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  • Опубликовано: 24 июн 2024
  • We might have had fourteen years of right-wing government in the UK, but except for 2015 it’s been unknown for most people of this country to vote for right-wing parties in a general election. And they won’t this time either, unless you include Labour in that number, which most people don’t, as yet. So, when will it be that people will actually get the government they want? Here’s looking forward to 2029….
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Комментарии • 266

  • @keithparker1346
    @keithparker1346 Месяц назад +40

    We do obviously need a decent form of PR

    • @paullarne
      @paullarne Месяц назад

      PR comes with other problems. Assuming that neither Conservatives or Labour could command a majority by themselves would you be happy with a coalition of whoever wins the bidding war with either Reform or the SNP?

    • @keithparker1346
      @keithparker1346 Месяц назад +1

      @@paullarne and?

    • @paullarne
      @paullarne Месяц назад

      @@keithparker1346 You'd be happy with the government being chosen by the SNP? Or Reform?

    • @keithparker1346
      @keithparker1346 Месяц назад +1

      @@paullarne why would that happen?

    • @paullarne
      @paullarne Месяц назад

      @@keithparker1346 That's how the numbers work. If neither Party 1 or Party 2 can form a government on their own then Parties 3 and 4 can collaborate with either of them to achieve a majority. So a minority party gets to call the shots. Let's call that Disproportionate Representation shall we?

  • @danielharrison1402
    @danielharrison1402 Месяц назад +20

    absolutely spot on

  • @MichaelNelson-it9mf
    @MichaelNelson-it9mf Месяц назад +30

    Ive been saying that for years. If your advocating for right wing ideology and you're not a multi millionaire then you're a cultist.

    • @Minimmalmythicist
      @Minimmalmythicist Месяц назад +5

      and the thing is the kind of right wing politics we have now, it´s not 1950s Tories or Christian democracy, it´s hardline Thatcherism

    • @markwelch3564
      @markwelch3564 Месяц назад

      ​@@Minimmalmythicistso true. The traditionalist small-c conservatives really need to get their act together if they want a voice. Thus far they've shown no ability to organise, and seem happy to meekly protest a bit from inside radical vulture capitalist parties

    • @stephfoxwell4620
      @stephfoxwell4620 Месяц назад +2

      Or a Butler.

    • @jonathanj.7344
      @jonathanj.7344 Месяц назад

      Want to see a cult? Try the new rainbow flag pseudo religion of wokery.

    • @jonathanj.7344
      @jonathanj.7344 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@MinimmalmythicistNo, it's Nationalism , which has nothing to do with globalist, free market economics, or even being right wing, but simply practical democratic governance in the best interests of this country and it's people. (Yes, all of it's people)

  • @eightiesmusic1984
    @eightiesmusic1984 Месяц назад +29

    Labour has been Thatcherite since Blair took over and has been ever since except for 2015-2019, which is why Corbyn had to be stopped at all costs. Thatcher correctly described so called ' new' Labour as her greatest achievement. Labour's acceptance of the tenets of neoliberalism (privatisation, smaller state, low taxes for the rich, ever widening inequality, smashing the trade unions to hobble pay and conditions, and right to buy) made the differences between the parties negligible. The Overton Window explains the extent to which politics has shifted significantly to the right. Under FPTP a majority do not vote Tory but that does not make them left wing by any means. Capitalism used to be regulated but neoliberalism is an extremist ideology which Labour has not opposed for three decades.

    • @garyb455
      @garyb455 Месяц назад

      No Politician in history has transferred more money from Government to the people than Thatcher, with her Right to Buy Policy.

    • @IMBlakeley
      @IMBlakeley Месяц назад

      Quite right the manifesto under Corbyn was only slightly left of centre, it was the MSM that demonised him.

    • @metallitech
      @metallitech Месяц назад

      They've been Thatcherite since their pre-Thatcher ideas were an abysmal failure.

    • @oldishandwoke-ish1181
      @oldishandwoke-ish1181 Месяц назад +2

      Agree absolutely, although Jeremy Corbyn is an exception to the above, which is why the knives came out for him, of course.

    • @davidmcculloch8490
      @davidmcculloch8490 Месяц назад

      A perfect and astute summary. The miracle of neoliberalism is persuading the poor to vote for the rich to have more. Yet it takes an elective dictatorship to achieve that crooked aim.

  • @sososoprano1
    @sososoprano1 Месяц назад +21

    We all need to work on that. I got very depressed yesterday evening when I saw the polling in Islington North, with Labour way ahead, not because people don’t like Corbyn but because they pay no attention whatsoever to politics, even if naturally left leaning.
    In some ways I can hugely empathise because the politics we see on TV is such a turn off. We need to do better than that.

    • @jim-es8qk
      @jim-es8qk Месяц назад +6

      The way everyone has abandoned him is disgusting.

    • @oldishandwoke-ish1181
      @oldishandwoke-ish1181 Месяц назад

      @@jim-es8qk Look at what happened to Dennis Skinner. As I say, stupid, selfish and fearful. Sick and tired of my compatriots and humans in general.

    • @marijo1951
      @marijo1951 Месяц назад +2

      @@jim-es8qk I live in Islington North and I've abandoned him because of his simplistic attitude towards Ukraine. By suggesting that "peace negotiations" with Russia are even possible, he's made himself a useful idiot to Putin. He's part of that misguided element of the left, which includes Noan Chomsky, that believes every bad thing is the fault of NATO and the US hegemony. Also I've never quite forgiven him for the way he opted out during the run up to the Brexit referendum. At the same time I'm disgusted at the official Labour candidate who runs a string of private IVF clinics. I'm deciding now between Lib Dem and Green.

    • @col.hertford9855
      @col.hertford9855 Месяц назад

      Generally it’s always been better to have an MP within the government. It’s considered easier to raise issues and get remediation if it’s your own side. I’d say it’s a more politically astute choice and not an emotive one. I mean, what will Corbyn actually do as an MP? Occasionally ask a question? He’s never really bothered with engaging in most aspects of Parliament and is unlikely to get on any committees.

    • @StudentDad-mc3pu
      @StudentDad-mc3pu Месяц назад

      But ... who else?

  • @wilsonrichard440
    @wilsonrichard440 Месяц назад +33

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  • @lonevoice
    @lonevoice Месяц назад +10

    Before Starmer became leader he indicated that he was in favour of PR but now hew has made it very clear that he isn't. Carol Vorderman has said that she wants to support Labour this time around and use tactical voting to get the Tories out but next time, if PR isn't introduced, she will try and get tactical voting to remove Labour.

    • @stephfoxwell4620
      @stephfoxwell4620 Месяц назад

      But Border man is a vacuous narcissist. Her opinion is if no value.

    • @stephfoxwell4620
      @stephfoxwell4620 Месяц назад

      But Vorderman is a vacuous narcissist.
      Her opinion is of no value.

    • @RobinHarris-nf4yv
      @RobinHarris-nf4yv Месяц назад

      The right have too much hold over the media, there would be no honest debate about PR and a referendum would lose and kill it dead for 30 years
      Brexit shows you how the truth can be twisted
      Be careful what you wish for

    • @pipster1891
      @pipster1891 Месяц назад

      What government in the UK is going to get rid of a system which gave it a majority victory? There's only one way to change anything - evolution with an r.

  • @simonjohn9525
    @simonjohn9525 Месяц назад +9

    That's why it is imperative that Labour introduce PR (Preferably the Single Transferable Vote - which gives the choice of MP or other representative to the voters, not the parties) voting in all elections.

    • @hettyindyscot18
      @hettyindyscot18 Месяц назад +3

      They won't.

    • @simonjohn9525
      @simonjohn9525 Месяц назад +3

      @@hettyindyscot18 In which case they'll be back in opposition, all their work undone. Pointless. Sadly, I have to agree with you tho'.

    • @mynameisnobody5295
      @mynameisnobody5295 Месяц назад

      @@hettyindyscot18 If Labour looks like it might lose their majority it could incentify implementing changing the voting system. Tories made a big mistake not doing it themslves as they now may have the lowest ever number on MPs.

    • @charliemoore2551
      @charliemoore2551 Месяц назад

      The Labour Right would never do that. Under FPTP, people are fearful of voting for left-leaning parties because of the danger of splitting the vote and letting in the Tories. PR would result in the emergence of alternative left groups, such as the Greens and The Workers Party and would squeeze out the so-called "moderates" whom, you might remember, have already been tested and found lacking with the SDP and Change UK debacles. The Labour Right would rather be in opposition to a Tory government than in a genuine coalition government with the Left.

    • @simonjohn9525
      @simonjohn9525 Месяц назад

      @@mynameisnobody5295 PR is the end of the Tories as a party of government. The good thing about that is that big money won't then know who to fund.

  • @Mikeybhoy1979
    @Mikeybhoy1979 Месяц назад +1

    Man made identity politics created to divide the slaves with, which allows power to thrive upon such division.

  • @dennismccarthy7032
    @dennismccarthy7032 Месяц назад +2

    I am working class, Labour are no different from tory , i am voting Workers Party they have 153 candidates and their policies are for working class people and Britain. ❤❤❤

  • @morturn
    @morturn Месяц назад +2

    Nice one Richard, thank you

  • @charlescaudell9493
    @charlescaudell9493 Месяц назад +1

    This is the only ray of hope that I have seen for many years!
    A clear purpose to unite under: the strive towards PR.
    Best wishes.

  • @FrankPeterson-uk9ky
    @FrankPeterson-uk9ky Месяц назад +8

    There are too many public service employees who vote for the status quo.

    • @alecdurbaville6355
      @alecdurbaville6355 Месяц назад +2

      There are far too many public service employees that the Blair govt invented positions for so will always tend to vote Labour. There are far too many working people that the Blair govt, instead of fighting for better wages, invented benefits for so that they’d vote Labour. Labour will love to lower the voting age to capture all those being indoctrinated into left wing thinking by the education system and are far too young to have learned that all the ideas are crap yet to gain more votes for Labour. People like their benefits and a nanny govt looking after them. How people behaved during Covid proved that. Fine. Just give up your freedom for safety and live like a child your entire life.

    • @kanedNunable
      @kanedNunable Месяц назад +4

      its mainly pensioners who vote tory, knowing their pensions wont be hit but everyone else will.

    • @oldishandwoke-ish1181
      @oldishandwoke-ish1181 Месяц назад

      @@kanedNunable Yes. Not only that, but one of them happily informed me the other day that "the Tory government wants you to die" - that's those of us robbed of our pensions post 60. How's that for "I'm alright Jack"?

    • @oldishandwoke-ish1181
      @oldishandwoke-ish1181 Месяц назад +1

      @@alecdurbaville6355 Yawn. Another Ayn Rand devotee, I see.

    • @alecdurbaville6355
      @alecdurbaville6355 Месяц назад

      @@oldishandwoke-ish1181 nope

  • @Minimmalmythicist
    @Minimmalmythicist Месяц назад +3

    I´d say most people are not convinced neoliberals rather than being left-wing (depending how you define it). I.e it´s not rare to find Labour-Reform swing voters in de-industrialised towns, Labour for social policy, Reform for anti-migration.

  • @roddychristodoulou9111
    @roddychristodoulou9111 Месяц назад +4

    I would agree with that and it's growing .
    Most youngsters coming of voter age tend to be much more progressive .
    This means the pool of Tory voters gets smaller each year , this also begs the question , how the heck do the Tories keep winning elections ?
    This is where their backers and buddies the MSM play a vital role .

    • @pipster1891
      @pipster1891 Месяц назад

      That is true at the moment but it doesn't necessarily hold. They thought that about women and then women became perhaps the most conservative voters. Most young people now across Europe are more far-right. Germany and Austria had voting for 16 year-olds and in the recent EU elections saw huge shifts to the far right. In East Germany, the AFD gets its increasing force from young people.

  • @tropics8407
    @tropics8407 Месяц назад +1

    Is this why Great Britain has been declining since the 1980s ? 😑

  • @Stiffytheenlightened
    @Stiffytheenlightened 24 дня назад

    Well, I've put my money in an offshore bank and downgraded my car (not electric). Sold all my shares and bought a small hose. Bad times are coming. (yes, even worse than before)

  • @patrickcavanaghkilmartin
    @patrickcavanaghkilmartin Месяц назад +7

    The difficulty is that the Right doesn't need to tell the truth. It just needs to tug at heart strings or prejudice. It works every time because the populace aren't really interested in politics

    • @Sgwaos
      @Sgwaos Месяц назад +1

      This rings true! 😢

  • @reriuqne0-ny1er
    @reriuqne0-ny1er Месяц назад

    This election really will be a turning point in UK politics

  • @jim-es8qk
    @jim-es8qk Месяц назад +4

    Hmm, the only way Starmer has been able to win an election is through the adoption of conservative values. So, i respectfully disagree. What was Thatchers' greatest achievement? New Labour.

    • @Wulfuswulferson
      @Wulfuswulferson Месяц назад

      Then why is Starmer as unpopular as rishi sunak? Every average person has become considerably worse off in the last couple of years, Starmer could have offered anything, he made progressive policies then watered down or abandoned them even when they were popular in polling. His offer is ideological not practical electioneering whatever he may say

    • @jim-es8qk
      @jim-es8qk Месяц назад

      ​@@Wulfuswulferson The further Starmer distances himself from the far left the higher he has climbed in the polls. So he must be onto something.

    • @Wulfuswulferson
      @Wulfuswulferson Месяц назад

      @@jim-es8qk correlation isn't causation. And Corbyn isn't far left, the far left are revolutionaries who believe in the need for a revolution/mass worker control of the economy. Corbyn is a run of the mill reformist social democrat, so centre left

    • @Wulfuswulferson
      @Wulfuswulferson Месяц назад

      @@jim-es8qk according to the polls Starmer will get a similar vote share to Corbyn from 2017, the big difference is Tory voters are gonna stay at home or vote reform, so Starmer/labour aren't popular, the tories are reality unpopular. Which is why Starmer could do what he likes, if he wanted to be more radical he has the space but he doesn't want to, that is clear by the popular policies he proposed then dropped - and I mean popular with the whole electorate not just labour members

    • @jim-es8qk
      @jim-es8qk Месяц назад

      ​@@WulfuswulfersonGood point. I can't disagree. Corbyn was actually very popular. Often, getting more votes than Tony Blair.

  • @paulinskipukprogressive4903
    @paulinskipukprogressive4903 Месяц назад

    I hope you will keep going with this channel -
    I feel that you are making some very important points here

  • @El-Burrito
    @El-Burrito Месяц назад

    Ya know in a roundabout sort of way, I blame previous Labour governments never implementing PR for 14 years of Tories.
    And once again, I'm expecting the incoming Labour government to do nothing of value and hand the country right back to the Tories or maybe even Reform

  • @BillSilver-kg8hs
    @BillSilver-kg8hs Месяц назад

    For as long as I can remember, the hard and far right have confused compassion for left wing politics.

  • @Hecatonicosachoron
    @Hecatonicosachoron Месяц назад

    A word needs to be said about how the cons are bound to get a lot more seats than they deserve due to gerrymandering. It isn't a simple fair division of the constituency boundaries that we are dealing with.

  • @postiepaul
    @postiepaul Месяц назад +1

    I tend to sympathise normally. But if Labour are right-wing, the Lib Dem’s, as I recall going into bed with the Tories and certainly in my living memory the SNP being called Tartan Tories, this time I demur.

  • @Hecatonicosachoron
    @Hecatonicosachoron Месяц назад

    Great video by the way, I do love your content. I am more pessimistic though.

  • @robsthedon
    @robsthedon Месяц назад

    Well put

  • @Sgwaos
    @Sgwaos Месяц назад

    Thank you for your work Richard good for you!

  • @jamescooke6032
    @jamescooke6032 Месяц назад

    If you just tally up the votes proportionally. Doesn't it just mean, win London and you take office, therefore you have an even more London centric country than there is now?

  • @markwelch3564
    @markwelch3564 Месяц назад +1

    In France there's Nouveau Front Populaire, which is a coalition across an astoundingly broad range of left wing groups, from moderate left to radical communists. They've found agreement that opposing the right is more urgent than their differences
    Can we find something similar in the UK before the 2028/29 election?

    • @Minimmalmythicist
      @Minimmalmythicist Месяц назад +1

      The equivalencies aren´t quite the same in France of course, Starmer is more like Macron than anything else.

    • @markwelch3564
      @markwelch3564 Месяц назад +1

      @@Minimmalmythicist I agree, Starmer _is_ like Macron - which is why I hope we can find our NFP before Starmer reaches the point Macron is at now
      A played-out Starmer vs Farage with no other alternative on the table is not a future I want to see!

  • @bakakafka4428
    @bakakafka4428 Месяц назад +1

    If most people in the UK are left wing, how's Labour going to get their super majority? I'd agree if you'd say most people aren't very intelligent, or the Tories wouldn't have such a long reign of power to begin with. Replacing them now with this Labour seems neither sign of intelligence nor sign of left wing preference.

  • @davestevenson9080
    @davestevenson9080 Месяц назад

    Ignoring non voters right of the bat Richard

  • @ds6914
    @ds6914 Месяц назад +1

    are we counting lib dems and snp as left wing here?

  • @sheilajudd7999
    @sheilajudd7999 Месяц назад +12

    Labour is as "right" as the tories now

    • @xtc2v
      @xtc2v Месяц назад +1

      The image-makers have worked their magic on you

    • @stumac869
      @stumac869 Месяц назад +5

      The Tories are now as left as New Labour which isn't right at all.

    • @oldishandwoke-ish1181
      @oldishandwoke-ish1181 Месяц назад

      @@stumac869 Attila the Hun must be turning in his grave, eh?

    • @curryattack8985
      @curryattack8985 Месяц назад

      Nope, the conservatives are as left as labour. That’s why they’re being thrown out. 14 years, not a single right wing policy enacted. Everyone who is a natural conservative, they have nowhere to go.

    • @natts
      @natts Месяц назад +1

      Absolute bollocks

  • @MrAl143
    @MrAl143 Месяц назад

    I think most are socially left-wing but financially conservative. Pretty frustrating really.

  • @WarrenPeaceOG
    @WarrenPeaceOG Месяц назад

    Left and Right are based on the question of what role the govt plays in the economy. On the extreme Left, communism and a centrally planned economy. On the extreme Right, Neoliberals believe markets can solve every human problem.
    The British Establishment would prefer we think in RELATIVE terms so we can act like there are differences between the 3 main parties, all of which are market fundamentalists that believe in the American empire and people doing what they're told. This is why we should stick to ABSOLUTE terms

  • @stephfoxwell4620
    @stephfoxwell4620 Месяц назад +1

    Bit of a stretch to class the LibDems as left wing.

  • @djdoolittle1315
    @djdoolittle1315 Месяц назад

    That’s fantastic news. Come together brothers and sisters 💚🤘

  • @JohnnyBouchier
    @JohnnyBouchier Месяц назад

    PR has to be the way forward.

  • @GlennLeinster
    @GlennLeinster Месяц назад

    I'll believe that if Jeremy Corbyn gets elected Richard, we do need PR but the 2 main parties don't want itand the MSM is full of shite

  • @pipster1891
    @pipster1891 Месяц назад

    The clever right also want strong government, because they understand it as necessary to get the things they want AND to protect them when capitalism goes belly-up, as it did in 2008. Only the madcap 'libertarians' want weak government, which will just create utter chaos, as we saw with the Truss-Kwarteng hiatus.

  • @lkyuvsad
    @lkyuvsad Месяц назад

    This is so important, and seems to be entirely misunderstood by the Labour machine.

  • @IIC-GusBadran
    @IIC-GusBadran Месяц назад

    Could you please share how you are planning to do that? Thank you in advance.

  • @Halbared
    @Halbared 28 дней назад

    Most people are socially conservative with a small c. Of the people that *vote* (a considerable portion don't), they sometimes collate to more on the "left." Not in 2019 though, where people were so scarred of the loon in charge of labour the Tory vote was larger than the combined vote of libDem and Labour. Blair moved the centre ground, not sure you can make an argument about where it should be these days as the Torys don't seem to be much of a tory party, Cameron saw himself as a successor to Blair. The current election may shed light on things, seeing how the reform lot do.

  • @stephfoxwell4620
    @stephfoxwell4620 Месяц назад +5

    Which 14 years of left wing government?
    Labour held power for 31 of the last 100 years.
    13 of the last 45.

    • @Rob-fx2dw
      @Rob-fx2dw Месяц назад +1

      This presenter has previously stated he is against mathematics in economics. No wonder he gets things so wrong.

  • @pipster1891
    @pipster1891 Месяц назад

    I would not describe the LibDems as 'left-wing'. Like all middle-class liberals, they may speak progressive but when push comes to shove they always move to the right, scared witless by the prospect of the working class. We saw that in the 2010 coalition government.
    Phil Ochs definition of a liberal: "Ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally."

  • @shillanassi
    @shillanassi Месяц назад

    Ranked-choice voting!

  • @sapienproductions
    @sapienproductions Месяц назад

    PR now

  • @StudentDad-mc3pu
    @StudentDad-mc3pu Месяц назад

    They really are not!

  • @metallitech
    @metallitech Месяц назад +1

    Did leftwingers vote for Brexit?

    • @Minimmalmythicist
      @Minimmalmythicist Месяц назад +5

      some did, there were plenty of Labour Brexiters and there was a Labour leave campaign, Mick Lynch and Galloway are probably the best known Lexiters

    • @oldishandwoke-ish1181
      @oldishandwoke-ish1181 Месяц назад

      Some did, yes. Again, they didn't understand the issues involved - that it was a Right wing, "free" market coup rather than a serious attempt to protect Britain from the neoliberal E.U.

  • @NodrogMacphee
    @NodrogMacphee Месяц назад +1

    Of course the other alternative for the future is a Dictator

    • @pipster1891
      @pipster1891 Месяц назад

      His name is Keith Stalin.

  • @donttrip8282
    @donttrip8282 Месяц назад

    Good idea, but Labour is a block to such progressive rather than a potential willing partner. They (and maybe Lib Dems too) would try to water down everything such a coalition came up with. They will most likely only come to progressive conclusions when not doing so becomes politically untenable and even then it would be a struggle to trust it wasn't just lip service.

  • @Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs.
    @Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. Месяц назад

    Balls. Few people bar ideologues are left-wing or right, they have a mishmash of opinions from both sides based on their own life experiences.

  • @nikkihamilton4374
    @nikkihamilton4374 Месяц назад +3

    What balls!

  • @michaelmccomb2594
    @michaelmccomb2594 Месяц назад

    Is is generally misleading. 57% of people vote for parties that are not the Conservatives or UKIP/Reform. Plenty of people would not define themselves as ‘left-wing’ yet still vote for Labour, Lid Dems and SNP, etc. Some of these parties at different times would not necessarily be considered to be left wing too

  • @williammajor837
    @williammajor837 Месяц назад

    God help us then.

  • @cianog
    @cianog Месяц назад

    They are not

  • @bluelightalarm
    @bluelightalarm Месяц назад

    Much better Welsh pronounciation Richard, it is appreciated :)

  • @Stiffytheenlightened
    @Stiffytheenlightened Месяц назад +3

    Most people USED to be Left wing.

    • @pipster1891
      @pipster1891 Месяц назад +2

      On issues, they still are. Politically, they don't get the choice.

  • @charliemoore2551
    @charliemoore2551 Месяц назад

    Voting records for parties are not a good indicator - especially in a FPTP system where people often vote tactically or (sadly) consider their vote to be a waste of time in safe seats. It's far more instructive to look at attitudes to specific issues such as public ownership of strategic industries and utilities such as rail and water or to public services like the NHS. When you do that, you find that the proportion with "left" leaning views is far higher than 57%.

  • @loc4725
    @loc4725 Месяц назад +1

    Just because 57% of the population has voted for left-leaning parties that *does not* automatically mean that most people in this country are "progressive".
    Statistics are more complex than that, something which you probably already know and another thing you'll run away from, just like this comment.
    But yes, we do need PR but it's unlikely to happen even under Labour. Care to suggest why?

  • @jonathanj.7344
    @jonathanj.7344 Месяц назад

    What I like do much about the the SDP, is they are conservative/traditionalist culturally, but old Labour, mixed economy economically. Right up my street! I don't rate all this clumsy left right centre pegging anyway.

  • @MichaelNelson-it9mf
    @MichaelNelson-it9mf Месяц назад +2

    I disagree with your analysis of the Lib Dems they are most definitely not on the Left they are as far right as the Conservatives as indeed are Labour. There is nothing centre right in politics there are only various degrees of extremist right wing ideologies.

    • @Minimmalmythicist
      @Minimmalmythicist Месяц назад

      I often call the Libdems the Neoliberal undemocratic party.

    • @mrradman2986
      @mrradman2986 Месяц назад

      Good grief!
      You need to relocate to somewhere more suited to your communist ethos where the State has complete control of your life.
      Most people in UK don't want that level of government intrusion in their lives.

  • @Leonidthemighty
    @Leonidthemighty Месяц назад

    Near, far or centre depends on where you are personally so perhaps if Richard feels Labour is centre right then this says something about where he is. Personally I think the current labour incarnation isn’t centre left or far left but somewhere in between. Starmer is a Marxist but no one much talks about it (yet).
    Richard works in a University echo chamber after all, his political feelings aren’t likely to be a balanced view.

    • @markwelch3564
      @markwelch3564 Месяц назад

      Labour are small government, pro private investment and trying to be low tax (but reality is against them there)
      You'd have to go full Milei to be more right wing!

    • @davestevenson9080
      @davestevenson9080 Месяц назад

      Starmer is a fabian socialist, their logo is literally a wolf in sheeps clothing

  • @mintviper5213
    @mintviper5213 Месяц назад

    I disagree that most of the UK is left wing, The lib dems can arguably classed as centre left to centre right. There are labour voters that vote labour due to tribe like loyalty or social class. If you are socially traditional but economically progressive, where does that put you? I think understanding politics in a left-right paradigm is flawed. Additionally is Reform actually far Right? What are we classing as far right these days?

  • @5minuterevolutionary493
    @5minuterevolutionary493 29 дней назад

    If you want democracy, you have to destroy the upper class. You have not identified the core issue, and i know that because here in the US we have a different system with the same result. The core issue is that historically and functionally, democracy in hierarchical industrialized nations is a way of managing dissent, not a way of expressing the popular will. This is explicit in the documents forming "democracy" in the US and UK, there is nothing stealthy about it, and it is elaborated at length in the writings of those involved. We have a class system which uses democracy as a way to justify and sustain itself. If you want democracy, you have to destroy the upper class.

  • @shabudinjaver4672
    @shabudinjaver4672 Месяц назад +1

    We still remember Prime Minister Wilsons Government it was a mess.

    • @shabudinjaver4672
      @shabudinjaver4672 Месяц назад +1

      Human nature is very complicated once elected we tend to forget everything including the agenda.

    • @stephfoxwell4620
      @stephfoxwell4620 Месяц назад +3

      1964-70 was one of the fastest periods of growth and prosperity in UK history.

    • @suburbanyobbo9412
      @suburbanyobbo9412 Месяц назад

      @@stephfoxwell4620Lol, utter twaddle. The first Wilson government did more damage to UK industry than Thatcher did in 4 terms. Learn about the Industrial Reorganisation Corporation.

    • @stephfoxwell4620
      @stephfoxwell4620 Месяц назад +1

      @@suburbanyobbo9412 1964-70 Wilson reduced debt to GDP from 140% to 75%.
      We even had three annual surpluses

    • @suburbanyobbo9412
      @suburbanyobbo9412 Месяц назад

      @@stephfoxwell4620 Gee it is almost like asset stripping makes short term profit. 😂 Your comment is a prime example of why people on the left fall for neoliberalism.

  • @Leapops
    @Leapops Месяц назад +4

    Bit of a logic fail in this video.
    Statement 1: Most people are left wing.
    Statement 2: Labour are going to win a massive majority from a right of centre position.
    If we can agree Tories and Reform are right of centre and then are told Labour are right of centre too then clearly most people are not currently left of centre.
    I would be for PR too. BUT but careful what you wish for as this would mean Farage and co would have many many seats.

  • @marlquentin
    @marlquentin Месяц назад

    Sorry mate you need proper statistics from trustworthy sources to make this kind of claim. Just stating something doesn't make it true. Having lived in uk for many years I would suggest that most middle class people are centre left as you say, but most working class types are probably centre right. Hence Brexit for example. But that's just my guess. But if that was true, what would that come to statistically?

  • @azar1354
    @azar1354 Месяц назад +1

    Can Reform be considered a Right wing party on anything other than immigration?

  • @jeremykille4689
    @jeremykille4689 Месяц назад +2

    You said you weren't left wing before! I follow my instincts because I know I am not clever, quick thinking or erudite. I associate elements of the right with greed and predation. I associate elements the left with disruption and destruction and national treachery. I don't have loyalty to any political party, your assumptions that more people are left wing is flawed. People vote against, not for.
    I bet you live in or frequent London, a place I avoid, it is one giant looney bin in my experience, with Oasis of normality here and there.

    • @stevemitchell1454
      @stevemitchell1454 Месяц назад

      Bullshit!

    • @jeremykille4689
      @jeremykille4689 Месяц назад

      @@stevemitchell1454 triggered! 😂

    • @martin292fish
      @martin292fish Месяц назад

      Richard Murphy lives somewhere out East Anglia way, not quite the ‘looney bin’ of London.

    • @jeremykille4689
      @jeremykille4689 Месяц назад

      @@martin292fish ah, but does he frequent it?

    • @martin292fish
      @martin292fish Месяц назад +1

      ⁠@@jeremykille4689 Yes I think he frequents it frequently

  • @martinlakeuk
    @martinlakeuk 22 дня назад

    You’re way off. The British constitution was built over a long period of time with conservative values. The last forty years has seen mostly conservative governments. Labour have won the recent election with the majority of people voting to punish the tories, who abandoned their conservative values for more liberal centrist ones. People have rejected liberalism yet again. The last thing Britain wants is anything on the radical left! How you can say Starmer is centre right is bewildering!

  • @theotherandrew5540
    @theotherandrew5540 Месяц назад +1

    Yes, I think you’re absolutely right, and Scotland is further to the left. We must hope the lefties manage to push Starmer to the left.

  • @coldporridge4145
    @coldporridge4145 Месяц назад +1

    Agree with your sentiments, but Labour is not centre right and Reform is not extreme right.

  • @hettyindyscot18
    @hettyindyscot18 Месяц назад +2

    Hm not convinced, the people are divided in England, they blame the poor and immigrants for their dystopian situation (shhh, BREXIT), most are not left wing in the SE of England, most are left wing in places like Liverpool, there's massive divide and it functions perfectly for those in power at WM. I'm not sure what you mean at the beginning, 'unionists' and 'nationalists'? If you mean the pesky SNP, they are a civic and internationalist party. The Lib Dems are definitely not left wing, at least not in Scotland though they might as well hide under a rock anyway they are so few. The Liberals, now known as the Lib Dems have always been known as the centre left at best, but are more centre right. Who on earth is voting for the far right 'Reform' etc, as if they would do anything positive at all for the people of England. Why aren't folks out in the streets in huge numbers, about their sewaged rivers in England surely that is wholly unacceptable as well as a massive health risk.
    The system will never change to PR at WM, why would LabCons shoot themselves in the foot like that. The UK is very depressing, especially since Brexit, even more tragic for Scotland, having voted to remain in the EU by 62%. Huge democratic deficit right there in the UK, supposedly equal partners in an equal union, better together, UKOK. Take a pen when you go to vote people, X, take a photo of your postal ballot paper before sending it. Lots to do to get the vote out, let's hope the turnout is high.

    • @Minimmalmythicist
      @Minimmalmythicist Месяц назад +1

      In London there are a lot of left wingers too.

    • @Leonidthemighty
      @Leonidthemighty Месяц назад

      Good post but whether something is left or right tends to depend on where you sit personally. I consider myself ever so slightly right of centre for example, some of my left leaning friends think I’m a rabid facist (but still love me anyway 😂).
      Richard’s comments suggest I should be a labour voter, personally I think they would be a horror show. Hard isn’t it, I’m politically homeless at present.

    • @Minimmalmythicist
      @Minimmalmythicist Месяц назад

      @@Leonidthemighty for me, to call someone a fascist, I have to believe that they basically don´t like normal democratic rights.
      I think it´s fair enough to call Marine Le Pen a fascist, for example as she doesn´t seem to like freedom of expression, the rule of law or democracy and accountability very much.
      I think you could make the same claim about Suella Braverman.
      Although I don´t agree with Michael Hesseltine and Ken Clarke on a lot of things, they are most definitely not fascists

    • @oldishandwoke-ish1181
      @oldishandwoke-ish1181 Месяц назад +1

      @@Minimmalmythicist Yes. Cities are always more progressive than rural areas.

  • @simonweakley3479
    @simonweakley3479 Месяц назад +1

    The right to buy policy has lifted my family out of abject poverty. As a highly disabled man where two of us have household income of £12k a year the fact we own our modest flat has stopped destitution. My Labour MP isn't interested in disabled people. Now contrast my friend an Owen Jones and Corbyn supporter who gets £400 a week in benefits, his rent paid, his council tax paid, free perscriptions , a food bank worth £20 a week and reduced SKY subs as a 'vunerable' customer. My friends nickname is bellies because of his beer belly. His record is 27 pints in one sitting down the Huntsman and the rest of his money goes on gambling. What are his' illnesses', well his arse can't keep up with his legs (shits himself), his eyes can't keep up with his brain (anxiety), and he has time blindness (he can't get to places on time). Left wing, no thanks I'm not paying for Bellies, in fact I've copied him!

  • @toi_techno
    @toi_techno Месяц назад

    When a home owner is in the cold privacy of the voting booth they get way less left-wing
    Right-wing is mainly an expression of greed

  • @cianog
    @cianog Месяц назад

    More people don’t vote than vote Labour

  • @user-xu5vl5th9n
    @user-xu5vl5th9n Месяц назад +1

    Most people may be left wing but they are not woke. I didn't leave the left, the left left me.

  • @garrystubbs4891
    @garrystubbs4891 Месяц назад

    Not a convincing argument at all. Like most of the ideologically left, you seem oblivious to your contradictions. Since Blair and the New Labour shift, all major parties (Con, Lad, LibDem) are all right of centre, The Lib Dems mightily proved this when in coalition government with the Conservatives.
    You are clearly a subject matter expert, but that vital mature ontological mode of perspective over perception has passed you by i'm afraid.