I came down to this almost exact comparison, except the regular Pelagos, not the LHD. I went Sinn U50S for the comfort in big part. 500M and 11mm thick! Thickness matters a lot in regard to comfort for me. I love the Sinn, I bought the full tegimented S version- 1 year ago almost to the day. The watch looks like it just came out of the box after near daily wear. The tegimenting is amazing. Last month I bought the Tudor BB 58 Blue. Very comfy as well, but I would say the Sinn is even more comfortable,- if I had to pick. There is something to their steel that doesn't stick to you, that is the best way to describe it. I think it comes a lot down to design as well. The Pelagos is another pretty standard looking diver, just like my BB, but the Sinn is very unique. It doesn't look like anything else. I will say if you are at all about ego in your watches and want recognition (many people do) Sinn is not for you. My all black version looks like a $50 toy and I love that about it. The watch is for me not anyone else. One last think my 3 week old Tudor has far more signs of wear than my 1 year old Sinn. I guess that is because the Sinn has no signs wear, literally nothing.
Wow this is helpful to me as well, because I love the look of the U50 S but do not want it on rubber. So that means I would need to consider the bracelet with black coating, which really gave me pause because of what I had read online. I'm not too worried about the case getting scratched, but I was really worried about the black bracelet showing signs of wear, as everyone is telling me to avoid the black coating on bracelet. But you're saying that yours has no signs of wear. I've also read Sinn has improved the black coating over the years so old forum posts may not be relevant but I can't find any FACTS. I don't care about the brand recognition, but I'm very analytical so I always want FACTS when I consider something and I get into analysis paralysis.... I did ask about pricing on the U50 S to the AD and he gave me 20% off on it (it's the most expensive also and had to order it). Food for thought thank you!
Hallo, I habe the U5o mother of perl in Black Bracelet, 15 months every day wear. Its amazing no 1x scratch und like new ..... go for it... its look like new and its not like anything else. U boat steal .. thanks Stefan
I've been a Rolex wearer for 40 years & the problem for me is no matter if it's one of my divers or GMT's I see the same indices & oyster bracelets. I've been looking at alternatives just to mix it up a bit. I really want to like Sinn & as I do like their EZM 13.1 their bracelets leave me a bit cold. At the same time Tudor has such a hard core following that I'm trying to like them but I don't feel many of them live up to the hype. However the Pelagos is an entirely different animal. I truly believe in the long run, many years down the road I think you'll realize how much you've come to love it. As a side note I bought my 1982 16800 Submariner, I wore it all through my time in the Army, went through every advanced school, combat dive school & Arctic training ( -60 degrees ) many combat engagements & even saved my life in a training accident. I still wear it quite often, cost of ownership, 3 services & just 3 months ago the only part ever replaced was the main spring at a cost of 75.00. The Pelagos is even tougher then my Sub & it has true pedigree with a superb in house movement. In the end only you can tell what pulls at your heart strings. Whatever you decide I wish you all the best in your new career & wear your new watch in good health my friend.
Wow good to hear from someone who actually wore his Sub for what it was meant to do + more! Not a safe queen! The 16800 also has nice upgrades over the 5513 while still retaining those classic vintage proportions. I hear you on Sinn bracelet/clasp, same here. People say once you get a Sinn, you understand (and then get more). I just need to give one of these brands a chance I guess!
I like your channel and your analysis without all the usual hype that is so omnipresent in watch related videos. Clear thinking, sober observations. Great job.
Hi Ben, congratulations on the new job! As for your conundrum, allow me to chip in: 1. I wouldn't worry about the Peter Blake. It's a sturdy design, and even with a full Omega service, represents great value for money 2. I used to own a Tudor Pelagos (ETA version) and I truly loved this watch for a couple of years. Best lume on any watch I have ever owned, and really clever clasp. I eventually let it go as it was wearing too big and thick on my 7 inch wrist. If anything at all, the in-house version wears even a bit taller, so I'm not sure it's going to wear so well on your 6.75 inch wrist. You really need to try it on. Also, note that there are a few stories of luminous inserts on the bezel coming loose and falling off. Something to keep in mind if you're really using it for sports 3. A fully tegimented U50 is a tougher watch than the Tudor, and there's less likelihood to bang it as it wears much more compact. Where it really comes alive, though, is on the rubber bracelet, which is incredibly comfortable. I almost forget that I wear it in this configuration. Plus, the clasp on the rubber bracelet is much better than the one on the metal one, though a bit thick The Tudor is great on paper, but having owned both, and using them heavily for sports, the U50 is the clear winner on the wrist as far as I am concerned. PS: agree with some of the comments below. Both have the same depth rating, but Sinn achieves this without the help of a helium escape valve, making it a superior design
Not sure why your comment was "held for review - likely spam" and just saw it. It's probably because you're trying to change my mind lol! Yes, I am worried about the wearability of the LHD to be honest and your comment as an owner of both is very helpful. One thing I love about my IWC Spitfire is that it's so easy to wear, so thin (10.6mm) and I forget I have it on. I think the Sinn would get close to that but not the LHD for sure. I tried the LHD, the wrist pics on the video are mines and it seemed fine in the boutique, but yeah long term, maybe not... The problem is I want all of them haha! I think deep down, even though on paper it seems not to quite match the LHD in terms of specs, I would probably wear it more, hmmm..... Now someone told me to seriously consider the Pelagos FXD instead and I'm currently researching it. Need to try it on. I had eliminated it solely based on the lack of bracelet, but if I accept the military connection and the reason why it has no bracelet, and can live with it, it may actually be very comfortable (thinner, lighter) and very easy to live with as a tool watch. MUST. TRY. FXD!
@@TOKKANTE I quite like the FXD, but I am yet to try it. It would be cool to have it next to its forefather, the M.N. issued 94010 that I own. The one area of concern, though, is that the only option to wear it is a fabric strap, which will automatically make it sit 1 to 1.5mm higher on the wrist. Now, what I am thinking is that to really celebrate the new job, you need a GO SeaQ. Nowhere near as tough a the Sinn or the Tudor, but a very apt sportswatch nonetheless. I've been living in exile for the past 5 months with only 2 watches, the SeaQ and the Speedmaster, and have had no issue working out or playing tennis with the SeaQ.
@@johnnyguitar6697 true about the FXD, I find it really interesting after researching it since doing that video. Lucky you have an original! I want to see it also and am also concerned about the overall height even if i could live with the strap. The issue is WHEN I would even be able to try one?!! The SeaQ is not forgotten but that would really be overkill now I feel to go around the neighborhood to my local supermarket haha.
@@TOKKANTE The SeaQ is so unobtrusive and discrete worn on a tropic rubber strap that no one in your neighborhood or supermarket would ever notice you wear a luxury watch. You literally need to have your nose on it to appreciate all of the details and the finishing. From a distance, people would probably think you're wearing an iteration of a Seiko 62MAS.
Having AR on the inner and outer part of the crystal is quite the experience and the legibility is unmatched. I've banged my 556 on the crystal a bunch of times and there is no scratch.
I know it looks good, but I couldn't accept the scratches. May I ask you if your 556 is a recent example? I read here and there that Sinn may be using better AR coating than it used to, but not sure whether that's an actual fact or just people posting in forums and wishing it's better!
I have had the standard black pelagos as a daily work watch for over a year, it certainly has presence due to its thickness but its titanium is light and durable. The clasp is excellent and the lime is always impressive. It’s has picked up some marks but they add character, it has been used in an industrial environment and in extreme weather, considering it’s abuse it’s not skipped a beat and has a feeling of longevity.
Wearing the Pelagos FXD for the last 2 months now, I agree that it's so light and comfortable, maybe almost too much? Cause I have also noticed 3 little scratches on the top lugs now that I have no idea how they got there... Since I don't really feel the watch, it may make it easier to bump it here and there cause I forget it's on.... Oh well, it's a tool watch!
I own Pelagos LHD. I sleep with the watch daily. Amazing watch. Sinn has some great toolish character. But Pelagos is still another league of luxury watches.
Great comparison video! I can't comment on the Sinn because I've not seen one. I have had the Pelagos LHD for about 4 years and I treat it like a tool watch. I've worn it diving and swimming, at the gym, etc. It takes every day abuse with no problems. Being grade 2 Ti, it does scratch easier than most but it's a tool watch so a few scratches don't bother me. Aesthetics are personal, but I do wish the Pelagos had less text on the dial. Other than that I love how it looks. Mine keeps excellent time (-1.5sec/day) and I've had issues with it at all.
Excellent comparison between the two watches I’m considering for everyday wear. I have been waiting for the same reasons as you mention, too. Love the LHD but if it was slightly smaller I’d have it in a heartbeat. Sinn desperately needs to sort their clasps out. And make a U50b-T! 😁
Hi Ben, excellent video as always... don't forget about the Tudor Black Bay Pro! My U50 gives excellent service and is incredibly tough. Happy hunting! 😊 I disagree about the helium escape valve... the Sinn has been properly designed and engineered and doesn't need one.
Yes I would like to see the Pro but am just afraid that it's gonna be one of those impossible to get watches for a long time and I'm not in this game of buying 3 or 4 other watches before getting the one I really want... Ideally, I would like to see the Pro and the FXD just to make sure.... but even the FXD is nowhere to be found in HK. Re: helium, yes you're right, there are some divers that don't even need them but isn't it more technically challenging to engineer a case with one? Genuinely wondering, maybe it's not, maybe I would need to consult with a real engineer to aware this point!
@@TOKKANTE It''s actually more difficult technically to engineer a watch fit for saturation diving without a HEV. The case design and gaskets mut be improved to the point where helium doesn't get into the case.
First time I need to disagree with you. 1) the LHD wears topheavy 2) a titanium on brscelet for 157grams. How can you give this advantage over a submarine steel tegimented case that weighs the same?? 3) how can you give preference to the He escape valve of the LHD when the better designed Sinn case that doesn’t need a He valve?? I am really disappointed in thid comparison.
Good to disagree sometimes, maybe you can change my mind! Here's my reasoning: 1/ It wears top heavy on the rubber strap but on the "always tight" bracelet it should wear much better, although you're right, the head is still 10 grams heavier. 2/ The LHD is 157 grams with ALL links, i'm expecting it would be lighter than the U50 once sized for my wrist. I would like to know beforehand though how heavy. I found the exact weight for the U50 online from a WatchUSeek user who also had a 6.75" wrist and listed the weight at 151 grams. 3/ I have read that it is more technically challenging to engineer a case with an integrated He valve because of the way the case needs to be constructed. I read on ABlogToWatch that manual HRV are basically useless but automatic ones make sense and are part of diving history (even though, of course, useless to me as well!). Yes the Sinn may not need it, but why and how so? Is it because they're just using better seals? Wouldn't Rolex for example just use better seals and get rid of the HRV then? I'm just genuinely wondering. To be on the safe side, a true time tested solution would be the automatic HRV that's why i gave the point to the LHD but it's all very theoretical since I wouldn't test it.
Hi Ben, nice review and analysis as always. I've already got the SINN U50 (Fully Tegiment option) and as you say it ticks lots of boxes. I also love the Tudor, but am holding out for the PRO, but like want to try the watch on first and that is a challenge in itself as ADs do not have any. My vote would be the SINN: It's different, looks good on a variety of NATO straps, but the soft touch rubber strap is also fantastic, but a bit expensive.
It's frustrating as I wanna see the Pro and the FXD in the metal to convince myself one way or another. I guess I can go try them on at a grey dealer, where they are available (but where I wouldn't buy them), and decide whether to wait for a retail one at an AD. The Sinn though is available! Decisions, decisions...
Sorry it took me several days to view this, however im glad i did. IF those two are the culmination of a tireless search for your new watch then it must be the Tudor for all the reasons you mentioned regardless of the thickness. I would counsel you however for neither one as from a purely technical prospective the Omega ( 232.30.38.20.01.001 )while more expensive than the Tudor is of higher quality due to the co-axial escapement. In the end you are the arbiter and the decision is yours. Congratulations on your new job and your new watch whatever the decision may be ! Cheers !
Not sure why your comment was "held for review" and just saw it. Yes I understand the Omega is superior, it's just not really the low key tool watch I was expecting as it was quite blingy but I'll check this ref. though!
Thanks for watching til the end! I realized that this was very long, possibly my longest video to date, and only a dedicated few would watch it til the end! I love me some German watches, but it's hard to argue, isn't it...
The Tudor LHD is more sophisticated looking because of the left hand drive and the bracket is much nicer looking on the Tudor. Go try them both on at the store and you decide which one looks better on your wrist and feels better. Both are beautiful watches but to me the LHD has the edge in appearance.
Tried them both several times indeed, want them both, can't buy them both, and agree overall with your take. The AD said they can't even get an LHD anymore, and someone told me it's now discontinued??? Don't know if that's true. Am now also thinking about the FXD again.
Did you have any issues with the bezel lume falling off? I did not want to mention it in the video because it doesn't seem widespread but I've read about a few instances where the lume has apparently fallen off from the bezel...
Great video. However, based on your criteria the FXD is your perfect watch. It has greater cool factor than both. It’s much lighter than both. Has better lume than both. No date-your preference. 40mm case with 42.5mm bezel. Most importantly, it’s more comfortable than both when working all day at a work station due to the single pass NATO with no thick clasp digging into your wrist. Give it a try. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised. PS Congratulations on your new job! Good luck!
You may actually be right there! But 2 concerns: I would need to learn to live without a bracelet, and most importantly, it seems very difficult to get (haven't even seen one in HK yet!). But yes, would love to try because the specs are yummy...
Funny I was considering a u50 and a 2255 seamaster the electric blue one. I went for the omega. Quirky design wich has grown on me slowly. Its definitely a icon now.
Yes I think a lot of collectors love these! Question for you re: the dial. While doing research on these, I read that the 2255 blue one has an clear enamel coating on top of a guilloche dial (hence making it a Flinqué dial). I find that VERY HARD to believe though (usually reserved for expensive high horology) and think that it's most likely a stamped dial. do you know anything about that??
@@TOKKANTE I don't know. But it's very shiny under the sun probably some sunburst base dial and a way lighter blue than a bond seamaster. I am not even sure its mild at all. It look like the wave are printed to me. Or milled and filled/printed in at least. It's doesn't have a depth of a modern one at all. Its not in any way bad looking and way thinner! I have also a padi mini turtle and it's really different. The seiko look like pressed/stamped in or something like that. Enamelling is really expensive. they produced so much of them why they would choose something that expensive in a mass production process even if for a luxury good.
Congratulations Ben on your new job! Although the Tudor is a few dollars more, it also includes a rubber strap, it has a roulette date wheel, great movement and you cannot beat the clasp (although, I have also heard that it scratches easily). It is much bigger but if you are ok with the aesthetics, it might be the better option? Or as you mentioned, you can always wait and see what is offered…..there is always the new Tudor BB58 GMT if you can get one. Good luck 👍
Thanks! Yes, other viewers have suggested that actually, the FXD fits my requirements better (slimmer, lighter, better lume, no scratched clasp, etc.) BUT no bracelet and I can't find one yet! Also the BB Pro which I want to try, but also can't find.... will try though.
@@TOKKANTE i also had the Tudor GMT and the most likely one has it inside . i have so many watches and everyone has an AR fortunately inside. with the internal AR there is no reflection . if you turn a watch to the sun, you have no reflection of glass on objects. i don't understand why Tudor in some model use AR and on others not
Ha!!! You may be right about that, but it's always like this, isn't it..... there's ALWAYS the next one!!!! But now that I have the FXD, I wouldn't switch though.
Wooo, aesthetically even closer indeed! I am now also considering the FXD even though there's no bracelet. Had eliminated it at first but somehow I keep being intrigued by it (but haven't seen one yet). That would give me the excuse to also get the U50 as well!
@@TOKKANTE Hi, I wanted to say thank you again for such an in-depth review; it helped me make my final decision on the Pelagos LHD. I just got my Pelagos LHD today…. I Love it! Such a nice watch! It was the correct decision to get the Pelagos LHD. Many Thanks
Thorough as ever, Ben! But beware 'analysis paralysis!' Both good watches. Objectively, by really all measures, the Tudor is the better watch, except, I'd say, for cost of service. But that's trivial, really. So, if you like it, get the Tudor. They may bring out a thinner one some day, but you might die waiting! Seize the day! But, I think they're both expensive for what they are. I know you'll have considered all options, but in case not, what about the SM300? Still around in titanium, or the new one in steel. Or the PO 39 Ceramic? But the elephant in the room (assuming you can deal with the thickness - and the Pelagos is very thick) is the OG, The Daddy, the MM300! Still 'Marinemaster' branded NOS available without the hateful 'X,' or the current sapphire one with it. This is a pro tool, no dress up play here! Still with Seiko (and avoiding the 'X') the SLA043 Glacier. No bracelet, but a better watch than the Tudor, a beauty, quite thin and a very good size. Or... GS Spring Drive diver... plenty discounts there and a fantastic watch. Good luck!
Hi James, regarding service, don't forget that Tudor suggests 10 year service intervals while Sinn suggest 3-5 year intervals, with annual water resistance checks. This makes the Sinn more expensive over time. I have a U50, but I'd really like a Pelagos FXD...
Thanks for bringing that up, I actually completely forgot to factor in service costs (true that it's something we often don't think about but should). Based on Robert's comment, looks like another win for Tudor though! Thanks for your suggestions, I can't go into all of them here but will consider them of course. Analysis paralysis yeah.... I know, can't help it, my dad is the same with cameras!
The LHD is not available in blue though... do you mean just the regular blue Pelagos? I find that blue a bit too bright though... much prefer the blue color from the FXD but I don't think I could live with the FXD without a bracelet.
OMG yes!!! I had not noticed that mistake until YOU pointed it out!!!!! No one else mentioned it, so you get a star! I'll update it when I get a chance...
Mate, if you're working from home then why on earth do you need a dive watch?? Get yourself a nice wall clock instead -- THAT is the right tool for the job 🙄
hahaha, to DIVE INTO MY WORK of course!! Well, we don't need ANY of these but if you're into this hobby too, you know that it's not really about needs, or maybe it's about hypothetical needs...
Really? Is that confirmed? I was at the AD on Saturday buying a BB58 for my friend and asked about the LHD, FXD and BB Pro. They didn't have ANY but did not say anything about the LHD being discontinued!
@@TOKKANTE Same here, I went yesterday to a store in Zurich and while they didn't have it, they told me they would notify me once it arrives. I think it's just rumor.
Yes, that's why with the 2254 it's about finding that specific model that's not too old but also not crazy expensive because then we start comparing again.... I'm sure it will be like finding my Longines Legend Diver: it will somehow happen out of the blue, finding one by chance and boom!
Just looking at the two watches, anyone with a sense of aesthetics/proportions/design, whatever you wanna call it, would have to be mad to get the Sinn over the LHD. I mean it's night and day, ugly mess vs simple perfect masculine form.
@@TOKKANTE Haha, I'm only an occasional watch fan, but I've been impressed by some Sinn's before (103, 104). But in this case the competition is on another level of simple elegance and this is one is not one of the best looking Sinn's imo.
I came down to this almost exact comparison, except the regular Pelagos, not the LHD. I went Sinn U50S for the comfort in big part. 500M and 11mm thick! Thickness matters a lot in regard to comfort for me. I love the Sinn, I bought the full tegimented S version- 1 year ago almost to the day. The watch looks like it just came out of the box after near daily wear. The tegimenting is amazing. Last month I bought the Tudor BB 58 Blue. Very comfy as well, but I would say the Sinn is even more comfortable,- if I had to pick. There is something to their steel that doesn't stick to you, that is the best way to describe it.
I think it comes a lot down to design as well. The Pelagos is another pretty standard looking diver, just like my BB, but the Sinn is very unique. It doesn't look like anything else. I will say if you are at all about ego in your watches and want recognition (many people do) Sinn is not for you. My all black version looks like a $50 toy and I love that about it. The watch is for me not anyone else. One last think my 3 week old Tudor has far more signs of wear than my 1 year old Sinn. I guess that is because the Sinn has no signs wear, literally nothing.
Wow this is helpful to me as well, because I love the look of the U50 S but do not want it on rubber. So that means I would need to consider the bracelet with black coating, which really gave me pause because of what I had read online. I'm not too worried about the case getting scratched, but I was really worried about the black bracelet showing signs of wear, as everyone is telling me to avoid the black coating on bracelet. But you're saying that yours has no signs of wear. I've also read Sinn has improved the black coating over the years so old forum posts may not be relevant but I can't find any FACTS. I don't care about the brand recognition, but I'm very analytical so I always want FACTS when I consider something and I get into analysis paralysis.... I did ask about pricing on the U50 S to the AD and he gave me 20% off on it (it's the most expensive also and had to order it). Food for thought thank you!
Hallo, I habe the U5o mother of perl in Black Bracelet, 15 months every day wear. Its amazing no 1x scratch und like new ..... go for it... its look like new and its not like anything else. U boat steal
.. thanks Stefan
I've been a Rolex wearer for 40 years & the problem for me is no matter if it's one of my divers or GMT's I see the same indices & oyster bracelets. I've been looking at alternatives just to mix it up a bit. I really want to like Sinn & as I do like their EZM 13.1 their bracelets leave me a bit cold. At the same time Tudor has such a hard core following that I'm trying to like them but I don't feel many of them live up to the hype. However the Pelagos is an entirely different animal. I truly believe in the long run, many years down the road I think you'll realize how much you've come to love it. As a side note I bought my 1982 16800 Submariner, I wore it all through my time in the Army, went through every advanced school, combat dive school & Arctic training ( -60 degrees ) many combat engagements & even saved my life in a training accident. I still wear it quite often, cost of ownership, 3 services & just 3 months ago the only part ever replaced was the main spring at a cost of 75.00. The Pelagos is even tougher then my Sub & it has true pedigree with a superb in house movement. In the end only you can tell what pulls at your heart strings. Whatever you decide I wish you all the best in your new career & wear your new watch in good health my friend.
Wow good to hear from someone who actually wore his Sub for what it was meant to do + more! Not a safe queen! The 16800 also has nice upgrades over the 5513 while still retaining those classic vintage proportions. I hear you on Sinn bracelet/clasp, same here. People say once you get a Sinn, you understand (and then get more). I just need to give one of these brands a chance I guess!
I like your channel and your analysis without all the usual hype that is so omnipresent in watch related videos. Clear thinking, sober observations. Great job.
Thank you for watching it! Yeah, I don't care about the hype, I'm not into watches to impress anyone...
Hi Ben, congratulations on the new job! As for your conundrum, allow me to chip in:
1. I wouldn't worry about the Peter Blake. It's a sturdy design, and even with a full Omega service, represents great value for money
2. I used to own a Tudor Pelagos (ETA version) and I truly loved this watch for a couple of years. Best lume on any watch I have ever owned, and really clever clasp. I eventually let it go as it was wearing too big and thick on my 7 inch wrist. If anything at all, the in-house version wears even a bit taller, so I'm not sure it's going to wear so well on your 6.75 inch wrist. You really need to try it on. Also, note that there are a few stories of luminous inserts on the bezel coming loose and falling off. Something to keep in mind if you're really using it for sports
3. A fully tegimented U50 is a tougher watch than the Tudor, and there's less likelihood to bang it as it wears much more compact. Where it really comes alive, though, is on the rubber bracelet, which is incredibly comfortable. I almost forget that I wear it in this configuration. Plus, the clasp on the rubber bracelet is much better than the one on the metal one, though a bit thick
The Tudor is great on paper, but having owned both, and using them heavily for sports, the U50 is the clear winner on the wrist as far as I am concerned.
PS: agree with some of the comments below. Both have the same depth rating, but Sinn achieves this without the help of a helium escape valve, making it a superior design
Not sure why your comment was "held for review - likely spam" and just saw it. It's probably because you're trying to change my mind lol!
Yes, I am worried about the wearability of the LHD to be honest and your comment as an owner of both is very helpful. One thing I love about my IWC Spitfire is that it's so easy to wear, so thin (10.6mm) and I forget I have it on. I think the Sinn would get close to that but not the LHD for sure. I tried the LHD, the wrist pics on the video are mines and it seemed fine in the boutique, but yeah long term, maybe not... The problem is I want all of them haha! I think deep down, even though on paper it seems not to quite match the LHD in terms of specs, I would probably wear it more, hmmm..... Now someone told me to seriously consider the Pelagos FXD instead and I'm currently researching it. Need to try it on. I had eliminated it solely based on the lack of bracelet, but if I accept the military connection and the reason why it has no bracelet, and can live with it, it may actually be very comfortable (thinner, lighter) and very easy to live with as a tool watch. MUST. TRY. FXD!
@@TOKKANTE I quite like the FXD, but I am yet to try it. It would be cool to have it next to its forefather, the M.N. issued 94010 that I own. The one area of concern, though, is that the only option to wear it is a fabric strap, which will automatically make it sit 1 to 1.5mm higher on the wrist. Now, what I am thinking is that to really celebrate the new job, you need a GO SeaQ. Nowhere near as tough a the Sinn or the Tudor, but a very apt sportswatch nonetheless. I've been living in exile for the past 5 months with only 2 watches, the SeaQ and the Speedmaster, and have had no issue working out or playing tennis with the SeaQ.
@@johnnyguitar6697 true about the FXD, I find it really interesting after researching it since doing that video. Lucky you have an original! I want to see it also and am also concerned about the overall height even if i could live with the strap. The issue is WHEN I would even be able to try one?!! The SeaQ is not forgotten but that would really be overkill now I feel to go around the neighborhood to my local supermarket haha.
@@TOKKANTE The SeaQ is so unobtrusive and discrete worn on a tropic rubber strap that no one in your neighborhood or supermarket would ever notice you wear a luxury watch. You literally need to have your nose on it to appreciate all of the details and the finishing. From a distance, people would probably think you're wearing an iteration of a Seiko 62MAS.
Having AR on the inner and outer part of the crystal is quite the experience and the legibility is unmatched. I've banged my 556 on the crystal a bunch of times and there is no scratch.
I know it looks good, but I couldn't accept the scratches. May I ask you if your 556 is a recent example? I read here and there that Sinn may be using better AR coating than it used to, but not sure whether that's an actual fact or just people posting in forums and wishing it's better!
@@TOKKANTE yes mine was purchased in April 2021
I have had the standard black pelagos as a daily work watch for over a year, it certainly has presence due to its thickness but its titanium is light and durable.
The clasp is excellent and the lime is always impressive.
It’s has picked up some marks but they add character, it has been used in an industrial environment and in extreme weather, considering it’s abuse it’s
not skipped a beat and has a feeling of longevity.
Wearing the Pelagos FXD for the last 2 months now, I agree that it's so light and comfortable, maybe almost too much? Cause I have also noticed 3 little scratches on the top lugs now that I have no idea how they got there... Since I don't really feel the watch, it may make it easier to bump it here and there cause I forget it's on.... Oh well, it's a tool watch!
I own Pelagos LHD. I sleep with the watch daily. Amazing watch. Sinn has some great toolish character. But Pelagos is still another league of luxury watches.
Wow you can even sleep with it, so the thickness is really not a concern for you!
Great comparison video! I can't comment on the Sinn because I've not seen one. I have had the Pelagos LHD for about 4 years and I treat it like a tool watch. I've worn it diving and swimming, at the gym, etc. It takes every day abuse with no problems. Being grade 2 Ti, it does scratch easier than most but it's a tool watch so a few scratches don't bother me. Aesthetics are personal, but I do wish the Pelagos had less text on the dial. Other than that I love how it looks. Mine keeps excellent time (-1.5sec/day) and I've had issues with it at all.
Good to hear real life feedback from a true owner! Wow it's really accurate too, maybe they should add "SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER" on the dial too LOL!!
Excellent comparison between the two watches I’m considering for everyday wear. I have been waiting for the same reasons as you mention, too. Love the LHD but if it was slightly smaller I’d have it in a heartbeat. Sinn desperately needs to sort their clasps out. And make a U50b-T! 😁
Glad I'm not the only one... misery likes company lol! We always want what we can't have, don't we...
Hi Ben, excellent video as always... don't forget about the Tudor Black Bay Pro! My U50 gives excellent service and is incredibly tough. Happy hunting! 😊 I disagree about the helium escape valve... the Sinn has been properly designed and engineered and doesn't need one.
Yes I would like to see the Pro but am just afraid that it's gonna be one of those impossible to get watches for a long time and I'm not in this game of buying 3 or 4 other watches before getting the one I really want... Ideally, I would like to see the Pro and the FXD just to make sure.... but even the FXD is nowhere to be found in HK. Re: helium, yes you're right, there are some divers that don't even need them but isn't it more technically challenging to engineer a case with one? Genuinely wondering, maybe it's not, maybe I would need to consult with a real engineer to aware this point!
@@TOKKANTE It''s actually more difficult technically to engineer a watch fit for saturation diving without a HEV. The case design and gaskets mut be improved to the point where helium doesn't get into the case.
First time I need to disagree with you.
1) the LHD wears topheavy
2) a titanium on brscelet for 157grams. How can you give this advantage over a submarine steel tegimented case that weighs the same??
3) how can you give preference to the He escape valve of the LHD when the better designed Sinn case that doesn’t need a He valve??
I am really disappointed in thid comparison.
Good to disagree sometimes, maybe you can change my mind! Here's my reasoning:
1/ It wears top heavy on the rubber strap but on the "always tight" bracelet it should wear much better, although you're right, the head is still 10 grams heavier.
2/ The LHD is 157 grams with ALL links, i'm expecting it would be lighter than the U50 once sized for my wrist. I would like to know beforehand though how heavy. I found the exact weight for the U50 online from a WatchUSeek user who also had a 6.75" wrist and listed the weight at 151 grams.
3/ I have read that it is more technically challenging to engineer a case with an integrated He valve because of the way the case needs to be constructed. I read on ABlogToWatch that manual HRV are basically useless but automatic ones make sense and are part of diving history (even though, of course, useless to me as well!). Yes the Sinn may not need it, but why and how so? Is it because they're just using better seals? Wouldn't Rolex for example just use better seals and get rid of the HRV then? I'm just genuinely wondering. To be on the safe side, a true time tested solution would be the automatic HRV that's why i gave the point to the LHD but it's all very theoretical since I wouldn't test it.
Hi Ben, nice review and analysis as always. I've already got the SINN U50 (Fully Tegiment option) and as you say it ticks lots of boxes. I also love the Tudor, but am holding out for the PRO, but like want to try the watch on first and that is a challenge in itself as ADs do not have any. My vote would be the SINN: It's different, looks good on a variety of NATO straps, but the soft touch rubber strap is also fantastic, but a bit expensive.
It's frustrating as I wanna see the Pro and the FXD in the metal to convince myself one way or another. I guess I can go try them on at a grey dealer, where they are available (but where I wouldn't buy them), and decide whether to wait for a retail one at an AD. The Sinn though is available! Decisions, decisions...
The one that I connect with more, that's the Tudor for me.
But if you fell off your bike, the Sinn would probably be scratch-less! Kidding, you don't fall off your bike...
Sorry it took me several days to view this, however im glad i did.
IF those two are the culmination of a tireless search for your new watch then it must be the Tudor for all the reasons you mentioned regardless of the thickness.
I would counsel you however for neither one as from a purely technical prospective the Omega ( 232.30.38.20.01.001 )while more expensive than the Tudor is of higher quality due to the co-axial escapement.
In the end you are the arbiter and the decision is yours.
Congratulations on your new job and your new watch whatever the decision may be !
Cheers !
Not sure why your comment was "held for review" and just saw it. Yes I understand the Omega is superior, it's just not really the low key tool watch I was expecting as it was quite blingy but I'll check this ref. though!
I watched the whole thing start to finish, and knew you'd pick correctly and get the Pelagos.
Thanks for watching til the end! I realized that this was very long, possibly my longest video to date, and only a dedicated few would watch it til the end! I love me some German watches, but it's hard to argue, isn't it...
@@TOKKANTE the ownership experience is also really good. It's an uncompromising watch.
The Tudor LHD is more sophisticated looking because of the left hand drive and the bracket is much nicer looking on the Tudor.
Go try them both on at the store and you decide which one looks better on your wrist and feels better.
Both are beautiful watches but to me the LHD has the edge in appearance.
Tried them both several times indeed, want them both, can't buy them both, and agree overall with your take. The AD said they can't even get an LHD anymore, and someone told me it's now discontinued??? Don't know if that's true. Am now also thinking about the FXD again.
Nice comparison, I have the LHD and love it!
Did you have any issues with the bezel lume falling off? I did not want to mention it in the video because it doesn't seem widespread but I've read about a few instances where the lume has apparently fallen off from the bezel...
@@TOKKANTE No I haven't, I have seen a few forum posts mentioning that but I think they were very early models.
Great video. However, based on your criteria the FXD is your perfect watch. It has greater cool factor than both. It’s much lighter than both. Has better lume than both. No date-your preference. 40mm case with 42.5mm bezel. Most importantly, it’s more comfortable than both when working all day at a work station due to the single pass NATO with no thick clasp digging into your wrist. Give it a try. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
PS Congratulations on your new job! Good luck!
You may actually be right there! But 2 concerns: I would need to learn to live without a bracelet, and most importantly, it seems very difficult to get (haven't even seen one in HK yet!). But yes, would love to try because the specs are yummy...
Good comparison, to me SINN all the way.
Funny I was considering a u50 and a 2255 seamaster the electric blue one. I went for the omega. Quirky design wich has grown on me slowly. Its definitely a icon now.
Yes I think a lot of collectors love these! Question for you re: the dial. While doing research on these, I read that the 2255 blue one has an clear enamel coating on top of a guilloche dial (hence making it a Flinqué dial). I find that VERY HARD to believe though (usually reserved for expensive high horology) and think that it's most likely a stamped dial. do you know anything about that??
@@TOKKANTE I don't know. But it's very shiny under the sun probably some sunburst base dial and a way lighter blue than a bond seamaster. I am not even sure its mild at all. It look like the wave are printed to me. Or milled and filled/printed in at least. It's doesn't have a depth of a modern one at all. Its not in any way bad looking and way thinner! I have also a padi mini turtle and it's really different. The seiko look like pressed/stamped in or something like that.
Enamelling is really expensive. they produced so much of them why they would choose something that expensive in a mass production process even if for a luxury good.
@@LaFritePerreGoat Yeah that's also what I thought, I don't think they would produce enamel dials at scale like that.
Congratulations Ben on your new job! Although the Tudor is a few dollars more, it also includes a rubber strap, it has a roulette date wheel, great movement and you cannot beat the clasp (although, I have also heard that it scratches easily). It is much bigger but if you are ok with the aesthetics, it might be the better option? Or as you mentioned, you can always wait and see what is offered…..there is always the new Tudor BB58 GMT if you can get one. Good luck 👍
Thanks! Yes, other viewers have suggested that actually, the FXD fits my requirements better (slimmer, lighter, better lume, no scratched clasp, etc.) BUT no bracelet and I can't find one yet! Also the BB Pro which I want to try, but also can't find.... will try though.
i have Tudor LHD and I can assure you that it has no anti-reflective coating
Yes, which is good (to me!)
@@TOKKANTE i also had the Tudor GMT and the most likely one has it inside . i have so many watches and everyone has an AR fortunately inside. with the internal AR there is no reflection . if you turn a watch to the sun, you have no reflection of glass on objects. i don't understand why Tudor in some model use AR and on others not
New Pelagos 39 may have just solved all your troubles :)
Ha!!! You may be right about that, but it's always like this, isn't it..... there's ALWAYS the next one!!!! But now that I have the FXD, I wouldn't switch though.
@@TOKKANTE that's it! The FXD is a great watch, enjoy your time with it!
Here I am deciding between this 2 watches only difference is I am considering the u50 mop vs the blue peglagos
Wooo, aesthetically even closer indeed! I am now also considering the FXD even though there's no bracelet. Had eliminated it at first but somehow I keep being intrigued by it (but haven't seen one yet). That would give me the excuse to also get the U50 as well!
@@TOKKANTE yea me to but hard to come by in the AD. The no bracelet really kills it for me since I wanted something slim
Fantastic review!!
Thank you! This ended up being much longer than I had anticipated. I think only the most dedicated viewers will watch the whole thing!
@@TOKKANTE Hi, I wanted to say thank you again for such an in-depth review; it helped me make my final decision on the Pelagos LHD. I just got my Pelagos LHD today…. I Love it! Such a nice watch! It was the correct decision to get the Pelagos LHD. Many Thanks
I'm a big fan of Sinn i own a sinn 756 but for this line up i would go for the pelagos LHD
Thorough as ever, Ben! But beware 'analysis paralysis!' Both good watches. Objectively, by really all measures, the Tudor is the better watch, except, I'd say, for cost of service. But that's trivial, really. So, if you like it, get the Tudor. They may bring out a thinner one some day, but you might die waiting! Seize the day! But, I think they're both expensive for what they are. I know you'll have considered all options, but in case not, what about the SM300? Still around in titanium, or the new one in steel. Or the PO 39 Ceramic? But the elephant in the room (assuming you can deal with the thickness - and the Pelagos is very thick) is the OG, The Daddy, the MM300! Still 'Marinemaster' branded NOS available without the hateful 'X,' or the current sapphire one with it. This is a pro tool, no dress up play here! Still with Seiko (and avoiding the 'X') the SLA043 Glacier. No bracelet, but a better watch than the Tudor, a beauty, quite thin and a very good size. Or... GS Spring Drive diver... plenty discounts there and a fantastic watch. Good luck!
Hi James, regarding service, don't forget that Tudor suggests 10 year service intervals while Sinn suggest 3-5 year intervals, with annual water resistance checks. This makes the Sinn more expensive over time. I have a U50, but I'd really like a Pelagos FXD...
Thanks for bringing that up, I actually completely forgot to factor in service costs (true that it's something we often don't think about but should). Based on Robert's comment, looks like another win for Tudor though! Thanks for your suggestions, I can't go into all of them here but will consider them of course. Analysis paralysis yeah.... I know, can't help it, my dad is the same with cameras!
Get the LHD in blue Ben. Time for some titanium!!
The LHD is not available in blue though... do you mean just the regular blue Pelagos? I find that blue a bit too bright though... much prefer the blue color from the FXD but I don't think I could live with the FXD without a bracelet.
Hey, just pointing out that the Sinn U1 is in the thumbnail:)
OMG yes!!! I had not noticed that mistake until YOU pointed it out!!!!! No one else mentioned it, so you get a star! I'll update it when I get a chance...
Hey, I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic… lol. If not, glad I can help:)
Accuracy?
I bought the Pelogos LHD titanium, so far it's been really great, compared to a rolex Sub, less flash more of a tool watch.
Mate, if you're working from home then why on earth do you need a dive watch?? Get yourself a nice wall clock instead -- THAT is the right tool for the job 🙄
hahaha, to DIVE INTO MY WORK of course!! Well, we don't need ANY of these but if you're into this hobby too, you know that it's not really about needs, or maybe it's about hypothetical needs...
Tudor must’ve watched your video… 39mm pelagos.
Hahaha, if only! I haven't seen it in the metal yet but I won't let my FXD go so easily...
The Tudor LHD is now discontinued...get one while you can....Hurry!!!
Really? Is that confirmed? I was at the AD on Saturday buying a BB58 for my friend and asked about the LHD, FXD and BB Pro. They didn't have ANY but did not say anything about the LHD being discontinued!
@@TOKKANTE Same here, I went yesterday to a store in Zurich and while they didn't have it, they told me they would notify me once it arrives. I think it's just rumor.
Pelagos is a great watch and clear winner against sinn
On paper yes, but ultimately I kinda want both!
@@TOKKANTE thats our vice
kinda partial to the omega2254......if you get one of their later releases of that model it would be around 14 yrs. old. not vintage at all.
Yes, that's why with the 2254 it's about finding that specific model that's not too old but also not crazy expensive because then we start comparing again.... I'm sure it will be like finding my Longines Legend Diver: it will somehow happen out of the blue, finding one by chance and boom!
Lhd bro!
Ended up getting the FXD!
Rolex/Tudor is the winner
Indeed, hence why I got the FXD in the end, but to be honest, I still kinda want a U50 too (never satisfied!)
Just looking at the two watches, anyone with a sense of aesthetics/proportions/design, whatever you wanna call it, would have to be mad to get the Sinn over the LHD. I mean it's night and day, ugly mess vs simple perfect masculine form.
Someone is not a Sinn fan! That's ok, it's a bit of an acquired taste indeed.
@@TOKKANTE Haha, I'm only an occasional watch fan, but I've been impressed by some Sinn's before (103, 104). But in this case the competition is on another level of simple elegance and this is one is not one of the best looking Sinn's imo.
Sinn T2 > Tudor Pelagos
That would be the Ti equivalent for Sinn yes, but I've never warmed up to the case shape...
Tudor Pelagos 39..gg
50mm l2l is too much
Own both. Terrible review. Extremely biased. I realize it's one person's review, but not an actual comparison.
Then why do say its biased?
One gets the impression that the U50 is a pile of hot garbage. It's actually a decent watch.
Left handed watches look so awful.