Dangerous RC plane flown in park without a permit
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- I flew this dangerous DLG RC plane in a Tokoroa park without obtaining the necessary permit from the South Waikato District Council. Will I be punished for such an egregious breach of the rules?
This one example perhaps perfectly demonstrates how ridiculous rules get made -- by people who have no first-hand experience, knowledge or understanding of that which they are regulating. Is it any wonder that so many drone/RC rules are totally ignored when they are not risk-based and serve no pupose but to marginalize the hobby. 
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“Powered by an old man with Parkinson’s” - bloody great line legend.
Brilliant! Where can I buy the T shirt?
@@seanconnery007 That would be a cool and catchy slogan on a t-shirt!
Also powered by a battery, which would make it electric , using control surfaces to fly the aircraft? My bet is it falls under electric powered
@@blakejohn8374 no slipping reality past you…. Way to kill the joy man.
They might as well ban paper airplanes, at this point
Someone might get a paper cut or even get poked in the eye God forbid by the pointy end of the paper airplane.
They are a hazard! That's how this madness starts! 🤣
They actually have prohibited flying paper airplanes without a permit.
Now thet ARE dangerous - you can get a paper cut from the edges!
@@RockinRobbins13 Indeed, taking the published rules literally tossing a paper airplane in the park is prohibited.
Mate, you are a legend. I'm 30 years old and just got into the fpv hobby a year ago. I am a c7 quadriplegic, this is literally one of the only cool things I do. It's so hard to find a hobby that doesn't remind you how disabled you are. Seriously, the amount of joy and adrenaline you get when you are flying, or in my case that feeling of forgetting about my real body... Even at 4 minutes a pack, I don't think ill ever be able to stop flying. These rules are ridiculous. Thank you for all you do!
Council: THIS MAN BROKE THE RULES!
Judge: 'that thing is powered by an old man with parkinsons, case dismissed"
He's keeping his mind busy it's been proven that keeping your brain active it helps with the onset of Parkinson's . This man deserves a medal.💯💯💯👍👍👍
@@martyn5799 parkinson's or not. The man still deserves our respect.
Common sense and speaks his mind. A lot of RUclipsrs could learn from him.
Heck, everyone should.
Reminds me of a few older CO's in the armed forces I had, fed up with the world but relaying it to us in a great way.
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
Let's be consistent in principle.
Who decides if it's unjust?
@@itsmeagain7825
The Constitution, if you live in the US. The quote above is from The Constitution, I think. Either that, or it's a quote from one of The Founders, not sure which. But it is ".................Any law contrary to The Constitution is an illegal law and our duty to not obey such laws........" Something to that effect.
People need to read The Constitution a couple of times to be at the very least familiar with what it says. That's how our country ended up in the position we're in now - people don't know our rights, what The Constitution says, and how a Democratic Republic is supposed to work. The Constitution was written, and in place to limit, and restrict government. The government has gotten too big, too powerful, and too controlling because the people have allowed it to happen - by not knowing any better. They don't teach history and government in schools anymore for a reason. To keep everyone they can ignorant.
Sorry about the rant.
It is decided when it violates the principle of the law/Constitution@@itsmeagain7825
@@donlange1491 "When rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.
The phone box is actually a hotline to the council Chambers, to report the flying of model gliders in the park. 😂😂😂😂
You said it all Bruce!, it shows the the people making these "rules" haven't got a clue as to the disciplines involved with model aircraft one size doesn't fit all, keep the videos coming.
Well done Bruce. In a world of OHS and Risk Management, it's widely known that Modellers are inherently some of the best practising risk managers you can find and, have been so for decades before Risk Management was even a thing.
The core philosophy's in the way in which we build, balance, test and use our models and sundry charging and control or support gear, is all about redundancy, over engineering, using better components and acting in a safe manner, first and foremost.
Yes things can happen, but it would be fare to say and is certainly axiomatic and quite obvious) we Risk manage better that many drivers on the road do everytime they drive.
And that certainly says something!
Keep up the gr8 work, and enjoy.
Be well Paul.
Some OHS and Risk Management would have been useful before jabbing everyone with the dodgy venom: these days I always remember what they did to us, and laugh at their so called 'safety' cr-p, the warmongering liars.
The Creator God gave us unalienable rights.
@@G-ra-ha-m And the Religious Nutters crawl out from under their rocks! 👿🙄
Even leaving old carparts in the carpark is safer than model flying apparently.
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Well done and well said, Bruce! 😊
Those bureaucrats are too stupid even to ask us before making those insane regulations!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
bureaucrat ➡️ 💩
Bureaucrats responded to a Karen when writing the regs.
Tyrants seldom do.
It is odd about the rules and regulations. Here in the US we have the second amendment, you have to insure you’ve got all the permits to carry. But one legal gun owner in New York gets arrested for standing up to a crazed lunatic, pays 10k bail while the lunatic gets released with no bail.
Ridiculous!
Yea we in the US have a LOT of work to do to unwind all the crap that is going on in our justice system today. Probably won't get done in my lifetime but I'd sure like to see the process get started
you could not pay me to live in ny come down south my friend.
Happened to me terrible
Another fake id doing trump totally irrelevant comments. Or its a gringo on an anti-gun control rant, on foreign web site makes you want to puke. Typical statement of a member of the Trump cult.
Never vote your feelings, dem, vote with your brains. Rep.
Hey Buddy, the world needs more guys like you in it. Keep up the good work. Steve UK.
Yes, that is definitely true. Bruce is a wonder for our hobby worldwide. We should all stick together. Yet another Steve in the UK
Spot on, keep it up.
Not a Steve from Switzerland 🙂
Quite a frustrating, upside down, apathetic situation our world is in. It's silly what some people consider a problem that isn't. I wish you the best Bruce for what you do for the RC community. Blue skies my friend!
Yes people need a reality check soon.
No, the dlg is not powered.
They did go ahead and ban model flying at the field 😮
Next ban will be against driving cars on the roads and parking in parking lots near to stores. One could risk hitting them with a shopping cart 😅
Came for the banter, sticking around for the crime
compliance and safety are often two different things.
love your videos , please keep posting
Hi Bruce, Great video and information. Thee rules make no sense to a RC Pilot that has been following the same rules for 50 years. Never indanger a person or property. Until the rules make sense to us, I will fly as a Hobbyist. Take care and always HAPPY FLYING.
OMG... The RC Criminal is at it again....😂
Keep up the good work Bruce....👍
I admire you for violating these bad rules. One of my favorite movie lines, from the Treasure of the Sierra Madre: "Badges? We don't got no badges. We don't got to show you no stinkin' badges!" :)
That glider looked quite lovely & graceful (non-spedup video) moving so beautifully in such early morning cool spring Tokoroa air! Thanks for posting this!
I built a Brolga with my father when I was 10. I used to carry it down the local park every afternoon and every weekend. Flew it for hours upon hours, until the sunlight was almost gone. Old people, young people, middle people, strange people, great people, they'd all come over for a look and a chat and the Brolga (2,000mm wing span) never failed to put a smile on people's faces. Never had an accident, never hurt anyone or damaged any property, and no one ever told the little 10 year old with a glider twice his size to, "stop flying that, it's dangerous".
The world we live in today is just getting ridiculous, it actually makes me angry. I'm a veteran and would like to think I fought for the next generation to enjoy the freedoms I loved as a kid, but no, they've ruined all of that. What I'd do for 10 minutes in a locked room with some of these politicians that make the rules that are ruining the simple pleasures in life. I get that some people are irresponsible, and we need to protect the public from them, but the government introduced rules that prevented doing so. You see, in the "old days", when someone was acting the clown, they'd get a good and proper ass kicking. But that's not allowed any more either!
Sounds like a circumstance where the regulator can’t write an appropriate rule, or perform the necessary risk assessments. Hope you can always continue to enjoy your hobby :-) and thank’s for lobbying rationally.
Your videos have popped into my algorithms again. Have not watched in a long time. I walked away from the hobby of RC entirely partly because my hobby expenses are going elsewhere but mostly because of the government overreach into what was a very simple and enjoyable activity. I am happy to see you still fighting.
You comment, the algorithm is watching.😃
An Eagle Transporter from "Space 1999" in the background! Oh my, it brings good memories of my youth.
Common on Bruce, if you are going to risk being arrested for breaking ridiculous rules, you could have gone to the park and flown a 5 gram paper airplane!
You made a great point with rules vs real safety! For gliders - just glue with a piece of scotch type a micro toy electric motor and a coin battery to your glider and voila - you are compliant ! Stupidity runs both ways : )
Good man Bruce. Risk assessment, fly safe and the rules are irrelevant. You go fly. 😁
Just had bonfire night here in UK. Wanted to fly my FPV 130g drone...need operator ID, flyer ID, spotter, and to make sure nobody is close by. But wait right there while my mad cousin Dan launches 3KG of rockets into the night sky with crowds close by with nothing but a desire for mayhem needed. Safe.
Keep going bruce, love your channel.
I have a question, are they going to regulate kite flying as well? I wonder about RC cars? Way too much government control on toys.
Kites (in the US) have been regulated for decades. Most people don't exceed the statutory limits so it doesn't matter.
It's probably coming down the line. Step outside the realm of working and paying taxes, ie doing anything mildly fun, and tyranny will seemingly appear.
So where did you hide the bodies?
Great vid Bruce, you could have used one of those car seats in the middle of park! 👍
I never thought of that... :)
Do you have a pacemaker Bruce? That would make you electric.
Nah... I'm 100 percent manually operated.
Go for it Bruce! Make them own their poorly conceived regulations by charging you or admit their incompetence by doing nothing. An apology would surely be out of the question, but could they not call for submissions from citizens who DO know what they are talking about with a view to updating their regulations? We can only hope that through your highlighting these issues some sanity can prevail.
The Tokoroa Council are very obviously have an unfounded hatred towards model aircraft and real aircraft users at the local airstrip.
It reminds me of CB radio in the 70's
I was in Australia where CB was illegal and New Zealand had their 26mhz CB band so a huge number or Australians developed NZ call signs, I used to be Wellington 768 and chatted away anytime skip was open to NZ.
The aus PMG tried to stop imports so we converted old Pye taxi radios from 75 mhz to 27 by trippling all the coils and fresh Xtals.
Across Australia there are an increasing number of unregistered aircraft, airplanes, helicopters and gyroplanes whose owners just dont bother complying with the regs and do their own thing.
Why, because the Authorities abuse their power, have dishonest and corrupt selfish motivations that serve only their own burocratic goals that use public safety as a subterfuge for their own corrupt enterprises.
Community safety is for the community by the community and rogue councils like the Tokoroa are destroying their own credibility and displaying an unbelievable level of contempt that makes them an international embarassment.
The destruction of the Air Traffic control Tower and shutting down the model airfield
are two examples of their corrupt actions that make them an international embarrasment to New Zealand.
Lets hope Bruce runs for Mayor but that would probably force him to be with the worst of NZ society.
Well stated.
Don't despair. I recently managed to fly legally for several seconds. It's not easy, but it's doable.
this is a symptom of human behavior. I spent 35 years working for a large corporation. The amount of rules that were added during that time is staggering. Most of them would be considered *common sense,* yet, the pencil pushers required that all employees _document_ compliance using various web based tools. Productivity and motivation go down the drain. Some call it value add - I call these rules *_value subtract_*
Hi Bruce hope you are well. A couple of questions for you. Is that play equipment you were using to exercise on rated as safe for your type of usage? and would you not have been safer if you were wearing a helmet too? I could see potential for injury from either a fall from hight or a head impact on the bar. You know I jest of course, stick it to them Bruce. ATB from the UK.
I flew my DLG's a number of times this year with surprisingly no issue. In fact it draws attention of children in their mothers car asking her to pull over and watch me. But I'm sure at some point someone will have to say something. But luckily I have very secluded spots and hills.
I do however have to stay away from one location because they have horse training and my powered planes scare them. Mind you I was flying my screaming F-27 then. DLG's are a different kind of peace when out at the park and thermalling them is just out of this world!
Thankyou Bruce for standing up for what is right.
Bravo sir, this is a worldwide trend and I could not have said it better myself. The people in the sport should have the only say in what is safe or not. Regulators and rule makers know absolutely nothing about this hobby.
I really admire the way you stand up to these corporate goons known as legislators! You put together such logical and coherent arguments and make light of their nonsense! In any case RULES are NOT LAW and breaking them does not equate to a crime! In my opinion most rules are merely solicitation to be led a merry dance for the benefit corporate interests. No victim no crime! Extremely simple! I close with this quote: “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority!”
Bruce, you fast forwarded through the best part, flying the DLG! Your absolutely right, they don't even know to include gliders in the regulations. Clearly they know nothing of what they do. Flying a DLG is more akin to throwing a chuck glider or flying a kite! Haha! That's why I do the same, fly safely. If the law doesn't match up with common sense then is the law just? I love flying my DLG, and highly recommend it! Try it on the slope sometime, even light wind days work well. Endless lift
See now, if he was to winch launch, he could claim it was control-line and the string broke.
"If the rules were fit for their purpose, then simply focusing on safety you would automatically be compliant BUT the fact that you can be safe without compliance shows the deficiency in the rules"
- Bruce
I would also add, just because we have a rule, it doesn't keep people from doing stupid harmful stuff! If people are taught to always look to the "expert" who has proven they are unqualified for their position, then how does anyone learn anything? Learn to think for themselves thereby relying on common sense or what I like to call uncommon sense these days. Haha
Good flight and workout (Pull ups). Bravo from the USA!
I love that Eagle-1 in the background. Space 1999!
IVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS. gonna fly my 2kg airplane with 4 motors on it and broadcast on Band B channel 8 @ 2w in a local park.
That is a cool way to launch. That aircraft went straight up like it was a rocket, not powered by an ole fella with Parkinson’s. These local policy makers don’t know their butts from a hole in the ground. Regulations or policies that are ambiguous or are contradictory within the context of the applicable sections, are non-enforceable anyway. Good on you for challenging the stupidity! Happy flying.
This reminds me of when the roads and traffic authority in Australia banned almost all motorcycles by accident because the lawmakers had never see a bike before. I will never use an ID, nor seek a permit. I've been flying since I was 13, and flying model planes and helicopters and later drones since well before then. My method of avoiding regulations is I never fly them where I am visible or accessible to a complainant and use repeaters.
Outlaw Bruce, menace to the skies!
I fly fixed wing. I will not comply with any tyrants rules. And my entire club now flys armed.. this is a fight they don’t want.
love your channel and your input. keep fighting the good fight
What do your fellow rc flyers at the airfield feel about your dispute with the council ? Haven’t seen any comments from them.
Don’t drop the soap in prison you hardcore criminal! 😂
Here here! You sir are preaching to the choir!!
I take it you cant throw a frisbee in the park then lol. Great video Bruce.
Good for you man!!! What a bunch of Karens. As a hobbyist myself it ticks me off to see so many rules. While i mainly do RC cars i do own a drone thats above the non-permit weight limit of regulations. Legally i have to have my 3DR SOLO registered. Which hasn't been hard to do ( i had to i do live near a small airfield so in that case its understandable), but its the factor that ticks me off. All because a few things happened with them so we have all these rules now. Some immature hobbyists out there went a little crazy, and those hotshots downtown take it too personal and slap everyone with rules.
Wow for how long did I wait for a chill glider flight, love it!
Noo , its still saturday here :D Thanks for the video!
Here here to having enough of rules! I have two rules: be careful not to hurt or annoy others, be careful not to hurt anyone's property. Screw all other rules
You need to come up to Auckland where anything goes to quote D Bader "Rules are there for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men"
Im so on your side......even though i live in the US....if you should incur any violation that cost you money...i will personally pay for any fines for you to go out there and fly whatever the hell you want with a smile on your face!!! Cheers my friend
How does a "Permit" make that dangerous airplane safer?....Unless it was not dangerous to begin with.
In the USA, a town can require permits or ban drones entirely, but because only the federal government can regulate airspace, the local laws can only apply to takeoff and landing. If I go to a park where drones are banned, I can legally go across the street, launch my drone, then fly it over the park and I can even walk into the park grounds holding my controller and there's nothing the local town can do about that, although they can still arrest for the sake of harassing me since the charges won't hold up in court.
There is no substitute for 'common sense' Bruce. None of the rules or rule makers include common sense. If I didn't live on the opposite side of the World in Scotland I'd like to drop by for a beer and good company.
Proves the point how inept the idiots really are . Thanks Bruce for showing us how inept they truly are. Just be safe and have fun
I see a Great decline in the hobby as well , even I am not flying like I was. In fact I have flew only one day the entire year ( i had many flights that day BUT ) still only one day
The Fun and video sharing and the laughable moments made it better, now you can not share video or the funny moments anymore without some one trying to attack you or maybe even try and fine you and You tube making a dollar they refuse to give me...not worth it anymore
But I will fly more soon, this year was an odd year and had so many other things happening, next year Lord willing it will not be so busy.
Keep up the Great work Bruce
Honestly proud of you, I learned a lot!
The sign on your control tower, has my approval. (Alabama, USA)
That’s why I put a teddy bear in all my airplanes.
good to see you still doing what u do best bruce
Agreed the rules were drafted by people with no knowledge of the sport . From those rules you have shown both of your aircraft are compliant and do not require a permit . The electric plane is under the weight limit and the glider has no power source . Happy flying .
They are the problem not you Brother Bruce. You are a Hero in my eyes, Thank You for being so Wonderful, Please keep up the Great Work 😊
There is nothing better than flying 121m high without a spotter, fpv without a permit beyond line of site with a model of 1.51kg :)
I gave up drone flying purely because of the ridiculous amount of regulation. Used to be a fun hobby, then it became such a chore just to find somewhere to fly. So now I don't bother. I really liked your video and your screen presence is top notch. Liked and subbed 👍
I was expecting a constable to appear and clap you in irons. 😊
Dude, I just watch your DLG video from 8 years ago! It's like you read my mind ~ spooky!
If you are thinking of buying a drone, wait until after January. Sales are going to tank because of the new rules and regulations. Prices will drop to eliminate inventory.
They're doing that now. Even brushless-motored toy drones are down to unheard of prices these days. Once Pops works out that Little Johnnie can't fly his Christmas present anywhere any more, that WILL be the end of it though! ☹
What a wonderful video! I love your views on the beuroacy and the associated stupidity!. We must all resist this
I think the rule makers have forgotten that each one of us has a duty of care to ourselves and others even when walking down the street.
Oh wow, I just noticed-- your channel was made the day I was born! What a coincidence
Idk that pointy bit on the end of your DLG could poke someone's eye out even at 7mph, bloody dangerous and irresponsible 😂 enjoy your flying Bruce.
Would love to see some vlogs around Tokoroa while flying. We drove through on the 1 this afternoon. Didn't get to stop to explore will on the way back through. Did see a plane in pattern for the airport
Muscle ups on repeat! here from uav futures, 07 respect my dude.
It is amazing that local governments across the world are much the same. Here in the US, pettiness is the rule of the day. We have scads of personal preferences being administered out to the peasants of smallvilles. Give a man or woman a tad of personal power, and their whelms become codified. My town, too, doesn't like pesky robo mosquitoes drilling through the airspace of Who's town USA. And, too, pesky teens and their homemade motor bicycles are in league with the witches and goblins. Idiots rule, same most everywhere...
Probably your best observations because we're still not paying attention. Fly safe and let the regulations catch up,
There are more two-legged sheep in NZ than there are woolies.
Right on!!!!!
Ok, quick question. During your closing, behind you is a tire.
Here in America, they Jack up the vehicle and steel the tires and wheels leaving the vehicle on blocks.
Down there it appears to be the opposite, Jack the vehicle and leave the tires?
This a down under thing?
Sorry, distracted. What was this vid about again?
RIGHT ON, BRO!!!
I'm ANOTHER old, Bold Curmudgeon here, and I AGREE with you 100% !!!
When my gas powered J-3 Cub flies in violation of some idiot's regulations, LET the
either buggers arrest me, or just shut the hell up!
the rare bear is amazing, upvoted!!
Well said. And what about people out there that use this hobby to help them cope with overcoming mental stress and wellbeing! Many people use the hobby to get away from daily stresses of everyday life.
If I understood what you read correctly, it's possible the glider would be considered unpowered, not powered "by any means other than electric" (paraphrasing), and therefore not need a permit.
Agreed 💯👍 So much wasteful time & effort for such little 0% gain ? So we just find other locations to use for practice and enjoyment and even better than any park.... Keep Fly'n ‼️👍
As an electric skateboarder in NZ dealing with out of date and non existant regulations, go for it old mate.
Someone on your regulation council will see this video than they will change the rules stating you need to wear safety glasses and a hard hat! 🤦🏼♂️ After all you could poke your eye out with that pointed plane and/or you could give yourself a concussion should the plane hit your head.😉 Isn’t it amazing to think of all (the now dangerous things) we did as children and how we still survive to old age! 🤪 For example: drinking out of a garden hose, sliding down a hot metal slide landing on a hard gravel play area, playing with sharp pointed lawn darts, playing with a chemistry sets that actually include Radioactive material, etc. 👴🏻
Good work. Keep it up!
Spot on Bruce. 100% agree with you mate! Your councillors need to learn some humility and understand they are there to serve the community. Far too often do they get too big for their boots and try to establish a fiefdom in the name of their increasingly large egos.
i absolutely agree with you, and its every where my friend theses stupid rules that just dont make sense. thanks for standing up we need more like you in the world.
I'm with you Bruce. All the way. Unjust rules are just unrulable