Comparing 12 New Gamboge Watercolors Part 2 - Colossal Color Showdown S3, Ep. 16
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- In the sixteenth episode of Colossal Color Showdown Season 3, we are continuing to take a look at 12 New Gamboge watercolors - in terms of salt test, how it looks on cotton paper, gradation, and color mixes including tinting strength.
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Colors tested in this episode:
+ Daniel Smith New Gamboge PY97, PY110
Jacksons: bit.ly/3vOGCLg Amazon US: amzn.to/3khSa4A
+ Holbein Gamboge Nova PY154, PY150, PY110
Jacksons: bit.ly/3kcZ2jD Amazon US: amzn.to/3vmxRcy
+ Winsor & Newton New Gamboge PR209, PY150
Jacksons: bit.ly/3tqcSmW Amazon US: amzn.to/3vu9OZj
+ QoR Permanent Gamboge PY42, PV19, PY150
Jacksons: bit.ly/3iWVQZo Amazon US: amzn.to/3EQGUW9
+ M. Graham Gamboge PY151, PO62
Jacksons: bit.ly/30CosRp Amazon US: amzn.to/3kn02kY
+ Mission Gold Gamboge PY154, PO73, PBr7
Jacksons: bit.ly/3rQLv5m Amazon US: amzn.to/3EPfccp
+ Daler Rowney Gamboge (Hue) PY3, PY153
Jacksons: bit.ly/3MzMXB3
+ Rembrandt Gamboge PY150, PO48
Jacksons: bit.ly/3vkFHDk Amazon US: amzn.to/3vjqSRo
+ Blockx Gamboge PY65
Jacksons: bit.ly/3OzkAF3
+ Turner Permanent Gamboge PY150, PY110, PY109
Jacksons: bit.ly/3vP0JJg Amazon US: amzn.to/3xYGXxS
+ Old Holland Gamboge Lake Extra PY153, PY151
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+ Van Gogh Gamboge PY154, PO48
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+ Fabriano Academia Jackson's: bit.ly/3iYKgKc
+ Aureoline (Holbein)
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+ Quinacridone Rose (Daniel Smith)
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+ Phthalo Blue Yellow Shade (Holbein)
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+ Pro Arte Prolene Plus size 10 round brush
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I appreciate that you included Van Gogh, I was shocked at its tinting strength, because the rest of its range is usually quite respectable.
The Van Gogh Gamboge is great for the exact reasons that you don't like it. As it has a lower tinting strength it is great for mixing transparent and very natural skin colours that lack the extreme yellowness of other similar mixes of other artists grade brands. It is also great for mixing muted tints of green when is mixed with blues and very light beige colours when it is mixed with purples. And it is 100% lightfast. I have tested it for one year on a south facing window.
In fact both the Van Gogh and Rembrandt Gamboge colours are made with the same pigments of other brands' Quinacridone Gold. The Rembrandt one has higher tinting strength but it doesn't give the exact same subtle mixes that the V.G one can give so I include both in my palette for different mixing purposes.
Totally agree about student grade stuff. If a beginner bought the Daniel Smith Watercolor Essentials set or MaimeriBlu Watercolor Intro set they'd have all they need. Learn color mixing as well.
I always learn so much from your videos! When I first learned watercolor, my teacher had us use W&N New Gamboge in a 3-color primary palette. Back then W&N New Gamboge was PY153. In the Colossal Color Showdown for New Gamboge, I've learned that it has been completely reformulated, and now uses PY150 & PR209. It behaves NOTHING like the old New Gamboge. (old New Gamboge???) I've moved away from W&N and gone on to explore other brands, but still dip back into that W&N palette sometimes. So now I know that if that 20 year old tube of New Gamboge ever gets used up, I should not just go and buy a new tube. It will not be the same. Which is exactly the purpose of the Colossal Color Showdown - helping us to know what to expect from different colors/brands. Thanks so much!!!!
Have you tried/heard of sennelier's new gamboge? They still use the old pigment PY153 but some say it's still not the same. I have it, but don't have an older tube to compare it to!
@@halewatercolor Hi! I can't find a Sennelier color named New Gamboge. "Sennelier Yellow Light" is a single pigment of PY153. (Like the old W&N New Gamboge.) I happen to have both, so I painted a swatch of each. The old W&N New Gamboge seems much more orange to me than the Sennelier Yellow Light. Sennelier has 2 other colors that contain PY153: Indian Yellow (PY154, PY153) and Sennelier Yellow Deep. (PY83, PY153) Unfortunately I don't have either of those colors to compare to the old W&N New Gamboge.
I still have a lot of VG paint because in the stone age when I first became interested in watercolor a store that was going out of business had a metric crapton of tubes for $1 each. They're still useful for quick composition sketches and the like.
The Vermillion Part 2 video is a rerun of Vermillion Part 1 still, at least it is for me.
I have the Gamboge by M Graham as well as the Mission Gold and I have been happy with them. I was most familiar with it from Teoh's channel and his great use of the Daniel Smith version. But you are right on the Daler Rowney! It looks just like summer sunshine!
I like the Hobien and the Mission Gold. I like the lighter yellow color But the Daniel Smith is nice for a deeper color.
rembrandt's was my first experience of a new gamboge. i didn't realise it was basically a tiny bit darker than pure PY150. great vid as always, thank you!
I would pick D.R. or MG I don’t like the grainy brownish looking ones.
I really like DS New Gam, has always behaved for me and looks great. Van G new gam obviously sucks. lol To be fair though lets be honest every brand (ALL of them) have 1 or 2 stinkers that are low on tint vs others or do something unexpected. IMO Van G does have a handful of good colours based on single pigments. They aren't as stingy with cheaper pigments and their tint is much better.
Still I agree I would never suggest a full van g or cotman set, too many weak ultramarines and odd hue aproximations. Van Gs does have a few winners their Azo green (PY129) is quite good, (really its so close to DS/M.Gram that I can't bring myself to spend 3-4x the price side by side you really can't tell much if any difference) and I find their pyrrole orange much the same (and seeing as I rarely use either it do not feel bad about grabbing those colours as I can often get them on sale for $3.)
IMO the main issue with student grades is the unexpected behaviour of "more expensive" colours, the hues and the odd mixes. The cobalts, ceruleans, cads ect. A new painter can for sure use a good number of Van Gs colours based on the more inexpensive pigments. The catch is knowing which ones are good. Which is why people ask you to add them to your review. :) Even with tons of money sunk into my palettes I still use a couple Van Gough cause they actually have a handful of good highly pigmented colours that are very even and rewet nice, its not just about price.
With student sets even if 3/4 of the set is great having some of the staple colours suck just kills the value. Still some of those cotman/Van G tubes really are good paints. If you are going to consider adding any of them to your further tests.... if its a Mixed pigment (or a hue) just skip them, I don't think anyone is really curious about those I believe we all know they are going to be bad. However if you are going to test a colour where either of them have a single = pigment # variety... I would vote test them. Some of the pyrrole/azo/pr101 type single pigments might surprise you.
I am not a huge fan of warm yellows and yellowy oranges, they don’t find place in my mixing, but I agree with you that the warmer smoother ones look better on their own and probably are easier to use. If I need a py150, I can buy it on its own.;)
Thanks for the video. I have the Daniel Smith, which I really like, but that Daler Rowney is a delightful surprise. I might have to add that to my next order from Jackson’s. I feel like the cooler yellows with PY150 are a lot like quinacridone gold and too muddled compared to the warmer versions. I always learn something new and helpful from you. Thanks for putting in the work for all of us😘
thanks, Oto! Looking forward to neutral tint! :)
The only cheap , called professional by manufacturer, i would recomend would be white nights ...but that said i encourage all to wait for sale ...or coupon of 50% off at jo anns and pick up one tube of winsor newton unless it will cost you gas money.
Thank you !
I've only ever used the DS New Gamboge, and it's a mainstay on my palette! However, M. Graham looks like it would be a decent substitution for me. Not a huge fan of the dirtier yellows
My Winsor and Newton new gamboge looks nothing like yours. Mine is quite a lovely orange yellow! And, yes, it does not react to salt.
you may have the "old version" of W & N, i used to have it, lovely color
@@grannysmithart Sure enough! On the W&N website the current pigments are PR209 & PY150! My tube says PY153. And it says, “New Gamboge is a **recently reformulated** warm yellow pigment resembling genuine toxic Gamboge.” Good to know! I’ll be needing a new tube soon! It probably won’t be the new formulation. 👍
@@grannysmithart I wouldn’t call 2012 “recent”!
Dang! That change slipped by me! Thanks for the reply.
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