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I just wanted to take things a little further and flesh out my thoughts a little more. Oppression does not care about skin colour. I've experienced hate from both white and black people. Perhaps we need to start focusing on peoples character instead. The West is in a strange place right now. While being the most progressive countries on the planet, some gleefully call places like Finland "the most racist" country in Europe. I think this is ridiculous and disingenuous. Yes, it's my personal opinion and my lived experience.
I hope you enjoyed my thoughts on this subject.
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I think the phrase "Play stupid games - Win stupid prices" applies very well in the current situation/athmosphere all around the world. If everyone just keeps pouring gasoline to the flames, no one will have place to call home anymore.
You sir, are a great example of a human, that having a positive view/attitude of life, the life will provide you positive outcome. One might say, that you play the positive game and so you win positive prices ;).
You sir belong to Finland too, if you like it here. I am a native born and all my life lived in Finland, man. I love my country for my own reasons, and I think you fit well with us. As well as most africans who have come to Finland. Better than the young teen men from middle east at least. :)
People here sometimes have ideas, labels as you say, about "yeah this african guy, plays a drum and sings and eat fruit maybe, go back to africa your home", things like that perhaps. Sometimes they may blurt it out to you. I hope you can endure that and understand, that it takes time for them to let them get more comfortable with the IDEA of who you are and start seeing you as who you TRULY ARE.
I welcome you to our nation. You fit here if you ask me. Tervetuloa! :)
Mikko
I've done telemarketing. Door to door is the next level of it.
I've also worked as a guy who pull's grease from frozen fish with fingers and 12 hour days shoveling rooftops. These two jobs are nothing compared to the terror I have experienced at the end of the phone.
I would rather die than do door2door, especially in finland. Sir, you are a trooper.
I’ll never do that shit again though 😂😂 Don’t get me wrong, I hated doing it 😂
When I was a student I distributed junk mail. The company didn't give me keys so I had to ring doorbells to get into apartment blocks to distribute that mail. People got rather angry. I imagine door to door is 100 times worse. 😉
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Nowadays people are likely to feel that door2door is unnecessary intrusion and irritating, since they can by what they want by other means. About 70 years ago things where different especially in the countryside. People might actually have been delighted to get a visitor, who demonstrated them some good and also delivered them. My father used to sell as a part-time side job TVs 📺 to people in more remote communities. I got the impression that he was mostly well received by the people he visited.
Chico Muya= could you finnish name be ”Simo Muikku”. (muikku is fish aslike shark but smaller one)
I'm a Finn and I've watched your first video and this one and I have to say you really are on point and understand us. I couldn't care less about anyone's skin color - to me and to many others it's about respect and how you behave. So as long as you respect us Finns and our culture, you are welcome. Heck, I do really dislike some Finns who behave badly. And I think we are much less racist than people generally make it seem like. Like of course there are racist people anywhere. Plus people here are more quiet anyways and usually keep their bad thoughts to themselves. Like it's hard for me to imagine someone shouting something racist at someone, unless they are drunk or something (it's still wrong but this was only an example). I really respect you and the way you see our nation, so thank you!!
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I hate when someone brings up African slave trade in Finland and try to accuse finns of it somehow. (not you ofcourse)
1: Finns had nothing to do with it. Lot of finns were slaved by russians in 18th century and transported to Russia. Look for Isoviha. So many finns were killed or slaved, that Pohjanmaa almost run out of people.
2: Slavery is not a white and black thing. Slavery has existed in every parts of the world.
3: The idea is racist. Just because finns have the same skin colour as some western people, doesn't mean finns had anything to do with it.
it's so funny. in america, finns were concidered "mongoloids" like 100 years ago, aka non-white. also, as you said, finns themselves have been colonized for a 1000 years about. our religion was forced out of us, and our language was not used in offical matters until independence basically. still, some people try to immitate americans and act out. it's very odd in the context of our country.
There is so much ignorance about the real history. About how many layers and how many complications. In every nook of the world there have been and are individuals who take advantage of other weaker (in some sense) persons. It is ugly and must be condemned. In Finland there are many traditions to stop persons who try to do harm to others. This can seem as taking away liberties, but basically it is about everbody's freedom. Like paying taxes, which is about mutual freedom and mutual obligations, a contract that we are in this together - every time you shop something or pay for a service, you pay taxes. Finand is expensive, but not racist. Some Finns are tax-cheaters, and some Finns are racists. But the Finnish society is still built on generosity, honesty, and solidarity. That is worthy of defending. It needed much caring, struggle and sacrifice, to make it what it is, it was not achieved without great efforts.
VERY Sorry to hear you are being blamed for slave trade. That one is 100% on us!
In schools we learn about slave trade. Both the Vikings, the triangle trade and slavery in the US.
The word slave refers to slavic people, and I'm afraid that could fall back on the Vikings favorit hunting areas. The slaves from Africa was not "stolen". They were bought from Africans.
As far as I've learned the Finns have got perfectly clean hands when it comes to trading black folks!
Peace and love from Denmark.
well said we are not racist here in Finland but worried what these illegal immigrants trying to influence in our society.. we Finns love our country and like to keep it Finnish , come and adapt and you're welcome.. @@ane-louisestampe7939
@@ane-louisestampe7939 Thank you!
You are sharing thoughts which I agree with.
but to lighten up,
you have beautiful teeth
.. and your giggle makes me smile
Thank you for your content , this is very interesting. I watched couple of videos from you, and I wrote down the writer you mentioned , Victor Franco, I am very interested about this book and am going to read it.I think most people just want to live their day to day life and survive from work, (unless worrying not having a job), they are tired because of work and all stuff happening in the world, they got no time or even interest to think about someone`s skin colour.There is Russia over the border, any country having same borders with Russia are most worried about that. Especially right now.
Nice to hear this (also the previous one), not so much that I'd be surprised of the content but I'm grateful this comes from the black guy living here. Analog with Japan was spot on!
I think that in Finland there are more Finnish people screaming about racism than actual racism... It feels it's just a way them to make themselves look better, a change to be "a better person". And sometimes this bunch gets so excited about their own goodness that they slip straight into reversed racism. It's making some other Finnish people angry (cause it is unfair, as it is) and people like me to feel second-hand embarrassment.
Probably this phenomenon (dumb Finns) has raised racism more than actual immigrants, at least they've always been the most loud to (white) blame the Finns who mostly are just worried about their own life and culture.
It's sad that just when Finns started to realize the beauty of their own original culture, suddenly it's getting mocked and discredited by our own people, for nothing, and they actually think themselves as some kind of metropolitans for it... 😐
I think a nation constantly wants to split “Good from bad”. It takes on an almost religious zeal. Any polarizing issue that walks through the countries front door whether it’s proper diet, modern science vs. Traditional ways, immigration vs. preservation. The wealthy , powerful and beautiful (feeling guilty) will try to align with all the “Good” ideas and anything that the ugly, poor, impotent Finns will don’t appreciate becomes “Good” and worshipped by the Elite.
Humans are constantly at war, the more diverse it is, the more War is clung to for desperately fearful religious people.
It won’t end well. We destroy each other or the government will come in and lock EVERYBODY down, well, mostly the proletariat (“ugly, dumb,poor, socially inferior”)
It’s Nature taking its bloody course.
People that believe in Utopias cause the most bloodshed.
My best friends back in late 80's were from ex Belgian Congo, you know Zaire back in the day. i don't know what it is now. I'm so sad that nowadays there are people that don't like people just because of skin color :(
When I was a kid before 90's, there were almost zero black people anywhere and I was living on a poor neighbourhood. It all changed insanely fast with early 90's Somalian crisis. From last years stats, majority of my old school students were non-native finnish speakers and the finnish wasn't even the main teaching language. Everyone I knew from that area, had to move away because people they didn't feel safe.
It's insanely hard to view northern countries race situation the same methods people view things in the US. There are a lot of racist in Finland, but it's totally different when comparing to other countries. It's clear that slavery hundreds of years ago have different outcome than immigration in the last 35 years. Fast changes brings a lot of negative sides. If the same amount of immigration happened over 100 year time period, the outcome would be totally different.
It is just so heartwarming to listen your talk. I am glad we got you here and part of our society. Like you said, we have new modern generation growing, we need guides like you on our journey.
The study that concluded Finland being the most racist country in Europe was a survey that simply asked if the respondent had experienced racism. The study also included only 12 of the 50 countries of Europe so it should be taken with great criticism. It is often the case that truly oppressed people lack the information or even vocabulary to express the discrimination they are facing. That's how it is with racism too. When it is talked about openly, more and more minorities are reporting racism even if nothing changes around them.
Your observations on Finnish culture are spot on. I don't think either that Finns are especially racist. On the contrary, I think they have a pretty high tolerance on how anyone can operate within their own space. It is when you enter another person's domain i.e. your actions concern another person, that certain rules are expected to be followed.
Very well spoken, wise words, smart guy!
Thanks for your input on Finland and our culture. Glad to hear you’ve got experience from Finns. Also good to remember that we all wade in the spectrum of brown -holla from art teacher
i only have problem with imigrants who take everything in Finnland for granted, and by that i mean people who move to Finnland just for social benefits and live by using kela, i appreciate imigrants that actually work and are not trying to change Finnish culture and religion, by that i mean Muslims
I think most of the -ism and -phobia words are mostly counterintuitive. It's just insane that if I mistake a chinese dish for a korean one, I'm now a "racist" all of a sudden, and on the same level as someone who thinks other races should be exterminated. A word with that vast a meaning is completely unusable. It's mostly proud people who are oblivious to the evil in their own heart who like to use these words to get to judge others, by dropping critical thinking and reverting to tribalism.
Generally we should be focusing on "treating others as we'd like to be treated". To use words like respect, kindness, hospitability, etc. to discuss behavioural conflicts, instead of jumping to such extreme judgements, of others and of the worldviews we've projected unto them.
Peace and love from Denmark.
I claim that Danes are not racist. What we are, is culture-etnocentrist.
I'm the first to complain about all the zenophobic comments, I hear here, but when it comes down to it, what I actually experience is this:
If you do your job decently, if you behave decently - AND are prepared to party and laugh (read: eat and drink ;-) with us, Jens, Frederik and Christian will defend your life - even though they "hate" foreigners.
Because, you're not a foreigner to the people you hang out with. You're a friend, a collegue, family or a neighbour.
Vi er et lille land med et lille sprog, men ja, hvis nogen kommer efter én af vores kolleger der kunne ske at hedde Abdul, så får de prygl.
Vi har slet ikke den samme sorte skyldfølelse som findes i f.eks. Amerika.
Men nogle af os kan godt føle sig sig truet af immigranterne...
Men lige nu er det jo en vanvittig tanke eftersom vi har mangel på arbejdskraft i begge ender, om det er i renovation, distribution eller læger... vi har brug for immigration.
Så er det rimelig ynkeligt hvis vi skal tænke på hvad farve folk har.
Men selvfølgelig skal vi prøve at bevare sproget, kulturen og det frie liv.
Immigrants like you give me hope that one day the "racist card" will go away and we can just live as we used to and those that want to move here and join us will accept us as how/what we are.
Like I can go out today and find a negative experience if I wanted to because I do know where to get those but I can also chose to avoid that place. My point is that you can seek for negativity or then you can avoid it and be happy with what you got, if you ain't happy then its probably time to search for it in another place or do a deep dive into yourself.
Today is Ystävän-päivä in Finland, not a singel one forgotten and left outside: send a message of friendship; that's so Finnish, not only romance counts, all good relationships count. But a song in English is for all; ruclips.net/video/dvvJ7MYaK8o/видео.html Friendly greetings, Chico!
I have to say that for us older people in Finland, the n-word is the same as Asian, Arab, Indian or even a Mediterranean person, so a general word, learned already as a child, then, when we know where that person came from, we say country, if we want to say it in a racist way , we have completely different words for that, so please don't judge us as racist just because we use those generic names
I am an older person too. Nowadays world is much more interconnected and you need to think more carefully considering how the receiver of your words or messages might interpret their meanings. That is difficult. If you used to need to know the cultural interpretations in different Finnish dialects and social groups, nowadays you better know similar things from different languages and cultures world wide - impossible in practice, but something to try anyway.
Culture and languages evolve and the relevant meanings, emphasis, interpretations are very context dependent.
One can say that the 1950 Finnish language could be used and understood exactly only then and not now since the current context and the meanings of the expressions and words have moved. I remember what N-word meant in our plays, playing outside with other children in 1950s. I remember how the interpretations have changed over the decades. I didn't like the fact that foreign cultures and their political problem had such effect on the interpretation of a simple Finnish word, even though it is a loan word originally.
But since words are about communication, I better think how the receiver of the message interprets it and not just my own thoughts. If I just talk to myself, then I can be more self centered and ignore others.
It's challenging this world wide intercultural communication.. but that is the world we have. It's also interesting and awarding in some ways. If you're just careful with context, communication is somewhat possible with reasonable accuracy.
How old are you? I haven’t heard my grandparents (born in 30s) or my parents (born in 50s) ever use that word 🤔
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Are you asking about the Finnish word neekeri and it's etymology or use and meanings throughout history?
There is a Wikipedia article about it.
It was somewhere around 1950s when it started to be considered improper probably because the similar worlds in other cultures had got more negative meanings. The word itself is at least a couple centuries older loan word ro Finnish from French. Its pronunciation and spelling is different, but the etymology can be recognized.
I agree that some elderly people still use the word in a totally neutral way but they are few and far between. Most people have learned in the last 30 years that it's not appropriate to use that word today. It didn't used to hold a negative meaning in Finland because we don't have any history of black people being thought as inferior just because of their skin colour. That connotation came later from other countries.
I grew up in Rovaniemi and I think I saw my first black person in the mid 90's. I know that there are still older people in Finland whom have never even met a person of a different race than theirs. It's a whole different situation when you see different kinds of people on a daily base than when a darker skin feels like a novelty to you.
It's always been racist. To you it's neutral only because racism was the norm
Great video yet again!
You have to face the fact that you started this all, so you are in "the society" now. What I mean by that is you you brought up something what we need here. And I'm glad of it. Continue something you started!
Wise word Chiko, very wise words.
I love the nuance you focused on, especially around differences between racism and xenophobia.
To be completely honest, the most common insult I hear in finland is homo and the most common denigrated people, in my opinion and from my exprience, are the swedes.
Exactly! Your point of view is same as i have. Only difference is that i am white Finn. You are like black version of me and my toughts 😄.
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That was so refreshing view to our culture. I'm old man, but I agree your thoughts. I don't care of the skin color, but I just care about behaviour. I would talk with you in the bus. If you just dare to sit next to me. :) Keep up with your vids. I like them a lot.
Lot of good truths in this video.
Its about carachter not about your skin color and its about respecting the land you live in not what you bring with you if its not fitting where you coming from. Like sharia law or non human rights
Very based and balanced take. Unfortunately everything is skewed to have political edge in power struggle. regular people are used as tools in that.
i do love ur videos about finland i hope i could meet u some day in finland if i can some coffee some where or .. not going to details but atm litle sick =)
Great monologue. I think it works in all of the Nordics, not just Finland.
Sure, we notice if you're not as pale as the majority... but we don't have the same fear as other countries... if any, it's the fear of the unknown.
So we'll defend a coloured colleague, we know well, just as much as a pale colleague or friend... we won't just pretend nothing happened.
Have a wonderful evening.
Wise words, Chico.
Thanks for these videos. Your common sense sanity sounds refreshingly empowering when compared to the distorted narrative that has taken hold of the discussion around racism, immigration policy, minorities etc. Racism exists everywhere and Finland isn't an exception. There are societal problems everywhere and Finland is't an exception. But as you said, assuming that what's relevant in the United States or South Africa applies elsewhere, let alone in a country such as Finland that has a completely different historical and soial context, is detrimental to tackling the real issues we should be paying attention to. No need to pretend that Finland is anything it isn't - but it's not the most racist country in Europe. No need to claim that Finland is free of the same problems other European countries are facing - but let's be real: even our right wing populists are tame when compared to their Italian, French, or even Swedish counterparts. We're going to have to solve a lot of problems right now and in the future, but let's try and solve the correct problems instead of imaginary ones.
What racism is and how it functions is very different depending on the location. American views dominate in culture, but are mostly irrelevant elsewhere. We have strong prejudices against "outsiders" (much like the japanese do), but here it's relatively easy to cross that line with any behavior perceived good or just familiar to us. The kind of ingrained racism that one might find in the US is rather uncommon. I've known people who have said very racist and ignorant things while having for example black colleagues or acquaintances they really liked and considered differently. It's also too easy to cross the line to the other side so be very loud in a bus with your black friends and you might get looks that are worse than the normal judgement of poorly behaving youth.
Moving to another country is a bit like starting a new job. You have to work for your reputation from scratch, get to know your new environment, figure out how to fit in, how to balance your individualism with the interests of the group and eventually earn the respect of your colleagues and boss. And of course not every workplace is perfect, some are more welcoming, some can be hostile, but if you just go in there and start forcing your own ways on everyone around, then guess what, everybody's going to hate you. And it will have nothing to do with your skin colour or the place you were born in.
Finland racist? Whoever claims this - I invite them to Poland. Racist treatment guaranteed here.
If you an immigrant who speaks fluent English, especially more fluent than Finns, you are usually perceived in a very different category than those immigrants who don't. The racism in Finland is usually more about culture than race (skin colour), as an African university exchange student with fluent English is likely perceived a lot more positively than a summer-time beggar from the Balkans or even someone from the native Romani population.
Thanks for your wise words! 🤗
Finland is indeed one of the darkest places one can find themselves 😅
I think many 50-60 years and older Finns carry racist attitudes that they've grown up with. But at the same time they revere the Finnish ethos of independence. So they will have a negative disposition towards black people, but at the same time they can really respect and appreciate it if they see a black person who's learned finnish and works a job, knowing it's a great undertaking for a outsider.
Naah, I'm 54, had a black girlfriend one time, also dated another. Not in the same time though lol. Most of my friends are 50-60 years or older, no racists there. My dad died when he was 87, we travelled together few times, also in Africa, he was a real people lover and just didn't care about the race one bit. Only racist I know is my mom.
I doubt that many 60 year old Finnish people have grown up with racism towards black people. There were practically no black people in Finland when they grew up so why would they? In fact black people were seen as a novelty and seen positively here.
When we held the olympics in 1952 the biggest news paper in Finland wrote a positive article about the first black person in Finland because Finns didn't have a negative view of the black people back then. Finns only started to get a negative view of the black people when we started to get more and more Somalian refugees in the late 90's and early 2000's. But even that was not about their skin colour but more about their culture.
In history Finns have always been a bit xenophobic for a good reason. We were the oppressed ones for centuries and that naturally creates the fear of the foreign and unknown. But xenophobia is a different thing than racism.
There were two groups that you could argue that Finns were racist towards in the past and one of them still today. The Sami people and the Roma (Romanit) but even there it was not purely about the skin colour but about their culture, so more xenophobia than purely racism.
im pretty judgemental on race but i dont make life hard for those who dont deserve it or show my general dislike towards them, cant help but show respect back to a respectful person
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There is a law that president of Finland must be born in Finland. In this case we could change the law ( only if you will change your name Chico Myua to ”Simo Muikku” ). Vote Simo. Chico for president!
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So pls stay home in South-Africa if it bothers.