People don't remember, Isiah Thomas had to calm his game down and suppress his individual scoring abilities to win championships, he could have averaged 30 but the Pistons would not have won titles -- he played chess and made sure the wealth was spread out throughout the team -- this is another reason why Mark Aguirre isn't in the HOF because he sacrificed his scoring stats to win titles while Adrian Dantley wanted his numbers. Vinnie Johnson sacrificed a great individual career to come off the bench and help the Pistons win titles when he was ahead of Joe Dumars, a rookie who started midway during the 1985-86 season....So that entire Pistons team from 1987-91 had guys who made sacrifices to win and be successful which is why they are legends today.
A little bit. In the championship years 89 & 90, he took 15 shots a game and 16 shots a game..........this 84-85 season, he took 17 shots a game. He also played about 1 less minute per game.
@@JK-br1mu Right, so why in the 1991 ECF, Thomas took only 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2?...So you see?... Dumars took only 10 shots in game 1 and 10 shots in game 3; Laimbeer took 7 shots in game 1 and only 2 shots in game 2; Chuck Daly played John Salley only 9 minutes in game 2 while playing James Edwards just 11 minutes in game 2 and just 9 minutes in game 3.... See, when you look at the rise and fall of The Detroit Pistons from 1987-1991, it was totally risen and fallen by the Pistons themselves -- the dominance of the Pistons is when they LOSE on their own terms.... Thomas individually always played chess while his opponents played checkers and they still cannot see it. HAHAHA!
@@plainsimple244 1991 was way down for Isiah on shots attempted, but I think that was cuz of his hand. He might not have felt as confident in his shooting cuz of that. And the next year, 1992, he was right back to where he was during their Finals runs 1989 and 1990.......shooting 16 times a game. He never dropped off shooting field goals much during their best years, just a little.
@@thebionicbassplayer Yeah, I was around during that day and I'm an objective Bad Boys Pistons fan (1987-91); I can be critical of that team 100% knowing they should have had more than 2 and I'm not referring to '88, I'm referring to '91 or even '92 had they kept their team together keeping Vinnie Johnson/James Edwards or even had Thomas even competed more in '92 and had Rodman developed a 15-20 foot jumper and a handle, which he could handle the ball, so Rodman not developing those skills hurt the Pistons from continuing success. See, after Thomas was left off the Dream Team, he stopped competing, and why should he compete because Daly's credibility as a head coach didn't come from anyone BUT Isiah Thomas, so why should he break his body when his coach actually sold him out. Thomas would never say that but as an objective Pistons fan, I will. It wasn't about Thomas not being selected it was about Daly really not letting Thomas run things as he saw fit .... I also blame GM Jack McCloskey for the moves he made coming into the 1991-92 season without Johnson/Edwards, I mean sad and then had the Pistons kept Salley in '92-'93, they revamped their front court picking up Polynice and then moved Woolridge for a great guard Alvin Robertson, which made the team great but Rodman was acting out because Daly wasn't there and then no Salley, so you keep Salley and pick up Roberston, you possibly make the playoffs winning The Pistons were made to break up that team and it was politics to pave the way for Jordan to win due to the finances of the league. Think about it from 1989-1993, Detroit lost Mahorn ('89), Edwards/Vinnie Johnson ('91) and then Salley ('92) .... Then you ask, why would the Pistons even break up that team, even if you think they lost legit in '91, why not come back ready to win in '92 by keeping the team together. Then you look at the roster in '91-'92, look at the transactions on the Sports Reference site, they could have kept Edwards/Johnson while picking up Daryl Walker and still having Woolridge but didn't. Then, the Pistons didn't even play 10-11 guys in'91-'92 because they didn't play Lance Blanks, and/or Brad Sellers who was on the roster at 7'0" who could shoot and handle the ball, still you lost size with Edwards but you could have used him, then they didn't use Aguirre enough, didn't let him start, which was a contract issue .Sad.
Zeke was outrageous. I will never forget the series vs. Bernard King and the NY Knicks. He was out of this world. I love Zeke as a player but man was he rough as a team President. Love you, Zeke!
People say he’s the greatest point guard ever and other say he is the number one pure point guard ever but the only person they ever put ahead of him Magic Johnson lost to him in the finals twice one officially loss and one unofficial loss
First player to have 4 straight 20ppg and 10 assists and then when an assist was an assist not now when a guy gets a pass makes two moves and the player still gets credit for a assist
The amazing thing is that Isiah is listed at 6'1 but was more like 5'8 or 5'9. He was great amongst giants because he understood that if you hone your skills and are disciplined, you can dominate at any size.
@williamwalsh1533 Yeah, I stood nearly face to face with him as well and I'm 5'8. One things for sure, Isiah is listed at 6'1 and recently he admitted that was a fabrication.
This is the best video I have seen sbout Isiah Thomas that actually put his talent into context.
yeah, becuse there is hardly any others..
People don't remember, Isiah Thomas had to calm his game down and suppress his individual scoring abilities to win championships, he could have averaged 30 but the Pistons would not have won titles -- he played chess and made sure the wealth was spread out throughout the team -- this is another reason why Mark Aguirre isn't in the HOF because he sacrificed his scoring stats to win titles while Adrian Dantley wanted his numbers. Vinnie Johnson sacrificed a great individual career to come off the bench and help the Pistons win titles when he was ahead of Joe Dumars, a rookie who started midway during the 1985-86 season....So that entire Pistons team from 1987-91 had guys who made sacrifices to win and be successful which is why they are legends today.
A little bit. In the championship years 89 & 90, he took 15 shots a game and 16 shots a game..........this 84-85 season, he took 17 shots a game. He also played about 1 less minute per game.
@@JK-br1mu Right, so why in the 1991 ECF, Thomas took only 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2?...So you see?... Dumars took only 10 shots in game 1 and 10 shots in game 3; Laimbeer took 7 shots in game 1 and only 2 shots in game 2; Chuck Daly played John Salley only 9 minutes in game 2 while playing James Edwards just 11 minutes in game 2 and just 9 minutes in game 3.... See, when you look at the rise and fall of The Detroit Pistons from 1987-1991, it was totally risen and fallen by the Pistons themselves -- the dominance of the Pistons is when they LOSE on their own terms.... Thomas individually always played chess while his opponents played checkers and they still cannot see it. HAHAHA!
@@plainsimple244 1991 was way down for Isiah on shots attempted, but I think that was cuz of his hand. He might not have felt as confident in his shooting cuz of that.
And the next year, 1992, he was right back to where he was during their Finals runs 1989 and 1990.......shooting 16 times a game.
He never dropped off shooting field goals much during their best years, just a little.
Excellent points. I followed the Pistons very closely in that era, and you nailed it.
@@thebionicbassplayer Yeah, I was around during that day and I'm an objective Bad Boys Pistons fan (1987-91); I can be critical of that team 100% knowing they should have had more than 2 and I'm not referring to '88, I'm referring to '91 or even '92 had they kept their team together keeping Vinnie Johnson/James Edwards or even had Thomas even competed more in '92 and had Rodman developed a 15-20 foot jumper and a handle, which he could handle the ball, so Rodman not developing those skills hurt the Pistons from continuing success. See, after Thomas was left off the Dream Team, he stopped competing, and why should he compete because Daly's credibility as a head coach didn't come from anyone BUT Isiah Thomas, so why should he break his body when his coach actually sold him out. Thomas would never say that but as an objective Pistons fan, I will. It wasn't about Thomas not being selected it was about Daly really not letting Thomas run things as he saw fit .... I also blame GM Jack McCloskey for the moves he made coming into the 1991-92 season without Johnson/Edwards, I mean sad and then had the Pistons kept Salley in '92-'93, they revamped their front court picking up Polynice and then moved Woolridge for a great guard Alvin Robertson, which made the team great but Rodman was acting out because Daly wasn't there and then no Salley, so you keep Salley and pick up Roberston, you possibly make the playoffs winning
The Pistons were made to break up that team and it was politics to pave the way for Jordan to win due to the finances of the league. Think about it from 1989-1993, Detroit lost Mahorn ('89), Edwards/Vinnie Johnson ('91) and then Salley ('92) .... Then you ask, why would the Pistons even break up that team, even if you think they lost legit in '91, why not come back ready to win in '92 by keeping the team together.
Then you look at the roster in '91-'92, look at the transactions on the Sports Reference site, they could have kept Edwards/Johnson while picking up Daryl Walker and still having Woolridge but didn't. Then, the Pistons didn't even play 10-11 guys in'91-'92 because they didn't play Lance Blanks, and/or Brad Sellers who was on the roster at 7'0" who could shoot and handle the ball, still you lost size with Edwards but you could have used him, then they didn't use Aguirre enough, didn't let him start, which was a contract issue .Sad.
Zeke was outrageous. I will never forget the series vs. Bernard King and the NY Knicks. He was out of this world. I love Zeke as a player but man was he rough as a team President. Love you, Zeke!
People say he’s the greatest point guard ever and other say he is the number one pure point guard ever but the only person they ever put ahead of him Magic Johnson lost to him in the finals twice one officially loss and one unofficial loss
A great portrait of what Isiah was as a player at that time and a deep read of his career goals. Congrats for the video.
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Isiah should’ve been the MVP that season instead of Bird.
The championship made the difference.
@@giorgosk10the award has nothing to do with the postseason.
The championship is won after the MVP has already been passed out.
First player to have 4 straight 20ppg and 10 assists and then when an assist was an assist not now when a guy gets a pass makes two moves and the player still gets credit for a assist
Zeke was the man, one of the greatest point guards and as clutch a performer as anyone ever
One of the greatest PLAYERS period
My favourite player all time
Mine two, growing up in Detroit he was the guy
The amazing thing is that Isiah is listed at 6'1 but was more like 5'8 or 5'9. He was great amongst giants because he understood that if you hone your skills and are disciplined, you can dominate at any size.
I have spoken to Isiah Thomas face to face and the man is at least 6 feet.
@williamwalsh1533 Yeah, I stood nearly face to face with him as well and I'm 5'8. One things for sure, Isiah is listed at 6'1 and recently he admitted that was a fabrication.
When Isiah was in his prime he was better than magic no doubt about it I seen everything
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My favorite basketball player of all time.
In Game 6 against Boston, 37 points, 12 rebounds, 9 assists and 4 steals.
great footage lol. didnt find anything in 240p?
Ha, truth must be told as you said.
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P4P ONE OF THE BADDEST EVER
2nd greatest PG of all time
1C behind Behind Oscar & Magic
@@michaelallen8112 Oscar can go back to his trash can. Isiah Thomas is the 2nd Greatest PG in NBA history.
The best overrall
@@thambone30 u can go back to trash can.. don't disrespect someone who had put the fear in KKk. Move on shortsighted notion one
Isiah is The greatest PG of all time
Zeke !!
Karl Malone busted Thomas's nose after Isiah torched Stockton.
Isiah 2nd to who?
Magic
Isiah Thomas was more skillful.
@@123slasher.16 True