Orks! Learn to Play the Dread Mob in Warhammer 40k!
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2024
- Lets go through Dread Mob! How the heck do we maximize this detachments power so we can bring the Krump!?
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Got my first 2 games using dread mob! Felt good dealing 14 damage to a ctan with a morkanaut and 2cp. Worth it!
Spicy! Heck yeah man!
Hi! I just read everywhere, that everybody uses mainly Morkanaut. But why? Gorkanaut sucks?
@@norberyto Theyre both great, Morkanauts just have a 5up invul so its a safer option. And their guns are pretty scary when buffed with a mek, DDD and BSFBG stratagem.
For Bigger shells fir Bigger Gitz. "... add one to the damage characteristics of THAT attack..."
I am fairly certain "THAT" refers to the attack made to a monster or vehicles. 12:00
and so the arguing begins!
Yeah it's RAW VS RAI .some power players will use this to take advantage..like krumper wants
@@Makarislethal Bleh, gw rights super loose rules and then refuses to publish any real way to even parse through RAI outside of “roll off”
Like gaz still can’t fit in a battle wagon with two meganobz after two? three? adjustments? and it’s still not possible when it seems to be what a battle waggon and 2 manz is for…
@@Gw2Zokesure or you can just play the rule as the less powerful version and not try to read between the lines for a advantage
I do understand RAW it can be +1 damage on anything as krumper said
Yooo I'm actually playing my first game(s) with dread mob this weekend - this video literally couldn't have been more asked for! Legend, you are
Fantastic!!! Looking forward to hearing about your Krump!
Same! Thanks for the great content and please keep it up.
If they had allowed the big mek to attach to killa kans… they’d solve his data sheet.
could you imagine? haha that would be freaking sick
That’s what I was thinking since they added all the grot keywords and removed the big mek w/ kustom force field… as well the new big mek is in exo walker suit.. would make so much sense.
Yay! I'm loving this series! I know this an Ork aligned channel, but will you be doing videos like this when the other factions codecies release? I want to know more about my enemiezzz
perhaps!
Perfect timing, just ordered some extra kans, and kitbashing some additional meks.
the Kans rock
Great channel! Keep on bringing it!
Cheers my man! I will
We do NOT get +1d against non vehicles. Until the end of the phase, each Time a model in your unit makes an attack against a monster or vehicle, add one to the wound roll. If you choose to push it, add one to the damage of THAT attack and, until the end of the phase weapons have hazardous. That attack clearly referring to the last attack which targeted a monster or vehicle. I love playing orks and it would be nice if it wasn't the case but grammatically it's correct.
this is the argument
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007the name is a clue.
You need bigger bullets to shoot bigger targets. The big gits being monsters and vehicles.
This to me makes it clear how it's supposed to work, even if the technical rules wording could be argued either way.
Awesome video my friend, as always! Quick question? You get to choose/press the button per each weapon of a unit or just once per unit and all weapons in that unit will benefit from that specific buff?
once per unit!
I appreciate the insights so much, especially the grot tactics.
I'm personally intrigued by the possibilities of a 20-boy unit with the new Big Mek and either a Warboss or a Painboy.
With Dread Mob we have so many things that eat CP, it would be good to have a high OC, reasonably mobile problem solver unit to contest objectives and unleash a surprisingly decent amount of dakka without stratagem support.
Boys vsn only have 2 leaders with them if one is a warboss so no mek/painboss combo sadly :)
@@kieranduchayla6657 Good catch!
Great detachment.. I’ve always had a Mek Shooty Army but now it’s finally good. Had deal w/ many haters before lol. So bummed tho from the FW mini removed from this edition was going to rock x2 Mega Dreads x1 Meka Dread x2 Grot Mega Tanks and x8 Grot tanks.. got em all from GW through out the years..
the grot tanks are certainly a bummer!
I was planning to put a mek with lootas to put inside a morkanaut since leaving a transport doesn’t mess with heavy
I find that if you get a double hazardous, the best thing to do is add more hazardous with stratagems to make it "worth" the loss to units, since you are "capped" at hazardous on 1-2, no matter how many sources of hazardous you have (I got 4 on one)
i mean you are basically just accepting that it is a suicide unit
Played Kult of speed against Dread mob over weekend.... Got Krumped good! Was like an Orks knights list with lone op Meks. very fun game
I adore the options in our new codex, even out "less good" detachments are super playable
Good info.
With the lootas math you outlined, were you choosing Lethal or Sustained?
it effectively makes no difference, it changes the total damage by .3
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 Would it be worth it to roll for buff and bank on a 66% chance to get Sustained or Lethal?
Or is the drop off if you get AP on Crit Wounds so bad that it craters the purpose of the unit if you do get that option 1/3rd of the time?
yeah, if you roll ap on crit wounds, the strategy is defunkt
great video! I would love if you did a sample 1000 pt and 1500 pt list focusing on what makes the final cuts, need to have vs nice to haves. Buying and painting 2k of dread mob and kult of speed in particular is a HUGE endeavor and testing a smaller list can let us Warbosses know how this feels and plays. I already can make any 2k list of Bully boyz, green tide, war horde, and great hunt since I have a ton of boyz, nobs, megas, and beast snaggas built and painted already.
Hey bud thanks for the support! I do not play 1k as the game is quite broken at that points level. I recommend people only play lower points in order to learn the mechanics of the game!
9 games in with Dread mob so far. Made top half at a GT. Played against knights 3/5 games. Love my killa Kans and loota bomb.
Dope!
Question, would you go for 10 lootas with a mek, and git finda goggles, over 2 Mek Gunz with mek with git finda goggles? I say 2 because the price range is the same. Or hell 3 Mek Gunz with Git finda goggles.
I have been using 3 Mek Gunz (which are a bit more expensive than 10 lootas ofc) with KMK + Shokk attack gun mek with git finda goggles, and they did gods work. Of course they were slow, but they kept shooting at models on a specific objective.
I feel like they can do the same work the lootas can, in that you can take both in to reserve and come out. the KMK with AP1 is identical to lootas when both use the Git Finda Goggles, the only difference is, you NEED to stack +1 to wound on lootas to kill vehicles, but you dont need that on the Mek Gunz.
Whatever you want tbh Lootas dont require the Dakka strat, where your Mek Guns will
I know you focus on the tournament scene, which doesn't allow legends. But in local small tournaments that do allow them, and friendly games, any thoughts on grot tanks and mega grot tanks? A unit of 8 grot tanks with rokkits seems like an even greater place for the stratagems than the killa kans.
problem with legens is that it does allow badrukk back into the game, and with discounted flash gitz that seems very broken :S
yeah i mean in legends tons of stuff becomes super busted haha, but yeah grot tanks for dayz there
Great video, I did want to point out you have misrepresented keywords here and how they work. When a key word is in bold it is looking at all keywords on a data sheet to make it work so Mek guns have the grot and vehicle so it is a grot vehicle. If use the way you described nothing in the codex would work using a deffdread as an example it hasn’t got the Ork Walker keyword as it doesn’t exist but it have Ork and Walker so it is an Ork Walker
Every unit in the codex has the ORKS faction Keyword bud. page 77. Faction ORKS
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 yes they do have that keyword and that is still a separate keyword it’s the faction keyword like each datasheet has different keywords, As shown on page 5 of the core rules. This is also covered more independent and highlighted in the rules commentary and searchable on the app under “keywords” champ.
i think this list might be 2005 points? isn't the Big Mek and enhancement 115 points?
if i miss calculated something, its an easy fix
Again! THanks for your work! May the Gork n" Mork be with you! So you think this "grots vehicle" is just some error? Couse I dont understand too. :D But that mean, all vehicle keyworded unit can benefit from detachment rule? (Sorry for bad english, Im not native speaker. :D )
Hey NO! Not all vehicles, it is specifically, Walkers, Meks, or Grots Vehicles. I would play Mek Gunz as having the Grots Vehicle keyword as it seems about 100% obvious that was an error. But other vehicles absolutely DO NOT benefit from the detachment.
Thanks for the overview, but kinda wish you'd go over some things instead of skipping them. Why shouldn't Nobz go with a leader? I understand the Stompa isn't competitive, but how can it best be used?
I said how to use the Stompa pretty clearly in the video, park it in the place that gives it the best LOS of the field, buff it with rr's, and have a Mek next to it.
Nobz should 100% go with a leader, they just shouldn't take a Mek with a leader. They always want a warboss. I cannot teach every detail of the game in every video :)
Hahaha I am going to play Dread Mob tonight against a friend who did put a 6 Dreadnaught + Canis Rex in a Space Marine list and I am literally do everything you shouldn't. 2 Deff Dreads, one with 4 KMB, Morkanaut and a Stompa but it is really only for fun and we want to see big Mech brawls :)
Edit, forgot the importan part. Keep going mate love every minute of your content!
haha cheers buddy, I hope the waaagh is in your favor here!
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 Haha it is a good scrap I am sure but I guess it will be a short game after all. Haha
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007Update. Waaagh was on point. I smashed it. Stompa coming from reserve to avoid terrain issues (GW Layout) was absolute bonkers. One shoted Canis Rex with the best roll on the Deff Kanon I ever had. 18 shots, Dakka Dakka Dakka, Bigger Shells and the Mek buffed the big guy to obscenely damage output. In the end it was a matched play with absolutely none compatible lists but hell was it fun.
Thank you for all the tips.
I wondered about the press it fasta Enhancement but I see that it specifies "when rolling"
yeah, sad
I must be one of the only people who actually thinks it makes total sense for BSFBG to work RAW. If I'm shootin beakies I need bigger dakka than if I'm shootin knife ears and grots.
you are certainly not one of the only ones! There are many people on both sides, I myself prefer to wait for an FAQ before i get militant about it :)
For the list trukk in guessing for the meganobz and bmima u can only but in 5 meganobz and bmima
12 slots, each one of those take up 2 slots :)
What would a 1000 point list look like?😊
dunno, i dont play 1k
Why are the lootas led by a mek? Don't they have the rerolls of 1 already? I'm new to orks and my new codex hasn't arrived so maybe the answer lies there but if anyone can fill me in
With a Mek you can your the detachment rules (press button) for lootas too
the mek keyword is required to access the detachment rule and the stratagems, as without the Mek Keyword, the unit cannot use those abilities
Maybe grots vehicle was for tanks and megatanks before they decided to remove them?? Also mek gun :/
GW making silly writing errors is all, its just funny
Grots Vehicle is "Grots" and "Vehicle"
yep
So Mek Gunz are covered ;)
Rip meganobz
pour one out for your homies
What do you mean by AOC?
Armor of Contempt, it is a very common stratagem which reduces AP by 1.
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 thank you! Not played against marines before
You mention almost always wanting to take sustained. Is this because you're expecting to have strength over the opponent's toughness? My understanding is that Sustained is always better when you're wounding on 3+ or better, and Lethals are always better if you're wounding on 5+ or better.
the assumption is you will be using BSFBG to have +1 to wound against tough targets :)
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 Ah, fair enough. So you'd still want to go for Lethals if you're using the strat on another unit that turn, or if you'd normally be wounding on 6es.
Hi, Art of war, vanguard tactics put orks in S tier, i just cant see it. Sure meganobz got better but they dont do much more dmg, they got more tanky. Nobz got a slight nerf Squighogboyz got nerfs. I watched the wargames live and tactical tortoise streams from The Richmond GT in the US. Best ork player was at place 14 second was at place 40 or something. We got some nice detachements sure but i dont see us taking over the meta. Maybe greentide would work well but yeah. whats your take? Love your videos btw.
Yeah i disagree with both of them. One thing to note, while the players at AOW are amazing, the main guys are not Orks players. so i tend to disagree with them alot about orks. I for one think orks are definitely A tier, super good, but not broken. I will say megas likely need to go up by 5 points.
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007good, so its not just me that has a sound view on things. But im happy to be proven wrong. But i would also say A tier. Probably better than our 47% at the moment. Thank you for the answer.
I mean grot tanks and mega tanks get grot vehicle keywords
they are legends bud. i do not ever talk about legends units on this channel
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 a shame. Seems silly GW makes their own units redundant. I can't imagine most opponents have an issue with legends units
Why would having keywords Grots and Vehicle not count? Who said it's got to be a combined keyword? Mek Gunz absolutely must count for Press Dat Button. Deffkoptas are Vehicle but not Grots, so they don't get included but can instead thrive in Kult of Speed.
because English rules. Grots, Vehicle. Is not the same thing as Grots Vehicle. Just from a grammar perspective. Which changes things. That being said, its pretty clearly intended to be written that way, which is the point. However there have been plenty of cases where GW has rules against the obvious interpretation, which is why we annoyingly have to have these discussions
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007the rules commentary says you just need to have the two words in your keywords list. The example they give (Aeldari Gaurdians) are likewise not on any actual unit in that single statement.
By your rules interpretation, the Dread Mob would not effect any kan unit, because there are not any Ork Walkers in the game either, but there are units that have the walker and ork keywords.
Really not understanding the discrepancy with BS4BG. The rules seem clear to me.
its not to myself or other people :) thats why it needs addressing
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007It's clear. You just want it to be extra damage for anyone so you're playing into a silly argument.
if a T.O allows it sure but if you're playing pick up games and using this against elite infantry you're being janky
You don't think ghaz should go in a wagon with 2 bodyguards but this confuses you? Sure lol
you understand this is a competitive channel right? Why would you be upset with me for teaching people competitive play?
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007you're doing gork/ morks work
You're the best. You're not encouraging a shady way to play ,just stating the fact .
Never mad at you . I just disagree and that's fine. You literally told us to comment on your video. I commented
Fair play sir!
The controversy about the "Bigger Shells For Bigger Gitz" doesn't make any sense to me.
If i think pure wording, then yeah we can have a debate.
If i think about the spirit of the rule, which is being better against vehicle and monsters then no, it just doesn't make sense for it to apply to anything else.
you need to think about pure wording. intent is subjective
Most of the Ork community will agree with you and anyone who's playing Orks to power play like krumper is suggesting is sus at best
Gonna argue for the sake of arguing but Ork walker doesnt exist either in the keywords. Orks is the faction keyword only. Everything else has walker part only so nothing "technically" works apart from mek units. We know this is wrong besides none of the words in the detachment description were in bold so its not refuring directly to the key word.
we are not arguing i think haha, we are both saying its a stupid oversite by GW
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 yeah its dull, what should have said was im playing devils advocate instead lol
Had a discussion on this yesterday.
Orks isn't a keyword so until it is, Kans get Klanking Klaws which is really good for them
Orks is 100% a keyword, its a faction keyword which applies to everything in the faction
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 Except, Its not written as a keyword mate.
Old school rules had grots miss out on Waagh due to "not being Orks", this doesn't apply as Orks refer to the army.... (but not as a keyword since it doesn't exist as a keyword)
I think this video has just as much silly controversy as information. The comments themselves reflect that. I dont think anyone should encourage or pretend that big shells is confusing.
It sounds like arguing for a slight advantage
I guess this is one way to get GW's attention
No sir, there are many times when people get upset at their opponents for having a different rules understanding then they have. Some times this is because your opponent just does not know the rules, other times it is because the rule is not clearly written. This is one of those scenarios, it is important to know this, so you do not argue with your opponent, because neither one of you are actually wrong, so there is no reason to waste time arguing and potentially getting upset. Just ask the TO until GW clearly writes the rules. Other game systems have no issue writing clear rules, and GW does a good job of fixing these, but for now, it 100% is not clear.
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007if you're at a event sure ,yet the majority of games in 40k aren't at a event and encouraging the less informed "less skilled players as you say " to understand the rule as RAW can absolutely lead to a feels bad if you're playing a casual game..so it's always best to encourage playing rules that aren't to your advantage when unclear, yet you made it seem indifferent.
Yes a T.O can make the choice for you but for everyone else ? You're saying just dunk on casuals if they don't correct us . Nah playa
Anyone who's playing " big shells" to take advantage of getting +1 damage against anything not a monster or Vehicle isnt really a Ork player.
Hes just a happy krumper custodians cosplaying as a ork 😅
lol okay
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007Krumpin
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh
There's no "ork infantry" keyword either, they're "ork" and "infantry" but no "ork infantry" so I guess trukks technically can't carry anything.
That or you shouldn't be suggesting mek guns aren't grot vehicles...
Yep, exactly. The Mek Gunz have the "Grots" and "Vehicle" keywords now, so they work with Dread Mob just fine. Your example of Trukks and Ork Infantry is perfect.
Did you listen to what i said lol? I laughed at the writing error, and said it clearly is intended to work that way
@Happykrumpinwargaming007 I did. You shouldn't have brought it up or explained how keywords actually work cause by raw this is a non-issue. It's not a writing error, no one can make this argument on raw grounds, and you shouldn't be acting like they can even if you encourage people to just bluster through them.
thanks for telling me how to make my content, lol cheers
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 Thanks for telling me a guy who spams the sub with rules and strat vids is just another worthless content mill I'll be sure to downvote from now on.
kanz are a trap, dread mob work better without them
dread mob doesn't work well period lol. At least on the competitive stage
All of the 10th edition detachments are trash and dread mob is the worst one of all the trash.
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@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 nah, im done with GW products anyway. Just like most of the old fans of this game. GW is a dead company.