.
Thanks Vince, hope the growth keeps moving upward, I was unsure of this video b4 I released it and started not to put it out, I glad I changed my mind. :) I'm editing a new video today and hope to have it out soon.
It may be a 2 part I'm not sure. Thanks for watching Steve Summers
The first time I see such a notch on the brake discs. Super!
great watching your channel and shaper work thanks for sharing it with us ,
Thanks for watching, I would not do it if people like you did not watch it. Glad to have you. SteveSummers
The shaper works great for resurfacing heads and exhaust manifolds. I use brazed carbide and grind into a large radius on a piece of rectangler bar stock. I like those old cincy 24" shapers that your can cut compound angles. Mine is a 22" Wotan with a solid cube. At work they trashed (scraped) the 3 Cincinnatis we had. Wouldn't let us get them, no matter how we tried............. called them obsolete. They work great on Amco metals (18, 21,25) when a mill puts a lot of stress into the operation.
James Spallinger I hate that when a place would rather scrap a machine than let the workers have a chance to get it, I've been there also. The universal table is great, it is the best option you can have if you ask me. I know I have used mine several times. I used it to make the tapered gib for the compound on this shaper in some of my older videos. Thanks for watching; Steve Summers
Good video, never seen a setup like that but it worked great. I'm a lifetime car guy and was a heavy truck mechanic. I wouldn't hesitate to use that rotor, if you were to make another just start your cuts for a left side rotor with the angles opposite so the grooves can expel the hot gas from the brake pad outwards. The rotor you cut is now for right side use. Great idea and nicely done.
James Zivny Thanks, yeah it 4 sure could be used. I thought it would be a fun project and it was. I really appreciate you stoping by and commenting, and Thanks for watching.
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Nice! It introduces a rotary table on a shaper. As to the rotary table, you are really using it as a dividing head. Since I built my own micro-dividing head, which obviously did not come with a chart, if you bought your dividing head without a chart, there is a simple way to figure out what the proper rotations + holes is. I won't go into it but it is all over the place. Don't need no steenking chart. I am really enjoying watching someone do neat things on a shaper. And I see you have gained some really heavyweight subscribers, and all I can say is well deserved. And I envy both the shaper and the lathe :)
Nice job! That was fun to watch.
Yeah, I would say that was a 1st on the shaper. LOL Thanks SteveSummers
Sweet! Nice to have tools, AND the desire to learn!
Thanks, I learn everyday in the shop. Thanks for stopping by. SteveSummers
Cool never thought about using a rotary table on a shaper.
I love it. Absolutely creative
Hello Steve, superb video still, good use of the indexable table, be careful always block the table so as not to damage the worm and the gear, great job again, good continuation, very cordially Thierry
Thanks for stopping by mayhem, easy to forget with so much going on at once, Good eye, I seen it also.
Steve -
One thing I like about the way you produce your videos is when you display text on the screen. You don't leave it on the screen too long. Some people seem to think that their audiance is third graders who struggle reading big words.
If I can read it in the time that it's on screen I think that most can. If people have a hard time catching what was written , all they need to do is rewind and pause like I do. Thanks for stopping by youpattube
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Love it. The interesting thing here is that you can shape the bottom of each groove, by grinding the profile into the tool. Like adding a little longitudinal textures to retain the water by surface tension in the bottom of the groove, while also changing the angle of the sides from 90 degrees, to undercut, so losing the absolute minimum pad contact area.
Yeah I thought it was neat also. There are very few limits on what can be done, a person could make them 100% custom.
Thanks for watching, please share the video with a friend if you get a chance, that would help me out.
Metal shaper.. a very nice machine!
100% that's a first.
I've not used a shaper since I was an apprentice in the 70s.
Great machines for stress relieving steel...so much nicer than ripping it off using a carbide head on a Huron mill.
I had a 2009 Chevy Cobalt that I bought new.
The disc brakes never very good. When the car was in need of a disc brake I was thinking of
returning the rotors on
my lathe but l found a new pair of drilled and slotted rotors and ceramic pads for a price
I couldn't justify turning my old ones. Those rotors and pads were the single greatest improvement I ever did on a car. I should have done it much sooner.
You may already know that the slots are put in the opposite direction from one side to the other. My new ones were marked for left and right. The car was a lot more fun to drive and much safer as well !
Nice job. Thanks for making the video.
Steven Haskell Thank you for watching! Check out my other 50 videos
Hi Steve I just subscribed awesome channel that you have started here. I've not found so much video in one place on metal shapers as you have, so keep up the great shaper vids. Thanks
Thanks Bret, I am glad you found the channel and enjoy it. Thanks for Subscribing
Its good to Just have a little play with the Unknown some times Steve. And your Right it Came up Real Good mate. :)
Hey...I've seen some of your vids in the past, but now I'm hooked (and subscribed)! That is some nice stuff!
Thanks Sketch, I am still new to the video world and a work in progress, Thanks for watching and subscribing.
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Day after 2021 Thanks giving, and have wanted a shaper for couple of yrs now. Hit FB MP early on Thanksgiving, and a Klopp 450 was listed 20 min away. Going this Saturday morning and unless the casting is cracked, should be setting in our shop soon.Watching your little shaper leaving your shop to make move room a few videos back when the DoAll drill came, I was jealouse I missed picking your up. The 450 Klopp will eat up floor space, and I too may have to let another tool go,, but will open up a new avenue for our shop..Keep on Keeping on,,,Hope one day to come to KY to visit your and Brains shops,,Happy 2021 Holidays,,Bear from TX. PS. Had a hoot on toolfest2021. First time to participate in any event, but meet a lot more of YT Creators..
very cool. i love your shaper!
Very cool you know you could do it on mill but it wouldn't be as cool. Great video thanks for sharing.
You are correct Big Bill, not even close to being as cool, that's why I wanted to do it. LOL
Another great video Steve!
Thanks Crafty, I liked making this one even if it's a simple operation.
Thanks for Watching.
Steve Summers you should put a set of these rotors on your car to see how it does...perhaps on a farm truck or something.
Yeah, one day I may give that a shot
Hi Steve great vid and I have to agree with you on being the first to use an indexing head on a shaper on You tube. Here's a challenge for ya, cut curved slots in the disc.
Ill watch anything cut on a shaper. I bought one just to look at it work. You can make anything on a shaper, except money.
thanks for sharing. keep having fun!
Thank you sir for stopping by. Steve Summers
I thank Adom Booth for your channel great work sam
Thanks Sam, Nice to have you here at the channel, I hope you enjoy. SteveSummers
Great job amigo!!
Thank you Rolando, I am glad you liked it. Steve Summers
I also wrap my rotary table and indexing head in cling film to stop the iron dust getting into the mechanism. Unlike steel that makes large cuttings, brake disks give off a highly abrasive dust that needs to be contained by wrapping and using a powerful vacuum extractor.
Andrew Wilson If you look back through my channel you will see that I use large pieces of leather to cover the machine surfaces on the lathe and shaper when machining cast, this stuff makes an abrasive mess, I agree. I don't do it all the time but most. Thanks Andrew, I will try the cling wrap out, seems like an easy way to do it. SteveSummers
Nice set up and yet another informative video. Thanks, Steve. I don’t have nor understand a rotary table indexing plate, but wouldn’t you just move the table 45 degrees for each slot pass (360/8)? It seems the round table has marks going all around it. Wouldn’t you want the slots on each side to be offset so that you are not thinning the material too much on both sides in each groove? Maybe it doesn’t matter. You are a first!
Very cool!
really neat, I thought about doing the same but with a spin indexer that I was building so I can cut square and hex ends on my parts to make bolts and such, that and maybe cut basic gears too eventually. I was always wondering why people wanted slotted rotors, I dont mess with car stuff unless I can melt it, so Im not really sure. Also, Ive seen a few people using rotary tables on the shaper, but mainly for cutting gears and stuff like that. The one was cutting a bevel gear for a small traction engine or small scale locomotive.
Yeah, I have seen the setup several times in the past, but not often. Slotted rotors stay cooler and cleaner than standard rotors. I just wanted to do this for fun. Thanks for watching Chirpy, hope you enjoyed
man, you have all of the big boys watching your videos now, lol. I see mrpete, diresta, and this old tony, lol.
I always like watching the shaper run, it's like watching a fire burn, only more flying shrapnel and stuff being made. (most of the time anyways, some of my bonfires have shrapnel flying and people running, that is always more entertaining to watch tho)
Yeah, seems as if they are interested, I love having them stop in, it gives me hope that I my channel may grow. I love making the videos and would probably make them even if no one was watching. I'm still a small fry Chirpy, my subs and watch count is still extremely low. But that could change, one never knows.
Thanks for watching and chiming in Chirpy.
lol, you may be small now, but with your content, your sure to grow. Also, you know that I would still be watching if noone else was, lol. Also, you have far more subscribers and views than I defenitely do, lol.
Thanks Chirpy, all I can say is that it must be the beard:)
Got me wondering if I can put slots in my 81 Goldwing rotors on my Logan 7” shaper. 🤔
i see that the table has 360 degrees marked in the table. every 45 degrees would produce 8 spaces just like the way you are doing it but i like degrees better Steve. and i like your shaper i have 2 one like yours and a vertical shaper
"You may not want to dick around with your brakes". Sage advice. Great video.
It sure does a nice job. No liability issues if it is for your own vehicle. Besides most accidents have little to do with mechanical problems human error almost every time
G Gordon I was just goofing off, I never intended to use it. This video is one of my older ones . Thanks for stopping by
There's no point in slotting rotors anyhow. Brake pads used to use binding agents that off gassed during hard breaking. Slots and or holes were intended to give the gas an escape so the pad can make better contact during hard breaking. Modern pads don't off gas so slots no longer serve any purpose other than to look cool and well, slightly weaken the rotor.
Before putting the brake disc into operation, it is not necessary to balance? Since you have removed some material ..
New subscriber here, I still only watched some of your videos and I'm enjoying it.
You have a great way, keep it up, and good lucky :)
Well if the rotor was well balanced before it was cut the balance should not change , I do an even amount of cuts all the way around and the same on each side.
Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed.
thumbs up for "the first to do it on youtube"
Thanks. LOL
When skimming disks you need to clock off the mounting face rather than the friction face. The mounting face references the friction face to the hub. I clock to mounting face first and skim friction face true to that. This makes them parallel. Flip over and then machine that friction face true and parallel to the first. Jobs a good one every time.
Andrew Wilson Yes, this is the way I done it when I turned it in the lathe, I was not concerned with complete accuracy when slotting this rotor, it was just for fun and was never intended to be used. Thanks for the comment Andrew, glad to have you stop by. SteveSummers
I Ran an Old Step Toe Shaper back in school 40 years ago
Man, I miss the shaper, do you still have it????
That slot pattern reminds me of the aperture science logo :-) Awesome work!
Yeah it does, I just picked it at random. Thanks for stopping by you Nerd. LOL just kidding I hope you enjoyed it.
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Another fantastic video Steve! I'll admit that I have the disease.....there's just something sexy about machining divisions on a shaper. Cutting splines comes to mind.
Since I know you're in the same part of the world as me; do you have any issues with surface rust due to condensation/rapid temperature change? I've started using Hornady Tap HD Extreme & WD40 Specialist Corrosion Inhibitor, but curious if you have the same issues and what you prefer.
The fact Diresta & (This old) Tony are watching/commenting on your vids speaks to the great job you're doing....keep up the great work & thanks!
Yeah, I could not resist putting the rotary table on the shaper:) Rust is non stop here with the big temp swings and the high humidly. To help stop it from eating my machines I use T9 Boeshield , it dries into a thin wax and is great.
Having Tony , Mrpete222 and Diresta in the last 2 days is great news, it gives me hope that the channel may grow.
I'm still learning the ropes of video editing and would not call myself a pro machinist either ,just a student.
Thanks for stopping by and commenting Robert
@@SteveSummers when you stop learning its time to retire.
If you wanted the slots to be curved, is there a way you could do that on the shaper or would it require a different machine? Some of the slotted discs I've seen were curved slots, not straight.
It was an interesting and entertaining video, thanks for sharing.
Scott If you wanted curved slots it would need to be done on the milling machine. Thanks for watching, Make sure to check out my 50+ other videos if you haven't 👍.
Steve Summers Hypoid bevel gears were originally made on shapers using an attachment which turned the rotary table to cut a curved tooth. I have a dividing head for my 14 inch Elliot which I saved from a hypoid divider.
Nice lookin job for just goofin around. I like that machine...whats a beast like that set ya back? I never see them for sale on craigslist, just machinery dealers
OH, this machine set me back BIG BUCKS... Not really, I paid $500.00 for the shaper. Keep in mind that it was covered in grime and needed some work. And by the way, I bought it from CL
Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed
LOL! You did great, beautiful restoration :)
Makin Sumthin From Nuthin. I cleaned for days,changed the oil adjusted all the gibs and repaired and scraped in the compound, I also had to replace the drive belts.
Steve builds racing parts!
There's a 0% chance I could get 11 turns every time.
I bet you could :) I watch like a hawk when I turn that crank, it's so easy to mess up, ask me how I know.
Very bice work. Thanks.
If YT offered an edit option, I'd remove the b and enter an n for "nice.".
Hey Jeff, look to the right of your comment and see the 3 little dots, click on that and get an edit option.
excellent
Thanks for watching.
A shaper is cheaper, dependable, reliable, and easy to mass produce and IT IS ONE OF THE FEW MACHINE TOOLS USED TO DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY MAKE MACHINE TOOLS, ONCE YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE TO DO IT RIGHT.
Are you able to resurface a rotor with a shaper in a way that resembles one that's been Blanchard ground?
Definitely a first! I don't think I can use my 6" RT on my 7" shaper though. I've been meaning to ask, is that a lug nut on the tool post? And I like the shaper bra too.
Not a lug nut, it's the bolt that came with the shaper when it was new. The shaper bra sure helps to keep crud off the machine surfaces. My rotary table is a 10" and the 4 jaw chuck attached to it is an 8"even though that a big setup it's not even close to as heavy as the vise.
Thanks for watching George, Safe bet that I was the 1st :)
It seems you locked the clapperbox ?? Why ? If you use it you should set the stroke a bit bigger so the clapperbox has time to return Peter from Holland
The clapper is not locked.
Sweet!
Thanks for stopping by
Very cool video nice work? Just FYI I know this was a demo and you stated you had no intention of using this on a car but you would never slot rotors all the way to the edge, as it causes a loud high pitched noise under braking due to the friction material off gassing also the slots should be cut symmetrical on both sides to avoid oscillating the floating calipers. On a passenger car this would only result in accelerated brake wear and very unlikely a pulsating feel in the pedal. On a F1 or say NASCAR you would surely see dangerous vibrations and harmonics with resulting broken components just FYI
Bryan Saunders yeah, I'm no brake expert. Good info,thanks for sharing and Thanks for stopping by.
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Is it possible to plunge cut on a shaper?
Bryan Saunders isn't the reason to do slots gas release? Thought that was the point?
Hi Steve, nice set up. What are you holding with your left hand during the cuts?
Thanks!
chevy250ss. It is the gib lock on the compound, the small amount of backlash in the screw makes it necessary to keep the gib tight so I am only working off of one side of the machine screw. This is a little hard to explain, if I did not do this the cut depth would be harder to control.
Oh, I understand. Thanks for the reply!
can you link the index plate kit
Is it possible to machine a curved surface on a shaper?
What's the name of the dial indicator arm you are using? It looks much easier to set up then mine.
It is a Noga, By far the best holder on the planet, super easy to use. only issue is that they are a little expensive. I got mine used for 30 bucks and would LOVE to have a couple more, I just cant afford them right now. Thanks for stopping by and I hope you enjoyed. SteveSummers
Next use it to sipe your tires. 😂
Great
Tanveer Shah, check out my other videos if you jet a chance. Thanks for watching. SteveSummers
Would a dividing head be strong enough to use on a shaper for this?
Sure, I would not want to push this shapers limits using this rotary table but for common machining yes.
Thanks for watching Kyle
You should put up some flags to help with echoes and give for better sound for videos
This is a different twist on a vertical mill job
I'd run them all day long nice tinkerin
Too cool
Thanks Man, Hope you enjoyed, make sure to check out my channel if you have not already. SteveSummers
how about plunge cutting a spur gear on your shaper there are no videos at all on doing that out there it would make a great video.
Thought about it, even ground a cutter for it. But I'm no expert on gear cutting and need some study time. Gears are complex when you really get down to it. It's on the list.
Thanks for watching and I hope you enjoyed.
cutting them on the shaper makes it much easier, a form tool and a bit of math for your rotatory table and blank and off you go. even less if you use another gear as a indexer , i used to work a shaper many many years ago in my days as a fitter and turner.
keep up the videos some of the best and clearest to understand i have seen.
Thanks, I am glad you like them, they sure are a lot of work to film and explain in a clear way.
Thanks again for watching and commenting Steve Summers
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I worked in a machine shop we didn't have a shaper but by the looks of it you could make gears with it. Pretty cool machine.
What was its basic propus in the first place? I'm sure you could cut cross cuts in a disk brake a lot faster on a different setup and machine. or even add a arc cross cut and not a straight cut askew from center. CNC Bridgeport and like you said a bullnose or ball type cutter. I would imagine you can add a power rotation to the CNC for indexing.
bobbg the shaper is basically the milling machine of the late 1800 to early 1900. They are great for cutting internal keyways in a hole or single point gear cutting. They will also remove large amounts of metal very quickly. Check out some of my other videos and I show different operations
That is good but make it by milling is very easy
Cool video. Love the shaper. How come the clapper didn't "clap" if you know what I mean?
it was , the shaper ram was just going slow and you could not hear it, it is only loud when the ram is going faster and they clap together. Thanks for stopping by Scott. SteveSummers
The metal "itch'r"
Жаль я не понимаю что ты говоришь , но хотя бы понимаю что ты делаешь. Хороший у тебя строгальный станок
where did ya find the indexing plates ? & I only experiment on my ex wifes breaks !
Cast iron rotors?
Rotors are always cast iron. (Unless some fancy stuff like ceramic, etc)
Hubert Behrendt Versus what else?
really? because i work with carbon / ceramic and solid stainless steel rotors daily.
go look at a new HURACAN, or any exotic car
brian alley Didn't I write "unless they are some fancy shmency rotors?
Yes, you did. You also said they are always cast iron. So you contradicted yourself. Stainless rotors are very common, more so than cast iron these days.
So you are obviously confused, contradicting your own self. Thanks for the laughs
I think I would have done 9 slots, but the 8 slots sow how to index better.
11: How prime is a prime number when you can "turn" it into 8 slots? It just don't seem right and yet, there it is...
Великолепно !!!!!!!!
Ok
i don't think you're holding the rotor properly, both braking surfaces should be parallel with the middle surface (the one with the stud holes ) ...just saying....
I turned this rotor in the lathe referencing off the center hole in the hub, turned everything true to the hub then transferred the rotor to the shaper. I them indicated off my machined surfaces on the shaper.. In turn everything was machined using the hub as the original reference. The chuck on the rotary table is also holding the hub. So where am I wrong? Thanks for stopping by Steve Summers
I'm not by any means a guru on this stuff, maybe it works great this way too....from what i know the only thing that matters on a rotor is that the braking surfaces must be parallel with the flat surface on the wheel hub from the car. There are a few guys i know that have some kind of a flange with 4 or 5 studs depending on the rotor, and they are holing the rotors the same way it sits on the car...anyway...just an opinion...Great quick response.... you rock :)
Tanase Andrei yeah, the flat where the holes are is where it references on the car and the surfaces must be parallel with it on order to not shake and go nuts on a car. I was never intending to use this guy, just goofing around with shaper. The jaws of the chuck are referencing on this surface and clamping on the ID . Thanks for checking the channel out, good to have people watching out, I do make a lot of mistakes and I try to learn from them. Thanks for the comment, SteveSummers
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