Always was a fan of Vectivus, his quest for knowledge and emotional attachments honestly made him a fierce sith, even tho he never fought. Would be interesting to learn from a SIth that does no evil
@@DavisPickle2004 DID A ANIME HAD ONE A SAMURAI SITH,,ARE SIITH BAD..OR JEDI Are idiots . A FEMALE SITH OR THE MOTHER OF JEDI AND SITH SHE CREATED THE ORIGIN
Yeah. Of course the Jedi would simply see a Sith Lord and seek to eliminate him, and ultimately fail, since he could easily be one of the most dangerous Sith Lords, due to his extensive knowledge of the Dark Side of the Force
Sidious: Did you ever hear the story of Darth Vectivus The Kind? Anakin: No.. Sidious: I thought not. It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith Legend. Darth Vectivus was a dark lord of the Sith, so powerful and so kind, he could use the Force to create Dark Side Phantom Ghosts, becoming a Dark Side Force Ghost and be the only Sith able to demonstrate kindness. He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying by just being curious about the dark side of the force and not being corrupted. Anakin: Phantom Ghosts? It is possible to learn this power? Sidious: Not from a Jedi...
What happened to him? Unfortunately he died of old age. Ironic. He spent his whole life learning to dominate the universe and then had no time left over to do so.
@@sirdk1234 The Crusader point which i hear all the time for arguments, no, they weren't evil, they were mislead, their entire understanding of the world was warped. If you or I were raised the exact same way we would have done the same thing. This disconnect and judgement of the past is from a very comfortable position in the present. Take all the good people you know, even yourself and throw them into a world with a 70% infant mortality rate, famine, and plague and you would be surprised what you would be capable of, despite having the current eras "enlightenment". People judge the past from a very comfortable place.
@@terryflopycow2231 Plus if memory serves me right, predating the Separatist and Republic conflict, there had been a number of “Dark Jedi” still serving the order. I believe generally most view them as Exiled Jedi or Fallen Jedi, but I could’ve sworn at some point some years ago I had seen mention that some had existed within the Jedi Order. Either way though, a moral dark side user, or rather the spirit of one, would’ve certainly been interesting for Ezra and Kanan to encounter.
@@hiddendesire3076 If they added the dark jedi to the current story they would need to have some kind of downside too otherwise they would just be too overpowered imo. The jedi control themselves but don't have access to all the potential power of the force while sith control the power but lose themselves. There would need to be a price for a dark jedi, perhaps becoming a servant to the will of the force for many years after death.
In studying The Dark Side, but not becoming enslaved to it, I'd imagine Vectivus as being similar to one of the dark-side users of what The Jedi order was before it became corrupted by an imbalance of the light side and their own hubris.
“If you only care for yourself, you me day you’ll look up to see that you all alone.”~actual line from a fanfic. This is what made him and Marka Ragnos unique. Because unlike literally everyone else barring Darth Marr, they realized this valuable lesson is key to a long prosperous life, so they sought to be loved rather than feared. And in the end they did what no sith had ever done before or since… lived to not just die of natural causes, but actually live to see old age.
Vectivus was probably so well-liked and respected that even his own apprentice or successor did not want to kill him even though they are Banite Sith. The Sith was originally founded because of curiosity and a wish to delve deeper into the Force including the Dark Side. However, future Ancient Siths expanded their goals for galactic domination.
He was a force sensitive who lived with his emotions and didn’t let it control him much like dooku, but dooku was hell-bent on power. Many people are like this even mace window didn’t push his emotions out but he never let them control him either or corrupt him.
It's quite interesting that Darth vectivus took the path of studying the force and learning from it very much like the Jedi even though he was a dark lord of the Sith and the rule of two era and his legacy was not based off of destruction a typical legacy of a Sith Lord and I'm honestly surprised that he did not try to combine the teachings of the Jedi alongside the teachings of the Sith which were two different ideologies and I'm actually surprised that he was not considered a fool such as the sick Lord Darth millennial was considered for not agreeing with the tenants of the rule of two even though Darth vectavis did no evil I still consider him a stepping stone in the Sith grand plan somebody who would move the plan forward in order for another dark lord of the Sith to succeed him and to move it along leading to the rise of the empire
I like to image that instead of black, grey, and red robes he wore a red dress shirt, dark grey vest, a black suit, black pants, black dress shoes, topped off with a black hooded trench coat that goes down to either half of the shins, or his ankles. Along with the occasional black, red, or grey tie (sometimes with black red or grey stripes). And his appearance wears a similar outfit to his master. Fitting attire for a man that values knowledge, business, wealth, and success that cared for others than one that seeks power, greed, and control and who lives selfishly Also it makes sense the Jedi never encountered or even of him, as he is so far removed for what Sith are that there weren’t any signs or clues to follow or investigate.
Its not unheard of Sith ghosts being bound to places, artifacts or people... in fact it was quite common thing, but such Sith ghosts didnt have the "freedom" departed Jedi souls enjoyed. the only one Sith who became true "jedi" force Ghost was Darth Marr... and well - he died the most selfless death possible - (and was also at peace with dying if it was for the right cause - the cause being the Empire and its citizens). "Valkorion destroyed my flesh, but not my reason for being." and well - as he mentioned "There is no Death, there is only the Force... and It has a plan." (he hated passionately that Force was driving things certain way) Darth Marr was perhaps the only true patriot among Sith Order to idea of the Empire being more then tool of power.
Many of the post-Bane Sith Lords made similar reforms to their teachings. They realized that the old ways were what doomed the Sith of old, and sought to introduce Jedi selflessness and compassion into their teachings.
On note of sith doing no evil and in other videos arguing the empire ain't that bad. I been playing fallout new vegas and with all fallout games except 4 Ron Perlman narrates saying war...war never changes and from not just modern wars but all the wars in star wars it makes alot of sense Another point of whether the jedi or sith are good or bad it goes with a quote by Benny in New Vegas talking of the different factions and he explains both sides are going go tell you they are good and best for the Mojave and this is much like the jedi and sith both claim to be best and both are about control over territory just like the brotherhood of steel or the NCR or even the legion But as with endings of the the star wars movies and tv shows etc violence still remains and is always continuous because war...war never changes
They need to make a series about all these characters in the Star Wars universe, hour long episodes about the important and notable, as well as some others like Darth Vectivus, then split the episode between the light side and the dark side and have each episode tie each person or persons together, I would love to see something like that! So one episode would be how Han and Chewy met and the other half be Vader and have him searching for relics and then run into Han or whatever or have Vader meet up with someone else but have them all somehow tie together, any who, Great video! Love the channel! Watching in our frozen wonderland here in Alaska! Stay safe out there everyone!
This is legit a fantastic idea to expand on a concept (or bunch of concepts) that just... don't warrant a movie each, or a TV series each. Backstory without bloat, but... Fantastically produced, and with ability for expansion where the fanbase gives a shit.
I hope they'll introduce him into Star Wars canon one day, this just sounds so interesting maybe while trying to find some remnants of old Jedi culture, Luke or Ahsoka, or maybe even Ezra, stumbles upon Darth Vectivus's asteroid, and, as he seems to me like a Sith who would horde knowledge instead of conquest, maybe, in exchange for some form of new knowledge or favour, he would give them some Jedi artifacts he had obtained while he was traveling and learning the dark side. Like a Sith lord version of Wan Shi Tong from Avatar
What I always did not like about Star Wars was the clear division between "good" and "evil" (I just knew the movie stuff). Then I heard / read a bit about Revan and it really made the universe more interesting. And then Disney came along... Would be so much more interesting to see more variety than Sith = bad / Jedi = good.
It still sucks Revan's dark side fall is literally due to mind control. Kinda makes it less impactful than say Anakin who properly chose the dark side for himself.
Yes I heard of the tale of Darth Vectivus. Because I already saw this video years ago when it first came out. Because the video is re-cycled. So new fans can know about Darth Vectivus.
@@mung01re This is what most humans do, they repair their broken dna over and over until it gets so short that they die of organ failure. In a way, old age is torture. Isn't it?
Fun fact: way back in 2006, around the time the Legacy of the Force books were due to come out, there was a competition for readers to chose Jacen Solo's sith name, which was eventually chosen as Darth Caedus. I was pretty devastated that my choice didn't make it into the top 5... Until I read Betrayal and there it was: Darth Vectivus.
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Vectivus the peasant? He could have been a dark lord of Sith but he chose to live and die as a simple peasant, but even at that he failed. His consciousness remained in his palace, and the only thing he feared was that someone might nuke the palace, which of course eventually was the case. He could... live as peasant? Can this skill be learned? Not from a true Sith lord. You must contact the local jedi academy for that.
@@mariosmatzoros3553 Gold? Riches? A true Sith lord does not crave for such things. The true meaning of power is crushing your enemies, plunging your dark energy in their hearts and killing and subduing them, and to oppress the entire galaxy!
If you value your fortunes, it is ill advised to squander wealth. Now imagine if you will, The Dark Side and Life are faces of a single coin... -from Pg1. The Commerce of Power by Urza Vectivus
What I’m most curious about is why a Sith Lord took him as an apprentice to begin with if he had no great aspirations for personal power much less galactic domination which was the whole point of the Rule of Two. Even if he/she thought they could eventually get him on track with the Sith philosophy over time, why didn’t they kill him when it obviously didn’t work as he now represented an existential threat to the survival of the Sith? Or did they try and he was forced to kill them instead? If he didn’t truly follow the philosophy of the Sith, then was he truly one at all or just a Darth in name only?
Vectivus, didnt have as many openings to be killed off as other sith lords, unlike during the time of the old republic where thousands of sith roamed the galaxy. Plagueis for instance went down because of lowering his paranoia and trusting palpatine when drinking. assuming Vectivus doesnt want to be killed by his apprentice, or doesn't showcase any openings, there´s nothing the apprentice can do but wait for him to die of old age, this is actually addressed with Bane and Zannah, where Zannah was forced to fight Bane at his place and decision, simply because he attempted immortality, in her mind he had to be overthrown. If Vectivus attempted immortality he would've been overthrown.
@@grandinquisitor8335 He had a Sith Master though who obvious taught him enough to become a Dark Lord of the Sith, my question was why didn’t they try to kill him when it became clear he had no desire for pursuing the Sith grand plan much less adhering to their central tenets? I feel like the warning signs would have cropped up long before this and Sith Lords aren’t exactly the inclusive type when it comes to doctrinal differences. If apprentices are deemed wanting from an ideological or Force potential standpoint, they are ruthlessly disposed of or the attempt will be made to as in the case of Darth Plagueis by his master Tenebrous who believed Plagueis’ resistance to the Rule of Two ultimately made him unworthy of succeeding him as the new Dark Lord. It’s just left completely ambiguous how this state of affairs could come about without his Master trying to kill him. I can only conclude they clashed over philosophical differences one final time at which point his Master judged him a failure and attempted to end him. But Vectivus disagreed and likewise deemed his Master unworthy of lordship for failing to see the self destruction that would ultimately end the Sith if they refused to change. And Vectivus emerged triumphant. I’m going to speculate based on his mindset and history that he was more a unifying Force user than a true Dark Lord but simply chose to keep the Darth title both as a statement of the superiority of his personal philosophy and due to his dedicated training within the dark side.
@The Last Psychic Vampire Elder well the Sith were a race true and it’s what the Sith dark siders took their name from, but the species went extinct and live on only within the dark side order now.
Interesting, haven’t hear of Darth Vectivus before but he sure adds an interesting view to the force as being beyond good and evil. What is more interesting is that he only wanted to earn more rather than inflict pain like many other Siths
Again, I want to see this character depicted during The Old Republic. He would be a unique Force-user in The SWU. I wonder what a Holocron created by him would look like. If his essence were to show up in The Mandalorian Saga, or any film(s) taking place in the time after The ST, it would be fascinating and refreshing to see.
I think Lana Beniko was another Sith that did no evil. She was very loyal to the Sith empire and will do anything to defend it. But to my understanding she was willing to work with other Sith Lords and Jedi as long they didn’t pose a threat to the Sith Empire.
I had often wonder that if a Jedi could become a Sith, then would it be possible for the reverse to happen. While not a complete reverse happening here, it does follow the possiblity that a kind of Qui-Gon type would be among the Sith. Like how Qui-Gon was a Jedi but not entirely what the Jedi Council believed a Jedi should be.
This character makes no sense. If his Mastery of the Dark Side came from pure fascination... Why would he not be interested in learning Mastery over the Light Side as well? It is literally just _more power_ and energy to have and be fascinated by...
I don't think he's the only one... I remember hearing about a female Sith Lord of old who also sought knowledge from the Dark Side, but never did evil... I do not remember her name though. (This would have also been a legends sith)
Are you talking about LANA BENIKO in the old republic games? My understanding with her is she never did evil. More like a defender of the Sith empire. She was willing to work with other Sith Lords and Jedi as long as the Jedi didn’t threaten the empire.
There was also Vestara Khai…though admittedly she didn’t necessarily start out in the ways of “not evil”…she had to realize how much her father didn’t give a shit about her to stop trying to please him (and thus not harm innocents intentionally).
Maaaaaan why can we not have amazing shit like THIS in the movies!!!! Star Wars Is some of the most interesting fiction as long as you ignore the Disney Movies 😌.
It is impossible for a sith to become a force ghost....so they say. The council also said that it wasn't possible for ANYONE. Yet Qui Gon Gin (I probably butchered the spelling of his name) proved them wrong. Maybe Darth Vectivus proved them wrong...centuries before they knew it was possible at all for a Jedi. The sith code in of itself is not evil. Only the one following it and using the code as an excuse to commit evil. Dark side consumes but can be controlled as Vectivus shows us. Little is know about him yet he is my favorite character in Star Wars simply because he was a "good guy" and a Sith at the same time
This is something that I think makes the Sith so much more complex than simply "evil." The Sith, rather than being evil, use emotion to control the Force, yet not all emotion is negative. Joy, hope, and love are all emotions and "passions," the Sith can potentially call upon, they just aren't as easy to bring out as anger or fear. It's why Lucas's belief that the Sith are evil and there can be no grey area in the middle is really pretty awful. The introduction of entities like the Father and the Bendu are some of the additions that I think Disney actually did right
Understand that Disney was also the one who did that bloody kyber crystal bullshit. Originally, the only thing that made a kyber crystal red was the fact that it was artificially made as opposed to mined out... Now, shall I explain to you the negatives of excess mining?
@@DarkAdonisVyers Except they arent mined?? They are bled after being taken from a Jedi. If anything, it actually adds to lore of the Sith, as now that have an interesting initiation ritual in which they must kill a Jedi and claim their lightsaber
@@nathanlane6668 I get it. You're into the edgy bullshit. Originally, it was that red kyber crystals were artificial, while all other kyber crystals were mined out. My point is that originally and ironically, the Sith had a more environmentally friendly way of getting kyber crystals than Jedi.
What if he had a secret evil murderous side that nobody discovered? Like those nice normal people who turn out to be serial killers. Perhaps he's the sith equivalent of the Sav-A-Lot guy
Bane: the sith will inherit the galaxy, the power of the dark side is mine and mine alone, only one other my apprentice can look on in jealousy Vectivus: I like ghosts. Have you seen how you can do it let me show you...
I like to see that there really isn't a side to the force. The dark and light side is really just how one uses the force or the gift of being force sensitive.
Honestly, was looking up if there had ever been someone who used the darkside that hadn't been corrupted by evil. Was pleased to hear there was at least one story of such. Would be interesting to see how Jedi might have viewed him.
Although Darth Vectivus is definitely an interesting character, I would have liked a stronger reason for his dark side resistance than just "he had strong morals and a loving upbringing". Many other characters have also had these advantages and fell to the dark side. I feel like it lessens the dark side's inherent danger to have Vectivus resist it without an extraordinary reason.
@@sykune Didn't Luke fall to the dark side, even though his intention was to get close to the Emperor to defeat him? I remember from the comics that he actually did fall for awhile. That just shows how corrupting the dark side is, that even even the son of the chosen one can fall, despite having a clear goal, great support network, and the best of intentions.
@@Ketooey the comics maybe the books he walked a fine line and it was Han and Leia that kept him some what grounded but yes he did appear to fall at least to the point emperor beleived it.
I could see Jocasta Nu saying to Vectivus at the jedi library : You are NOT checking out the latest *DIY Fun Dark Side Experiments* until you return the 3 century overdue *Darth Plaguis The Wise: a Story The Jedi Will Tell You*
I think that the Sith actually have legitimacy to rule and the Jedi were meant to be a servant/bodyguard caste. The Sith just have a lot of competition and that’s the main thing that corrupts. They need a Sith to rule who doesn’t have the ambition for power
I came across another video about this same Sith Lord, and it mentions that along with his curiosity and observations (and some experimentations), that Darth Vectivus was also a wealthy business-minded person. So, I think that one of his titles could have been, "Darth Vectivus, The Businessman."
In the darkness, I find protection. Through protection, I find peace. Through peace, I seek knowledge Through knowledge, I master the force Through mastering the force, I transcend all existence
They said he did no evil but he persuaded officials to look the other way when it came to the darkness in his mine, but he did shut it down after finding out about the darkness and the safety of his workers, and when it was no longer profitable. And he was an unscrupulous businessman as well
Being a sith doesn't make you evil and evil and good are points of view! There is alot that the Jedi have done that can be considered evil! Some things the sith have done that are considered good
I wish they would do a miniseries on Darth Vectivus. I've always been fascinated with the philosophical viewpoints of the Sith. They are generally considered evil, but a lot of Sith philosophy actually does make sense. I always thought it was weird that the Sith have such a complex philosophy just to be written off as them all being evil. I don't agree with all of the Sith philosophy, but I do agree with a good portion of it.
A Sith is one who breaks one's chains and does what they want. That's what he wanted. By saying that "a Sith is this", it sounds like you're forcing them to wear chains.
Lumiya was probably lying to him! Any money that once Vectivus became a sith lord he was just a bad ass business man mining for sith artefacts. He was no more 'good' than Tenebrous as a businessman, his artefacts would have beenost to gravid
Knowledge is the greatest strength he can have power can easily corrupt people but being knowledgeable and finding inner peace in the light or the darkness I can’t say if it’s a good or bad thing but people should try to understand one another
He would be one scary opponent. Power of Sith and calmness of a Jedi.
And money of Hutt
The Sith of Wall Street
Always was a fan of Vectivus, his quest for knowledge and emotional attachments honestly made him a fierce sith, even tho he never fought. Would be interesting to learn from a SIth that does no evil
WHY NOT MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT HIM
A GOOD SITH
@@truthoftheuniverse4179 hell yeah
Actually i would really love to watch a star wars movie with a sith protagonist
@@DavisPickle2004 DID A ANIME HAD ONE
A SAMURAI SITH,,ARE SIITH BAD..OR JEDI Are idiots .
A FEMALE SITH
OR THE MOTHER OF JEDI AND SITH SHE CREATED THE ORIGIN
A good story whom deserve a movie , if only disney wasn't full of $....!
Yeah. Of course the Jedi would simply see a Sith Lord and seek to eliminate him, and ultimately fail, since he could easily be one of the most dangerous Sith Lords, due to his extensive knowledge of the Dark Side of the Force
Sidious: Did you ever hear the story of Darth Vectivus The Kind?
Anakin: No..
Sidious: I thought not. It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith Legend.
Darth Vectivus was a dark lord of the Sith, so powerful and so kind, he could use the Force to create Dark Side Phantom Ghosts, becoming a Dark Side Force Ghost and be the only Sith able to demonstrate kindness. He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying by just being curious about the dark side of the force and not being corrupted.
Anakin: Phantom Ghosts? It is possible to learn this power?
Sidious: Not from a Jedi...
What happened to him?
Unfortunately he died of old age. Ironic. He spent his whole life learning to dominate the universe and then had no time left over to do so.
Sidious: did you ever hear the story of darth vectivus?
Anakin: no
Sidious: it’s not a story the Jedi would tell you…nor the sith
@@JorgeSoto-el7ji They only like interesting stories.
@@u.v.s.5583 love this
I can legit see Anakin believe this story more than Darth Plagueis
You gotta respect a man with such strong character that even the Dark Side can't corrupt him.
True even the great and legendary luke was briefly turned until leia brought him back.
He was Sith Curious.
Si-curious surely, if you're going down that pun route?
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Lolololol
Same...
Im Je-di. 🤠
Sith doesn't imply evil, just using the force through emotion, could as easily be a righteous fury as opposed to a hateful one.
While I agree with you, The Crusaders also thought their righteous fury was correct. They don't wield the force though lol.
@@sirdk1234 The Crusader point which i hear all the time for arguments, no, they weren't evil, they were mislead, their entire understanding of the world was warped. If you or I were raised the exact same way we would have done the same thing. This disconnect and judgement of the past is from a very comfortable position in the present. Take all the good people you know, even yourself and throw them into a world with a 70% infant mortality rate, famine, and plague and you would be surprised what you would be capable of, despite having the current eras "enlightenment". People judge the past from a very comfortable place.
Abilities are not inherently good or evil it's how you use them
Basically, like the Red Lanterns?
@@obitwokenobi9808 hello there
Honestly i’m just picturing how Rebels would’ve gone if Ezra had encountered Darth Vectivus instead of Maul.
Good idea, Ezra seems open minded enough towards neutrality and even the darkness in the force, being self aware enough not to succumb to it
@@terryflopycow2231 Plus if memory serves me right, predating the Separatist and Republic conflict, there had been a number of “Dark Jedi” still serving the order. I believe generally most view them as Exiled Jedi or Fallen Jedi, but I could’ve sworn at some point some years ago I had seen mention that some had existed within the Jedi Order. Either way though, a moral dark side user, or rather the spirit of one, would’ve certainly been interesting for Ezra and Kanan to encounter.
@@hiddendesire3076 If they added the dark jedi to the current story they would need to have some kind of downside too otherwise they would just be too overpowered imo. The jedi control themselves but don't have access to all the potential power of the force while sith control the power but lose themselves. There would need to be a price for a dark jedi, perhaps becoming a servant to the will of the force for many years after death.
WHY NOT MAKE MAVIE ABOUT A GOOD SITH
But then Vectivus would have been changed alot,
In studying The Dark Side, but not becoming enslaved to it, I'd imagine Vectivus as being similar to one of the dark-side users of what The Jedi order was before it became corrupted by an imbalance of the light side and their own hubris.
I was just about comment the same thing
“If you only care for yourself, you me day you’ll look up to see that you all alone.”~actual line from a fanfic.
This is what made him and Marka Ragnos unique. Because unlike literally everyone else barring Darth Marr, they realized this valuable lesson is key to a long prosperous life, so they sought to be loved rather than feared. And in the end they did what no sith had ever done before or since… lived to not just die of natural causes, but actually live to see old age.
Vectivus was probably so well-liked and respected that even his own apprentice or successor did not want to kill him even though they are Banite Sith. The Sith was originally founded because of curiosity and a wish to delve deeper into the Force including the Dark Side. However, future Ancient Siths expanded their goals for galactic domination.
Either that, or he was just too powerful, so his apprentice never stood a chance.
Darth Vectivus' tale does sound interesting. A Sith that did no evil?
Not a tale you'd hear from any sith
He didn’t want power or authority. He just wanted to live life
Sith that knew the art of the deal
The art of seduction
He was a force sensitive who lived with his emotions and didn’t let it control him much like dooku, but dooku was hell-bent on power. Many people are like this even mace window didn’t push his emotions out but he never let them control him either or corrupt him.
It's quite interesting that Darth vectivus took the path of studying the force and learning from it very much like the Jedi even though he was a dark lord of the Sith and the rule of two era and his legacy was not based off of destruction a typical legacy of a Sith Lord and I'm honestly surprised that he did not try to combine the teachings of the Jedi alongside the teachings of the Sith which were two different ideologies and I'm actually surprised that he was not considered a fool such as the sick Lord Darth millennial was considered for not agreeing with the tenants of the rule of two even though Darth vectavis did no evil I still consider him a stepping stone in the Sith grand plan somebody who would move the plan forward in order for another dark lord of the Sith to succeed him and to move it along leading to the rise of the empire
Darth Gravid did try to combine them, but failed and went insane
I like to image that instead of black, grey, and red robes he wore a red dress shirt, dark grey vest, a black suit, black pants, black dress shoes, topped off with a black hooded trench coat that goes down to either half of the shins, or his ankles. Along with the occasional black, red, or grey tie (sometimes with black red or grey stripes). And his appearance wears a similar outfit to his master. Fitting attire for a man that values knowledge, business, wealth, and success that cared for others than one that seeks power, greed, and control and who lives selfishly
Also it makes sense the Jedi never encountered or even of him, as he is so far removed for what Sith are that there weren’t any signs or clues to follow or investigate.
I have never heard of Darth Vectivus until now. Sounds really interesting, especially the part of him essentially becoming a pseudo-force ghost.
Its not unheard of Sith ghosts being bound to places, artifacts or people... in fact it was quite common thing, but such Sith ghosts didnt have the "freedom" departed Jedi souls enjoyed.
the only one Sith who became true "jedi" force Ghost was Darth Marr... and well - he died the most selfless death possible - (and was also at peace with dying if it was for the right cause - the cause being the Empire and its citizens).
"Valkorion destroyed my flesh, but not my reason for being."
and well - as he mentioned "There is no Death, there is only the Force... and It has a plan." (he hated passionately that Force was driving things certain way)
Darth Marr was perhaps the only true patriot among Sith Order to idea of the Empire being more then tool of power.
in the old republic, you actually find evidence in the dark temple of sith who embraced the light, while being loyal to the sith
And if your playing a Grey or Light Sith, you can argue for it's study instead of destruction.
Well, it goes to show folks that the Sith aren't inherently evil, anymore than the Jedi aren't inherently good.
Like the Dark Jedi in Jedi Outcast.
In the words of old Luke that would be vanity
Many of the post-Bane Sith Lords made similar reforms to their teachings. They realized that the old ways were what doomed the Sith of old, and sought to introduce Jedi selflessness and compassion into their teachings.
On note of sith doing no evil and in other videos arguing the empire ain't that bad.
I been playing fallout new vegas and with all fallout games except 4 Ron Perlman narrates saying war...war never changes and from not just modern wars but all the wars in star wars it makes alot of sense
Another point of whether the jedi or sith are good or bad it goes with a quote by Benny in New Vegas talking of the different factions and he explains both sides are going go tell you they are good and best for the Mojave and this is much like the jedi and sith both claim to be best and both are about control over territory just like the brotherhood of steel or the NCR or even the legion
But as with endings of the the star wars movies and tv shows etc violence still remains and is always continuous because war...war never changes
They need to make a series about all these characters in the Star Wars universe, hour long episodes about the important and notable, as well as some others like Darth Vectivus, then split the episode between the light side and the dark side and have each episode tie each person or persons together, I would love to see something like that! So one episode would be how Han and Chewy met and the other half be Vader and have him searching for relics and then run into Han or whatever or have Vader meet up with someone else but have them all somehow tie together, any who, Great video! Love the channel! Watching in our frozen wonderland here in Alaska! Stay safe out there everyone!
This is legit a fantastic idea to expand on a concept (or bunch of concepts) that just... don't warrant a movie each, or a TV series each. Backstory without bloat, but... Fantastically produced, and with ability for expansion where the fanbase gives a shit.
The Acolyte may grant your wish, as I hope
Yes but then survert expectations and turn vectivus into a good guy who wasnt a Sith to begin with and was just a LARPer
@@manofcopper9283 no.
I hope they'll introduce him into Star Wars canon one day, this just sounds so interesting
maybe while trying to find some remnants of old Jedi culture, Luke or Ahsoka, or maybe even Ezra, stumbles upon Darth Vectivus's asteroid, and, as he seems to me like a Sith who would horde knowledge instead of conquest, maybe, in exchange for some form of new knowledge or favour, he would give them some Jedi artifacts he had obtained while he was traveling and learning the dark side. Like a Sith lord version of Wan Shi Tong from Avatar
Disney is not canon.
When the sith lord is also a land lord.
What I always did not like about Star Wars was the clear division between "good" and "evil" (I just knew the movie stuff). Then I heard / read a bit about Revan and it really made the universe more interesting. And then Disney came along... Would be so much more interesting to see more variety than Sith = bad / Jedi = good.
Well, I guess we so have Star Wars Visions I guess lol
It still sucks Revan's dark side fall is literally due to mind control. Kinda makes it less impactful than say Anakin who properly chose the dark side for himself.
Sith: YOUR SUPPOSED TO COVET POWER AND BE A LUNATIC!
Vectivus: Haha, Dark Side go brrrrrrrr.
I mean, he still amasses power. He just does it in a smart and stable way.
You would have to be pretty badass to not be corrupted by the darkside as a darkside user
So would this mean he would be a "Grey Sith"?
Light Sith is more like it.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 Sith Lite(TM): All the power of the Dark Side, none of the guilt!
I'd like to see more on Darth Vectivus, sounds like a cool and interesting guy!
Yes I heard of the tale of Darth Vectivus. Because I already saw this video years ago when it first came out. Because the video is re-cycled. So new fans can know about Darth Vectivus.
Actually Darth Plagueis the Wise didn't do that much evil either, when you look at the potential for evil that he had.
rofl someone forgot about Plagueis killing and resurrecting Venamis' midichlorians so many times he eventually died from torture and organ failure.
Bruh. Have you even read his book?
@@mung01re This is what most humans do, they repair their broken dna over and over until it gets so short that they die of organ failure. In a way, old age is torture. Isn't it?
Plagueis did evil, he make the original plan and connections to rule over the galaxy, is just that his aprentice was far more evil and inteligent.
Siths be like
_Average Power Fan_
Vs
*Average Wisdom Enjoyer*
Vectivus would be an interesting character to cinema and games. Since he differed quite a bit.
The spirit of Vectivus for the rest of us! Great job 👍
Good idea. I hope someone at Disney watches this. Finding a Vectivius holocron would be a good way of introducing him into Star Wars canon.
Fun fact: way back in 2006, around the time the Legacy of the Force books were due to come out, there was a competition for readers to chose Jacen Solo's sith name, which was eventually chosen as Darth Caedus. I was pretty devastated that my choice didn't make it into the top 5... Until I read Betrayal and there it was: Darth Vectivus.
Bs lol
Nice
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Vectivus the peasant? He could have been a dark lord of Sith but he chose to live and die as a simple peasant, but even at that he failed. His consciousness remained in his palace, and the only thing he feared was that someone might nuke the palace, which of course eventually was the case.
He could... live as peasant? Can this skill be learned?
Not from a true Sith lord. You must contact the local jedi academy for that.
@Logan The Mad Philosopher *picks the holocron and started training*
A peasant? He was richer than any force user...
@@mariosmatzoros3553 Gold? Riches? A true Sith lord does not crave for such things. The true meaning of power is crushing your enemies, plunging your dark energy in their hearts and killing and subduing them, and to oppress the entire galaxy!
@@adaman.shr.3538 walks up
Darth Vectivus & Darth Marr, Two Sith Lords that are actually pretty cool.
If you value your fortunes, it is ill advised to squander wealth. Now imagine if you will, The Dark Side and Life are faces of a single coin...
-from Pg1. The Commerce of Power by Urza Vectivus
What I’m most curious about is why a Sith Lord took him as an apprentice to begin with if he had no great aspirations for personal power much less galactic domination which was the whole point of the Rule of Two.
Even if he/she thought they could eventually get him on track with the Sith philosophy over time, why didn’t they kill him when it obviously didn’t work as he now represented an existential threat to the survival of the Sith? Or did they try and he was forced to kill them instead?
If he didn’t truly follow the philosophy of the Sith, then was he truly one at all or just a Darth in name only?
Vectivus, didnt have as many openings to be killed off as other sith lords, unlike during the time of the old republic where thousands of sith roamed the galaxy. Plagueis for instance went down because of lowering his paranoia and trusting palpatine when drinking.
assuming Vectivus doesnt want to be killed by his apprentice, or doesn't showcase any openings, there´s nothing the apprentice can do but wait for him to die of old age, this is actually addressed with Bane and Zannah, where Zannah was forced to fight Bane at his place and decision, simply because he attempted immortality, in her mind he had to be overthrown. If Vectivus attempted immortality he would've been overthrown.
@@grandinquisitor8335 He is talking of the Sith who took him as an apprentice, not the apprentice of Vectivus.
@@grandinquisitor8335 He had a Sith Master though who obvious taught him enough to become a Dark Lord of the Sith, my question was why didn’t they try to kill him when it became clear he had no desire for pursuing the Sith grand plan much less adhering to their central tenets?
I feel like the warning signs would have cropped up long before this and Sith Lords aren’t exactly the inclusive type when it comes to doctrinal differences. If apprentices are deemed wanting from an ideological or Force potential standpoint, they are ruthlessly disposed of or the attempt will be made to as in the case of Darth Plagueis by his master Tenebrous who believed Plagueis’ resistance to the Rule of Two ultimately made him unworthy of succeeding him as the new Dark Lord.
It’s just left completely ambiguous how this state of affairs could come about without his Master trying to kill him.
I can only conclude they clashed over philosophical differences one final time at which point his Master judged him a failure and attempted to end him. But Vectivus disagreed and likewise deemed his Master unworthy of lordship for failing to see the self destruction that would ultimately end the Sith if they refused to change.
And Vectivus emerged triumphant. I’m going to speculate based on his mindset and history that he was more a unifying Force user than a true Dark Lord but simply chose to keep the Darth title both as a statement of the superiority of his personal philosophy and due to his dedicated training within the dark side.
@The Last Psychic Vampire Elder well the Sith were a race true and it’s what the Sith dark siders took their name from, but the species went extinct and live on only within the dark side order now.
How powerful would bounty hunter Durge be or how much more powerful would he be if his midichlorian count was at The Skywalker blood scaling?
You know the mere idea that a site like this exists is extremely interesting and I can’t stop thinking about it.
The thirst for knowledge would be a buffer between The Dark Side and the thirst for unlimited power.
Interesting, haven’t hear of Darth Vectivus before but he sure adds an interesting view to the force as being beyond good and evil. What is more interesting is that he only wanted to earn more rather than inflict pain like many other Siths
Again, I want to see this character depicted during The Old Republic. He would be a unique Force-user in The SWU. I wonder what a Holocron created by him would look like. If his essence were to show up in The Mandalorian Saga, or any film(s) taking place in the time after The ST, it would be fascinating and refreshing to see.
Darth Vectivus: "Get that bag bitches lol"
Fascinating Character. They should develop him further to show that following evil is a choice.
No to be honest with you have never heard of this character up until now. I am very intrigued ,most intrigued. Thanks for this video my friend
I think Lana Beniko was another Sith that did no evil. She was very loyal to the Sith empire and will do anything to defend it. But to my understanding she was willing to work with other Sith Lords and Jedi as long they didn’t pose a threat to the Sith Empire.
I think it would be awesome if they made a movie or TV series on that sith to show that not all sith are evil and have heard of him before
When typical doesn't work, you do the least obvious- Darth Vectivus motto
Vectivus proved that capitalism is stronger than the Dark Side…
No just no
The Darkside. Or as I call it. Socialism
@@Chris-yy5pj dude stop, I'm not trying to start a debate here
Why pierce lightning bolts and lightsabers into entities that can become your true and faithful customers?
Capitalist side of the force vs Communist Side of the force
I had often wonder that if a Jedi could become a Sith, then would it be possible for the reverse to happen. While not a complete reverse happening here, it does follow the possiblity that a kind of Qui-Gon type would be among the Sith. Like how Qui-Gon was a Jedi but not entirely what the Jedi Council believed a Jedi should be.
What still kills me is how sidious couldn't sense him
Can push Vader through multiple walls then resorts to lightsaber fight.
Dude… just eject him out into space.
This character makes no sense. If his Mastery of the Dark Side came from pure fascination... Why would he not be interested in learning Mastery over the Light Side as well? It is literally just _more power_ and energy to have and be fascinated by...
I don't think he's the only one... I remember hearing about a female Sith Lord of old who also sought knowledge from the Dark Side, but never did evil... I do not remember her name though. (This would have also been a legends sith)
There was?
Are you talking about LANA BENIKO in the old republic games? My understanding with her is she never did evil. More like a defender of the Sith empire. She was willing to work with other Sith Lords and Jedi as long as the Jedi didn’t threaten the empire.
There was also Vestara Khai…though admittedly she didn’t necessarily start out in the ways of “not evil”…she had to realize how much her father didn’t give a shit about her to stop trying to please him (and thus not harm innocents intentionally).
Maybe Vectivus somehow reached out to qui-Gon as they both seemed very in tuned with both sides of the force
Neither of them used both sides.
Maaaaaan why can we not have amazing shit like THIS in the movies!!!! Star Wars Is some of the most interesting fiction as long as you ignore the Disney Movies 😌.
indeed
It is impossible for a sith to become a force ghost....so they say. The council also said that it wasn't possible for ANYONE. Yet Qui Gon Gin (I probably butchered the spelling of his name) proved them wrong. Maybe Darth Vectivus proved them wrong...centuries before they knew it was possible at all for a Jedi. The sith code in of itself is not evil. Only the one following it and using the code as an excuse to commit evil. Dark side consumes but can be controlled as Vectivus shows us. Little is know about him yet he is my favorite character in Star Wars simply because he was a "good guy" and a Sith at the same time
This is something that I think makes the Sith so much more complex than simply "evil." The Sith, rather than being evil, use emotion to control the Force, yet not all emotion is negative. Joy, hope, and love are all emotions and "passions," the Sith can potentially call upon, they just aren't as easy to bring out as anger or fear. It's why Lucas's belief that the Sith are evil and there can be no grey area in the middle is really pretty awful. The introduction of entities like the Father and the Bendu are some of the additions that I think Disney actually did right
Understand that Disney was also the one who did that bloody kyber crystal bullshit. Originally, the only thing that made a kyber crystal red was the fact that it was artificially made as opposed to mined out... Now, shall I explain to you the negatives of excess mining?
@@DarkAdonisVyers Except they arent mined?? They are bled after being taken from a Jedi. If anything, it actually adds to lore of the Sith, as now that have an interesting initiation ritual in which they must kill a Jedi and claim their lightsaber
@@nathanlane6668 I get it. You're into the edgy bullshit. Originally, it was that red kyber crystals were artificial, while all other kyber crystals were mined out. My point is that originally and ironically, the Sith had a more environmentally friendly way of getting kyber crystals than Jedi.
@@DarkAdonisVyersHonestly, both ideas work.
One for aggressive Sith one for Passive
Darth Vectivis would make a good anthology series for disney plus if he was Canon especially if they added more to his character backstory
What if he had a secret evil murderous side that nobody discovered? Like those nice normal people who turn out to be serial killers. Perhaps he's the sith equivalent of the Sav-A-Lot guy
Honestly I think that would just take away from his character
He rules over the entire galaxy right now. He is the primary cause of death, he is the old age itself!
Bane: the sith will inherit the galaxy, the power of the dark side is mine and mine alone, only one other my apprentice can look on in jealousy
Vectivus: I like ghosts. Have you seen how you can do it let me show you...
He was known as Biggus Vectivus (you have to have seen 'Life of Brian' to get that one).
He was one of the only Sith who knew how to "Look on the bright side of Life"......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So, he was basically a professor of the Dark Side. Interesting.
I like to see that there really isn't a side to the force. The dark and light side is really just how one uses the force or the gift of being force sensitive.
So he is like your regular neighbor metalhead: curious, studying and practicing heavy metal music, yet sociable.
Darth Sidious: conquers the known galaxy
Darth Vectivus: conquers the galactic stock market
*Who is the stronger one here?*
I always thought that both the light and dark side of the force only magnified what is already in you.
Thanks for the vid and introducing me to this new character!
so this was a true Je'Di....the first, since ancient times.......he was both "light" and "dark".....i love it
Honestly, was looking up if there had ever been someone who used the darkside that hadn't been corrupted by evil.
Was pleased to hear there was at least one story of such. Would be interesting to see how Jedi might have viewed him.
Thank you for giving more insight on this character 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Although Darth Vectivus is definitely an interesting character, I would have liked a stronger reason for his dark side resistance than just "he had strong morals and a loving upbringing". Many other characters have also had these advantages and fell to the dark side. I feel like it lessens the dark side's inherent danger to have Vectivus resist it without an extraordinary reason.
Perhaps it's not the dark side that's dangerous, but the sentient mind.
He had a good support system as did luke in legends when went to the darkside to learn of it.
@@sykune Didn't Luke fall to the dark side, even though his intention was to get close to the Emperor to defeat him? I remember from the comics that he actually did fall for awhile. That just shows how corrupting the dark side is, that even even the son of the chosen one can fall, despite having a clear goal, great support network, and the best of intentions.
@@Ketooey the comics maybe the books he walked a fine line and it was Han and Leia that kept him some what grounded but yes he did appear to fall at least to the point emperor beleived it.
You already posted about Darth Vectivus!!!
yeah, Stupendous Wave recycles videos all the time. I guess he is just lazy.
@@jessberings5862 And before, he says a lot of quotes from whatever he's talking about, practically to the point of plagiarism.
@@storozhevoy75 Yeah he already showed this video before. He probably re-cycle the video. So the video can gather attention.
I consume starwars lore like darth nihilus and this was an awesome first find! Thank you!!
Has there been any new Legends material since Darth Disney got their grubby mitts on Lucasfilm?
Darth Vectivus was much wiser than Plagueis.
I remember hearing in the Old Republic MMO, from Darth Zash: "Few Sith see 50."
Good morning, thank you for making this interesting vid. I was wondering if this story was followed with any novels or graphic novels. Thanks again.
Define Evil, Sith doesn't have to be bad at all. They simply strive for power at all cost.
Ever heard the legend of Darth Vectivus the Boring?
I could see Jocasta Nu saying to Vectivus at the jedi library : You are NOT checking out the latest *DIY Fun Dark Side Experiments* until you return the 3 century overdue *Darth Plaguis The Wise: a Story The Jedi Will Tell You*
Vectivus:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
I think that the Sith actually have legitimacy to rule and the Jedi were meant to be a servant/bodyguard caste. The Sith just have a lot of competition and that’s the main thing that corrupts. They need a Sith to rule who doesn’t have the ambition for power
yes
I came across another video about this same Sith Lord, and it mentions that along with his curiosity and observations (and some experimentations), that Darth Vectivus was also a wealthy business-minded person. So, I think that one of his titles could have been, "Darth Vectivus, The Businessman."
This is outrageous.
In the darkness, I find protection.
Through protection, I find peace.
Through peace, I seek knowledge
Through knowledge, I master the force
Through mastering the force, I transcend all existence
*Vectivist (Alive):* Studying 📝
*Vectivist (After Death):* Studying 📝
*Vectivist (After Resurrection):* Studying 📝
*Vectivist (After 2nd Death):* ... Studying 📝
lol
They said he did no evil but he persuaded officials to look the other way when it came to the darkness in his mine, but he did shut it down after finding out about the darkness and the safety of his workers, and when it was no longer profitable. And he was an unscrupulous businessman as well
Being a sith doesn't make you evil and evil and good are points of view! There is alot that the Jedi have done that can be considered evil! Some things the sith have done that are considered good
Darth Vectivus the Benign
They should do a movie about him
I wish they would do a miniseries on Darth Vectivus. I've always been fascinated with the philosophical viewpoints of the Sith. They are generally considered evil, but a lot of Sith philosophy actually does make sense. I always thought it was weird that the Sith have such a complex philosophy just to be written off as them all being evil. I don't agree with all of the Sith philosophy, but I do agree with a good portion of it.
i love that this guy existed...it proves the dark side is not evil.
A sith he was not. A scholar of the dark arts he was. Words defined by actions they are.
A Sith is one who breaks one's chains and does what they want. That's what he wanted. By saying that "a Sith is this", it sounds like you're forcing them to wear chains.
Lumiya was probably lying to him! Any money that once Vectivus became a sith lord he was just a bad ass business man mining for sith artefacts. He was no more 'good' than Tenebrous as a businessman, his artefacts would have beenost to gravid
Knowledge is the greatest strength he can have power can easily corrupt people but being knowledgeable and finding inner peace in the light or the darkness I can’t say if it’s a good or bad thing but people should try to understand one another
I guess the truth depends greatly on your point of view.