Maching a Cylinder Head on the Metal Shaper

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  • Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
  • Machining a old cylinder head on the big Cincinnati 24" metal shaper.
    Trying to learn from experience and see what kind of finish I can get and what technique to use in the future if I ever need to do one for myself. I did learn a lot form this attempt and that was the goal.
    Thanks to all my subscribers new and old. I hope you enjoy.

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  • @Abom79
    @Abom79 6 лет назад +72

    Good use of the shaper Steve. Nice job. 👍🏻

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад +6

      Thanks Adam, it worked out real well. I think with some refinement I could get some very good results.

    • @melwilson514
      @melwilson514 6 лет назад +3

      Hi Adam. I watch your content religiously. Your vids on the G & E shaper are fascinating. Keep up all the good work and great projects. I ran a gear hobbing machine at a part time job in Milwaukee while going to Tech school 1969 was a long time ago. Lots of good memories of HS metal shop. Mel

  • @CH-pt8fz
    @CH-pt8fz 6 лет назад +19

    I remember having a argument with my dad , when I was about 20, I said you can't do a cylinder head with the shaper you had to use a Miller or grinder . he smiled bet me a £10 that he could do a better job than I could with the Miller , I lost £10 . lol he used a HSS round nose tool he ground, I used a large fly cutter . he used to say to me you use what is available to you at the time you need it. And yes cost and time are important in the machine shop, but you can't have every machine you need to hand so you have to make do and over come. Its rare to work in a shop that has every size of machine and type you might need so you need know what you want to achieve and work out a plane to achieve it. He worked till he was 75 and always said every day is a school day , and their always another way of doing what you do so always be open minded. it just might be quicker or give better results. And one off jobs are always a different mind set to a production job. :) . keep up the great video's.

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 6 лет назад +39

    Most heads call for a particular required roughness value. Many engines are fairly rough to help bite into the gasket and keep the paper type material from pushing out. The newer engines with the multi layer steel gaskets tend to call for a smoother finish since it is a steel on steel seal on them. You could take the head to the surface plate to see if your clamping caused any distortion. It is always interesting to see the effects and it can be a surprising how little clamping can cause some movement.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад +6

      That is a good idea. I may try that. I tried to make sure I did not over do it with the vise pressure knowing that I was just skimming the head and the cutting pressure was going to be low. But you are very correct about distortion. things move more than most people think. Surprising how much things people think are solid can move/bend with just the smallest amount of pressure. Thanks for watching Brian.

    • @tommasofossati5123
      @tommasofossati5123 6 лет назад +1

      bcbloc02 yeah It would be very interesting!

  • @theshed8802
    @theshed8802 6 лет назад +25

    Hi Steve, nice video, but a couple of hints for future reference that will have a large impact on the job when machining overhead cam cylinder heads and soft materials. Before starting machining, make sure that the cam spins freely in the cam tunnel. One of the problems is that if the head is too far out of shape the cam will bind. if you bolt the head back down, unmachined, it pulls the head straight again and the cam comes free. If the cam binds when the head is off, you need to press the head straight prior to machining it. if you machine it when the cam is biding, the journals can seize and gall, ruining the head.
    when mapping the head, pick up the 4 corners as initial reference points, a precision level is a good tool if your table has been leveled first because it gives a good 'average' reading.
    On the big shaper, because the clapper is so heavy, I often hold onto the clapper by hand and 'manually' lift the tool up on the return stroke to stop it marking the job. Slowing the stroke speed down and a small radius on the back of the tool along with minimal clearance rake on the bottom edge can also help reduce marking the job.
    As you said, this was a learning experience for you. Job well done

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад +1

      The Shed Thanks Greg. I have in the past lifted the clapper myself on return and you are correct it helps. Thanks for all the tips, I have never heard of a cam binding but that makes very good sense. Thanks for watching Greg. I appreciate it.

    • @notsofresh8563
      @notsofresh8563 6 лет назад +2

      Depending on the cylinder head just the act of clamping it to the table can induce warp, if done unevenly or something. Careful where and how hard you clamp the head. If i were to guess, in your setup the back corner closest to you was just a touch high in the setup. If the head was twisted, you would see high spots on opposite corners. If it is warped, either the center or the ends would have been cut in the first pass. If it was cupped, the shaper would have cut on the edges and not the center. The fact that it cut hardest in one corner gradually fading off in both directions says to me that corner was high in the setup. Like you said, Since you never mapped it we will never know. Thanks for the vids, Keep on learning and posting it for our benefit.. We appreciate it..

    • @Sketch1994
      @Sketch1994 6 лет назад +2

      That's something I've seen both car mechanics and even engine machine shops miss when inspecting heads.

    • @garybrown5500
      @garybrown5500 6 лет назад +1

      Great point about cam binding. Been caught out by this myself. Very frustrating. Overcome luckily by line boring just enough to get cam free again.

  • @kejay74
    @kejay74 6 лет назад +4

    Very interesting application. One item I "think" I saw, or noticed, that may have also contributed to the surface roughness between chambers. It appears that the chambers were not cleared of all combustion byproducts. Some of those deposits can approach grinding grit hardness. Dragging those deposits back across, added to the clapper hop, might explain some of the surface as well.

  • @speedbuggy16v
    @speedbuggy16v 6 лет назад

    Thanks for sharing even the small mistakes. I prefer videos, instruction, and training that does that, we are all human, showing our mistakes can help others!

  • @billsmith5166
    @billsmith5166 6 лет назад +2

    I don't know why, but I love shaper videos. Great job setting up the cut.

  • @douglasmeek9774
    @douglasmeek9774 5 лет назад

    Thank you ! Very few people are using shapers now. There aren't even in basic machine shop books. I bought 1 years ago and am going to hook it up now that I'm retired.

  • @saschaoswald480
    @saschaoswald480 6 лет назад +2

    Don't think I'll ever tire of watching that shaper do its thing...

  • @patrickroeill8746
    @patrickroeill8746 6 лет назад

    hi steve love your shaper and that head is fine i'm a mechanic for 35 years and that head is is good Nice job allways a pleasure to watch your shaper videos

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      patrick roeill Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy them👍

  • @houseofbrokendobbsthings5537
    @houseofbrokendobbsthings5537 6 лет назад +2

    Well your crazy idea inspired me to grind my Volvo (aluminum) head on my Boyer Schultz Surface Grinder. Lots of WD40 and a thousandth at a time - we got her flat again. Surface finish was good, not slick as glass. As Brian Bloc noted - you need something to bite the old school composite gasket.
    I barely had enough travel to get it all done. It's going back together and we will see. I used a few of Robin R. (Robrenz) grinder mag plate tricks to hold the head. There wasn't any downward load on the head except from the grinder wheel. My fixtures were essentially parallels and magnetism.
    _Dan_

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      House of Broken Dobbs Things _ with Dan Dobbs Very Nice👍I am sure it will work just fine.

  • @German_MDS
    @German_MDS 6 лет назад +3

    Nice one Steve. Enjoyed the different shots of the machine running. Thanks for sharing!

  • @malcolmtill
    @malcolmtill 6 лет назад +2

    Hi, thanks for an graphic demonstration of a warped cylinder head. I have many times measured for twist on heads, If you find it you send it for skimming. This really shows how you can see the shape of the distortion. Excellent.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад +1

      Malcolm Till Thank you for watching, This head looked to be out a few thou. I am not at all surprised. Aluminum heads seem to warp easy.

    • @christophernewton2579
      @christophernewton2579 6 лет назад

      Malcolm Till they warp like crazy if the engine has been over heated

    • @malcolmtill
      @malcolmtill 6 лет назад +1

      I used to work on Triumph Stag V8s ;-)

  • @terrycannon570
    @terrycannon570 6 лет назад +3

    I really did like the demonstration Steve. I was much more concerned about the interrupted cuts than the back slap of the clapper. The aluminum was a good example of what the clapper is doing. It would be interesting to see what it would look like if it was blued ahead of the back stroke but that would be really hard to do . Great presentation as always. Thanks as always for creating the education on the shaper. I am in the process of restoring a pre WW II Clausing 100 and the truth is that old machine saw more machining before I was born than I will ever see in my lifetime. Just stop for a minute and realize the people (Old Timers) that used these machines before our life even began to exist.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад +2

      Thanks Terry. I need to build a clapper lift bad, dragging the cutter back over the work just don't work well for soft metals. Love the idea of 1900 - 1950 machining, those guys were true manual machinists and skilled craftsman. that is something you don't see much of these days. its sad if you ask me.

  • @kaibroeking9968
    @kaibroeking9968 6 лет назад

    That shaper looks very well cared for and in excellent condition. Hats off to whoever scraped the ram dovetail and the oscillating lever - looks pretty good! (Apart from that: good video, too!)

  • @RGSABloke
    @RGSABloke 6 лет назад +6

    Awesome Steve, thanks for sharing. kindest regards joe.

  • @bearbait2221
    @bearbait2221 5 лет назад

    Real nice finish on that head I used to work in a engine shop and that is better than the head surfacing machine we used.

  • @HotRodPackard
    @HotRodPackard 5 лет назад

    Oh my I love that machine. The vise is absolutely elegant

  • @anthonyarnold906
    @anthonyarnold906 6 лет назад +2

    Love the video man. Looked like you had at it within an .03 setting up. Still amazes me that the tool doesn’t catch on the holes on the surface of the head

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Thanks. The ram on this machine is very stiff and has no trouble skipping over holes. Thanks for watching

  • @ROBRENZ
    @ROBRENZ 6 лет назад +11

    Nicely done Steve. That slight twist of the original surface might have been from your grip in the vise.
    ATB, Robin

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад +4

      ROBRENZ Yeah it very well could have. I did my best to not over clamp this head in the vise and tried to only apply slightly more than needed pressure for the operation. I'm not sure how I could avoid it. LOL. One thing that I have learned about machining is that everything matters and even the smallest amount of pressure changes things. Funny how things people think are ridged can be affected by as little as the weight of a hand. I have found over the years that nothing is as simple as it seems. Thanks for watching Robin I really appreciate it.

  • @JourneymanRandy
    @JourneymanRandy 6 лет назад +2

    What a nice job that shaper is capable of.

  • @eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154
    @eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154 6 лет назад +8

    I went to Vo-Teck Machine shop in 1975. Almost everyone learning to use the shaper, pushed their project out of the vice, onto the floor.
    It was quite interesting.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад +8

      Its a shame kids don't even have shop class around here anymore. I am sure lots of kids would have interest if given the chance. These days getting your hands dirty is considered something the lower class does.

    • @eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154
      @eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154 6 лет назад +8

      Steve Summers I hear ya.
      My high school shop taught ox-acetylene & stick welding, green sand casting, rudimentary lathe, sheet metal soldering/rolling, blacksmith/forging. It's all been abolished due to insurance liability. Same with wood shop.

    • @peterhaan9068
      @peterhaan9068 6 лет назад +3

      Well that must have been awkward!

    • @justinpatterson7700
      @justinpatterson7700 6 лет назад +1

      Peter Haan in shop in my engineering class the first time I used the belt sander I pushed the work against the belt too hard and man that thing flew. Luckily it fell towards the wall but that was awkward to say the least standing there at the time not knowing what I did.

    • @MatthewHolevinski
      @MatthewHolevinski 4 года назад +2

      @@eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154 I would never expect my children to reach adulthood with all fingers and toes intact. If they did, they weren't living right.

  • @JPanyon
    @JPanyon 6 лет назад +1

    Nice video Steve. Abom79 was watching, and I know he's been getting into using a shaper. It'd be a shame to let shapers just fade into obscurity, so thanks for helping to keep them alive.

  • @rickcaposell
    @rickcaposell 6 лет назад +4

    I was told when I was in school 20 years ago when I learned the shaper use kerosene as cutting fluid and a tool with a good size radius will leave a great finish on aluminum

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      rickcaposell I use both from time to time and agree they work in a lot of situations. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I enjoy it.

  • @BillyLapTop
    @BillyLapTop 6 лет назад +1

    Great video! Up until now I did not know what a shaper did or how it did what it does. You have answered a thousand questions for me. Thanks.

  • @mohabatkhanmalak1161
    @mohabatkhanmalak1161 5 лет назад

    Good experiment, machining is all about straight lines and perfect circles.

  • @osirodo6853
    @osirodo6853 4 года назад

    it's a job well done that machine was ready for a few starts I congratulate you blessings

  • @thomvogan3397
    @thomvogan3397 3 года назад

    We had a shaper in the machine shop I retired from. Mostly it gathered dust other than cutting the odd keyway. For cylinder heads we used a rotary broach that only required one pass per cut. A shaper can do a good job, they're just to slow for a production shop

  • @ls2005019227
    @ls2005019227 6 лет назад +1

    Steve, excellent video as always! A couple of things to consider trying; a shear (45°) bit with a very large (nearly flat) radius, and increasing stepover to .030"-.050". Surface finish will improve, & clapper marks go away as the tool rides on work that will be removed. Thanks again!

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Robert Ross I am planing on giving that a try. I just need to grind another tool. Thanks for stopping by

  • @EgressMan2006
    @EgressMan2006 6 лет назад

    Enjoyed that, ran a shaper in high school. Cut a dovetail block I still have.

  • @casual257
    @casual257 4 года назад

    great video, i remember seeing a youtube video, some guy had a large thick piece of glass and had some large sandpaper glued to it, and was machining the head to repair car for resale!

  • @johnstrange6799
    @johnstrange6799 6 лет назад

    I like watching shapers. Usually everything is a high energy critical million RPM death trap flinging bits of anything in it's path, whereas the shaper on the other hand lets you witness a nice even precision operation take place in due time. It's kind of relaxing really.

    • @lookcreations
      @lookcreations 6 лет назад

      fully agree with that. I have ducking for cover when the mill fires up !

  • @jameswhite9237
    @jameswhite9237 6 лет назад +1

    Nice job Steve and love the shaper it a very nice piece of equipment 👍👍

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад +1

      James White Thank you. It's a neat machine to run.

  • @terjeoseberg990
    @terjeoseberg990 5 лет назад

    So this is how they resurface cylinder heads? I've sent several in to be resurfaced before, but never knew how it was done. Thanks for posting this. Great channel!!

    • @JRBUISEXCAVATING
      @JRBUISEXCAVATING 5 лет назад +1

      Terje Oseberg no this is not how most engine machinists deck a head. They typically use a very large, specially designed fly cutter. I’ve never seen anyone use a shaper to deck a head, but it appears as though it’s possible and this gentleman did a very nice job for his first attemp.

  • @MrUbiquitousTech
    @MrUbiquitousTech 6 лет назад +1

    Nicely done, very interesting. Nice shaper you have there!

  • @markl2761
    @markl2761 6 лет назад

    Just amazing what you are accomplishing with your shaper. Great video

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Thank you Mark. I am no different than anyone else, Lots of talented guys and girls (Emma ) out there doing cool stuff with shapers. I just film it. :-) Thank you for watching.

  • @somebodyelse6673
    @somebodyelse6673 6 лет назад +3

    Somebody went thumbs down on a 'lets see if we can do this' experiment? Heartless...
    I wouldn't have thought the finish on cast aluminum would be noticeable different, learned something there.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      somebody else Can't please everyone all the time, some people will 👎 if they hate the color shirt I wear. I stopped worrying about those a long time ago. Some people get their feelings hurt easy and follow you forever giving 👎on every video good or not. It's part of the deal I guess ☺.

  • @torque350hp
    @torque350hp 6 лет назад +1

    Great video. I was wondering the same sort of thing, if you could shape a nice usable flat surface for something like this. Interesting results. Thank you very much.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад +1

      I checked the final surface on the plate and it feels great. Big surfaces are tough to get flat and even finish on. Thanks for watching

  • @davidhamilton7628
    @davidhamilton7628 6 лет назад +1

    I agree about the material that's why it won't hold a spark plug. good job

  • @skeeter50001
    @skeeter50001 6 лет назад

    I think this is a very good job. Years ago in my other life, I had to have
    several heads resurfaced. I think the shops used a "table type grinder",
    Its been a few years back. I think you have a good handle on this.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Skeeter Holeman Thank you. I do my best. I an always learning.

  • @seraphim1833
    @seraphim1833 6 лет назад

    Nice work and beautiful machine. Subscribed. Keep up the good work!

  • @bryans5150
    @bryans5150 6 лет назад

    Steve.. thanx much for taking the time to make the videos. You simplify a dying art that most of us took for granted in our high school years. I'm not a kid anymore and you lit the fire of knowledge not only in myself but now my kids. You are providing a priceless service to the next generations with their limited exposure and I hope everyone realizes the importance of your contributions...Please keep em coming and Thank You again and again....My boy is saving money for a rotary table...good stuff!

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      bryans5150 Thank you for watching. I do it for folks like you👍

    • @bryans5150
      @bryans5150 6 лет назад

      Steve Summers we'll send u some pics of the blossoming shop when we leave the hospital..thanx again

  • @marknewsome9563
    @marknewsome9563 6 лет назад +1

    Great video, keep them coming!

  • @melwilson514
    @melwilson514 6 лет назад

    I was just going to comment that ABOM79 got a shaper. I read down the comment and discovered He is already here. Good vid. Mel

  • @richardgalli7262
    @richardgalli7262 5 лет назад

    nice work

  • @deemstyle
    @deemstyle 6 лет назад +1

    Always enjoy your videos, Steve. Cool stuff; I would have never thought about flattening a cylinder head on a shaper. I suppose in a way, flattening material is exactly the main job of the shaper. Really neat!

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Yeah, Flat surfaces is the game of the shaper :-) Thanks for stopping by

  • @garymucher9590
    @garymucher9590 6 лет назад

    I watched because I was interested to see how the interrupted cut would happen across the combustion chambers. Looks pretty good though and I am sure it would bolt up and run very well again. Nice project.

  • @meyoucajun1139
    @meyoucajun1139 6 лет назад

    Steve, great video, I use a round nose tool on mine and it give a great finish, could not that one real good, I love my shapers, don't three of them is enough, they are fun to watch, thanks for sharing

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Three is a good start :-)

    • @meyoucajun1139
      @meyoucajun1139 6 лет назад

      that is not what my wife says, not counting all the lathes, mills and drill presses, someday there is going to be one big yard sale she says when I am going ????????

  • @jimzivny1554
    @jimzivny1554 6 лет назад

    Nice experiment. I wouldn't stone the surface, most modern multilayer gaskets need to bite into the surface to seal properly, also for an aluminum cylinder head it was pretty flat. You mentioned a heli-coil for the spark plug hole repair, I stopped using them for bad plug holes years ago and use Time-sert brand or style inserts, its a solid piece instead of a coil of wire and I believe it's a much better repair, I know there's a million guys who swear by helicoils but they aren't the best for every application. If you look for Bruce Whitham's RUclips channel he's got some very good videos on them.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      I have used those 1 piece inserts in plastic before and I agree they are better in a lot of ways. I will check out Bruce's channel and see what he has to say. Thanks James

  • @LittleshopofFredrik
    @LittleshopofFredrik 6 лет назад +1

    Great video Steve! I need to go find an old cylinder head in my toolshed now ;)

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Little shop of Fredrik Go do it, very good experience if nothing else. The only reason I done it was to learn.👍

  • @triphonikstudio
    @triphonikstudio 6 лет назад

    So satisfying to watch 🤘🏼

  • @chuirios365
    @chuirios365 2 года назад

    The surface finish is way better than the specified finish!

  • @ChirpysTinkerings
    @ChirpysTinkerings 6 лет назад

    Cast aluminum is defenitely another beast to machine and to get a good finish on, I mainly do A356 cast, but rarely, Ive done A413, and the silicon in it is about as abrasive to the cutting tool as cast iron is alot of the time. A413 has double the silicon content, so it just acts like machining sand paper sometimes. The best thing Ive found was to use my homemade cutting fluid and an extremely sharp tool.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Thanks Chirpy, I thought you would chime in on the cast :-) It really started to degrade the cutting edge after two passes. This was a T15 grade piece of HSS and is good at abrasive material, but I did have the edge ground weak and sharp. if I had to do over I would have chosen a different grind. I don't have a lot of experience machining cast aluminum Thanks for stopping by.

  • @elcuhhh8761
    @elcuhhh8761 6 лет назад

    That's a really nice shaper

  • @jfbeam
    @jfbeam 6 лет назад

    Nicely done. Not exactly the speediest way to deck a block/head, but "if all you have is a hammer..." Perhaps an air hose (cool mist, etc.) to help keep chips from getting caught on the return?

  • @rustymachineshop9456
    @rustymachineshop9456 6 лет назад +10

    Thanks for the video i like shaper work but a old machinest said u can make anything on a shaper but money

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад +4

      These days they are for 1 off work not production. I have also heard people say the same thing :-) For special work the shaper is still a great machine.

    • @MakinSumthinFromNuthin
      @MakinSumthinFromNuthin 6 лет назад +10

      I would rather not make money and have a shaper to play with given a choice :)

    • @cosprint
      @cosprint 6 лет назад +4

      rusty machine shop I had an old guy tell me not to waste my time learning TIG welding. Everything has its place. glad I learnt how to Tig.

    • @whidbeyman
      @whidbeyman 6 лет назад +4

      Danylo66 Some old guys are full of negativity. Thank goodness for the many who aren’t.

    • @Baard2000
      @Baard2000 4 года назад

      @@SteveSummers I have a friend who worked at tools making shop of the Fokker production plant near Amsterdam airport. The still had a shaper for machining very long tool dies needed for bending .
      How much the management wanted to get rid of it as with milling it could be done much quicker....... The distortion if the long dies was incredible..... So long parts , needed yo be straight, were always done on the " slow" shaper....
      One guy working with the shaper was approached by manager to make THICKER chips.. Ok he said , and removed 4 mm depth making THICK chips. Manager gave him compliment for working so fast. After the last stroke the operator threw the long die in the scrap bin. Manager asked him : what do you do now???!!! Answer: YOU WANTED THICK CHIPS.......NOW THE DIE IS TOO THIN....SOO IT IS SCRAP....
      Manager never spoke again to people working on the shaper to work faster...HAHAHA

  • @nakternal
    @nakternal 6 лет назад

    Now that was cool.

  • @Malice11029
    @Malice11029 6 лет назад +1

    very nicely done, a good thing to remember is that there will ALWAYS be a little bit of sand in a sand-castings'* surface, i'm sure you'd improve the finish a little by removing chips a little better( light compressed air maybe?)

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Malice min Thanks Make sure to watch the update video so you can see what I ended up with after several more trys.

  • @NathanOkun
    @NathanOkun 5 лет назад

    Paint the two -- up/down and in/out -- controls different colors. Maybe do that with all such controls in every equipment in your shop to make sure that you automatically select the right one at all times, no matter what machine you are using. Just an idea...

  • @ecrusch
    @ecrusch 6 лет назад +4

    That came out great Steve.
    I think you're being hard on yourself.
    I've watched you from the beginning and you have made steady progress since you started.
    I remember when you got that machine and brought her home.
    You got that thing cleaned up real nice, and working great.
    I think if you can pick up an automatic return lift, you'll be in business.
    This is one of my favorite channels and I always tell my friends to check you out and subscribe.
    Hey, 6, 400 subscribers ain't nothing to sneeze at!
    Keep it up Steve and we'll all be waiting for the next video.
    Thanks
    Eric

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Thanks Man, I just seen your comment and really appreciate it. RUclips has been tough. It takes a lot of late nights. LOL Thanks for the support I would not do it without people like you, I know guys like you are out there and that's the main reason I do it. Thanks again Eric

  • @juanrivero8
    @juanrivero8 6 лет назад

    There is a channel -- *shaper andi* -- which has a lot of useful stuff. One of the things is using a rubber band to retract the clapper. Something like that might help the drag problem.

  • @davidlostumbo6845
    @davidlostumbo6845 Год назад

    On a head broche .005 is normal for the rotary fly cutting head . So your setup was correct.

  • @ruperthartop7202
    @ruperthartop7202 6 лет назад

    Great video Steve

  • @AnOriginalYouTuber
    @AnOriginalYouTuber 6 лет назад

    Hand scraped ways. Nice!

  • @dws_damiansworkshop
    @dws_damiansworkshop 6 лет назад

    As it is common use to vari the thickness of the cylinder head gasket in development of gasoline engines to change the compression ratio on a prototype, it might lead to increased knocking in high-powered engines if you remove too much material without compensating with thicker sealing material. Nonetheless a nice video and good practice. Well done.

  • @ofujuncky
    @ofujuncky 6 лет назад

    Nice job think it very usable!

  • @CompEdgeX2013
    @CompEdgeX2013 6 лет назад +1

    That was cool...Think I might enjoy this channel.. ;-)

  • @lookcreations
    @lookcreations 6 лет назад

    Interesting Steve - certainly doable as you say - I think you could put a 'clapper lift' assembly together pretty simply with your skills ! I was thinking of a kids bike brake cable and then cam to push it on the machine body - some sort of small addition to the box to attach it to. You are only talking about a lift of a .125" I dont see why it would need to be more. Take a look at the Klopp shaper of Adrian Straub - he shows a few details of the assembly on his machine. All the best my friend. Mat

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      lookcreations That is a good idea Matt, I like the bike cable setup. It would need to move very freely in order for the clapper to seat property tho. I know that Cincinnati used a friction system that was neat and supposedly worked well. I have seen the Kopp drawings and there was a lot of good info in those pictures. Thanks for watching Matt it's good to see you

  • @robertkutz
    @robertkutz 6 лет назад

    Steve nice work.

  • @alexandersmith7583
    @alexandersmith7583 6 лет назад

    You could probably do a engine head and easily put a head gasket on that and it would work because when skimming the head there taking the warp out it so head is straight and no gap between the head and block

  • @javiersaulino1531
    @javiersaulino1531 4 года назад

    Excelente !!

  • @mauromauro9149
    @mauromauro9149 2 года назад

    Is better the lathe machine for this job , and you ve got one ... good vídeo!!

  • @houseofbrokendobbsthings5537
    @houseofbrokendobbsthings5537 6 лет назад

    Good stuff Steve - I wondered how it would work. Thanks for being out front and trying it. Maybe blue it before you take some cuts to spot and craters before you fixture it up ? Curious how it stacks up compared to a fly cut on a mill.
    - Dan-

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      House of Broken Dobbs Things _ It was fly cut from the factory and was not really smooth if you ask me. I could easily feel the lines with the finger nail. After I machined it on the shaper the surface felt to improve. I am still working on it trying different cutters to seee what works best. I may do a follow up video and show my results. Thanks for watching and good to see you again😀

  • @BolderBats
    @BolderBats 6 лет назад

    smooth surface!

  • @Siporax1
    @Siporax1 6 лет назад +4

    Damn, yesterday me and a friend talked about head on the shaper. Now, watching you, a crazy idea comes to my head. What if you mount a tool post grinder, or something like that, instead of the clapper. Put the shaper on slow speed, and let it rip? Would make some cool video. ;)

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      The tool post grinder on the shaper is a cool idea but I think in reality the finish would suck. I just don't think the ram moves smooth enough to get a good finish running a grinding wheel. I could be wrong . I must admit that it is a cool thought and image though:-)

    • @Siporax1
      @Siporax1 6 лет назад

      You never know. It may come out perfect, or the grinding wheel might explode. As I said- just a crazy idea. :)
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    • @Siporax1
      @Siporax1 6 лет назад

      www.dapcom.com/hamfriends/ko7r09.htm

    • @robmckennie4203
      @robmckennie4203 6 лет назад

      I have seen people setting up their shaper as a surface grinder, but I think it's better suited to roughing hard materials rather than getting a nice surface, but I could be wrong.

    • @notsofresh8563
      @notsofresh8563 6 лет назад

      Probably dont want grinding abrasive in the ways either. Grinders generally have better guards and seals on the ways.

  • @ThAtGuY-u9d
    @ThAtGuY-u9d 6 лет назад

    I like the Ram Cam, you should hook it up for cutting action to.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      I may try it in the future, and see if I can get good footage. Thanks for watching

  • @cavemansmancave9025
    @cavemansmancave9025 6 лет назад

    RUclipsr Challenge -- Fix the spark plug hole and make it a good head again. it would be a great learning experience. including the valve seat. :-)
    Great video. I have rarely seen a cylinder head that didn't warp slightly once it was heated up even under normal conditions. 3 thou is usable as is. Of course, you probably already know that since you've had a couple of engines apart.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад +1

      Caveman's Mancave I have done more than my share of motor rebuilds and repairs, that what I did for a living about 10 years ago. I dont like it as much as I used to. As far as the head repair goes the time invested in repairing this head was way way to much for me. I opted for a junkyard head that was good. It would be neat to show the repairs though.

    • @cavemansmancave9025
      @cavemansmancave9025 6 лет назад

      Yes, not as much fun for me, either. Junkyards are a man's playground. I've gotten a few spare parts out of them myself. I'm just thinking in terms of the challenge, not actually making any money off it. but then again, raw material for a future aluminum cast part? The wheels are turning. Probably just spinning in the mud but fun to watch. :-)

  • @doylesmith754
    @doylesmith754 6 лет назад

    Try some olive oil or I have used dark heavy cutting oil with high sulphur. the heavy cutting oil makes it too slick to the point it will blow the head gasket . That was on a surfacer with cbn cutter @ normal feed speed.The oil makes a big difference.

  • @MichaelRadelet
    @MichaelRadelet 6 лет назад +1

    I work in an engine shop and that warp doesn't look like it's anything uncommon from an aluminum head that was overheated.

  • @bertwacaser6719
    @bertwacaser6719 6 лет назад +2

    Hi Steve got an idea that might eliminate the return marks, why not hang a small piece of leather off the back of the cutter that way when the cutter returns it has something soft to hit on instead of metal to metal.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад +1

      Bert Wacaser That is a very good idea.;-)

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Lots of good info. Thanks.

    • @infoanorexic
      @infoanorexic 6 лет назад

      That's an idea worth investigating. I've got a least one old leather belt needing 're-purposed.' If I can find it.......

    • @twistedupright8697
      @twistedupright8697 6 лет назад

      An air foil should help lift the tool on the return?

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      SWIMASAP The clapper box is very heavy and the ram moves no where near fast enough for that to work. Very different idea I must say. Thanks for watching

  • @jeffryblackmon4846
    @jeffryblackmon4846 6 лет назад

    It's good seeing shapers at work. Weren't they once considered old-fashioned?

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Yeah and to most they still are :-)

  • @aussiman77181
    @aussiman77181 6 лет назад +1

    try a shear cut tool you might find you wont need to make a automatic tool lifter i have gotten a really good finish on aluminum with one of those tools

  • @bulletproofpepper2
    @bulletproofpepper2 6 лет назад

    The head could be heat warped? Good work. Thanks for sharing.

  • @MikeBaxterABC
    @MikeBaxterABC 4 года назад

    A Shaper or Planer was THE way to skim heads since for ever . there was simply no other way to do it ... in fact you still hear the term "Plane the Heads" used in hot rod circles to this day.

  • @zeke1eod
    @zeke1eod 5 лет назад

    Great video, I would like to see if it would handle like a Detroit 60 series head size wise, and they aren't aluminium. Thanks for sharing, God bless

  • @ront8270
    @ront8270 3 года назад

    Maybe you can check the milling machine out to see if it does any better

  • @mitchyelvington4776
    @mitchyelvington4776 4 года назад

    I was wondering if you could do this ? On a shaper!

  • @jackrichter6400
    @jackrichter6400 6 лет назад

    I have done this many times and in lathes, you just have to clock on the 4 corners of the head. The newer alu heads warp very bad.

  • @t.d.mich.7064
    @t.d.mich.7064 4 года назад

    The head must be off the white Geo parked out the back 40!

  • @carlquib
    @carlquib 6 лет назад +1

    I wonder how a 45° shear bit would preform on that material? I have never tried to machine cast aluminum on a shaper, might have to give it a whirl some time.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      I may test that, never tried it on cast aluminum.

  • @Guds777
    @Guds777 6 лет назад +1

    Can't you weld up the plug hole and drill and tap new one.

  • @superrodder2002
    @superrodder2002 6 лет назад

    If the head was only out by .003 tir then it would be considered serviceable as is and most surfaces aren't machined perfectly smooth so the gasket has something to hang on to.

  • @michaeleaston547
    @michaeleaston547 5 лет назад

    Great videos. Thank you. Could the vise be off a wee bit?

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  5 лет назад

      This is a older video. Check out my channel by clicking on my profile picture and watch the video posted after this one. I find out the answer. I was very surprised at the cause.

  • @drbrono
    @drbrono 6 лет назад

    I was wondering - do they make carbide tooling for shapers? I know shapers are typically not used today as milling machines have replaced them in what they do and HSS cutters are traditionally used with shapers, but could you successfully use carbide tooling on them such as brazed carbide cutter or carbide insert tooling? Also, what coolant do you use when machining aluminum? I know we used to just use kerosene.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      drbrono Carbide is not great on the shaper due to the interrupted cut. The clapper also drags the cutter in reverse over the work and breaks the cutting edge. I have tried it a few times without success. I use wd40 for aluminum . Thanks for watching 👍

  • @zircontweezers4904
    @zircontweezers4904 6 лет назад

    great

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Thanks for watching 👍.
      Make sure to check out my 50+ videos

  • @Johnditit
    @Johnditit 5 лет назад

    Could you bore and tap that spark plug hole and make a threaded insert with a properly tapped hole for a spark plug, using jb weld or tig welding the threaded insert into place? I think you could save that head.

    • @jacobpoucher
      @jacobpoucher 5 лет назад +2

      lol jb weld delete your comment.

  • @BigBoss-rh7zq
    @BigBoss-rh7zq 6 лет назад

    That is an alloy with a good percentage of silicon. Check your tool for wear, silicon can kill your sharp edge quickly.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Big Boss it was hard on the tool. This was a t15 grade tool steel cutter also. From what I read t15 is very abrasion resistant.

  • @michaelskoblin2315
    @michaelskoblin2315 6 лет назад

    I would bet that a carbide tool bit with some tap-magic for aluminum, and it would work. good try, as long as we all learn.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers  6 лет назад

      Michael Skoblin Brazed carbide works fairly well for some things on the shaper. I'm sure it would work well for this seeing that this cast aluminum is very abrasive. Tap Magic is what I was using. It's good stuff. Thanks for watching.

  • @scotts439
    @scotts439 6 лет назад

    why is the clapper box not clapping? rigid mounted tool? Great video

  • @alexandersmith7583
    @alexandersmith7583 6 лет назад

    You can fix it with a thread plug to fix that stripped sparkplug thread hole