Daihatsu Fellow ZM360 Two Stroke TEAR DOWN
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- I Recently purchased this Awesome little 1968 Daihatsu Fellow which is powered by a 360cc Twin Cylinder Two Stroke.
Upon Purchasing it we bolted it back together to find that exhaust gas was entering the cooling system.
This sparked an ultimatum to either repair the factory ZM360 Two Stroke or potentially carry out an engine conversion with a motorbike engine.
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Thanks for everyone's suggestions in the previous episode!
Love me a two stroke anything... Maybe learn to make some expansion chambers!!
it wouldnt be to hard to make fastish not crazy and be safe shorten a disk brake hilux diff and put it on air bag suspension or if you want to keep it irs datsun 180b diff with a wilwood disk brake conversion and something like daihatsu mira front end on it for disk brake front and suspension upgrade and like said a 1100cc shaft drive motorcycle engine it would make it much more usable and do highway speeds much easier reversible resto mod
Restoring it gets my vote. Modified cars are cool but so are classics. If it had been modified in its day then I'd be all for restoring it as a modded car but seeing as it's schmiko bringing it back to its former glory seems like the right thing to do.
While restore gets my vote - Fiat TwinAir 2cyl turbo from modern Pandas and 500's?
you should see if you can fit a eco tech cruze 4 cylinder sports shift though there might not be enough room in the engine bay and mod the eco tech engine 4 cylinder would be good to watch a cruze sports shift 4 cylinder get mods in a Daihatsu
Stick with the factory oiling system - they're very, very reliable and meter oil far better than premix ever can.
agreed! might be talking out my azz but I think going premix can lead to clogging shit up
Yeah outboards in my opinion are way better behaved on oil injection.
And am not sure about theses engines but some automotive 2stroke also have oil feeds to the outer race of the main bearings
Love it because it is 100% different!
Surprised Marty hasn't shown up!
First fire up he'll come running to the sound of his people.
Many years ago, as an apprentice I worked on a couple of 2 Stroke 3 cylinder LJ suzukis. The oil injection system on them worked very will, once set and with good quality oil, very little smoke. I would suggest this working properly over pre-mix.
I normally wouldn't say this, but PLEASE don't engine swap it!! 🙏
Of all the cars you've worked on over the years, this one deserves to stay original.
From an 8 second 2J Commodore, to an 80 second Daihatsu. Great content Woody. Variety is the spice of life.
Full crank case reed design opens up lots of opportunities for swapping out top ends. You could possibly adapt a couple of KTM300 barrels to that bottom end. That would give you modern 2-stroke head and port designs as well as exhaust power valves for a broader spread of power. Also keep the oil injection system. Early SAAB 2 strokes had some issues with seizing on prolonged downhill runs as there was no oil getting to the motor with the throttle shut.
Keeping oil injection is definitely a good idea
keep oil injection that only runs when the throttle is shut
@@jcthe2nd Oil injection is likely directly to the crank case so the motor still gets some oil regardless of throttle. Most systems on 2 stroke motorcycles have a valve tied to the throttle that increases flow as the throttle opens but it still has a minimum flow when the throttle is closed.
If the engine ever gets trashed, a classic 2-stroke 3 cylinder Suzuki GT750 water cooled engine would be sick. Better than a KTM thumper. Makes about 50hp but can make 175hp with carbs and exhaust.
@@shize9ine KTM300 is a 2 stroke. That would make for a 600CC 2 stroke twin. GT750 wont even make 175HP with nitromethane. GT750 is also piston port, not real efficient by todays standards. I knew a bloke that converted one to reed valve and that made good improvements but cant be done without major modifications to the barrels.
Be a bit careful about junking the factory oil injection set up , don’t know a thing about that cars set up but on some bikes the oil is injected directly to the main bearings ( and the inlet obviously)and premix won’t get to the bearings unless shields or seals are removed / modified .
Yep oil injected to both centre mains! Figured that out as we torn it down further!
@@theskidfactorycool lil car . Glad you are keeping it standard ( ish ) for now . Love the channel btw
That was awesome! - as others have said autolube needs to stay on the little beast. They are reliable and the best bit is it moderates the oil ratio in most applications ie full throttle max 2T delivery. Unsolicited Tip 1: On long downhill runs a few blips of the throttle adds extra oil and fuel to prevent a hot seize as a result of a lack of cooling and lube effect of fuel and oil mix. So looking forward to seeing Jolly rock down the road.
As you said:
It gets you out of being a blue Smoke Generator at a Stop but at the same Time you supply enough at higher Power Demand.
I personally might switch it to electronic as most Parts, but I already mentioned that on the last Video.
Yeah, something for breakfast break in an hour. Greetings to Australia from the other side of the globe 😂
(loving this oddball car)
Dude premix sucks arse, a lifetime of 2 stroke race bikes including a 2 stroke KTM 200EXC currently, premixing at servos is a royal pain, mixing at home little better, autolube if serviced properly is very reliable, my 40th year in the bike industry can say the only failed self oilers are from gronks running them dry, even oil pumps need lube😂
Keep it original.
Yeah turns out the centre mains are oiled via the pump so it will all be staying!
What’s your preference for pre mix brands?
Would like to see the dry ice blasting of the engine and how it looks afterwards.
I think the little white car is the coolest in your fleet. Love that you are restoring it and making it good again.
Just make sure you measure the bore before ordering rings, as being a 2 stroke it could well be oversized already and need the next size over pistons and rings. In the mean time, keep your eyes open for a wrecked ST1100 or a Triumph Rocket 3. Cant wait to see what this little nugget turns into.
Yep! Standard pistons and bore by the looks, Ended up sourcing oversized anyway so off to the machine shop!
Got a tiger 1050 with 3cyl 119hp we could drop in
Love your direction with this build Woody! Thanks for sharing!
Cool thing with that is, you could have stuffed the Engine directly into a parts cleaner without ever opening the case 😂 don't let the guys saying "aww it's rubbish" tell ya this isn't cool, something about being able to work on the entire car without a hoist is just awesome! Love it!
Most important thing… does it do a skid?
Not all cars need engine swaps and more powers, rebuild the original donk, fix all the bushings and other parts that have left the building, and just have a fun little car that gives the LOLS for cars and coffee runs
In saying this, getting some "tang tang tang" sounds out the back would be nice
Just put a 660cc turbo Daihatsu kei car engine in. 64hp and would make 80hp easily
That amazing car needs to be restored to as original as possible. 🙏🙏
Agree.
You've oiled your hammer 😄
Looks like the same drivetrain that was available in Oz in the '70's S38 HiJet. If you need to, you can bore the block and use Victa mower pistons (don't ask,...) or swap in the 547cc motor from the S40 model.
1 litre two-stroke Jimny engine might fit in there too.
If you're going motorcycle power. Look at the Honda Goldwing. Those bikes have reverse due to issues with weight. I can't remember what years they did it, but I've seen them up close.
"Daihatsu....that's who 🎶"
"We're all a bunch of weirdos we just like different things"
100% 😂❤
This is terrific stuff. An old school nugget. Never seen this model before!
Hey up woody you don't need a quafe gear box just use a starter motor for the reverse, old V twin moto gus engine would be cool and has a car type clutch so you could use the original gearbox
Oil injection lubricates when you're off the throttle as it's linked to engine speed not throttle position alone.
please never lose the squeaky hammer .. it's childish & thats why it makes me smile every time
I think a little three cylinder turbo would be great to make it a very usable vehicle
The Daihatsu engine looks like it'll fit in a carry-on bag, time to book a few days in Indonesia 🇮🇩 and get some expert help, that would be my excuse anyway 😎
Respect the resto Woody... it’s a rare thing 👌
I’d never heard of it till you showed it 😂
Al would've loved that Lil motor 😍
Good luck dismantling and reassembling the crankshaft
Port those cylinders, adapt some better reed valves(e.g. from a >=250cc dirtbike or after market) and build a tuned resonance exhaust and that two-stroke will fly 🚙💨
My mum has a 700c yamaha grizzly quad. It goes really well. 4wd and the engine would comfortably fit in the engine bay, it would be a decent option to swap in without a ridiculous amount of effort.
Woody, On what you can do with a tiny car; on my way to this episode I saw an Austin Mini hauling around Good wood Racecourse at full chat giving a strong looking Mustang V8 a real fit for laps. But is was a full up race car with all that entails, I'm sure, and I'm also sure it will never be a street car again, either. Interesting little car- many of the Japanese Kei cars are- the little sports models especially. Al's buddy, Benny's Custom Garage is into the Cappuccinos, so you might call over there. On your crank; if your buddy isn't available, any motorcycle shop should be able to handle the disassembly and reassembly with the new bearings- trapped ball bearings are pretty common on MC multi cylinder engines.
Keeping it stock would make it more desirable to collectors. As soon as it's modified with an engine replacement, for example, its value drops. Additionally, it retains its historical significance in its original configuration.
That has reed valves 4 years before bikes started using them, and big ones too. That looks fairly modern rather than old piston port design porting.
Port and pipe it favouring torque, find a couple of trials bike cylinders with powervalves. you want it to pull harder rather than top speed.
Idk if its just the Merica in me, but 2 smoke only choice would be a Yamaha Banshee engine. 2 cylinders crazy aftermarket support. No idea if they were brought into AUS back in the day or how popular they are over there.
8:45 - this engine/trans combo is bloody adorable
Jumping late to the engine swap suggestions... Hearing you think about putting single cylinder motorcycle engine just sounds too funny to me. So my suggestion along those lines would be kawasaki klr650 engine !
Love your work Woody!!! I think you've made the right call in terms of giving the existing engine a full going through and refresh. Keen to see how it all cleans up and comes together!! Keep up the great work mate! Love what you're doing!
I’m currently rebuilding the s38 truck. I’ve got a pdf workshop manual if needed? Looks like you’re buying off Mr Benny too 😎
Standard they have 23HP, port it, put an expansion pipe in it, 35HP, ~450 kilo, rev it past it's 5000 rpm limit 45HP, nippy🙃
It would be a crime not to add a turbo from a charade into the mix 😜🌶
The mind would explode if _any_ usable part is thrown 'in the bin'. That is such a backwards 'joke' that no car deserves (regardless of rarity tbh)
Have you thought about lawnmower engines? Or something from a cement mixer. Something like a predator engine Like Robot Cantina did on the Renault
Dude , don't forget there is a whole realm of 2 stroke engines in the outboard motor for boats area that are primed to provide a shmick alternative for this little jigger . 150 Hp Jono would be awesome to do and to make it totally unique and farking fast .
Wish we got Kei cars like Aus did
Honestly tiny obscure cars are the best. Usually a fan of dumb motor insertions but 100% agree with non-bastardisation of this one
That V4 would be AWESOME. If you do end up swapping, that absolutely has my vote.
Buy the engine you're offered mate! Do some 'sportier' port timings, slaps the vfforce or boyessen reeds, and put expansion chambers on it
Porting does improve power, but thats a byproduct of improving efficiency.
Oil injection over premix, that way you don't starve the bearings and destroy the engine coasting downhill with the throttle closed.
May not be your usual car but it is very interesting. Good call on keeping it with the original engine, I am going to enjoy this build.
Early comment, but I strongly urge you to keep the oil injection hooked up. Some two strokes use the oil pump to lubricate the main bearings. You can still run premix for safety, just at a lower ratio so it doesn't smoke like crazy. Check on your engine before you remove the oil system!
I love this car! Lamborghinis and other supercars are so unreachable for a normal bloke.
Goldwings and K1200LT’s have reverse and shaft drive - just sayin
Completely agree! As fun as it would be to swap the engine out for something later model, I think the car is too unique and rare, and best restored, driven, and enjoyed.
I don’t know anything about those two stroke engines, but perhaps there is a way to extract a bit more grunt from it?
Definitely do some port work. Perhaps even add EFI!
looking at that bottom end makes me think you can just go to local bearing shop for supplies.. Daihatsu that's who. I may or may not have the EPC for this model
Stick with factory stuff. Or maybe even modernize it a bit with some sensors
Premix doesn't work well in a car where you can close the throttle and continue down hill. It leans them out.
Cbr250rr motor would be cool, they sound mental
Any possibility of using a single rotor, or maybe some sort of bike or lawnmower rotary engine?
Full exhaust is important because of bottom end torque.
Keep it stock for the purest because you have an excellent example.
2:58 love the positive camber on those rear wheels. Looks mad.
Premix means you never have the correct oil ratio. Factory system is the way to go.
OMG I absolutely love this little car
loving the weird car content, and the touch of Kenny G in the soundtrack!
Port the current engine.
If you go premix you will stand a good chance of seizing the engine coasting down hills. early Saab 2 strokes we’re famous for it.
cool reed valves
Smiles per mile, that is what this car provides. Good on ya Woody!
If you’re into cars then working on any car is enjoyable
Keep the oiling system. If you don’t have it then you can’t engine brake. You would need the gearbox from an old Saab or a Trabant because they can free wheel like a mountain bike in certain gears or you would be constantly taking it out of gear
Also it will be great to see John work on this little nugget. I bet it will be the smallest engine he’s ever rebuilt 😂
What a cool little thing. These 2-stroke things can be tickled pretty easily, not too dissimilar to 2 stroke mopeds! Upgrade the carb and its jetting, get a more effective exhaust, you might just even double the horsepower without too much problems!
Yes get davo to port it and yes make up some sick pipes 🍺🍺
20:39 must be using the wrong hammer, sounds off 😅
Perhaps consider getting the head turned down in a lathe to set the squish to modern specs e.g. 50% bore area for squish and 0.9mm squish gap
Tight squish gap should help reduce detonation
Love this jolly fellow, looking forward to the rebuild.
Turbo 2 stroke skidoo engine %100 wodd be the most epic thing ever. 👌
With that rear suspension, an ST motor (the later ST1300 is same layout, but 1300cc and injected) would likely get you into "Be very careful with corners" territory. Honda also used the 1300 in the CTX1300 in a detuned/retuned for low end version. Also, looking at the design now that it's out, a snowmobile motor would be an easier swap than you thought. and adaper or new flange for the bellhousing could be fabbed up and a smaller (for modern snowmobiles) engine would slot in for less weight and a bit more power. But they'd be near double displacement (now-days seems 600cc is a "small" motor. I remember when a 440 was big. I show my age) but hay, as long as parts can be got, go stock, for now.
That car is awesome!
Id love to see a V4 shaft drive bike engine in this thing, the new Vmax engine would be probably a little insane at 200hp but the older 120hp one would be pretty mint and still controllable
Honda vfr1200 would fit the bill. V4 170hp shaft drive
Did you not hear him say he doesn't want it to go fast.
@65cj55 I say the same thing but it never lasts
@@michaelhart5886that would be sick
Am enjoying the Daihatsu work as much as any other previous Skid Factory project. These are classic cars and need to be restored as close to factory as possible. I’ve recently finished refreshing a 1995 G202 Charade with the 3 cylinder 993 cc motor that was unregistered for 4 years and it’s really satisfying to have brought it back to life and back on the road.
This build is cool ! Just in the engine itself is outside the box it’s gunna be a great project !
The starter motor isn’t much smaller than that engine.
Small engine or big starter? 😂
@@theskidfactory probably a bit of both yeah? The starter is one of those old school direct drives?
cool little skid factory kebab getter😊
or should i say sushi saloon!
bench press the kei car off the hoist!
Thanks for the video on pulling this engine down. I am a Daihatsu enthusiast also, I have a L60 Handi which has the 2 cylinder that replaced the ZM engine. The ZM is a cool engine too see, as I may have mentioned before there were some amazing variants of the ZM including one up to 44 hp.
Good stuff love the purity or not
Love this car, well cool.
Variety is the spice of life and it's not all about the big turbo's and skids (just don't let Alan hear us say that though 😂)!
The MCM guys will be tearing down your door to get a butchers at this one!
Keep at it Woody - top man.
Ps no squeaky mallet noises when whacking off the rear drum?
It's so damn cool, i'm glad you're fixing it.
If this combo doesn't work, a Suzuki Jimny engine and gearbox would be a good swap 🎉
There was a more powerful SS model. Higher comp and twin carbs for Extra 6hp!
top marks lads! Fascinating time machine and not another LS, 2J, Barra etc. Refurb / rebuild what ya can if parts are available. Restored stocko Jolly Good Fellow. Not many about anywhere I'd wager.
Dont mess with the ports or make chambers unless you have a 2-stroke genius on call. Its might pick up alittle on top, but will probably be even worse than now down low. What about an old Honda goldwing engine? Should be bulletproof, shaft drive and more than enough torque. It you have the money, maybe a Honda CBX 1000 or a Kawasaki KZ1300 six cylinder !
Engine swap sounds wrong but I love my ETEC outboard (also used in snowmobiles) and something like that might result in a surprisingly economical car. It is neck to neck with modern 4-strokes from likes of Honda and Yamaha with outboards, and those in turn are related to motorbike and car engines.
This needs the little 3 cyl turbo engine from a Suzuki Swift turbo (Same as Chevy Sprint, Pontiac Firefly, etc) Probably the exact right amount of power to be fun, and not totally over power the chassis, rear end, etc.
On the premix note, if it's anything like the suzuki lj50 two stroke, that actually feeds oil to the main bearings, so running premix will damage the bearings and crank, good luck with the rebuild
Honda vfr1200 would fit the bill as well. V4 170hp and shaft drive. Also and air/oil cooled bmw gs 1200 engine