The mom also had substance abuse issues just like the dad. She also allowed her children to be around her brother who was a registered sex offender. Which was the primary reason, although I have yet to see any proof that her children were assaulted in any way by him.
I’m not trying to be nasty, but I am inclined to believe that your type of thought process is part of a slow deterioration of this country is critical thinking. In many ways it’s faster erosion too. I could expand on the reasons but most people don’t like to be told when they’re wrong. But I just can’t help but pointing out one point, and that is that I’m wondering if you would make the same comment had he given the kids to the mother and something bad happened to the key. It feels like it’s kind of damned if you do and damned if you don’t. When you hold them up to needing to be perfect, then you constantly feel like you’ve been let down. Once we have a crystal ball available then judges will be perfect. Who knows if the judge made the right decision or not based on the information available then.
I’m not trying to be nasty, but I am inclined to believe that your type of thought process is part of a slow deterioration of this country’s analyzing skills/ability. In many ways it’s faster erosion too. I could expand on the reasons but most people don’t like to be told when they’re wrong. But I just can’t help but pointing out one point, and that is that I’m wondering if you would make the same comment had he given the kids to the mother and something bad happened to the key. It feels like it’s kind of damned if you do and damned if you don’t. When you hold them up to needing to be perfect, then you constantly feel like you’ve been let down. Once we have a crystal ball available then judges will be perfect. Who knows if the judge made the right decision or not based on the information available then.
Our family court system is over worked and under staffed so it's not surprising that the judge gave grandma custody, as she was a land owner and established citizen. So many children go through our courts due to the level of drugs in our communities.....so sad 😢
God bless every person in uniform for your selfless efforts. Hearts are broken for the families, communities and children who lost their mamas 💔 Praying for all
Thank you to the whole team of investigators and officers involved in this case. We are always looking at the mistakes and negligence of our law enforcement; so I’d like to take this opportunity to praise these men and women on doing an amazing job and bringing justice for the victims and their loved ones.
I just can't stand how officials have to congratulate themselves for most of the news conferences. The Children NEVER should have been given to that woman so they've been in harms way for quite some time.
Well said...taking more time to take congrats than provide meaningful information. Like politicians instead of good old detectives that show some emotion and tell you what really happened without every fact being necessary to withhold so as to protect the investigation.
Because they can’t say anything else. They can’t talk about what happened. He’s thanked family and everyone who’s helped. This is a formality at every big case. They are all the same.
I appreciate all the efforts from all law enforcement in investigating this tragic event. This is a nightmare for the both families of deceased individuals, the city of Houghton, Ks, and everyone who were friends of the two deceased individuals....I will await the trial of the perpetrators and hope justice will be done for the families, friends, the city of Houghton and the victims of this horrific crime.
Sending love & condolences to the families of the 2 beautiful mothers……I am so so sorry 😢😢May you find comfort in the love of each other & RIP Veronica & Jillian 😇😇❤️🙏
EXCELLENT job to all who handled this case and the rest who helped. It was solved unbelievably fast! Good team work! Now we need justice for the families. So very sad and tragic.
My Brother, It would be So Beautiful if The FBI would stick to cases like this. If they actually did that, OBVIOUSLY, no one would have ANY PROBLEM with them. But, unfortunately, that’s not Reality. In Reality, The FBI knew FOR SURE by January 2017 that Russian Collusion with The Trump Campaign was FALSE, yet they allowed This False Narrative to continue for 2+ years. Emails released in late 2019 revealed that FBI Agents went to England in January 2017, and interviewed The Primary Source of The Steele Dossier and learned: He didn’t have any FIRST-HAND EVIDENCE of anything. What he told the FBI is he was at a bar in Moscow, and some acquaintances who worked at a Hotel told him that they knew of a videotape of some weird things that happened with Trump in a hotel room. They could never track down these people, and could never confirm the existence of this videotape. They knew all this in January 2017, yet continued to obtain FISA Warrants, even though they knew the “Evidence” used to get these Warrants was Non-Existent. Imagine DIVERTING the VALUABLE RESOURCES of The FBI to CARRY ON a Politicized WITCH HUNT against someone They Hated, when those RESOURCES were designed to INVESTIGATE cases like this one -- These Two Kansas Moms. This FALSE RUSSIAN COLLUSION “Investigation” does nothing but Plant Seeds of DISTRUST in The FBI. In addition, using The Power of The FBI to raid the home of a man who was PRAYING in front of an Abortion Clinic also CREATES ANIMOSITY toward The FBI. The Raid they conducted of that Father matched the Raids of These 4 Murderers. Later, all charges were DROPPED against the Father, because The Case was BOGUS from the start. The FBI has EARNED The Distrust it currently is enduring.
Why have these press conferences when you don't provide any updates beyond what the public already knows and won't answer basic questions I hear the press asking like they should? And don't give me we have to protect the investigation for some of the questions. They seem like a bunch of politicians to me. If it turns out the two were held for a few days, that really changes things as to the success of the investigation.
Marrying into that evil family and having children with that son was the worst thing Veronica could have done. Maybe there aren’t many good options out there.
@pamferguson2605 I am not 100% sure if they have been identified by a next of kin...but I think they are pretty sure or they wouldn't if said.. imo.. just what I've seen n read
But they didn’t find the bodies before the arrests ,,, and it was posted by family that the women were deceased before the bodies were found,,, so it’s not hard to work out that they received info from the people that were arrested…
That will all come out later. These people need to be tried and the evidence needs to be kept untainted right now so they can sort it out and be prosecuted accordingly. First steps first. I’m sure we will eventually learn more as time goes on. We already can guess the motive, right?
That’s agent Sonya Garcia.. her body language and all tells me she is very serious about this case specifically and I hope she does get to the bottom of this and bring justice for these 2 young moms.. what happened to them is just evil. Who does that!! Who kills 2 unarmed moms like that.. I’m sure we will hear their car was ambushed.. probably forced them off the road ..
U know what them kids probably went through getting raised with them people!!!!! Where was welfare and srs. Nobody is looking after our children. But this is a bad world for some unborn and kids today. Prayers for the family
He went into a Court-Ordered Mandatory Drug Treatment Facility Five Hours Away approximately 5 days before the killings, and will be there for 30 days. He’s there right now.
By the 10th _WE CANT GET INTO THAT RIGHT NOW_ _WE CANNOT CONFIRM THAT RIGHT NOW_ I WAS CRYING and ROLLING ON THE COUCH🤣😂🤣omg…He keeps saying it as I’m writing. Please staaaaahp!
There is no such thing as “closure” when you lose family to a murder! Need to use a different word if there even one! Prayers for the families that there loved ones we’re MURDERED! Senseless!
What judge & OR prosecutor had the brilliant idea to meet in the middle of nowhere. With another female. they're not allowrd to carry weapons. So who had blood on their hands
DID YOU FIND THEM??? Oh, they found two bodies but they are not releasing who they are. But they aren’t looking any more so I guess the bodies were who they were looking for.where are the children?
They're dotting their ''i's" and crossing their ''t's" --- that's why it took so long to get any info. The LAST thing you want to do in cases like this is botch how you deal with the media, give the perpetrators a heads up so they can run, or give the defense attorney that's going to handle this case any ammunition. The kids are with a relative.
The judge that gave those kids to the grandma should lose their law license.....how on Gods green earth did she get those kids.
Makes one wonder what the mom did for the grandmother to be the better placement for those kids 🤷🏻♀️
The mom also had substance abuse issues just like the dad. She also allowed her children to be around her brother who was a registered sex offender. Which was the primary reason, although I have yet to see any proof that her children were assaulted in any way by him.
I’m not trying to be nasty, but I am inclined to believe that your type of thought process is part of a slow deterioration of this country is critical thinking. In many ways it’s faster erosion too. I could expand on the reasons but most people don’t like to be told when they’re wrong. But I just can’t help but pointing out one point, and that is that I’m wondering if you would make the same comment had he given the kids to the mother and something bad happened to the key. It feels like it’s kind of damned if you do and damned if you don’t. When you hold them up to needing to be perfect, then you constantly feel like you’ve been let down. Once we have a crystal ball available then judges will be perfect. Who knows if the judge made the right decision or not based on the information available then.
I’m not trying to be nasty, but I am inclined to believe that your type of thought process is part of a slow deterioration of this country’s analyzing skills/ability. In many ways it’s faster erosion too. I could expand on the reasons but most people don’t like to be told when they’re wrong. But I just can’t help but pointing out one point, and that is that I’m wondering if you would make the same comment had he given the kids to the mother and something bad happened to the key. It feels like it’s kind of damned if you do and damned if you don’t. When you hold them up to needing to be perfect, then you constantly feel like you’ve been let down. Once we have a crystal ball available then judges will be perfect. Who knows if the judge made the right decision or not based on the information available then.
Our family court system is over worked and under staffed so it's not surprising that the judge gave grandma custody, as she was a land owner and established citizen. So many children go through our courts due to the level of drugs in our communities.....so sad 😢
😢Thank you officers & investigators for everything you did.🙏🏼
I know law enforcement did all they could to find these women right away. 😢😢 RIP. Didn't deserve this.
God bless every person in uniform for your selfless efforts. Hearts are broken for the families, communities and children who lost their mamas 💔 Praying for all
so sad, 2 moms were murdered. justice for them rip girlfriends.
Thank you to the whole team of investigators and officers involved in this case. We are always looking at the mistakes and negligence of our law enforcement; so I’d like to take this opportunity to praise these men and women on doing an amazing job and bringing justice for the victims and their loved ones.
I just can't stand how officials have to congratulate themselves for most of the news conferences. The Children NEVER should have been given to that woman so they've been in harms way for quite some time.
And that’s what it was; nothing more than self congratulation.
Right! That woman's a B! Good for nothing.😮
Well said...taking more time to take congrats than provide meaningful information. Like politicians instead of good old detectives that show some emotion and tell you what really happened without every fact being necessary to withhold so as to protect the investigation.
I know right ,, it’s the same everytime ,,, they want a pat on the back for doing THEIR JOB ,,,
Because they can’t say anything else. They can’t talk about what happened. He’s thanked family and everyone who’s helped. This is a formality at every big case. They are all the same.
Great work by everyone involved in the apprehension of the panhandle 4. May Veronica & Jillian and their families receive justice.
Prayers for innocents , especially children. 🙏🌸🙏🌸🙏
GREAT! investigation by professional LE, all agencies involved. Thank you.
Very professional at every level. Impressive.
So so sad😢....May they Rest in Peace 🕊️🕊️❤❤
Kansas was right on it! Thank You! Mothers murdered just because they wanted to be with their children. How shameful.
I appreciate all the efforts from all law enforcement in investigating this tragic event. This is a nightmare for the both families of deceased individuals, the city of Houghton, Ks, and everyone who were friends of the two deceased individuals....I will await the trial of the perpetrators and hope justice will be done for the families, friends, the city of Houghton and the victims of this horrific crime.
👍🏻⚖️⚖️⚖️Thank you all first responders for all you have done for these women and children's family.
Thank you for the good and respectful partnering with so many agencies and the families and communities. God bless you all. Thank you!!
Thank God they were found. Justice for the women and their children. Heartbreaking.
🙏🙏🙏 FOR all involved and justice will be served 🙏❤🙏
Sending love & condolences to the families of the 2 beautiful mothers……I am so so sorry 😢😢May you find comfort in the love of each other & RIP Veronica & Jillian 😇😇❤️🙏
I will say. All of you bless your people you did a wonderful job ❤
EXCELLENT job to all who handled this case and the rest who helped. It was solved unbelievably fast! Good team work! Now we need justice for the families. So very sad and tragic.
So sad 😢
Thank you all for acting so quickly to solve this!
The next time someone says the FBI isn’t needed, remember these cases. I’m so sad for the families of these women.
My Brother, It would be So Beautiful if The FBI would stick to cases like this. If they actually did that, OBVIOUSLY, no one would have ANY PROBLEM with them.
But, unfortunately, that’s not Reality.
In Reality, The FBI knew FOR SURE by January 2017 that Russian Collusion with The Trump Campaign was FALSE, yet they allowed This False Narrative to continue for 2+ years.
Emails released in late 2019 revealed that FBI Agents went to England in January 2017, and interviewed The Primary Source of The Steele Dossier and learned: He didn’t have any FIRST-HAND EVIDENCE of anything.
What he told the FBI is he was at a bar in Moscow, and some acquaintances who worked at a Hotel told him that they knew of a videotape of some weird things that happened with Trump in a hotel room.
They could never track down these people, and could never confirm the existence of this videotape.
They knew all this in January 2017, yet continued to obtain FISA Warrants, even though they knew the “Evidence” used to get these Warrants was Non-Existent.
Imagine DIVERTING the VALUABLE RESOURCES of The FBI to CARRY ON a Politicized WITCH HUNT against someone They Hated, when those RESOURCES were designed to INVESTIGATE cases like this one -- These Two Kansas Moms.
This FALSE RUSSIAN COLLUSION “Investigation” does nothing but Plant Seeds of DISTRUST in The FBI.
In addition, using The Power of The FBI to raid the home of a man who was PRAYING in front of an Abortion Clinic also CREATES ANIMOSITY toward The FBI.
The Raid they conducted of that Father matched the Raids of These 4 Murderers.
Later, all charges were DROPPED against the Father, because The Case was BOGUS from the start.
The FBI has EARNED The Distrust it currently is enduring.
This case is just so awful and heartbreaking 💔 😢
Why have these press conferences when you don't provide any updates beyond what the public already knows and won't answer basic questions I hear the press asking like they should? And don't give me we have to protect the investigation for some of the questions. They seem like a bunch of politicians to me. If it turns out the two were held for a few days, that really changes things as to the success of the investigation.
LE,FBI and Highway patrol great work. RIP to these to Women.
RIP Jillian and Veronica
💔💔💔💔💔 So very tragic...
Did anyone warn those women to meet in a public spot for their safety ???? 😢😢😢😢
I believe Grandma changed location. Course Grandma actually planned the murders.
🌺Rest In Peace🌺
Thank you to the law-enforcement and all those who helped find these women. May they rest in peace sending prayers to their family and their children.
Marrying into that evil family and having children with that son was the worst thing Veronica could have done. Maybe there aren’t many good options out there.
So sad:0( may they rip
I thought they weren't sure yet.😢
@pamferguson2605 I am not 100% sure if they have been identified by a next of kin...but I think they are pretty sure or they wouldn't if said.. imo.. just what I've seen n read
Rest in heaven, ladies
That was a waste of time. First half of video was just admins getting their faces out there. Last half, they didn’t release any new info.
Thank you LE
But they didn’t find the bodies before the arrests ,,, and it was posted by family that the women were deceased before the bodies were found,,, so it’s not hard to work out that they received info from the people that were arrested…
Wtf nobody gave any.info beeides a introduction with telling what we already know. Whos been arrested? What was the motive?
That will all come out later. These people need to be tried and the evidence needs to be kept untainted right now so they can sort it out and be prosecuted accordingly. First steps first. I’m sure we will eventually learn more as time goes on. We already can guess the motive, right?
We know who was arrested and can pretty much know why. Child custody
Excellent investigation!!!
👏👏👏
I pray for these families and the 7 children that lost their mothers. Pray for justice
That’s agent Sonya Garcia.. her body language and all tells me she is very serious about this case specifically and I hope she does get to the bottom of this and bring justice for these 2 young moms.. what happened to them is just evil. Who does that!! Who kills 2 unarmed moms like that.. I’m sure we will hear their car was ambushed.. probably forced them off the road ..
Condolences for the family and friends of the victims 🙏🙏🙏
I sure wish yall would get involved with Sébastien Rogers case .
Sorry for your loss
If I were those women I would’ve never gone without strong-armed support….sounded dangerous from the start
PRAYERS FROM MICHIGAN!
The Panhandle Four. The jokes will write themselves for this bunch of trash.
I'm so sick of these law enforcement thanking themselves for most of the news conference. Put that in the paper. Get to the point!
Great job.but sad for families😢❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
This is so sad
So tragic. Devil grandma and her troupe
U know what them kids probably went through getting raised with them people!!!!! Where was welfare and srs. Nobody is looking after our children. But this is a bad world for some unborn and kids today. Prayers for the family
Im blown away people upset that law was thanking each other well who did all that work
And the 4 ppl went about their business as usual. Wow😢
So sad
where is the father of the kids?
He went into a Court-Ordered Mandatory Drug Treatment Facility Five Hours Away approximately 5 days before the killings, and will be there for 30 days. He’s there right now.
Its unusual to not disclose where the bodies were found. There just werent really any answers to questions in this interview
By the 10th _WE CANT GET INTO THAT RIGHT NOW_
_WE CANNOT CONFIRM THAT RIGHT NOW_
I WAS CRYING and ROLLING ON THE COUCH🤣😂🤣omg…He keeps saying it as I’m writing. Please staaaaahp!
There is no such thing as “closure” when you lose family to a murder! Need to use a different word if there even one! Prayers for the families that there loved ones we’re MURDERED! Senseless!
These people spent more time talking about law enforcement than anything else. Please tell us about these poor women.
So where are their bodies?
Unplug your ears
They clearly said they were transported to the medical examiner’s office
So sad. What is wrong with people these days
😢
🙏🏾❤
What judge & OR prosecutor had the brilliant idea to meet in the middle of nowhere. With another female. they're not allowrd to carry weapons. So who had blood on their hands
Over 5 minutes at the beginning of this video is law enforcement patting each other on the back. You did your job...yay.
The DA thanked corporate America.... Lol. Wha
I got what he was saying but it seemed strange lol
DID YOU FIND THEM???
Oh, they found two bodies but they are not releasing who they are. But they aren’t looking any more so I guess the bodies were who they were looking for.where are the children?
They're dotting their ''i's" and crossing their ''t's" --- that's why it took so long to get any info. The LAST thing you want to do in cases like this is botch how you deal with the media, give the perpetrators a heads up so they can run, or give the defense attorney that's going to handle this case any ammunition. The kids are with a relative.
“Th Panhandle 4”?!
Blah blah blah get to the story of what happened.
😁💄🐾
Why do this.? Seems to be a pat on the back for doing their job 🤷🏼♀️😒
Oof, that public affairs guy 🥵