Kingsgrove, Sydney N.S.W.
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Kingsgrove, the quiet suburb which became front page news in 1956.
Sources -
'Kingsgrove, The FirstTwo Hundred Years', Hill & Madden
Wikipedia
Trove digitised newspapers
Google maps
Churches Australia
Memorials Register
Hurstville History
www.youtube.com/@stpeterscooksriver1873/playlists Check out our play list.The videos are grouped such that, whenever possible those that are geographically close are together.
History lesson again. Thanks so much.
Good to see your name again. Just a little surprised at your interest in Kingsgrove. For three years now we have been doing Sydney Suburban History video on you tube. Still wondering what the magic formula for increasing views. In conversation we’ll point out how many views Arncliffe has whilst how Manly, which we had great hopes for has surprisingly few. The latest to surprise is this video of Kingsgrove, which after only one day has overtaken Penrith. Only wish there were more like you watching across the board.
@@stpeterscooksriver1873 Hi again. Dunno the magic formula either, seems today's attention span is all about shock value contrived for 5 minutes of fame, sadly. Your extensive history knowledge of the suburbs that I know gives me insight of how they began. Maybe the Manly coverage was sought by people who are connected there whereas your connection is mainly from the south of the Harbour Bridge, being a St. Peters Cooks River title. Thanks again.
A few days, and we begin to see an upturn in the number of viewers of the Manly video. Our thoughts on why Manly had surprisingly few viewers, was that Manly residents, according to the 2017 census are younger, and their parents never lived in the area. This recent interest may prove us wrong. As someone who spent the day, entertaining, and being entertained by a Seniors Group which included members from Arncliffe, Rockdale and Bexley, and would commend Bayside’s Rockdale, and Georges River’s Kogarah library to anyone, I’m happy to identify the area we live in. We have a standard way of working. First gather information, from books, or items on line, including heritage architects reports, place it in a chronological order. Sift the information through Trove newspapers and Sands directories of the time. Structure a script such that a relevant time line can be seen within each relevant topic, e.g. industries, churches, entertainments, pubs, housing.Avoid superfluous wording, mention people by name, but leave no comment on how good or bad they are, for “all have sinned.” Last comes a vast search for illustrations from a variety of sources.We like the people who now leave, very reasonable comments. What we wish to avoid are those who would have us believe in the perfection of their ancestors. So far we’ve had two instances where we got it wrong, and with one of them we were able to correct it, though editing RUclips videos once they are up and have many views is a challenge. The other we pointed out on the comments page and left a link. The big challenge is that there appears to be vast tracks of land on the North Shore that were orchards and the like and then there was suburbia, there lies the challenge. Why we should be having this conversation on a page devoted to Kingsgrove, I don’t know, but thank you once again for your remarks.
Thought this might interest the people of Kingsgrove for we are very pleased with your response to our video on your suburb, and the Creator tells me you have a very easy route to Rockdale. Sunday (7th April), the creator and I were at Lydham Hall, the historic house at Rockdale, which is open to the public, and staffed by volunteer members of St. George Historical Society. As a guide to the house, I found people had plenty to talk about, and I enjoyed their company immensely. Don’t think of Lydham Hall as a museum where everything is kept under lock and key and glass separates you from viewing items in a natural way.. On entering the house, it’s as if the owners are out for the day and you are left to wander at your leisure. The place to reflect nostalgically on your past is in the kitchen, where a great iron stove, just like grandma had dominates. There are mincing machines, a mouse trap to catch four mice, Mrs. Potts’ irons, a mangle/wringer, and a multitude of utensils from everyone’s past. Then enter the glorious dining room with a style which we no longer seem to have time for. Followed by the drawing room, ( or perhaps more correctly withdrawing room) where one retired to after the meal and listened to the piano, played cards, draughts or chess. Then off to bed and a room where you not only slept, but washed and shaved, and of course the magnificent chamber pot with a cabinet to itself. I sat in the drawing room with one visitor and talked about diary of a Mr. Willington who recorded his journey in 1887-88 from London to Arncliffe by steamship, ia vessel with three funnels and two sails.He lived the rest of his life in Arncliffe. The lady, from Arncliffe, told me of her regular walk down Willington Street and expressed surprised when I told her to take a seat. The Creator of the video, and the female voice busied herself in the kitchen, with others in providing, coffee, tea and scones with cream and jam, to be devoured on the back balcony which has a view of Botany Bay. There’s also a lawn on which quoits can be played, and for the less energetic how about spotting the voices on the RUclips video? You may even find time to say what’s right or wrong with our videos.
We will be hosting a Meeting of Marrickville Heritage Society on Saturday, 10.00 a.m. 27th May, at St Peters Church, 187 Princes Highway St. Peters. The church, was built in 1838.Its NSW State Heritage listing states: ‘St Peters is probably the first real attempt at archaeological Gothic in Australia. An audio visual talk on the history of the church will reveal its connection with the film ‘Unbroken’; see the latest restoration work; view the clamp kiln bricks, wooden pillars, Lyon & Cottier stained glass windows and hear the1880 Brindley & Foster organ. Wander around the museum in the tower room and explore the Victorian graveyard. Parking in the grounds, and very accessible by public transport.It’s Free!
If you want to watch more of our videos, tap on the church icon, which will take you to the others on our site. If your interest is local, we have videos on Earlwood and Bexley.
I grew up in Kingsgrove. As kids we would go down to the "brick pits" checking out the old dumped car wrecks that were there and riding our bikes around the site. Went OLOF (kindergarten to year 4) primary then on to De La Salle Boys College (Years 5 -10) before it became a primary School.
Thanks for your interesting comment. You set us searching for the brick pits. There is a reference to brick making in Kingsgrove in the 1880s, in a book on the history of Kingsgrove. The Creator suspects that this may now be in the Canterbury area. The only other suspect might be that it was where the Kingsgrove pottery got their clay from. We would very much appreciate your giving a fuller description of where the brick pits were, and also whether they still exist or have they to become a victim of progress. Look forward to hearing from you, as I sure many of our viewers will. We have recently become aware, from RUclips analytics that the sections of our videos that our audience are most interested in span from the beginning of the 20th century to their childhood. We suspect this being from grandfather to grandchild. Bearing in mind that those watching our video are, according to RUclips Analytics, over forty five and 80% male. Do keep up the correspondence if you have any other thoughts.
@@stpeterscooksriver1873 The "brick pits" (at least that's what everyone called it) was located in the area between Wolli creek to the south and the end of Glamis St to the north. I remember it looking like a bit of a wasteland. I lived at Bykool Ave a few streets over. You could walk to them from the end of my street. Eventually the site was redeveloped into into an industrial site. The M5 is located over the top as well. It's hard to remember the EXACT location, but it was in the area I have described.
This was in the early 70s BTW.
@@hectorlamar806 Thanks for your quick reply and more importantly, your very detailed account of the location, and your aside ”at least that’s what the kids called it.” If you go to 2 minutes 45seconds on the video, you should see a map of your area, and a photograph. The map has John Chards land on it but also mentioned is the purchase by Mashman of the pottery, of land from him in 1908. The photograph on the right is the site, and on the right hand side of it you can see the celebrated Kingsgrove Gasometer or Gas holder. For what it is worth Elizabeth Chard is buried in the graveyard of St. Peters Cooks River Anglican Church, at St. Peters. The holes left by the brick makers were a cause of death from children, in particular falling into them. Nothing like that at Kingsgrove in the 1970’s I presume?
@@stpeterscooksriver1873 Yes, that looks about right (on the video). I remember there were car wrecks and a lot of garbage dumped down there. As a kid I remember it being a bit of a scary place to go. Sort of spooky. I don't recall any kids dying there. Maybe some injuries though. I can also recall riding my bike through the small old cemetery on Moorefields Rd behind the chapel/church and looking at all the old graves from decades past. I always felt a sense of peace there for some odd reason and would ride there often on my own. Anyway, all good memories. Thanks.
A question for our viewers. Why have our most popular RUclips videos been on, Kingsgrove, Glebe, Parramatta’s an historical time line and discovering history, Manly, Ryde and Concord.
We would like to hear your views, particularly if you are a resident, employed in the area, or were either of these in the past. Kingsgrove’s great number of views to start with have more than surprised one who at one time lived there, but why we ask are you watching?
I think it's because of the video's uniqueness - I couldn't find anything else like it
@@winneryeahmate Thanks for your comment. We are aware of the uniqueness, but it is good to have it confirmed. When we first had the idea of launching a Sydney Suburban history channel, we approached others from History Societies to join us in the venture. No one was interested, in truth because they were busy with their own group. We have developed a particular style. We quite deliberately avoid our own personalities getting in the way of the story of the suburb. Likewise we know much about the people mentioned in the history, but avoid telling how good or bad they were. This avoids controversy with those who have a saintly impression of their ancestors. We are pleased with the comments people make, they are not only complimentary in the main but also literate and like your own helpful and interesting. Many are watching on T.V., which may make it difficult to leave comments. Most of our viewers are over forty five, with four males to females watching. Would like to see more of the younger generation viewing them, and I think they could be used to some effect in schools, but so far we get the impression no one is. One of our hopes was that people might be inspired to write a story, play or short film fact or fiction on their local area, but haven’t heard of anyone doing it yet.
Dowsett road does not corner with Edward street it runs from kingsgrove rd to Caroline street. So Piccadilly theatre was around there but not where it says in the video.also there was no service shell service station there, as that is the backstreets of kingsgrove!!!
The Creator has used the phrase, “between Dowsett and Edward St.” This refers to the location being on Kingsgrove Road, between these two streets. The service station is no longer, but has been replaced by the Blue Cross Medical Centre at at 322 Kingsgrove Road.I hope this gives greater clarity as to the position.Your comment is valuable for we can see how things could havebeen clearer. I’ve made the comment else where, that I lived in Kingsgrove for a brief period in the 1970s and I am at a loss as to why the video, in a brief period has excelled all expectations as to its growth. Frankly in our three years of creating history videos, we have not seen such figures over a period of days. I can say no more that ask have you any explanation?
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Your videos are fantastic, I love them and I think so many other people do!
@@ngman5545 Thanks for you reply.Your comment, “ and I think so many other people do,” is at present appropriate, in that our number of viewers has recently increased dramatically, as has the number of hours people watch our videos.Kingsgrove has been quite a surprisingly contributor to these totals. We do appreciate our viewers leaving comments on what they remember and pointing out perceived errors, for we are in many suburbs, outsiders. We placed a photograph of the wrong park in one, largely caused by them being close to one another and having the same name. The other other was a complex problem with what happened to one church. The challenge is to edit them, once they are viewed. The good thing is that we have viewers, that are not abusive, and are good communicators. RUclips tells us they are all over forty five years old. I shall say no more.
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You are doing a remarkable project , I love kingsgrove and your video filled in sone gaps I had in my own personal history on this suburb. Thankyou so much for doing this☺️
Please do earlwood
You will be pleased to know that we have a video on Earlwood, which has surprised us with over 4000 views somewhat like Kingsgrove which in the last 48 hours has received almost 650. We are still waiting to discover why such interest, though we are of course pleased.
Please do Sydenham
Thanks for your comment, but we have already done one on Sydenham, and considering that its present population is in the region of one thousand, we are very pleased with its number of views. Many are we suspect former residents, who, for whatever reason, still nostalgic about the place. We had a friend, who took the money offered by the compulsory purchase at the time of the third runway going in in circa 1994, and purchased something of a mansion in Marrickville. You should be able by tapping on our icon, that is the circular church image, get all our videos up. Our play list is chronological, such that Sydenham, being something of an afterthought, does not but up against St. Peters and Tempe. Every time we think about about rearranging our list, such that suburbs which are near one another are listed together, we see that each suburbs viewing has a life of its own. Anyway thanks for prompting us to think about such things. We are inclined to think that the RUclips Algorithm is doing its best, and in the context of our videos being geographically linked, its the best we can hope for. If we were tutoring guitar, we could start with showing one chord and have our viewer hanging out for the next video on the second chord. Our is at best an educated guess as to what might gain more views. Hope I haven’t bored you. The problem isn’t yours its ours.
Can you please do a clip on Bexley North
I’m the male Pom, whose voice you hear on the video. I lived on Staples St. Kingsgrove for a year or so from 1974. I have unreliable memories of Bexley North, of walking across a grassed area in thongs to the Bexley North pub. I seem to remember it had cane furniture, which, given where I come from was a novelty. There was also a small library which however was well stocked, and had helpful staff. I recently attended a funeral of a friend at the local funeral parlour. I walked over to the pub, but it was no longer in the style I remember. What we have missed out on featuring in a video is the Prime Ministers bush walk in the Bardwell Valley. Our video on Bexley, of which Bexley North is part of is a very popular view. I could tell you where in Kingsgrove I learnt about “shooting through like a Bondi tram,” and having “Buckley’s,” but that I shall perhaps leave for another day.
I have some good news for you, the Creator, the female voice you hear on the videos, is seriously considering a video on the Bardwell Valley and Bexley North. Do subscribe such that you will be informed when it appears. My apologies for giving the impression that we would not consider the idea.
Please bexley east
@@paulgerrard9227 We think the area you are referring to is covered by our videos on Bexley, Rockdale and possibly Kogarah. The problem is we suspect that the next video of ours you are offered after watching one e.g. Kingsgrove is geographically no where near the one you watched. We are still thinking through whether to arrange them in geographical regions, but that itself has problems. Not only are some out on their own with no common boundary with another suburbs video, but adjacent suburbs can have an entirely different number of views. Whether we should change things now, when have seen an enormous increase in both our viewers but also in subscribers, is a question we ask ourselves. I might add that we continue to be amazed by Kingsgrove, and have been for some time with the views of our Bexley video, topping many much larger suburbs. Thanks for leaving the comment.
Half of the narration was excellent, the other half, not so much. I'll let you speculate which is which, though I doubt much speculation is actually needed.
Interesting vid otherwise, ta.
We truly would like you to be more specific, the word narration to us suggests, either our words were not clearly enunciated in the commentary, or part of it was plainly boring. My guess having lived there briefly in the 1970s is that any mention of the “Kingsgrove slasher” creates an interest. We are now, of course outsiders but must say we are pleased but somewhat surprised by the number of views our Kingsgrove video has had. In the last forty eight hours almost 650. Look forward to hearing from you.
@@stpeterscooksriver1873 I was trying to be diplomatic, and I realise this is a very subjective thing, but... the female here is good, the male, not so much. His voice is a bit monotone, he seems to speaking very slowly, not in what I would consider a normal speaking voice, and I assume this is because he is paying particular attention to enunciation. I have read, aka listened, to a very large number of audio books, so while that doesn't make me a speak coach, or an expert on it, it does give me a lot of experience across the board with various narrative styles. Trust me when I say that a narrator can make or break a book. This isn't a movie or a professional product, I get that, I was simply making an observation. If the gentleman who did this normally speaks this way, then so be it, but if he generally a bit more laid back and natural, then I would say lean that way, rather than trying to be so BBC RP.
The hits MAY have come from this vid being linked in a Facebook page. I belong to a group there, school reunion thing blah blah, and we all went to Kingsgrove High in the late 60s and early 70s. I suspect most of us looked ;)
Anyway, thanks for the vid, it was interesting :)
@@guswrethman2156 I’m English from Northamptonshire, I have one parent from Scotland and the other from Staffordshire, but my accent is the same as anyone born in the town, believe you me. My problem is that I an inclined to be a little anxious. This partly due to the female narrator and myself as to pronunciation,(English or Australian) and am inclined to emphasise certain words, a style which the female does not approve. The occasional aircraft overhead or other sounds off don’t help either. I’m not particularly aware that my speech is all that different, but in truth, for whatever reason I tell people I’m from the U.K., they are inclined to say, “You didn’t have to tell me that.” We did cast around for people to join us when three years ago, but no one took up the offer.
We haven’t joined Facebook, because we don’t want to spend our time answering people who may be difficult. RUclips analytics informs us that our audience are all over forty five and mainly over sixty five. Our viewers, are like yourself, perfectly reasonable people who write well. We are happy with that, but we do try to understand what drives certain videos, particularly Kingsgrove. Rarely do people tell us, so your contribution is very much welcome. Meanwhile back to the Creator and further discussions on my voice, hoping I might meet with your approval on our next video Watson’s Bay. I occasionally leave comments on other channels, and largely because I’m inclined to be deliberately ambiguous, I’m often misunderstood as to which side of the fence I’m on. Sincere thanks for your comment.
@@guswrethman2156 I’ve had a rethink on my problem. The Creator, who also deals with the audio, requested that, on the Kingsgrove video I should not be so loudly, this is a challenge for me. I’m an old dog, who finds it difficult to do new tricks. Prior to doing Kingsgrove, I had a second denture plate fitted and I commend such procedures for brass and woodwind players. However I do find that singing loudly in church, I can hear certain “o” sounds coming out in the affected way you describe.
I neither wish to sound like anyone either from the north or south of England. Hoping this is a better explanation than the first offered. Have you any idea how many pupils Kingsgrove School had in your time, approaching 1700 makes it a fairly large school?
@@stpeterscooksriver1873 I don't really know offhand, but it certainly wasn't a large school. It was 'normal' late 60s early 70s Sydney stuff. Re the narration. I am not a speech coach, or a professional, but I am a consumer. I've listened to a lot of audio books. A lot, so I have some idea of what is annoying, and what isn't, and while I acknowledge that this is subjective, I think some of it at least is objective. Some readers try too hard. Some are too affected. Some try to emote. If you think about it, there aren't really all that many good movie actors, or actors in general. Not everyone can do it, nor can everyone be taught to do it. I would say that 'just speak naturally' would by my advice. Don't try to be too RP, or worry too much about enunciation. Just speak clearly, and normally, and it will either be better, or at worst, no worse. Plenty of things I can't do, so if you can't master it, don't sweat it. The content is great, and my comments were meant only to help make future ones better.