The True Size of Voya Nui
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2025
- Voya Nui, the home of the Mask of Life and setting of the 2006 storyline. Its an island shrouded in mystery and in today's investigation, we uncover one of them...
Just how big is the island anyway?
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the most shocking measurement was that it's been almost 2 decades since the voya Nui arc started
Stop making us feel old.
@@SupersuMCToo late
You just gave me a punch to the gut bro
And there I thought Voya Nui rivaled Metru Nui in size, since I always used the MU map from the Makuta book for reference. (although that admittedly says it's not accurately scaled)
Very interesting. Since this island is much less populated than the previous islands it makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, the MU map is great for a lot of things, but confirmed as not to scale. Probably should've mentioned that in the video now that I think about it... Oh well
I guess that gives a valid reason as to why we had no detailed location exploration for Voya Nui in the same way we got for Mata Nui and Metru Nui, what you see on the map is what you get. However, that means that Metru Nui buildings are massive in scale. Now I wanna know just how high the Coliseum is. I think a dedicated Metru Nui video trying to figure out the size of each metru and its most prominent buildings visible on the map would be a great idea for the 20th anniversary of Metru Nui year. Lets put into perspective just how great the Great Furnace of Ta-Metru is.
The immense depths of the Aqua Magna oceans genuinely suprised me - the water pressure down in the Pit and near Mahri Nui must be absolutely insane! I can kinda accept that beings made from Protodermis can survive that, but the squid and all the other organic species from Spherus Magna?? o.O
Makes me wonder just how deep it really goes. Mahri Nui and the 07 story took place on top of the GSR's chest, so away from it the depth must be far more than even that! Roughly the 'depth' of the GSR, I'd think, plus 10 km or so, considering that it must be lying on the floor and not floating. 🤔 (Though its kinda funny to imagine it only being anchored on the face with the island and the rest just kinda floating underwater ... do we know the GSR's average density? ^^')
Using the size & mass for Aqua Magna you calculated one might even be able to determine the ratio of rock to water in its volume to create the surface acceleration we see in the story ... Great Beings stop me or I'll start calculating stuff myself! 😂
Great work as always, as you can see I love thinking about this stuff! 😁
I mean it does have to be deep enough to submerge a whole GSR, so it kinda makes sense. They also kinda talked about how much water pressure there is at those depths, but it was a little inconsistent, like how Matoran who were in what was basically their original forms were able to just chill, while the all the Inika, even Hahli, were not only unab survive down there without special equipment and a transformation by the Ignika and Black Waters, but were not even able to get themselves down their without traveling through the cord do to the water being to pressurized and dense.
I'm just wondering what kind of Superprotodermis the cord is made from so that it can sustain itself as basically a pressurized tube under those pressures without imploding.
@@Korohpu plot armor quality protodermis
I frickin LOVE counting pixels!
I will definitely be watching the Mahri Nui video! Creeps from the deep already sounds like creeps from the DEEP. Definitely freaking out my mind.
the thought of how deep the waters of Aqua Magna go, the Toa and other lifeforms down there would have to withstand truly mind melting levels of pressure to survive.
Given how deep the oceans seem to be on Aqua Magna, imagine the pressure down in Mahri-Nui would be completely insane!
It would, normal animals wouldnt be able to survive, but I guess the mutagens seeping from the GSR give them some adaptations they would normally never have.
@@Bionickpunk and MU creatures aside from the krana/kraata tend to be more mechanical than biological, so that probably helps out a bit too. Although I don't remember at the moment if the Barraki and other creeps from the deep follow the same rules as land creatures, since the mutations might have messed up their composition as well.
I can't say enough, how much I love how unique your videos are. Well done!
Considering the GSR was almost completely covered in water while resting, Aqua Magna's oceans must have been unbelievably deep and in no comparison to Earth's. Also, Voya Nui's calculated size certainly does not match with the size given in the Matoran Universe map, where it makes up a majority of the Southern Continent.
On another note, what always struck me was Voya Nui's distinct parabolic shape. In some Faber concept artwork, you can see a hexagonal cone that makes up the core of Voya Nui, which is likely the bit that got jettisoned from the Southern Continent that made the roof/plug of Karda Nui. I cannot imagine that the area of Voya Nui on the Southern Continent was parabolic before being jettisoned (as the plug is hexagonal and the island tips would have broken off). In fact, a real world example of this parabolic shape are parabolic dunes, which are shapes formed by sand grains under wind influence. Perhaps Voya Nui looked different after the Great Cataclysm and only with time developed its parabolic shape under the influence of the ocean currents, while being tied to the seafloor.
Maybe for a future video, you could do how much light from the Red Star would reach Marhi Nui
I mean… none, because red light can’t pass through more than a few meters of water.
Thank you for this very neat little video, now we at least have some kind of justification for why all of 2006 took place in about a day.
I still wish it was longer story-wise TBH, but hey, they did their best.
There’s a lot of points in the story I wish took place over longer amounts of time. The fact that the majority of the Toa Mata/Nuva’s story takes place in the span of only 1 year still baffles me. If I could change one thing about Bionicle’s story it would be the length of time of the major events in the story
@@lukestarkiller1470 Indeed. It would not be padding, it would be giving room for all the wonderful concepts to breathe.
@@Yan_Alkovic yeah even just a few longer time jumps/gaps would have been nice, like the Toa never really got a chance to just live on the island of Mata Nui. In the story there’s never any breaks, they go straight from finding the masks and fighting rahi to fighting Bohrok and then the Bohrok Kal and then the Rahkshi. And then they leave the island. And then when they get to Metru Nui they immediately leave for Voya Nui .They never really had time to just live their normal lives as protectors of their villages and earn their mythological status as the sort of demigods of the island and the controllers of their elements like how they were shown in the marketing. I understand why Greg Farshtey just wanted to tell us everything that happens and not leave stuff out, but gaps in the story would leave more room for people to imagine their own stories in between the major events, and leave time for the characters to really get to know each other better and actually feel like Mata Nui was their home. If it were up to me I’d say that each year of Bionicle sets should have been about a year in the story, some events like the Bohrok Kal make sense being smaller amounts of time though but then there could have just been longer gaps in time until the next year of sets. That way it would have felt more like the characters were growing with the audience instead of us just waiting a year to find out what happens a few days later in the story
What would be a good timeframe for the story? I like 4 to 7 and that makes the most sense, but some part of me would want to stretch it out to 50 or 100.
It is possible that Greg had the characters constantly struggling through tribulations to compensate for not being allowed to kill any of them (from his alternate universe stories we see that he likes to kill characters often), the characters never being able to rest could be a replacement for grief.
I can’t wait for you to calculate the scale of Karda Nui. In the books it was said to be such a vast expanse that even after 100 years of filling with water the ground had only become slightly marshy
If it was filling for 100 years and kept being marshy instead of filled up to the brim, it means a lot of the excess water gets ejected from the spherical cavity in some way, just not entirely efficient, probably due to the crash.
@@Bionickpunk yeah maybe, I mean Greg Farshtey’s reason for including that line was just to show that it was an incredibly huge area, but he technically also said the GSR was way bigger than it actually is so I guess he’s not always the most trustworthy source
The water had filled it up halfway over the 1000 years. That’s what the Swamp of Secrets is; it’s the water-filled lower half.
@@Jpteryx I guess I missed the detail that it was halfway, I think I just assumed the marshes were part of the original ground in Karda Nui, but I guess it could be floating on the water too. Or maybe the remaining ground was just higher points of the original desert landscape or something
Got me in the olds with this one, haha! I love seeing these scales come to light. I'd always envisioned the islands as approximately the same size but this all makes way more sense in context in some ways. (The depth/height of the island, though, craaazy.)
The depth thing always bothered me too. Especially the pit how it is also a floating section and isn't sitting on mata nui's chest. Like, how is mata nui supposed to be even further down?! I know he is big but where is the ocean floor for his body to lay on?!
Keep up the good work! Love your stuff!!!
Great video! After watching it I immediately began looking for real world Island with the same surface area. Being from Italy, I settled on the island of Ischia (close to Naples), which is pretty much exactly the same area, at 46,3 square Km. Using it for reference on Google maps and assuming the two islands are mountainous in a similar way, if the Toa and Piraka had bicycles they would have been able to cross Voya Nui in about 1h, which is quite an interesting perspective.
Too bad they left their Rahkshi powered bike near Makutas lair.
Based on the fact the depth of the aqua magna oceans is way deeper than earths oceans, and the water pressure would be immensely higher, would it be safe to say the Toa Mahri would be more powerful than their Inika forms to be able to survive such an environment? For reference, after a quick google search, the deepest sea creature ever discovered is the snailfish around 3800 m deep.
That was actually a point brought up. At even half the depth, Hahli was already getting crushed in her Inika form and could make her body go low enough(considering she is made of basically an equivalent to steel, that seems horrifying, and Toa were likely thought of vaguely by the creators as at least a ton, they can also swim, so I don't really know. Nevertheless, they specifically had to have their forms changed by the Ignika and to travel through the Cord, and to get special equipment to survive at the depths. The Matoran do seem to survive though, and though the Black Waters mutated them, that does put it into question a little(but seeing as the Ta-Matoran who came to the surface to warn them died after coning to the surface due to the pressure difference(seemingly more than just a death from decompression sickness, but maybe the exhaustion also played into it), they might just be built different, literally.
@@justsomeguy5628 I do remember that scene, but always thought it was just a case of Hahli couldn't hold her breath long enough to retrieve the mask. But you're right, the story didn't detail all the changes the Ignika made to the Toa Mahri other than the ability to breathe underwater. It could just be a multi-faceted aspect of the story. Also I believe the Matoran that rescued Hahli died because he was mutated by the pit waters to become only able to breathe water and can't survive on the surface. But like you said, there's lots of unknowns.
But another question that pops into my mind is whether the Kanohi Kaukau increases the users durability to be able to survive greater depths along with water-breathing?
When you get to Aqua magna and figure out how deep the oceans are two things you need to consider the first I think a big chunk of the 2007 storyline does take place on the outside of the great spirit at robot you will have to calculate that i’ve also think Greg has said That the planet aqua broke up from might be slightly bigger than earth so that might be something you should take into account
Keep on making these videos! These are great!
I was a bit surprised at how small Voya Nui was, and tried to find any other sources for points of reference we could use to estimate the size, and I actually found something: we have an upper limit for the size of the cord.
In _City of the Lost_ (Legends 6), the Mask of Life enlarges a venom eel to gigantic size, about 300 feet in length (chapter 7, paragraph 6). This eel goes on to wrap around the cord (chapter 9, paragraph 30), implying that it is longer than the circumference of the cord. Making some simplifying assumptions (e.g. "the eel is exactly as long as the circumference") and doing a bit of pixel counting on the side-on view of Voya Nui you showed at 5:50, the island turns out to be about 4000ft (1.2km) long.
This is an order of magnitude smaller than your answer. There were some simplifying assumptions, sure, but those establish an _upper_ limit, not a lower one. There was a lot of measurement error (the concept art has a side-on perspective, and calling the length of the eel "accurate to one significant figure" is very generous), but it shouldn't be enough for an order of magnitude difference.
What does this mean? Maybe the cord narrows toward the bottom? Maybe Greg is making up numbers again, but in the other direction this time? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Considering Aqua Magna's ocean is far deep that that of Earth's i now have to wonder how high the pressure is at Mahri Nui.
That was really deep
How large would the “Red Star” be?
That's a topic of a future video ;)
Time for one of the best islands!!!
How do oceans that deep affect a planet's ecology? The tides definitely are going to be interesting. Also with that much water on a planet, it's going to have one hell of a heat sink so it's temperature should be relatively stable. Also it can probably absorb a lot of CO2 in solution
Aqua Magna is an artificial moon (only a moon in the sense it orbits another planet, it would probably rival Earth in size), created by a man-made cataclysm by removing all the surface water from Spherus Magna, which by itself is already a Titan Planet. It having deep oceans would make sense due to being quite smaller than its original planet.
@@Bionickpunk so I'm not really aware of the storyline after the Metro Archs, so the fact that this planet is made from the shell of another one is slightly terrifying
Awesome video!
i'm not even sure aqua magna has a solid core, though if it has one it's def not got much beyond it
It has to have some solid surface, even our Gas giants have a solid core. Without a solid surface, the GSR wouldnt be able to lay down.
@@Bionickpunk i know there has to be a core but with water that well over 10 miles (voya nui is still floating _above_ the gsr) i'm sturggling to imagine this core as little more then the bare essential to force rotational gravity on aqua magna
the water is so so deep i can't even imagine what alien life formed in the depths and then promptly died during the reforming once they lost the super deep water pressure (spherus magna can have deep oceans, it will never have aqua magna deep oceans though)
@@prcervi You can also have compressed water molecules in the form of ice, but not because it's cold, but because of the pressure.
My question is, why didn’t you compare voya nui as seen in the southern continent to a map of meteu nui after all, that would be easier to figure out
This is something I completely forgot to add to the video, but Greg has confirmed that the MU map isn't to scale, meaning that unfortunately we can't use it for these kind of calculations
@@theknowledgetower208 so here’s an idea why not use the measurements for voya nui along with meteu nui to figure out the landmass of all the named location in the universe
killing it!