Agreed, they've gone too 'tacticool' in my opinion. I still think they look good and I totally get the idea of making them simpler so it's easier to kitbash them but I miss the marines with weird cherubs, parchment and ornate stuff hanging off of them. It kind of makes the difference between hh and 40k a lot more negligible
Gothic is not good when you want to sell plastic soldiers to children who have just started using "adult" scissors whose moms will get mad as soon as they see a little bit of skin on SoB models. They are G.I Joe toys for the new generation, non Space Marines anymore.
@@mojotheaverage its not even tacticool (which 30k raven guard does pretty well without disrupting the setting) - its GW trying to appeal with one range to two audiences at once - your generic sci fi one and old 40k fans. The stark contrast between this new primaris unit and something like the black templars box or the new DA characters is just astounding
@@mojotheaverage I dunno, tacticool is basically a Primaris Marines bread and butter. So it would look strange if one were to, for example, have a Cherab floating around it, or strewn with Purity Seals and Religious Iconography.
Maybe aesthetically, but thematically that doesn't make sense. They are very long range units, and it wouldn't make sense to kit back line units with heavy armor.
A belt-fed missile launcher is the kind of crazy that sounds just right for space marines to be fair... But having two missile launchers just smooshed onto each other, being waved around one-handed like water guns, that I think is where they lost me on this kit. The new seraphon, on the other hand, look absolutely fantastic!
It really doesnt. Look at the Devastator Squad. Those weapons looked believable enought, in how they looked and how the models hold them. This looks like an orkish mess, GW failed at futuristic Missile launchers.
They had some good looking Rocket launchers for the Votan. Something in that direction could have looked good in Space Marine hands. Those new ones just are a bit too big in my opinion.
I've said this in a different video looking at the new Arbites models. They look like a good starting point for "Misters of Battle." Their pattern of armor is very similar if not outright a masculine looking variant of the sisters armor. Tack on a sister's power pack and replace the weapons accordingly. Then scratch off the Arbites logos and either free hand or green stuff some fleur-de-lis on them and you are 95% there. You'll want to source some Imperial Cult iconography to give them a few baubles.
The old saurus were constrained to fit tightly together in the block formations, so they were really free to open up their poses a lot. Big improvement:)
I think they could have installed the large missile in a short of shoulder pod, like in the starship troopers CGI films and then the six shooter missile launcher.... Even with these modifications, I think it is too much daka.
"But you know what else can do a lot of damage to infantry? That's right, our Patreon!" Seriously thought that's where that was going for a second 🤣 But seriously, Kill Team is such a great opportunity to bring back the old Imperial Guard regiments like the Tallarns and Valhallans!
the sad thing is, even if the model looks bad, it will sell well because "space marines" and games workshop will look at the sales and think "hmmm seems everyone loves this silly nerf gun models"
Idk how hard it'd be on the editing side but I'd really like it if you could pull up a picture of the old models when you're comparing to the new ones, cause there's a lot especially in AoS that I'm not familiar with!
The funny part about belt-fed rocket launchers... is that they've been in the game for decades. We call them "heavy bolters." Remember that the "bolt" is a miniature missile, and the bolt pistol is basically the "rocket gun" from the old Bond film You Only Live Twice. Mind you, the new nerf cannons do look ridiculous, that's absolutely true.
My disappointment of the Arbiters team is that I was really hoping for a Inquisition team, Imagine a team were you get an inquisitor (or interrogator) with a group of elite henchmen, and options to take "chamber-militant" units like Deathwatch, grey knights, and Sisters. The brutalis dread is nice, I would've like a gravis lieutenant, and gravis artillery (desolators). Then again, I'm really waiting to see when Deathwatch will get a new updated book....like a primaris version of the DW Veterans in the same vain of the new black templars.
@@ratedjentertainment I'd love to see Inquisitors of various stripes get some love there next -- I get that working up a full army for them is kind of difficult and also doesn't really fulfill their fantasy anyway, but a kill team would work wonders.
Not sure if you remember the the original Tau broadside battle suit ? It had the cannons on the shoulders and then people converted them to be held. Now the comes like that. Maybe you and others can do the same thing with these. Convert them to the shoulders
The missile launchers suffer from the primaris aesthetic of “MOAR GUNS!!” equal UPGRADE ala repulsors. I agree with you that they would have looked better with shoulder mounted launchers. Time to fire up the 3D printer, I’m sure someone out there has already designed primaris scale shoulder missile launcher bits.
I’m with you on the Space Marines weird belt-fed missile pods. Not sure of any purpose for the “dial” or “range finder” attachments. Viewing them would be awkward and they’re overly large to last in battle; unless you’re trying to create a distraction…
Props for not making corn puns :) Oh wow, you're not wrong about those Desolation Squad Marines... ugh. Just makes no sense, it's like some designer's kid scribbled them in their 2nd grade notebook and they just ran with that direction. They should have stuck with just the round rocket pod thing that makes up the lower portion, maybe scaled that up a little, and done.
I think you're right about the belt feeds. Get rid of them and it might make the squad look less ridiculous and try to have them be held with more weight so they don't look like nerf guns
I think the rocket "chainguns" would be fine if they didn't have the additional rocket tubes attached to the top. The concept in general just feels kind of redundant when you already have the Bolter, a fully automatic weapon that fires massive caliber rounds that explode on impact.
I would totally want to kitbash those missle launcher astartes, to have the space marine equivelent of an anti material sniper rifle, maybe even double barrel.
Hmmm. When I first saw the new marines I had assumed the cylindrical weapon was a belt fed autocannon but then became clear those were missiles not gun barrels. The combi weapon would have made sense with guns plus missiles. Missiles and more missiles? Not so much. As I don't play the game that much these days just build and paint, I will probably file down the missile tips and drill them out as gun barrels. In my own head they are autocannons. I'm more looking forward to the Adeptus Arbiters in the new Kill Team but I expect it will be out of stock immediately and never return to the web store. And why haven't they released the Kasrkin figures separately yet?
After a few days to think about the Desolation squad… I think it’s that they look like Ork weapons. These would be right at home on a Rokket Boy or a Flash Git. But they don’t fit on a marine. That being said, I’m going to get 30 of them, because my brain demands it.
I love how a lot of GW stuff looks., Like those vampire samuari really couldn't have come from anywhere else, and I love how they don't make them beautiful. I see what you mean about the guys with the huge guns, they would probably have been alright if they looked a bit more buffed, like aggressors or terminators who are traditionally heavy duty guys. Yet they seem to be doing everything to resist going back to terminators. It's weird really, likewise with gravis. I think the main issue with the line of new releases is that there isn't a clear progression. Tactical, Assault, Scouts veterans, heavy's, terminators. Then you got the sub faction special sauce. We all got what their role on the battle field was immediately and could build companies around their core identity. But new marines don't really have a core identity, they are a bunch of varied stat blocks that we typically pick the best out of to make an army, and I have no idea what a space marine army should look like. Perhaps that was intentional, so that marines could pick the best tools to fit their sub faction, but I've got no idea what a Phobos, Gravis or intercessor is based on the vague semi English legal language that is used to describe them. Like innovation without direction basically. Thanks again for the fun video Jay!
I've been watching too much EoB. At 22:06 I've been conditioned to think Jay was going to say "But you know what else can do a lot of damage to infantry? THATS RIGHT our Patreon"
Ok I like the new space marines with the rocket launcher in my opinion I like the big chunk maybe it a new S.T.C and I love the new dreadnought😂😂😮😮 but it just my opinion
How about a list of best birds? We've got drukhari bird, corsairs bird, kroot bird, chaos knight bird, ... Also you forgot to mention leagues of votann, they haven't gotten kill team rules yet either. Maybe they can even have their own bird!
The claws on the Brutalis are rumored to have a sweep profile anyways. I also don't get the Desolation squad hate. They look fine. I think people's complaints are nickeling and dimeing a bit with them. Same with the Dorn tank bottom plate. Just feels like much ado about nothing.
The Desolation Squad is flat out awful. But GW will continue to drop these lazy designs as long as people buy them. And there’s a sucker born every minute.
I think they're good as is with the guns. It's not even that silly, and it works fine to me. They're space marines, let them be Superman holding a big ass gun with no problem, make the revolver chain fed, it looks cool and like the type of tech they'd make too. Big disagree with you here.
Honestly, I understand how a belt-fed six shooter rocket launcher would work, as, while you shoot, a rocket gets reloaded, to not interrupt the shooting. Or it could reload similar to the spiral from war robots, as in, after it has finished shooting, it reloads a rocket, then spins to the next one, and continues to do that until all 6 barrels are loaded. The only thing I don't like is the space marine that is holding a pistol out while he wields the gun with a single hand It would have made more sense if the gun would have been resting on the ground, because balancing seems to be an issue.
I see the Desolation Squad in a so ridiculous that I fall in love with them. All the flaws are so goofy that I just love the stupidity it has a feeling like older models and how ridiculous those looked sometimes. If you see the gun as to big I could see someone mounting the top part of the gun on top of their shoulder or power pack but they are just to hilarious for me to hate them.
I think the community is being way over the top with these models, I like them. Every weapon devastators have are huge, why should this be any difference, I mean they wield tank weapons. Granted the sgt. is a bit too much.
Desolation squad is the least well received unit I’ve seen. They are far too busy. Remove the belt feed, move the mini rocket pods to the backpack and cut down the tube count on the top, three of the small rockets or one big one on top.
@2:30 if you actually want to know, the little skink is both the caretaker (he wipes the frogs ass) and the translator, most of the "seraphon" cant speak what the slaan does, the skink translates the orders for the rest of them at least thats what i remember it being from WH fantasy, idk if they changed it for AoS
I'll be honest, I didn't see the space marine's rockets as nerf guns. While to me they aren't magnificent, they reminded me of the old quake arena shooter weapons
For me the issue with the missile launcher dudes is less the missile launchers and more that they wear vanilla primaris power armour which is a bit bleh. I was hoping they would grimdark them up a bit.
The only human team I want to see in Killteam now (I was extremely excited for Arbites and will definitely be getting the box) is Killteam Catachan. The moment they release an updated Catachan kit is the moment I'll start an Imperial Guard army
i think warhammer need to stop producing space marines for an entire edition, like, one named character for an edition, then give the xenos faction a proper range refresh, i think we hit the space marines saturation point
man those primaris guns would look so much better if they cut off the top and just stuck with the gatling missile launcher. I can get behind a gatling gun that shoots small rockets, that's appropriately ridiculous for the 40k setting. Or alternatively just have them with the square shaped missile launchers and no gatling gun. It's the combo of the two that's ridiculous and frankly, very ugly.
Or just use the 30k gatling that uses heavy bolter rounds THAT ALREADY EXIST. One thing people forget about bolter rounds, they already have missile targeting/airburst/ap and so on a so forth.
Honestly warhammer kills me. Everyone just jumps on what everyone else is always saying. Everyone begged for an over the top crazy gun for space marines. Then they get it and one nerd says it's dumb, so they all agree. I like it. I think it looks like the gun from the 5th element and it's cool. Jesus people what's Wrong with you?
I've been holding off on aos because my two favourite armies, warriors of chaos and lizardmen, were either still lacking in variety or really outdated model wise. Looks like last year was the year of heresy for me and this year will be the year of Sigmar!
I like the new desolator marines. Do they look ridiculous? Or course they do! But it's 40K, everything is supposed to be over the top and ridiculous! And the great thing about the hobby is that now we have rules for Primaris missile marines there will be a ton of custom kit bashes made by those that don't like the way these look.
I think it's less that they look ridiculous and more that their guns just don't make sense, at all. It looks like the fever dream of a US military contractor and a 6 year old.
I agree with your assessment of the Desolation Squad. They look comical and terrible. Remember that Primaris can never be armed with the same gun as firstborn, so the designers had to invent some new and different type of missile launcher. Tthey really outdid themselves with this one
Everyone who hasn’t put a slann together seems to love the new model. The first I remember was in the 90’s it was a toad carried on a throne by six saurus warriors. Next we get a slam that hovered. It had a great meaty clear stalk. Then we get two where the model is held up by four or five “supports “ if you’d call them that. I’ve watched people build them and they are a nightmare. I guess beauty over constructibility. Also the modes are tipsy. I think to fix them is what I saw on google for display models, bigger bases and the clear plastic shaft in the middle. It gives you places to securely grab the models and they not fall over. Now in the 90’s some tournament rules were you had to stay on the factory bases. Age of Sigmar maybe different since every little miniature doesn’t have to stay squished together. Idk I need a new book. But if I cold find better pictures of how the new slann priest is stabilized I might save up for one. After all they (I believe) are all gorgeous models. Btw don’t the new saurus models look like one page rules models.
I'm already seeing two possible ways you could kitbash those primaris missile launching marines. It would require parts from first born missile Launchers though, specifically the arms. You would need to cut away the most of original launcher and separate the primaris one from its trigger assembly then combine them so that the primaris marine is holding the launcher like the first born, you're definitely going to need green stuff and lots of random bits to fill gaps, move the 6 shot launcher somewhere else (I say on top), and because you'd be using first born arms and at least one set holds the launcher with both, you'll need to cut and add spacers to true scale them. Now if you want a real challenge, try converting at least one primaris body into a kneeling position.
Raptors with feathers are so good, it wants me to have an Amazonian supplement army for Lizardmen. But the missile Marines are so bad, the whole community, even GW shills are laughing at them.
DUDE look at the US MANPAD. StarStreak, AT4 and TOW launchers. they are all huge and not all that heavy.... ok the tow launcher is a chunk and needs assembled but you you can lift the launcher just not all the other junk its not balanced
Those Desolators look so dumb that they start looking cool again. It's weird as hell as an official model, and I don't like the direction GW keeps pushing Primaris marines, but if I saw them as a conversion I would absolutely love them.
The space marine with rockets: go with the rotating missile launcher as a stand alone gun, and strap the bigger missile launchers on their backpacks, or on servo arms.
Bro didn't watch the newest Jurassic World movie cus they went sickomode on the designs That's like the one good thing about the movie, superb dino-eye-candy
Why not just use...oh IDK...the weapon flavors we have had for years and years and years.... Las cannons? Krak/Frag misses. Idk, these things just look so low effort.
About you "out of LoS" point... Imagine Desolation Squad carried mini cruise missiles and had a comm array on their backpack to control, along with some goofy Fpv goggles helmets.
Personally, I love the new Desolators. I think GW should keep the more gothic firstborn line of minis and have the Primaris just be ridiculously weaponized.
Desolation are dumb as hell. For one, the little revolver is the indirect weapon, so why the hell is it on the bottom (we know its because they designed this kit with the sprues in mind and having one set of arms and gluing the options on top makes sense from a production standpoint) but boy does it look dumb. Either over the shoulder launchers or something more akin to a heavy bolter / grav cannon grip, with the indirect weapon being shoulder mounted would look ace, imo. But others are right, they really should be a gravis unit if theyre going to basically be packing 2 missiles launchers (3 if youre the sergeant)
The question I have at the moment is how are super frag/Krack and castellan launchers connected. If they are separate pieces, you mover the super launchers to the backpack (like a typhoon launcher) and replace it with a laser pointer or the sensor from the backpack. If they one piece however, I’ll pass and use devastators.
i think they are different since The Enforcers deal with local hive troubles, Arbites are more like Interpol, dealing with interplanetary crime and the like. in first version of necromunda there were rules for adeptus arbites. but in v2 they have replaced them with enforcers team. ...
I really disagree about to many human teams. There are tones of parts of the imperium that are totally neglected modle wise that kill team is great at introducing new models for. Kreig got some plastic, but Catachans, Vostroyan Firstborn, Armageddon Steel Legion and Mordian Iron Garud have all been severely neglected and I would love to see them get kill teams at some point. There's also Inquisition Stormtroopers who haven't gotten model support in literally decades. Inquisitor Acholites could also be cool but I do sorta appreciate their identity as a 100% kitbased unit. Still I think they could be a mechanically interesting team and also maybe have a Jokaero which is always welcome.
Agreed, I would love some Savlar Chem Dogs or Imperial penal legions (some kind of suicide squad) in kill team. And you could do so much with a human civilization worshipping one of the chaos gods or whatever. What about nurgle slug men? or a team of biopunk slaaneshi cultists? There really are no limit.
@@ghostofalltime4934 what about a kill team of humans from the golden age of technology who got stuck in the warp!! Super advanced tech and not affiliated with the imperium!!! Tbh that’s my idea of another faction who are at the edge of the galaxy returning from another galaxy
@@minishaw280 Another awesome idea! I think the Horus Heresy has a lot of interesting human empires that could make a good killteam. I'm a fan of one of them from Prospero Burns, weird humans mashed with technology so much they don't look human but there are many more.
The Desolation Squad is unironically the worst models GW have made in years, you are absolutely right. It's the zenith of the recurring "PUT MORE GUNS ON" mantra that has plagued recent releases from whatever designer keeps doing it.
28:28 If the rocket launchers were in the wrist and not in the end of the gun, I think they would look a lot better, even with the belt. The guy with the two rockets it's an easy slide that thing up the gun and even leave the 6 grenade things
I've got a question about a couple of figures I found from my uncle, they're metal. One says " MFG SIMTAC DS 1995 by Bob Olley" on the bottom it's a guy with futuristic armor on and a rifle. Another is maybe a orc type guy with a sword across his chest and says "HHG 95" on the stand. Lastly is a viking and says "Rafm 89". Any ideas? Also amazing videos I wanna get into warhammer.
I like the desolators. To me, they look like they are straight out from a 90's PC FPS Arena Shooter like Quake 2 or Unreal Tournament 99. Especially the latter who had a rotative 6 barreled rocket launcher fed with a rocket pack (you could easily imagine a belt to feed the gun instead). Quake 2's RL could also be easily imagined with a belt fed system instead of it's rocket pack. So yeah... I like them because of this, to me they scream "we're from the 90's!!!!" (but maybe not Warhammer's 90's). On a side note, for a missile unit, people would have prefered a model similar to the Centurions, which were an universally hated model precisely for it's uglyness and goofyness, but are somehow... considered pretty models today??? In 5-10 years, we'll love the Desolators as much as we love the Centurion now, and we'll say "Holy Emperor, Desolators were so beautiful back then!". Mark my words. :P
I might have accepted the Primaris marines if GW had just announced them as the updated versions of the space marines. But the lore has just gotten ridiculous, Hey we just found a whole bunch of ancient technology that no-one new about and that'll be the norm now. AND YOU WILL LIKE IT! YOU LIKE IT! YOU DO LIKE IT! No, I don't. They look weird. And for the life of me I cannot find upgrade packs for old space marines anymore.
The Desolator missile launchers look like somethin Ork Lootas would build.
*Gestures at combi weapons*
@@danteunknown2108 No bolter/shoota component..,.Deffgun.
Exactly, it's something a talented Mekboy would make
@@CBRN-115 maybe it're forshadowing the twist reveal that belasarius cawl is infact three mekboyz in a trenchcoat.
@@ummdustry5718 that explains the blatant tech heresy that is Cawl Inferior
Space Marines definitely need more imperial gothic influence.
Ya they are way too polished looking
Agreed, they've gone too 'tacticool' in my opinion. I still think they look good and I totally get the idea of making them simpler so it's easier to kitbash them but I miss the marines with weird cherubs, parchment and ornate stuff hanging off of them. It kind of makes the difference between hh and 40k a lot more negligible
Gothic is not good when you want to sell plastic soldiers to children who have just started using "adult" scissors whose moms will get mad as soon as they see a little bit of skin on SoB models.
They are G.I Joe toys for the new generation, non Space Marines anymore.
@@mojotheaverage its not even tacticool (which 30k raven guard does pretty well without disrupting the setting) - its GW trying to appeal with one range to two audiences at once - your generic sci fi one and old 40k fans. The stark contrast between this new primaris unit and something like the black templars box or the new DA characters is just astounding
@@mojotheaverage I dunno, tacticool is basically a Primaris Marines bread and butter. So it would look strange if one were to, for example, have a Cherab floating around it, or strewn with Purity Seals and Religious Iconography.
I think it would have been better if the models were paired with gravis armor
Maybe aesthetically, but thematically that doesn't make sense. They are very long range units, and it wouldn't make sense to kit back line units with heavy armor.
With orc heads 👍
Nothing saves that kitbash weapon
Honestly I was hoping for a jump squad more like the inceptors, gravis and deep strike together with rockets 👍
@@johnlowkey359 uh...Heavy Intercessors are a thing.
@@johnlowkey359 heavy intercessors already sit in the back line and even the eradiacators come in from a edge from stragetic reserves.
A belt-fed missile launcher is the kind of crazy that sounds just right for space marines to be fair... But having two missile launchers just smooshed onto each other, being waved around one-handed like water guns, that I think is where they lost me on this kit.
The new seraphon, on the other hand, look absolutely fantastic!
I think it would better if the belt fed and big launchers were separate weapons
It really doesnt. Look at the Devastator Squad. Those weapons looked believable enought, in how they looked and how the models hold them. This looks like an orkish mess, GW failed at futuristic Missile launchers.
*gestures at combi weapons*
Rocket launcher on a rocket launcher? That's sounds like a fine dakka
And if the belt wasn't feeding into a revolver.
Those Seraphon mounts remind me of the Kulu-Ya-Ku from Monster Hunter.
Time to rock your opponent's world.
Staight up same colour scheme for the giant rock wielding chicken
Bird Up!
Ow hey, you're right. Suddenly I like them a lot more
Those missile launchers felt like an ork weapon made for a space marine
Perhaps Belisarius Cawl learned the ways of the Lootin'?
We also still need a Catachan killteam. So a Catachan vs Tyrannid box would be awesome
They had some good looking Rocket launchers for the Votan. Something in that direction could have looked good in Space Marine hands.
Those new ones just are a bit too big in my opinion.
not to big more like too cluttered.
Like i could cut the weapon and half down the middle and it would look fine
It looks like they stole the design from an ork. It's like 4 different rocket launchers stuck together
I've said this in a different video looking at the new Arbites models. They look like a good starting point for "Misters of Battle." Their pattern of armor is very similar if not outright a masculine looking variant of the sisters armor. Tack on a sister's power pack and replace the weapons accordingly. Then scratch off the Arbites logos and either free hand or green stuff some fleur-de-lis on them and you are 95% there. You'll want to source some Imperial Cult iconography to give them a few baubles.
The old saurus were constrained to fit tightly together in the block formations, so they were really free to open up their poses a lot. Big improvement:)
I think they could have installed the large missile in a short of shoulder pod, like in the starship troopers CGI films and then the six shooter missile launcher.... Even with these modifications, I think it is too much daka.
Space Marine Lootaz!!!
Derez no such fing az too much dakka! MOAR DAKKA!!! WAAAAAAAAAAGH
"But you know what else can do a lot of damage to infantry? That's right, our Patreon!" Seriously thought that's where that was going for a second 🤣
But seriously, Kill Team is such a great opportunity to bring back the old Imperial Guard regiments like the Tallarns and Valhallans!
the sad thing is, even if the model looks bad, it will sell well because "space marines" and games workshop will look at the sales and think "hmmm seems everyone loves this silly nerf gun models"
Idk how hard it'd be on the editing side but I'd really like it if you could pull up a picture of the old models when you're comparing to the new ones, cause there's a lot especially in AoS that I'm not familiar with!
The funny part about belt-fed rocket launchers... is that they've been in the game for decades. We call them "heavy bolters." Remember that the "bolt" is a miniature missile, and the bolt pistol is basically the "rocket gun" from the old Bond film You Only Live Twice. Mind you, the new nerf cannons do look ridiculous, that's absolutely true.
My disappointment of the Arbiters team is that I was really hoping for a Inquisition team,
Imagine a team were you get an inquisitor (or interrogator) with a group of elite henchmen, and options to take "chamber-militant" units like Deathwatch, grey knights, and Sisters.
The brutalis dread is nice, I would've like a gravis lieutenant, and gravis artillery (desolators).
Then again, I'm really waiting to see when Deathwatch will get a new updated book....like a primaris version of the DW Veterans in the same vain of the new black templars.
The desolation squad is a fantastic Ork kit at least!
I'm loving all the different human kill teams - finally getting to see a little of all the different parts of the empire
I agree, Imperium is often overlooked in 40K and Kill Team, I am happy to see them finally getting some love. Eldar are just over supported.
@@ratedjentertainment I'd love to see Inquisitors of various stripes get some love there next -- I get that working up a full army for them is kind of difficult and also doesn't really fulfill their fantasy anyway, but a kill team would work wonders.
Assassin, Inquisitors, Sisters of silence and, if you want to get really wild, Lucifer blacks killteams would be amazing.
I think the silliness of the RAWCKET LAWNCHER marines is wonderful in a way. It somehow reminds me of Metal Slug a little bit.
I don't think the orks have to loot those things. They can just pick it up and use it immediately
We have orks for the 'H E A V Y M C A C H I N E G U N' vibe already though. This doesn't feel Space Marines to me.
Another great release lineup for Skaven players.
Not sure if you remember the the original Tau broadside battle suit ? It had the cannons on the shoulders and then people converted them to be held. Now the comes like that. Maybe you and others can do the same thing with these. Convert them to the shoulders
The missile launchers suffer from the primaris aesthetic of “MOAR GUNS!!” equal UPGRADE ala repulsors. I agree with you that they would have looked better with shoulder mounted launchers. Time to fire up the 3D printer, I’m sure someone out there has already designed primaris scale shoulder missile launcher bits.
I would have loved a giant version of the Rogue Trader Marine missile launcher, fed by giant magazines looked great imo.
i promised myself i wouldn't buy more until i get through what i have so far. Then boom new lizardmen
I've promised myself I'm not gonna start a Lizardmen army until they update the skinks, so I'm starting to sweat now...
YES! i'm glad to hear you're a fellow Juan Diaz connoisseur. His Wood Elf sculpts were the mosy jawdropping sculpts I've seen, ever.
Arbites have options for all to be with shields and power mauls 😊
I really like your excitement and positive, even when you don't like something, you doing this in kind manner. thanks for this.
I’m with you on the Space Marines weird belt-fed missile pods. Not sure of any purpose for the “dial” or “range finder” attachments. Viewing them would be awkward and they’re overly large to last in battle; unless you’re trying to create a distraction…
Props for not making corn puns :)
Oh wow, you're not wrong about those Desolation Squad Marines... ugh. Just makes no sense, it's like some designer's kid scribbled them in their 2nd grade notebook and they just ran with that direction. They should have stuck with just the round rocket pod thing that makes up the lower portion, maybe scaled that up a little, and done.
I think you're right about the belt feeds. Get rid of them and it might make the squad look less ridiculous and try to have them be held with more weight so they don't look like nerf guns
You nailed the issue. The Devistators should be in Gravis with shoulder mounted launchers. Could not figure out what I did not like before.
I think the rocket "chainguns" would be fine if they didn't have the additional rocket tubes attached to the top. The concept in general just feels kind of redundant when you already have the Bolter, a fully automatic weapon that fires massive caliber rounds that explode on impact.
Tho the ideal Kill Team would be a 25 man AP1 all Grot Kill Team, introduce true hoard team to the game.
Man Jay makes me smile. So enthusiastic and personable
He’s the only warhammer youtuber that has a personality
@@tuckbuckk5465 you need some MajorKill in your life.
I would totally want to kitbash those missle launcher astartes, to have the space marine equivelent of an anti material sniper rifle, maybe even double barrel.
It feels like GW took some inspiration from the unreal tournament 1999 rocket launcher, but then made it much worse.
Hmmm. When I first saw the new marines I had assumed the cylindrical weapon was a belt fed autocannon but then became clear those were missiles not gun barrels. The combi weapon would have made sense with guns plus missiles. Missiles and more missiles? Not so much.
As I don't play the game that much these days just build and paint, I will probably file down the missile tips and drill them out as gun barrels. In my own head they are autocannons.
I'm more looking forward to the Adeptus Arbiters in the new Kill Team but I expect it will be out of stock immediately and never return to the web store.
And why haven't they released the Kasrkin figures separately yet?
The belt fed 'missiles' being the same size as a heavy bolter round, you know, bullets can arc assuming that's the 'reasoning' behind them.
After a few days to think about the Desolation squad… I think it’s that they look like Ork weapons. These would be right at home on a Rokket Boy or a Flash Git. But they don’t fit on a marine.
That being said, I’m going to get 30 of them, because my brain demands it.
I love how a lot of GW stuff looks., Like those vampire samuari really couldn't have come from anywhere else, and I love how they don't make them beautiful.
I see what you mean about the guys with the huge guns, they would probably have been alright if they looked a bit more buffed, like aggressors or terminators who are traditionally heavy duty guys. Yet they seem to be doing everything to resist going back to terminators. It's weird really, likewise with gravis. I think the main issue with the line of new releases is that there isn't a clear progression. Tactical, Assault, Scouts veterans, heavy's, terminators. Then you got the sub faction special sauce. We all got what their role on the battle field was immediately and could build companies around their core identity.
But new marines don't really have a core identity, they are a bunch of varied stat blocks that we typically pick the best out of to make an army, and I have no idea what a space marine army should look like. Perhaps that was intentional, so that marines could pick the best tools to fit their sub faction, but I've got no idea what a Phobos, Gravis or intercessor is based on the vague semi English legal language that is used to describe them. Like innovation without direction basically.
Thanks again for the fun video Jay!
I've been watching too much EoB.
At 22:06 I've been conditioned to think Jay was going to say "But you know what else can do a lot of damage to infantry? THATS RIGHT our Patreon"
We literally said that phrase out loud while watching the vid!
Ok I like the new space marines with the rocket launcher in my opinion I like the big chunk maybe it a new S.T.C and I love the new dreadnought😂😂😮😮 but it just my opinion
How about a list of best birds? We've got drukhari bird, corsairs bird, kroot bird, chaos knight bird, ...
Also you forgot to mention leagues of votann, they haven't gotten kill team rules yet either. Maybe they can even have their own bird!
The claws on the Brutalis are rumored to have a sweep profile anyways. I also don't get the Desolation squad hate. They look fine. I think people's complaints are nickeling and dimeing a bit with them. Same with the Dorn tank bottom plate. Just feels like much ado about nothing.
The Desolation Squad is flat out awful. But GW will continue to drop these lazy designs as long as people buy them. And there’s a sucker born every minute.
I think they're good as is with the guns. It's not even that silly, and it works fine to me. They're space marines, let them be Superman holding a big ass gun with no problem, make the revolver chain fed, it looks cool and like the type of tech they'd make too. Big disagree with you here.
Honestly, I understand how a belt-fed six shooter rocket launcher would work, as, while you shoot, a rocket gets reloaded, to not interrupt the shooting.
Or it could reload similar to the spiral from war robots, as in, after it has finished shooting, it reloads a rocket, then spins to the next one, and continues to do that until all 6 barrels are loaded.
The only thing I don't like is the space marine that is holding a pistol out while he wields the gun with a single hand
It would have made more sense if the gun would have been resting on the ground, because balancing seems to be an issue.
I see the Desolation Squad in a so ridiculous that I fall in love with them. All the flaws are so goofy that I just love the stupidity it has a feeling like older models and how ridiculous those looked sometimes. If you see the gun as to big I could see someone mounting the top part of the gun on top of their shoulder or power pack but they are just to hilarious for me to hate them.
I think the community is being way over the top with these models, I like them. Every weapon devastators have are huge, why should this be any difference, I mean they wield tank weapons. Granted the sgt. is a bit too much.
I defended suppressors, storm speeders, and Invictors Walkers. I can't defend the Desolators. They just look over the top goofy.
Desolation squad is the least well received unit I’ve seen. They are far too busy. Remove the belt feed, move the mini rocket pods to the backpack and cut down the tube count on the top, three of the small rockets or one big one on top.
@2:30 if you actually want to know, the little skink is both the caretaker (he wipes the frogs ass) and the translator, most of the "seraphon" cant speak what the slaan does, the skink translates the orders for the rest of them
at least thats what i remember it being from WH fantasy, idk if they changed it for AoS
I'll be honest, I didn't see the space marine's rockets as nerf guns. While to me they aren't magnificent, they reminded me of the old quake arena shooter weapons
For me the issue with the missile launcher dudes is less the missile launchers and more that they wear vanilla primaris power armour which is a bit bleh. I was hoping they would grimdark them up a bit.
The only human team I want to see in Killteam now (I was extremely excited for Arbites and will definitely be getting the box) is Killteam Catachan. The moment they release an updated Catachan kit is the moment I'll start an Imperial Guard army
Hey, it might be worth checking out Spacenam from Atlantis Wargames. They pretty much nail the appearance. ^^
@@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 Good call dude, those look great. Thanks!
@@TrippyTheShroom No worries man! I know they were a 3d printable product, they transitioned to a mini line quite nicely
I just want a Votann kill team so I finally have an excuse to buy some!
Votann vs Tyranids seems such a no-brainer!
Primaris with Ratchet and Clank sized weapons is the first time I've wanted to get Space Marines tbh
I think that would s the main reason people don’t like it. Those guns are way to cartoonish.
Idea: Strap the top rockets to the backpack kind of like how the broadside battlesuit does and remove the belt from the gun
i think warhammer need to stop producing space marines for an entire edition, like, one named character for an edition, then give the xenos faction a proper range refresh, i think we hit the space marines saturation point
"Get your tshirts! C'mon get some!"
Those marines are just putting all the cotton from the cotton planets to use.
I think you need to be employed at GW so you can come up with the names of all the new models
I personally like the desolation squad bit I have heard lots of complaints
2:22 Those aren't cheeks Jay, they are the eardrums of the frog/Slann.
yea the new primaris wepons sucks so bad , i hoped they now go the votann wepons rute
man those primaris guns would look so much better if they cut off the top and just stuck with the gatling missile launcher. I can get behind a gatling gun that shoots small rockets, that's appropriately ridiculous for the 40k setting.
Or alternatively just have them with the square shaped missile launchers and no gatling gun.
It's the combo of the two that's ridiculous and frankly, very ugly.
Or just use the 30k gatling that uses heavy bolter rounds THAT ALREADY EXIST. One thing people forget about bolter rounds, they already have missile targeting/airburst/ap and so on a so forth.
Honestly warhammer kills me. Everyone just jumps on what everyone else is always saying. Everyone begged for an over the top crazy gun for space marines. Then they get it and one nerd says it's dumb, so they all agree. I like it. I think it looks like the gun from the 5th element and it's cool. Jesus people what's Wrong with you?
@lnboxontele_gramEonsofbattleyt oh wow Ma look, this one thinks it's witty! Adorable 🥰
I've been holding off on aos because my two favourite armies, warriors of chaos and lizardmen, were either still lacking in variety or really outdated model wise. Looks like last year was the year of heresy for me and this year will be the year of Sigmar!
I like the new desolator marines. Do they look ridiculous? Or course they do! But it's 40K, everything is supposed to be over the top and ridiculous! And the great thing about the hobby is that now we have rules for Primaris missile marines there will be a ton of custom kit bashes made by those that don't like the way these look.
I think it's less that they look ridiculous and more that their guns just don't make sense, at all. It looks like the fever dream of a US military contractor and a 6 year old.
I agree with your assessment of the Desolation Squad. They look comical and terrible. Remember that Primaris can never be armed with the same gun as firstborn, so the designers had to invent some new and different type of missile launcher. Tthey really outdid themselves with this one
I might just have to loot a Desolation squad to convert a unique Flash Gits squad.
Everyone who hasn’t put a slann together seems to love the new model. The first I remember was in the 90’s it was a toad carried on a throne by six saurus warriors. Next we get a slam that hovered. It had a great meaty clear stalk. Then we get two where the model is held up by four or five “supports “ if you’d call them that. I’ve watched people build them and they are a nightmare. I guess beauty over constructibility. Also the modes are tipsy. I think to fix them is what I saw on google for display models, bigger bases and the clear plastic shaft in the middle. It gives you places to securely grab the models and they not fall over. Now in the 90’s some tournament rules were you had to stay on the factory bases. Age of Sigmar maybe different since every little miniature doesn’t have to stay squished together. Idk I need a new book. But if I cold find better pictures of how the new slann priest is stabilized I might save up for one. After all they (I believe) are all gorgeous models. Btw don’t the new saurus models look like one page rules models.
Yep, I like all of these except for the Nerf Squad 👍
I'm already seeing two possible ways you could kitbash those primaris missile launching marines. It would require parts from first born missile Launchers though, specifically the arms. You would need to cut away the most of original launcher and separate the primaris one from its trigger assembly then combine them so that the primaris marine is holding the launcher like the first born, you're definitely going to need green stuff and lots of random bits to fill gaps, move the 6 shot launcher somewhere else (I say on top), and because you'd be using first born arms and at least one set holds the launcher with both, you'll need to cut and add spacers to true scale them. Now if you want a real challenge, try converting at least one primaris body into a kneeling position.
or just use firstborn, ez pz
@@ce5122 or find 3D printed versions of kneeling primaris.
The new lizardmen just being the ones from Total War Warhammer is funny to me. Most excited for the Adeptus Arbites kill team though.
The super soaker guns look like the big ridiculous guns from The Fifth Element.
I mean, the end of one of those barrels did look like it had a red button on it.
Raptors with feathers are so good, it wants me to have an Amazonian supplement army for Lizardmen. But the missile Marines are so bad, the whole community, even GW shills are laughing at them.
I 110% agree about the paint scheme on the warcry box, the warbands are too similar and too washed out
DUDE look at the US MANPAD. StarStreak, AT4 and TOW launchers. they are all huge and not all that heavy.... ok the tow launcher is a chunk and needs assembled but you you can lift the launcher just not all the other junk its not balanced
Those Desolators look so dumb that they start looking cool again. It's weird as hell as an official model, and I don't like the direction GW keeps pushing Primaris marines, but if I saw them as a conversion I would absolutely love them.
The space marine with rockets: go with the rotating missile launcher as a stand alone gun, and strap the bigger missile launchers on their backpacks, or on servo arms.
Bro didn't watch the newest Jurassic World movie cus they went sickomode on the designs
That's like the one good thing about the movie, superb dino-eye-candy
Why not just use...oh IDK...the weapon flavors we have had for years and years and years.... Las cannons? Krak/Frag misses. Idk, these things just look so low effort.
About you "out of LoS" point... Imagine Desolation Squad carried mini cruise missiles and had a comm array on their backpack to control, along with some goofy Fpv goggles helmets.
I like the new lizardmen except for the skink faces, they just look wrong to me.
Personally, I love the new Desolators. I think GW should keep the more gothic firstborn line of minis and have the Primaris just be ridiculously weaponized.
Desolation are dumb as hell. For one, the little revolver is the indirect weapon, so why the hell is it on the bottom (we know its because they designed this kit with the sprues in mind and having one set of arms and gluing the options on top makes sense from a production standpoint) but boy does it look dumb. Either over the shoulder launchers or something more akin to a heavy bolter / grav cannon grip, with the indirect weapon being shoulder mounted would look ace, imo. But others are right, they really should be a gravis unit if theyre going to basically be packing 2 missiles launchers (3 if youre the sergeant)
The question I have at the moment is how are super frag/Krack and castellan launchers connected. If they are separate pieces, you mover the super launchers to the backpack (like a typhoon launcher) and replace it with a laser pointer or the sensor from the backpack.
If they one piece however, I’ll pass and use devastators.
hello,are the palatine/enforcers of necromunda are arbites?
i think they are different since The Enforcers deal with local hive troubles, Arbites are more like Interpol, dealing with interplanetary crime and the like. in first version of necromunda there were rules for adeptus arbites. but in v2 they have replaced them with enforcers team. ...
I really disagree about to many human teams. There are tones of parts of the imperium that are totally neglected modle wise that kill team is great at introducing new models for. Kreig got some plastic, but Catachans, Vostroyan Firstborn, Armageddon Steel Legion and Mordian Iron Garud have all been severely neglected and I would love to see them get kill teams at some point. There's also Inquisition Stormtroopers who haven't gotten model support in literally decades. Inquisitor Acholites could also be cool but I do sorta appreciate their identity as a 100% kitbased unit. Still I think they could be a mechanically interesting team and also maybe have a Jokaero which is always welcome.
Vostroyan won’t come out ! But the others might
Imperial stormtroopers got rolled into the scions tho.
Agreed, I would love some Savlar Chem Dogs or Imperial penal legions (some kind of suicide squad) in kill team. And you could do so much with a human civilization worshipping one of the chaos gods or whatever. What about nurgle slug men? or a team of biopunk slaaneshi cultists? There really are no limit.
@@ghostofalltime4934 what about a kill team of humans from the golden age of technology who got stuck in the warp!! Super advanced tech and not affiliated with the imperium!!! Tbh that’s my idea of another faction who are at the edge of the galaxy returning from another galaxy
@@minishaw280 Another awesome idea! I think the Horus Heresy has a lot of interesting human empires that could make a good killteam. I'm a fan of one of them from Prospero Burns, weird humans mashed with technology so much they don't look human but there are many more.
The space marines need some chunking up so Ima add capes to all of them and maybe anything that will bulk the chests like grenades etc
It's called Warhammer 40k because every year they have to release 40,000 new Space Marines...
But never any new Skaven.. >:|
The Desolation Squad is unironically the worst models GW have made in years, you are absolutely right. It's the zenith of the recurring "PUT MORE GUNS ON" mantra that has plagued recent releases from whatever designer keeps doing it.
@23:52 The Space Marine: "We are Compensating for something" -squad. The Nerf foam-dart blaster Squad.
niche units like the anti-infantry dreadnaught could be put in versus boxes where the pairing is a fun experience
28:28 If the rocket launchers were in the wrist and not in the end of the gun, I think they would look a lot better, even with the belt. The guy with the two rockets it's an easy slide that thing up the gun and even leave the 6 grenade things
I think the Desolation Squad looks cool as hell, but I understand why some don't think they're good
You can like what you like but if you like the new space marine unit you're wrong
Then I'll be wrong and proud fucknugget
@@thenerfkid9228 🤨
I've got a question about a couple of figures I found from my uncle, they're metal. One says " MFG SIMTAC DS 1995 by Bob Olley" on the bottom it's a guy with futuristic armor on and a rifle. Another is maybe a orc type guy with a sword across his chest and says "HHG 95" on the stand. Lastly is a viking and says "Rafm 89". Any ideas? Also amazing videos I wanna get into warhammer.
8:35 .. yeah Jay.. the vampires are transforming into “wolves”..
Totally not bats..
I like the desolators. To me, they look like they are straight out from a 90's PC FPS Arena Shooter like Quake 2 or Unreal Tournament 99. Especially the latter who had a rotative 6 barreled rocket launcher fed with a rocket pack (you could easily imagine a belt to feed the gun instead). Quake 2's RL could also be easily imagined with a belt fed system instead of it's rocket pack. So yeah... I like them because of this, to me they scream "we're from the 90's!!!!" (but maybe not Warhammer's 90's).
On a side note, for a missile unit, people would have prefered a model similar to the Centurions, which were an universally hated model precisely for it's uglyness and goofyness, but are somehow... considered pretty models today??? In 5-10 years, we'll love the Desolators as much as we love the Centurion now, and we'll say "Holy Emperor, Desolators were so beautiful back then!".
Mark my words. :P
The Spacemarines looking like Guys with T-Shirt Cannons. You get an Empereor T-Shirt you get an Emperor T-Shirt, everybody get an Emperor T-Shirt!
I might have accepted the Primaris marines if GW had just announced them as the updated versions of the space marines. But the lore has just gotten ridiculous, Hey we just found a whole bunch of ancient technology that no-one new about and that'll be the norm now. AND YOU WILL LIKE IT! YOU LIKE IT! YOU DO LIKE IT! No, I don't. They look weird. And for the life of me I cannot find upgrade packs for old space marines anymore.