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WARNING! If you haven't seen Angel yet, I'd avoid reading the comments, there are a lot of spoilers ahead.
You have been warned.
catlover12670 you know I wish I could erase all of my knowledge of Buffy and Angel so I could rewatch it again for the first time if you are reading this and you have not seen Buffy or angel I envy you so much you're in for an awesome emotional rollercoaster of Awesome
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Not to take it too far, but does anyone see similarities between Angel, and the earlier series Forever Knight? Both shows feature vampires trying to make up for their past by fighting crime or evil. In Forever Knight, the vampire is a police detective, in Angel, a private investigator. Both men have vampires from their pasts who they were once companions or friends with, but with whom they have a strained relationship with now. Forever Knight seemed more like a standard police drama with a vampire thrown in, where as Angel is set in a more supernatural world.
Of the two shows I probably would say I like Angel better, since it was an extension of the Buffy world.
I have been planning a Buffy marathon to watch all seven seasons. I realized it would be an opportunity to watch the Angel series as well, integrating the Angel episodes in with the Buffy episodes that are cross over stories, or where events in one show have a concurrent effect int the other.
That said, I would welcome any suggestions as to in what order to watch both shows together, so as to get the whole Buffy/Angel experience.
"If nothing that we do matters, then all that matters is what we do." Possibly my favorite quote.
of my favorite episode
Mine too
Huh
UM, BECAUSE BUFFY VERSE IS THE BEST EVER. AS IF!!!&
My second favorite, right after, "It might be bunnies."
I loved Lorne, a character that began as a fun loving pacifist demon...and ended as a broken shell of his former self after taking a life. Every character went through changes in the series, but because he was my favourite character, for me, Lorne's was most heartbreaking.
Lorens actor died. It was sad.
RIP Andy Hallet
very true that was sad
Yes sadly he did die at a really young age too :(
You forgot the most important point. The question that looms over the fifth season and regards to the underlying themes of the duality between the main two characters. The study of primal force in comparison to the evolved stance of all mankind. The question whether it's best to just go with it, independent, or to band together, even when there is so much more to lose that way. Whether there is selfishness in unity and selflessness in the lack of it. The threads that tie in one of the saddest moments of the season. The age old question that even left the entire fanbase divided.
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Who would win in a fight, cavemen or astronauts?
Do the astronauts have weapons?
+Veikko Elo Fred died to answer that question, cavemen win.
+Veikko Elo Cavemen would win of course. As soon as they mangle your equipment from the Astronauts uniform and break through the glass. Bye Bye Astronauts.
+Veikko Elo Do the astronauts have weapons?
+Mu Lyo Astronauts are often trained military personnel. I'll put any martial arts practitioner (i.e. most everyone in the military) up against some undisciplined caveman, any day of the week.
Angel is so much more than just a buffy spin-off.
Wesley is one of the greatest characters in fiction period
"Wesley is one of the greatest characters in fiction period"
... which is pretty amazing considering how he started.
Wesly is the batman of angel
His final scene is, probably, one of the most heart-rending scenes in all of television. A moment which, even to this day, I cannot get through without bawling my eyes out. As far as character development, few characters in the Buffy/Angelverse, save, maybe, Faith (and Willow, too), had such an amazing arc.
Angel attempting to kill him after the Conor fiasco was the best seen ever
I agree to an extent just because i love what they did with his character growth.
Everytime I see Fred and Westley together my heart breaks a little
So does mine but only because she should've been with Gunn. The Fresley storyline was such bullshit.
@@angelus1738 Nah !! , the Fresley's were clearly meant to be since the beginning !!!
@@giuliapicchiotti Definitely not lmao just look at how bs it was that she eoft Gunn for killing someone for her and then started to like Wesley for killing someone for her. Made absolutely no sense. It was all rushed, forced, dribble.
you are my sunshine my only sunshine you make me happy.....this song
I love Angel almost as much as I love Buffy - I think I'd love it more if behind the scenes drama hadn't led to the character assassination of Cordelia. I won't be too spoiler-y but to this day it bothers me, and I agree with/ understand why people place Angel Season 5 so highly (Fred/Illyria centric episodes in particular are fantastic), but as someone who couldn't stand Cordy on Buffy and then fell in love with her on Angel, that's a betrayal from Joss I don't think I'll ever get over. Especially because of the way Charisma was treated. It's all just a horrible situation, and I do feel that Season 5 suffered terribly without her. After watching Buffy/Angel so many times, Cordy overtook Willow as my all-time favourite Buffyverse character and it does almost entirely ruin Angel for me. I don't think it's just a case of me going "waaaaaaaa look what they did to my favourite character" - it is legit shady what they did to both the character and the actress.
I agree with that my favourite character was always Cordelia and I hated season 5 and then we got her back only for them to kill her, and why was she the only original character from Buffy to die ? It was unfair I think she had the purist heart as some of the things the other characters did where for selfish reasons Cordelia in Angel never acted selfishly she always did it for others
Yes! Cordelia was my everything back then. I remember campaigning so hard to bring back Angel for season 5 and then we finally got the show back! ...just without Cordy. I was so disgusted that I stopped watching. That is, til that amazing episode You're Welcome. Gah, my poor Cordy loving heart! :(
Now hearing Joss's ex-wife tell all about how he was sleeping with many of the actresses behind the scenes, it really makes you wonder if he was angry at other things besides her pregnancy. Maybe he felt scorned by her?
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i don't think he was scorned as much as he was angry that Charisma got pregnant. He said in 2012 that he always felt angry, (re: his line for the Hulk in "The Avengers". His, then, wife pointed out that correlated line to him, well after the movie had wrapped.) His wife's revelations & his non-denial don't make him less misogynous to me. i just see more. i get a little more creeped out watching Emma talk about her experience working on Buffy, bc she *doesn't talk* about it. The BTS footage of him & Amber. Just..stuff like that. i heard a man joking about buying 'sanitary napkins' for his wife, and comparing it to shopping for toothpaste if you never had a mouth. As a woman, i can just tell who he slept with.
@@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 What was the behind the scenes stuff you're talking about. I have all the DVDs but I never rewatched the stuff knowing what I know now.
Honestly, I love Angel more than Buffy, it just had a more lasting impact on me. Not just an great spin off, it's an amazing show in its own right
Buffy was made for school kids/early teens, Angel was for late teens/young adults
@@northernsupernova1 *Angel was made for everyone.
It's just such a shame that Joss Whedon hates women so much that he took revenge on Charisma Carpenter by destroying Cordelia Chase.
Yes he did - research it if you don't believe me. (to those that dont already know, not you personally northensupernova)
cavemen or astronaut?
CAVEMEN!
Oliver Sacco oh yeh I loved that part XD
Briony Collins me too
Just an ordinary fangirl what team?
Oliver Sacco Astronaut :P :)
This is an underrated gem of a show. Seasons 1 & 2 were amazing, 3 was good, 4 was meh. But season 5 was brilliant especially with the addition of Spike. Angel's & Spike's scenes together made the season. Was gutted when it was cancelled... I wish they got a chance to end the show on their own terms.
Season 4 amazing, every episode felt like a mini movie with a lot of action to, the only thing some people dislike is the cordelia storyline, but i can look past that easily, such a fun season.
There are comics that continue the story
@@tvguy61to be honest, it kinda does, and if you woulda told me before I watched Angel season 5 that they would bring him back I would think it’s a bad idea, however after watching it I’m glad they did, even if it does diminish his sacrifice a little
Actually I didn't like season 2 very much, with Darla's return it got a bit boring. Season 4 was better for me. The villain was unbeatable and we saw Angelus's return too. AWESOME
You should read "After The Fall", the direct, canon follow-up comic series. It's well-written, very interesting, and the art style is pretty good. I've only personally read the first, but I definitely think it lives up to the TV series.
people should at least watch season 5 because spike and angel together is the funniest and best thing you'll ever see
"They're looking at the wee little puppet man."
Correction: Spike is what makes it what it is!
I've actually only seen season 5, because Spike. ❤️
Agreed. Just finished watching Angel and Buffy a week again. And Season 5 of Angel is astonishing and Amazing.
@@missnaomi613 s3 is incredible
The last half of Season 5 starting with Smile Time (also included You're Welcome) is my favourite run of episodes in television ever. Such a great way to wrap up the Buffyverse.
I would have said David Boreanaz was enough reason to watch Angel, but this is a good video detailing the additional reasons.
I can't wait for the Angel retrospectives.
Wesleyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. It's hard for my friends who I've only gotten through Buffy to understand my undying intense affection for his character. Like really you're in love with the lame new watcher? And I'm just crying my bitter AtS fan tears. Seriously so many people get hung up on not watching Angel because of Angel. Which I admit is kind of a hurdle and how well I like his character probably corresponds to what's going on in the plot. At the end of the day though you are passing up an incredible ensemble show in the world of Buffy, because Angel was bland teen girl bait in Buffy. I don't know why it's so hard to believe he'd more interesting and dynamic on his own show.
Also the show is so dark I joke you could play the sad drinking game in season 1. SPOILERS! Take a drink for every time a character in the shot is a character who is dead by the end of the series. It's sort of mind boggling to think about when watching earlier seasons.
+Rachel Glenn That drinking game is IMPOSSIBLE.
Haha, I know.
If you REEEEEAALLLY want to go on a bender, play that drinking game while watching Game of Thrones.
If you count the fact that Angel is also dead (throughout and at the end of the series), you'd be hammered before the end of episode one!
WESLEY: Don't I go off and have one last perfect day? Smell the flowers, or sky-dive, or have a go with Mistress Spanks-A-Lot... or whatever the hell one is supposed to do in this situation.
ILLYRIA: Mistress who?
WESLEY: There is no perfect day for me, Illyria. There is no sunset or painting or finely-aged scotch that's going to sum up my life and make tonight any... There is nothing that I want.
yes! he's back at last. This is interesting because I actually prefer Angel to Buffy. There's definitely more character growth, better story lines, it's darker. Characters are very flawed and it's the best thing about Angel and Buffy
What about Buffy seasons 3&5&6 though? I guess still not as dark as Angel, but close in my opinion.
Daniel Young yeah, I agree, Buffy season 6 was really dark, but in a different way. Like Ian said, Buffy is all about growing up , and Angel about finding a meaning in life as a grown up
+Adna Velic That's true. The characters (beside Buffy) only seemed to grow up rather quickly in season 7, didn't they. I wish Joss had handled it more consistently but that's an argument for another day...
+Daniel Young (conchashima) yes, I mean just look at say Cordelia in season 1 on Buffy and season 2 or 3 of Angel. like a completely different person. Willow and xander didn't change as much
+Adna Velic Willow didn't change as much? I don't want to start a "which show is better" thing (Because they're both awesome), but I'd say it's a pretty long journey from "Heh, I said 'date'!" to "Bored now".
But... the question remains: What's a rogue demon?
I always got to smile about that :D
A demon that operates purely on principles of self-interest and self-entertainment with no loyalty to any higher power or purpose.
@@bradypostma5167 so... a normal demon?
I miss Doyle :'(
RIP Glenn Quinn
Wesley has one of the best character arks I have ever seen and I’ve seen a lot. I am rewatching BTVS and Angel right now and from seeing Wesley in BTVS he was nerdy and very different to how he ended. He was head boy to rouge demon hunter to dark (because he was neglected) to depressed. And I could go on forever about many small and large things/events that you see that changed him as a person.
Honestly, I’m glad they finished where they ended up to. Yes, it would have been exciting if they continued with the show but it ended on a nice ring to it. There is the comics, but I’m not the biggest fan of them. There should be more recognition on Angel and BTVS, they are both very interesting shows. I grew up on these shows and they will always be one of my favourite shows out there, also if you have seen sg1 watch SGU, because that is very interesting.
The episode where Angel turns into a puppet in season 5 is one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen. He was so adorable as that little grumpy puppet. I loved that episode. lmao 😂
"It's on netflix". YEEEY Finally! *Looks at date this video was uploaded* NOOOOOO!!
IffeOnline it’s on hulu
It's on Disney +
I got pretty far in this show for Cordelia, but Connor ruined it for me. I'm a Dawn apologist, but there's no excuse for Connor.
But idk, maybe I'll suffer through a few more bad episodes if season five is as good as people say it is.
Connor literally grew up in the worst hell dimension, he has the best excuse.
I should have been clearer. I didn't mean that Connor has no excuse. I meant that the writers have no excuse for creating him.
+thepispsilent I hate Connor too but I think the writers reedeemed him (and themselves) in season 5 ep "Origin". I actually liked him there
Baby shark do do da do to do.
Honestly, Connor is a little shit; but at least he's not Kennedy. She's the worst of BtVS or Angel.
I equally love both shows! Its like picking a favorite child. BTVS is the perky feel good but meaningful show while Angel is the more emo darker but also witty show. I binged Buffy on netflix and watched Angel at the same time (once i got to s4 so the crossover episodes would match up) I found myself being more excited to watch the next episode of Angel because s4 of Buffy was so stale. However looking back on it i rewatch Buffy more and recommend Buffy way more than Angel. So its like i go back and forth with it! But Angel is definitely a great show n worth the try and im excited for the upcoming episode guides!!
Angel seasons 1, 2, and 3 made me laugh and kept me invested.
Season 4 was absolute guttertrash and an insult towards all the actors
Season 5 had all the makings of a show that should have been continued, but fucking networks, what can ya do. Smile Time was one of the best episodes ever, while ANY episode with Fred and later Illeria just completed messed me up =[
I have to admit I got a little emotional seeing shots of season 5. Awesome video (although a bit spoilery I feel).
+Khuthulun Hempstock Think if you didn't know what was happening then most of the images would just wash over you. It's only if you can recognise the episode from the image that you might think it gives things away.
Example: He mentions parenthood and we see Conner, but to a non-fan the specific character who has a child isn't mentioned and they wouldn't know who Conner was.
+NotSoSuperPete Yes but I was thinking more of Spike blatantly coming back from annihilation, for example.
+Khuthulun Hempstock Well, the actual show spoils that with the opening credits of that episode, so...
+Guy R True, but not season 1 episode 1.
+Khuthulun Hempstock True, and I'm usually REALLY anti-spoilers, but... knowing that Spike apears in the series for a significant amount of time is probably one of the main draws for a lot of people. I think it's worth it, but I could be wrong.
Usually, when one of the channels I'm subscribed to posts a new video and I get a notification about it, I think, "Oh, cool! I can watch that when I have some free time tomorrow."
When this channel posts a new video, I go, "WHERE IS MY COMPUTER BECAUSE I NEED TO WATCH THIS RIGHT. NOW."
That said, this video didn't disappoint. Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I need to go add Angel to my Netflix queue...
+bookworm1880 I'm still regularly astonished that anyone cares to listen to me talk. But thank you.
+Passion of the Nerd This is quality content. You're like the pope now.
I like this RUclips channel better than every TV channel combined.
Buffy and angel > Charmed
Same here there my favourite t.v. shows and in that same order.
But I love charmed too. It’s harder for me to choose. I think mine would be charmed then buffy then angel :)
Angel will allways be better then buffy ever was.
It was undoubtedly one of the best endings to a season I've ever seen. All the moralising they'd ever done came down to a far simpler question of making a difference, even for a moment.
That moment when I realised while I was watching an ATS episode that Jeremy Renner AKA Clint Burton/Hawkeye appeared in the Whedonverse first before the Avengers xD
best line "I just can't seem to care"
There's a lot of stone cold lines in that series.
Passion of the Nerd I just quote it offen but true so much good stuff
"If nothing we do matters the only thing that matters is what we do"
Also want to ask you cavemen v astronauts?
The one that I'll always remember is, "Would you like me to lie to you now? "
The development of the character of Wesley and the final season arc is some of the best television that I have ever seen.
MattH my first girlfriend died and I was alot like him where I would be quite and sad in public but at my apartment is was a crazy mess of troll logic crazy
There are so many memorable quotes. "Numfar do the dance of joy" what an amazing show it was. I was so sad that there was not a season 6... and that Wesley... Best character on TV ever...
I have a very love hate relationship with Angel. I love love seasons 1,2,5 and first part of 3. but I hate season 4 and what the writers did to Cordelia Chase. UGGGGGGHHH.......I am still mad at that 11 years later
Me too
+Cleapatra25 I have to agree on that. I loved all the Darla episodes in season 3 and i thought it would be my favourite. And theb teenage Connor appeared...
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The Connor could have been so much better but I feel that they didn't know where they were going to go with it. LIke they just kind of threw him in there and the rest would work itself out like Fred.....but no The Connor story was handled so poorly they had to retcon it in season 5.
+Cleapatra25 Cordelia has the worst character depature ever lol I refuse to believe it was all because Charisma was pregnant.
I don't know what you're talking about, season 4 was the best of the series. It's so dark, and Wesley finally becomes the great character he was destined to be. The only thing I didn't like was Connor, I hated Connor. So delusional, never seeing the picture.
Angel was an excellent show and I believe it was cancelled because its story got a little too close to the truth. Metaphoricaly...think about it.
plus, amy acker
Exactly.
She's so much easier to like in Angel, than in the (current) X-men spinoff "The Gifted".
@@matthewleathart2524 Loved her in Angel and Person of Interest.
@@andhisband Precisely.
I love that you included the bit about the woman in Russia. That story always stuck out to me as being very poignant. And the second you started talking about Season 5 I felt the waterworks approaching. AtS means the world to me and that finale is honestly my favorite episode of television, as much as it makes me cry.
watched Angel cause of Cordelia
Lmao same
I think Cordy was definitely the heart of the group in Angel. It was great to see her develop from a shallow Sunnydale High into a wise young woman of Angel Investigations.
+get2rog i hated her character post conor. She turned into an evil, pseudo incestuous cradle robber psycho demon. Ummm give me back vapid cordy any day over that mess. In her final appearance we get her back... But it was too little too late.
+Elisheval we all hated that story, but it wasn't Cordy
+Elisheval everybody hated Season 4 Cordy, personally I've never seen a character so completely ruined. There was a lot of behind-the-scenes drama between her actress and Whedon, and they had to work around her suprise pregnancy (hence the weird Connor/Cordelia baby stuff), but they still could have done better.
SPOILER ALERT FOR THE ENTIRE SERIES! Having just finished rewatching this series, I just have to say - the cancellation of Angel at the end of season 5 was a far more terrible problem than I originally thought when I watched 'Not Fade Away', the finale. Not just because season 5 was the best and season 6 had the potential to be even better, and not just because the series ends on a cliffhanger (that cliffhanger is a completely fitting end, thematically), but because of a far more central issue - the characters' arcs ended on the wrong place. At the end of 'Not Fade Away', team Angel wasn't just facing impossible odds (which *does* make perfect sense as the end, thematically), it was also COMPLETELY MORALLY BANKRUPT. Well, not completely, but very, *very* immoral. Angel's actions in that episode were not guided by "If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do", they were guided by "Heroes don't accept the world the way it is, they fight it". Which, of course, was said by LINDSEY, of all people. AKA the bad guy. I'll explain:
In the finale, Angel consistently chooses to do things that go against the show's philosophy - he executes Lindsey (what about redemption?) through Lorne's hands (so much for saving people's souls), he kills a good guy, Drogyn, so he can get to kill more bad guys (I thought all that matters is what we do?), he kills archduke Sebasis by poisoning and killing his innocent servant (collateral damage anyone?), he brainwashes an innocent politician into believing he's a pedophile so he (Angel) can keep his undercover status, and of course, he risks the lives of his entire team (not to mention anyone getting in the crossfire) for the sake of a mission that he KNOWS is not necessary, and won't change anything.
It is admirable that Angel wanted to stick to his principles and fight the bad guys without compromise, and it is admirable that he was willing to sacrifice his life for the good fight, but once he started doing evil things for the greater good, his actions stopped being heroic, and started being selfish and misguided, and simply evil. He pretty much became Jasmine, in the final episode of the show.
Of course, all of these immoral acts don't constitute a problem by themselves - I love grey characters, and Angel's actions definitely make sense given his arc over the season (and the series as a whole, up to that point), and it makes perfect sense that season 5 would end with Angel being morally compromised, given the season's themes of corruption and "selling out", and the whole thing actually has a sort of poetry to it - Wolfram & Hart brought Angel to their L.A branch so they could corrupt him into being a nihilistic puppet who did their bidding, and ended up corrupting Angel by turning him into a takes-no-prisoners fanatic zealot who hurt them more than ever, instead. It's perfect, as a PART of the story.
The problem is that it can't end there. You can end the story with Angel as a tragic hero who does evil because of good intentions, but then you'd have to end the story with Angel *recognizing* his mistakes and having a "what have I done?" moment. And 'Not Fade Away' doesn't have any moment like that. It works PERFECTLY as a *season* finale, but it is NOT a *series* finale. That's just not what it is. It is an end of one chapter, that *demands* a next chapter to deal with its consequences. The problem with the end of AtS is... that it is *not* an end. It is a to-be-continued, and not because of the fact that we don't know if the gang survived the last fight.
Of course, that last *scene* IS perfectly suitable as the end of the series, but it should never have appeared in that *episode*, or even that *season*. The "Let's go to work" scene should have been reserved for the end of the 6th season, if we had gotten it. As the end of season 5, it pretty much *contradicts* everything else we see in the episode, thematically. I can accept it as a compromise that the writers had to do because of the abrupt cancellation of the show, but I just don't see how you can describe it as "one of the best finales I've ever seen". It is a terrific *season* finale, but it is a fundamentally flawed *series* finale.
Just my 2 cents.
All of this, of course, means that I'm even MORE happy that we got a canonical continuation of both shows. 'Angel: After the Fall' was problematic, IMO, but 'Angel & Faith' makes perfect sense as the continuation of Angel's story, given where the TV series ended up leaving him (Of course, you have to read Buffy season 8 before you read 'Angel & Faith'). I highly recommend it, if you haven't read it.
+Guy R Thankfully for me, Angel Season 5 is forever and a day away. Given how much you comment here man, and the quality of insight you have, have you ever considered a blog of your own?
Passion of the Nerd Oh, yeah, there's time, heh. I just had to get it out after watching the episode, you know?
Thanks for the kind words, but I only comment here so much because I really enjoy your thoughts, and the community here. I really should comment less, it takes way more time than I have to spare, LOL, but I can't help myself. If I ever start a blog, I might as well say goodbye to my "real-life". I have literally *zero* self-control when it comes to this stuff...
Guy R Well if you do start one let me know. I'd read it. Cheers.
Passion of the Nerd You betcha! and Thanks :)
Well, you have shined Not Fade Away in a new light for me. I went from hating Not Fade Away on my first viewing to loving it after revisiting it taking into consideration the themes of Angel as a show years later. But now I am not so sure what to think. I believe I need to give Not Fade Away another look now.
Remember when spike and Cordelia were on supernatural?
Fred was in season one too
and darla. and harmony, also playing a vampire...
also amber benson (tara) had a recurring role as a vampire. Mayor wilkins and Felicia day (Vi) were on it as well
Max Burke what episode. I must know
Nerdprodigy. darla was in season 1, episode 12, and harmony was briefly in season 3 episode 7
I.... think I'm in love with you
Thank you for bringing up some important things about Angel. First of all, it is this quote: "if nothing we do matters... then all that matters is what we do."
I think this may be one of the most important thoughts to make a home for in our brains. People need to sit with this and OWN it.
Also....I have always been in awe of Wesley and Cordy. Weeping laughing hanging on tooth and nail step by step awe. It is a testament to the show and the character of Angel that he inspires and encourages others to fulfill more than just their imagined potential; they grow into beings that they never realized could exist, and their light(s) are joyfully blinding. It is their journeys that contribute to making this show ineffable. There is a beauty here that simply hurts.
edit and SPOILER. Overlooked in every list of it's kind: DARLA'S DEATHTH/CONNOR'S BIRTH. Nothing of it's kind compares to this. NOTHING.
I fucking love the finale of Angel, it's still the best finale I have seen to this date.
I actually think I agree. All Good Things (STTNG) is great. Breaking Bad's is good (Ozymandius is the real finale though.)
I don't like star trek and I wasn't a big fan of that BB finale but at least it made up for the Dexter finale that week.
I agree, but I NEED MORE!
I laugh whenever someone complains about the way the finale ended. Like... were these people not paying attention the past five seasons?
Read Angel: After the Fall
Angel > Buffy
Great to see you back! I love Angel. "If nothing we do matters, all that matters is what we do" is one of my favorite quotes from any medium ever.
You don't get to use Christophe Beck against us. You just don't
MAJOR SPOILERS
Unpopular opinion here, but while the entire Cordy S4 storyline was problematic, I think it gives some useful insight into Cordelia's character. If you notice during the conversations between her and Skip regarding her ascension, Skip kept flattering Cordelia. It was always "You have outgrown this mortal plane", "You are important for the fight in the realms above" rather than actually saying how Cordy would actually help in the fight. Though Cordy has gone through extensive character growth, for just one moment Skip appealed to the vain Cordelia of high school, and this was her downfall.
S4 was the consequence of Cordy's error in judgement and was presumably her nightmare come to life for an entire year: Trapped in her own body with no agency, used as a vessel again after being threatened with demonic pregnancy three times, being forced to sacrifice a virgin girl after having expressed her opinion that virgin sacrifices are rooted in sexism in S2, and finally, her ultimate wish gone wrong: Being worshipped by the people of LA, but not as an actress, but as a comatose figure with no agency.
Where S4 fails is to give Cordy agency in defeating Jasmine, but I think You're Welcome goes some way towards fixing that. But essentially, I think her S4 storyline is an essential piece of her series wide arc if you view her entire story as a tragedy, whether intentional or not by the writers. It just needs some emotional distance and objectivity to bring some sense to the chaos.
You are so right. I think it was hard for us to saw how Cordelia was going off to the show. But in my case at least what was more hard to handle was that Cordelia always tried to do the right thing, since Buffy, even when her boyfriend betrayed her. Yes, she was a bitch but always honest and with a huge heart. She always put others ahead of her. And on Angel she always try to care people, try her best and fight in that mision... so it's pretty sad to see how a wonderful person and she would have preferred to die rather than to do evil to their friends, to the world and help in some way to bring an evil to the world. she sacrifices a lot, even in Buffy, and why? To this end? but... this is whedonverse. Tragedy all the time.
I get through season four by thinking about the fact that Jasmine was inside of Cordy ever since she returned from the higher plane, so I blame all of Cordy’s actions on Jasmine and call it a day.
@@allisonhardin1159 I wonder if people have trouble realizing this. It wasn't Cordy's actions, it was Jasmine's. Cordy would still be the same Cordy had she not been possessed. People are keeping on saying it completely destroyed her character development during BtVS and AtS, but that doesn't make any sense to me, since it's not Cordelia's actions we see in S4.
@@allisonhardin1159 I could be wrong as I've not watched Angel in a while, but isn't all of Cordelia's actions explained in the show as her being controlled by Jasmin? I mean, its pretty clear that she is not herself from the moment she comes back.
Damn this whole show brings on the tears... why did I watch this? *spoilers* Now I want to re-watch Buffy+Angel, but also don't because it's so damned heart-wrenching. Damn you Joss Whedon, damn you! Why Fred? Take Tara, take Doyle but not Fred!
This video gave me goosebumps. I need to do an Angel re-watch...like *NOW*! It truly is a great show. Although I feel like a weirdo b/c S4 is by far my favorite. I *love* how serialized it is, where each episode begins where the previous left off. The whole season is like one long episode, and it's a roller coaster ride! And S5 is actually my 2nd least fav after S1. Although there are some parts that are absolutely brilliant, there are other parts that are like an absolute trainwreck :\ But anyhoo, great job! No one could have given a more convincing argument to watch Angel :)
defrostedrobot77 Oopsies. You're right. Thanks I'll correct that now :)
As an arc I didn't mind that season, but it's the whole possessed Cordelia thing that's a turnoff.
Totally agree. I loved season 4 I'm shocked many people dislike it I don't understand. so exciting it was the height of the angel series. season 5 was a step backward. Altho I still love it
Possessed Cordy was really my biggest beef as well. I didn't *hate* season 4 -- there were some excellent episodes (and more Faith!) -- but of the five seasons, it's my least favorite. It was easy to tell that season that Joss was trying to juggle three shows at once (this was when Firefly was on the air).
angel helped me deal with life my girlfriend died in the 2000s Wes story helped me deal with it so so much I cry still when she lies for him this is a great video if I do anything good in my life I have to thank joss ty for this
Aaaargh why would you use Remembering Jenny for the last portion of the video?! I only just marathon'd Angel seasons 4&5 a couple of months ago so the feels are still fresh. Great video.
+Daniel Young (conchashima) I know right? Every time i hear that piece of score, it makes me well up! That Christophe Beck is a genius!
+Daniel Young (conchashima) Because for certain morbid reasons, that song is as much Angel's as it is Giles' and Jenny's. And thank you.
+Passion of the Nerd Oh I know. I meant it in an "I'm now curled up crying because of it, how could you" way haha. Thank YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THIS - I have literally done panels at multiple cons that dissolved into us screaming WATCH ANGEL WATCH ANGEL NO SERIOUSLY WATCH ANGEL. This is much more eloquent.
I know this is an older video, but does anyone know the musical score used when he starts talking about season 5?
There's a hole in the world. Feels like we ought to have known.
+Wurzelknecht STOP IT...just....just stop it. :-(
This was my favorite show growing up that and Buffy. Mostly Angel for the reasons you described, although I may not have realized it at the time. I liked that every character had their own stories to tell.... and no to mention David (Angel) is really good looking.
omggggggg 6:30, I cry every timeeeeeeeee. My poor heart :(
i cant watch Buffy or Angel without thinking all the sad moments D:
The Jasmine story-line is what made me almost stop watching Angel I could handle Cordelia being the bad guy even the gross factor of her being with Connor I just couldn't handle the last few episode of that season thank god for Spike popping up at the beginning of season 5 but did stop watching for a few weeks after Fred died I needed to morn her dying.
+leeleelayla5 “Why can't I stay?”
+Stannis The Mannis why do you want to make me cry
I actually only watched Buffy cuz I’d seen Angel and Firefly and was starting to fall in love with the Jossverse. I love re-watching Cordy and Wes grow. Gunn is not exactly terrible, but he was fairly blah to me and therefore I have and always shall ship Wes/Fred, lol. Also the whole Illyria thing was SO sad to me cuz I kept thinking surely they’re gonna heal her/get Fred back somehow.
Great video!! although I have to disagree with the fact that Buffy's themes are only related to Buffy herself. In Buffy most of the characters have amazing character arcs and develop crazy depth eg. Willow, Xander, Spike, Anya, Faith and even Andrew!! However, in Angel there are some characters such as Fred, Gunn and Lorne who are very underused. I obviously love both shows but it does make me mad that everyone keeps saying that Buffy is only about Buffy, while it is true that most themes revolve around her that doesnt mean that the other important characters in the show don't get any development. Sorry for the rant but I had to put it out there. Love the video and the channel thi
I used to relish Tuesday nights...Buffy, then Angel. Then the network change happened, and everything seemed so out of place. I still enjoyed them immensely, but there was a disconnect after the network debacle. Just like Sundays was my "Simpsons/X Files" night, Tuesdays were my other night to "binge watch" "Buffy/Angel," before there was streaming!
Guess what? You've given a devout Buffy fan an incentive to give Angel another try.
Spoilers: The very first episode of Angel is actually my favorite and Fred and Doyle were my favorite characters. I didn't really like the finale of Angel but i think that was only because my heart had been broken so many times while watching that show. It was agonizing and i was so angry all of the time. I just wanted them to succeed and be happy already. Both Fred and Doyle's death scenes are the saddest things and they made me so angry. I loved Doyle and Fred so much and oh my gosh when Cordy slept with Conner! I know it wasn't really her, but for a little bit i hated her and i hated Conner. I hated Conner so friggin much. He was awful, but then when he forgot everything and became a much better person i thought he was awesome. Point is, by the end, that show only felt sad and mean and awful and i loved it, but i really really hated it so much.
Well, I'm off to watch Angel again!
Unpopular opinion but I love season 4. I don’t get people complaining about cordy’s character in season 4 because it wasn’t her, it was Jasmine. Even the characters on the show understand that, like when Wesley tells Cordy in “You’re Welcome” that he knows it wasn’t her who killed Lilah. Yeah season 4 wasn’t perfect but it was exciting from start to finish in its hyper-serialized way and full of so many twists and turns that kept me on the edge of my seat. Plus I thought the whole concept of Jasmine was fascinating.
I can't say I've seen a review that's actually moved me until I saw this review. You did an amazing job honestly, and raised the best argument to watch it. It's interesting to me that you got the exact same meaning out of it that I did.
Excellent video! If any Angel fan wants to know what happens to Angel and the group after that final scene in the alley way in the last episode, then I highly suggest reading After the Fall. It's one of the greatest comic book series I've ever read, and it continues the show (it's basically season 6) as if it were written by the series' best writers. Believe me, you won't regret it.
I feel really bad about this one.
The 'don't spinoffs usually suck'-segment.
I kept thinking: either 'haven't seen it' or 'i disagree, that's a great series' (except Frazier, never really cared for it)
It took till Korra, before i saw that was the point: i got 'not necessarily no', way too late.
You sir, just ruined the very little bit of free time i had left.
Time to rewatch the entire buffy-verse.
Still disappointed there was no series attached to the racing pope.
That part is quite poorly edited. I should have put the "Nope." at the beginning of the section as, all of those are awesome spinoffs. But at least you got where I was going with it.
Now go watch 12 Seasons of Buffyverse stuff. See you on the other side.
We already are on the same side on this one: I said RE-watch.
But true, i wasn't that clear.
Have been trying to shake Buffy's look directly after "we're not supposed to move the body" for about 2 minutes now. (I doubt, i'll succeed today)
I mean, Angel's realization (regarding trust) when Andrew pulls out his backup, was good.
But it had nothing compared to that moment
I still feel bad, not instantly recognizing the point.
And i'm not sure a 'Nope' at the beginning would have been better, i'd say the fact i doubted which way you were going (despite how obvious it should be, given not only the examples, but the entire premise of the video), made the point even stronger.
Even if it results in 'ow those were recommendations?, i'd better rewatch the list'
But rewatching:
- Buffy
- Korra (maybe the original as well)
- Angel
- Daria
- Firefly (i think i have serenity lying around as well)
- the list to figure out what to watch next........
Not so sure on Torchwood, i recall liking the first 2 seasons, i'm a lot less clear on the last 2 (though that might be a reason to rewatch), though a really REALLY stupid decision regarding Ianto, really took me out of it.
I am considering better call saul (despite never having seen, breaking bad), simply for 'being on the same list as........'
Having seen this video will cost me a lot of time.
btw. the 'growing up / being an adult' comparison, nice.
I just stopped watching the video so could go and start watching Angel, so I guess it worked ¿?
+Azu Aguas Huzzah!
Wasn't going to watch until l saw Cordelia. I'm in.
Cordelias character arc on Angel made me like her character x10 more than when she was on Buffy so its definitely worth the try!
+S Hayden on Buffy, Cordy was the dumbass i barely paid attention to... in Angel, she became one of my favourite characters! (until season 4...)
That's my reason too
Well this show is more adult like then its show that it happens to be a spin off of while Buffy was more for teens not that it was bad it is just this one leans for more mature audiences it would appear. Also in this show Angel does not brood and sulk as much as he did in Buffy he has more of a sense of humor and he makes a great leader himself and his bantering with him and Spike and Lorne is very amusing and there is rarely if ever a dull moment in this series. Conner at first was kinda a infuriating brat at times but later on he became much more tolerable and I came to Emphasize with him and showed some compassion towards him. Lorne and Spike as well as Cordelia where the funniest characters and Harmony had her moments of spot light as well.
I don't know why but the last part with the music at the end teared me up. I love the show angel and buffy the vampire slayer
I think season 4 of Angel is my favorite. I know people hate Connor and the Cordelia twist (so do I, vehemently)... but the way that season worked, with it easily being the most serialized season of either show, made me really enjoy it. I also love the tone of it. It was so bleak and filled with dread... I just felt so different from anything they'd done.
Excellent video! I admit I have a weird relationship with Angel. I really enjoyed it, but I'll never love it as much as I loved Buffy. I think part of the problem was that I was watching both series at the same time on Netflix, but because I was pre-invested in Buffy, I just kept "getting through" the Angel episodes to the next Buffy episode. It didn't help that getting into the series was a bit hard, because I found season 1 to be kind of slow and without a strong character drive. That being said, season 5 was probably the most enjoyable to me (a great mix of light hearted silly with absolutely devastating tragedy), but season 3 has my favourite arc, and probably the best written season.
I hated season 4. If you're still doing the guide up til then (and it's far away for sure), I can't wait to see what you say about it. But in general, I can't wait until you start doing Angel guides. In retrospect I love Angel more than when I watched it, and I'm sure your guide will solidify that.
I agree S1 of Angel was kinda ehh but interesting enough for me to stick around...The connor storyline however was sooooooo rough omfg thats when i was watching Angel just to get through it to watch Buffy
+S Hayden I liked the season 3 Connor storyline. Season 4 was just so rough, and since it corresponds with the last season of Buffy, I was just so anonoyed. Season 4 of Angel was definitely a "get through it because there's a Buffy crossover" season.
_squeal_ You're back! "that one guy from bones" is literally how I could describe Boreanaz to anybody. This video was epic and I can't wait for more from you. No pressure!
Angel season 4 is my favourite season of either show, yes i know, i am in a minority of 1.
As always thank you for doing this, lt is my favourite RUclips channel.
+Mark Fudge No shame in that game. On the rewatch I did to make this, Season 4 grew on me considerably now that I was properly prepped for the Cordelia situation.
Passion of the Nerd In my head She never came back, she was an empty vessel. I love the juxta position of the 'big bad' being all about peace and love. As a moral argument of is happy slavery better than unhappy freedom.
the fourth season is also my favorite
I can't wait for your Angel reviews. A few days ago I got my girlfriend to watch Buffy finally and now we're already up to season 3 since she can't stop watching it.
I missed the Dark Avenger.. Whatever happened to season six!?.. there could of been a season six Joss Whedon!!...
Actually there are three more seasons, but they are in comic form, hell, and there is also three more seasons of Buffy, also in comic version, I had the three of Angel and two of Buffy, I am still to find the season 10 of Buffy.
I actually prefer Angel more than Buffy The Vampire Slayer because it was more interesting and more happened. Also way more feels like with Conor and SPOILER ALERT when Doyle, Fred and Cordelia died
Man I never watched the 5th season but I guess I have to!
Dude, you just HAD to show a clip from the SADDEST episode of television ever!?! Oh man...feels...
I love Buffy but I have to admit Angel lost me midway... I hated some of the Cordy (+ Connor drove me crazy) stuff. But I'm happy to watch and see. I have total trust in your judgement.
+loopyvirgo I'm totally with you on that. I hated Connor through all of his stuff. And cordy never really did anything for me (season 4 was just weird). but Season 5 is awesome and worth getting through. Skip some of the not so good episodes along the way if needed (that's basically what I did but I think I'll go back now just to fill in the gaps) but I feel it's worth it to get to the end.
Connor story line was sooo painful to go through but season 5 kind of redeems it a bit. Especially the second half is insane!
I hated the Connor and Cordy s4 aswell, but overall love the series. 1-3 and 5, 4 the least fav only bit I enjoyed was Faith and Angelus fights with the beast.
Music, beautiful scenes, feels, drowning in feels...
"But! im getting ahead of myself!"
Thanks for the cold shower there Buddy...
I love, love, love this video. You so elegantly summed up the entire soul of this show. I am very impressed! You made me tear up ;)
the one reason to watch Angel is Mr. Boreanaz
I love that he's now "that guy from Bones." Like he didn't already have a successful, career-defining role before that.
Holy CRAP that news story! Mind = Blown!
Great, great video, Ian, well worth the wait :) It's even better than your "Why You Should Watch Buffy" video, despite having a much tougher sell. And you had to twist the knife with those season 5 clips, didn't ya? ;)
Also, just for the sake of nitpicking - Isn't Xena considered to be the classic example of a good spin-off? 'Cuz it was much more succesful than its parent-show? I mean, I haven't watched it in years, but that's what a lot of people say...
+Guy R Never seen Xena or Hercules. It does kind of bum me out that this is better than Why You Should Watch Buffy. I've just had a years worth of practice since making that. Hmm...perhaps a WYSW Buffy 2.0 video once we're done with both series.
+Passion of the Nerd Oh, of course, that's to be expected. Your videos get better all the time, that's not a bad thing, heh. A WYSW Buffy 2.0 video would be cool too, of course, but the existing video is terrific too.
I would like Angel more if it wasn't such a blatant rip off of Buffy. David Greenwalt basically STOLE the entire concept from Joss, and if you look closely you can even tell that Angel is a shallow copy of the vampire from BtVS.
+Kyler Rose I don't agree :-)
Kyler Rose
Angel > Buffy
Kyler Rose it's a spin-off
It being a spin off doesn't explain them STEALING the vampire with a soul concept from Buffy.
Kyler Rose it's literally the same character, from the same world, and thus, IS the vampire from BtVS.
Great analysis on Angel.
Its a great show, people should watch it. It's all set in the same universe.
I think sometimes fans get too caught up in the Buffy vs Angel debate to the point where their selfish outlooks on the shows make them want to pretend they don't exist in the same universe...except they do and continue to do so in novel/comic form. For fans who are fans of both shows, this isn't a problem and its one of the Buffyverses greatest strengths.
Buffy wouldn't have been nearly as strong it was in the first 3 seasons without Angel being a part of it. Likewise Angel wouldn't have been the show that it was had it not burrowed from the Buffyverse (Cordelia/Wesley/other verse characters) and tried to be its own thing.
Buffy is a much more witty show that undergoes several changes throughout its 7 seasons. The first 3 seasons being campy with dark undertones, while Season 4 was a transitional season to what the show would eventually become with its much more darkened final 3 seasons when Buffy was forced into more real life crisis and being an adult herself. Yet the scope of good characters on Buffy were far better I'd say. I'd put Willow, Xander, Oz, Faith, Giles, hell even Riley, Dawn and Anya ahead of the Angel original characters.
Angel was more about being an adult, and that theme was pretty prevalent throughout all 5 seasons on Angel. However its weakness isn't its consistency, but its lack of compelling original characters. I don't peg Cordy or Wes as original characters. Yes, they developed more on Angel, but they are Buffy originals.
Lorne was the only exclusive character on Angel I felt really compelled about and the finale was sad times on that one.
Charles Gunn and Fred were written well......but....soooooo boring, so so fucking boring to me. The only times I ever felt invested in either was stretches during the final two seasons. This is a case where the characters are written well but yeah...I just couldn't get invested in either too much throughout the series.
Also where Angel differentiates itself from Buffy is this villain group that sorta lingers throughout the entire series. The problem here is the two people we focus on have almost no net worth to the finality of the story.
Whereas other villains who weren't part of the big plan I felt made far greater impact to the story.
So yeah...both shows are great, but I suppose you have to have an acquired taste to like either or.
One thing is for sure...modern vampire fluff steals soooo much from Buffy/Angel its pathetic.
True Blood, Vampire Diaries, Twilight on down the line....they are all fluff...Whedon actually built his universe from the ground up...all that modern stuff is so shallow and inept by comparison to what Whedon did with his deep universe.
Point being...if you aren't a fan of vampire anything and you want a place to start....I wouldn't start with anything modern.
Start with Whedon's Buffy/Angel shows...because its about the characters, the monsters are merely metaphors along the way.
Buffy and Angel are two of my favourite shows ever
Daria rules!
Angel.. neither man nor monster. Fights for redemption one day while battling his inner monster. Love it.
That was wonderful. Angel was a very good show. I watched it when it came on TV and I literally sat awestruck through every commercial - of course I eventually yelled at my TV to hurry up, it never listens to me - just because Angel is such an interesting show.
I enjoyed the video. I wish I could've watched it sooner. It's officially one of my favs. I love your point of view and look. forward to more!
As I always say "Someone finally understands!"
Angel Season 5 is in my opinion, the best season of both Buffy and Angel. It's so perfect and the finale is one of the greatest ever made. If anyone is wondering whether to watch it or continue it, do it cause it's absolutely worth it.
I loved Buffy, but never could get into Angel when it originally debuted. Because I enjoy your episode guides for Buffy so much, I decided to give Angel another shot. I was just about convinced that my first impression was correct when I reached the episode where Faith showed up in L.A. Now i'm curious enough to watch a few more...I particularly liked Angel essentially telling Buffy to grow up and accept that she's not the center of his universe anymore.
+J Will On my rewatch of Angel to make this video I think I decided that its better to binge Angel than to watch it "properly" inline with Buffy Seasons 4-7 - especially if you kind of struggle to get into it. It has a vastly different rhythm than Buffy and I got into it much more easily without hot swapping back and forth between episodes.
+J Will That said definitely soldier on. The Faith stuff is great. Season 1 is dry. The show finds its footing a bit better in 2.
+Passion of the Nerd Yeah...watching it in real time 15 years ago it just didn't resonate while Buffy was still putting out new shows, so I think you're probably right about just watching straight through.
+J Will Yep. BTVS had had 3 years to find its voice when Angel started. It really isn't a fair season by season comparison.
+Passion of the Nerd Ok, I finally threw in the towel. I LOVED Buffy, but Angel? Eesh...the only way I've been able to get through it is by treating the entire series (to use your words) as a "maguffin filled candy series." And, I guess since we're talking about watching a show that's (at least on the surface) about a vampire detective agency, that's ok.
Another absolutely stunning line IMO was "Heroes don't accept the world for what it is." Never have. Never will.
I actually prefer Angel to Buffy. I found it was more to the point when it come to developing the main plot for the season. I also found as you stated that it was aimed at a more mature audience rather than the typical high school crowd.
This is absolutely one of my favorite series. I'd say it's even better than Buffy the vampire slayer. The character development and how it handles deeply emotional, complex issues is phenomenal, as well as the pure creativity. But probably what I like the most about Angel is that it shows such a nuanced view on good vs evil, which the Buffy show just didn't quite manage.
"A thing is not beautiful because it lasts."
Why must you hurt me?
Season five just tore my heart out, but it the most beautiful way. I can't wait for your Angel episode guide!
After a hard night out with buddies, staying in to rehydrate my brain and binge watching Buffy and Angel breakdowns sounds like the cure to me!
I love Angel because it took less featured characters on Buffy that they did almost nothing with IE : Cordelia who was on the show for 3 seasons and hardly used and didn't grow and took them and propelled there characters. And I loved that the story was told in a way that everything was fait and to some extent the main character Angel was not really the main character as the story arc of Cordelia was told as if everything in Buffy and Angel was pre ordained to get Cordelia where they wanted her to bring this entity in the world. I was however deadly upset that they killed her and she was forgotten so quickly. There are however some great episodes and I prefer Angel to Buffy as Buffy was all about her and she could come across as stuck up as Angel was about everybody and Angel I enjoyed this a lot more.