tbh this applies to any activity that cannot be objectively measured (unlike output of software, for example): "just make it better" or "I'll know it when I see it" are inefficient to steer the direction towards the expected outcome.
Wisdom. I had some limited experience before I discovered Film Riot, but I have gained far more knowledge from watching these bros and bro-etts than I ever did taking classes.
Why not? It's their fucking job and they get paid well to do it. I'm so sick of all this actor coddling, I work in the film industry and Actors are the least prepared, and least interested of everyone on set.
Shady Lurker, it’s not helpful because that leads to the inevitable response: Okay, but better how? You may get better, but not the better that you want.
@@ShadyLurker16 Inexperienced directors often give vague instructions to cast and crew leading to confusion and misinterpretation. In my experience, until you can express what you specifically want from a member of your production, you're better off not speaking. Sometimes no direction is better than bad direction. I primarily shoot corporate commercial work and independent films so my advice is limited to my experience in the midwest.
I’ve alway been a filmmaker, but took my first acting class in college and was humbled about how difficult it is to act. Such a fun and difficult art form.
It’s very easy to act. If it’s hard you aren’t meant to be acting... there is no sense in pretending like pretending is hard when it comes down to a personal preference which is often immeasurable
@@randomdude189 You think acting is "pretending"? Lol. You obviously have NEVER been onstage beyond high school, or been a lead in a studio film.Good luck with whatever you do as a career pal.
Random Dude there are levels to acting. Anyone can remember a line or two and “perform”. I do that. Acting is a craft that’s difficult to master. I strongly disagree with you.
You can see around million videos on transitions, masking gear review, etc on youtube but there are only few youtube channels that actually pay attention to directing, writing and editing. Good job, film riot!
Thanks for doing this episode! The actual craft of collaborating with the actors gets so overlooked among all the instructions for camera shots, coverage, shooting pace, etc. Great to get such a focused take on the subject!
For the most part they are living in two different worlds. Director is thinking “the whole film” and actors “the scene” also actors don’t have the back end of production deadlines, budget, schedule and crew on their mind. I do believe actors do need to understand the whole picture a bit. It is hard to be creative under stress and harder to communicate subtle nuances under stress in concise terms. If you have questions, ask.
Yeah but your job as a director is to not let them feel your stress. Handling that whole circus is your job, not theirs. Ofc being a good actor is also to some extend being easy to work with and not being extra, but channelling those emotions despite thousand lights shining and people staring etc. is really hard. So in my mind directing is like preparing a playing field for all your crew and cast to shine on...
@@Rob_-dv6ei Based on what I know of the original movie, what actors have said, and given the different tones...I'd think some would want a bit more direction or feedback.
@@LuckyDogProductions If it's the go-to direction for majority of the scenes, not really. I have to reread the early production books on the original Star Wars film (even though I'm kinda burned out with SW due to Disney's involvement) but I vaguely recall Hamill or one of the other actors seeking a bit more feedback when that particularl direction was given.
MrKirk2019 that's very interesting. To clarify, I meant it's ok "if you're in a hurry", not as a format for direction. George Lucas always said he hated directing, hence why the Return Of The Jedi was directed by someone else.
“You’re gonna do it like that..?” “Lets do another one, this time, do it like i said” “What are you doing” “Just do it like it’s written” “ **turns to producer** we can edit around that” “ **whispers to 1st AD who then calls for a break** ” “You’re not listening” “That’s usable” **gives terrible line reading** “Another one for safety” (just kidding)
The worst note I’ve ever given was on my First feature film. I asked the actress to “turn her head without moving her neck.” We all instantly burst into laughter because how utterly terrible it was.
I was told not to blink when someone threw water at my face. DP didn't believe me that this wasn't possible, I kept saying nope, can't be done, it's a reflex. DP disappeared for a mo, returned with a wet face and agreed that it was impossible.
There are sooo many golden nuggets in this video... like a semester of film school in ten minutes. Definitely going to be coming back to this over and over again!
Total agreement with those that have talked about taking an acting class! That along with acting in projects, even if they are small roles, will definitely help. I've also found that doing background work on larger scale productions can be incredibly insightful.
This is really great info, I love hearing what is helpful from the other side of the table. This doesn't apply to professional actors, but I would say being a "sock puppet" director is a different story when working with non-actors (like maybe if you've recruited friends or family to be in your film). I've done a little more commercial/corporate work the last few years, and man, most people are so uncomfortable in front of the camera. They shrink up. Showing them how to say something or how "big" they can make it can definitely help them feel a bit more comfortable. Edit: And of course Film Riot did a video all about this already a while back, "How to Direct New Actors" 😅
This is great! So many different TYPES of directors, some are all about the gear, the story, or just the performance and has no idea how a camera works, it really can be a mixed bag. Some of the best directors I worked with well have acted in the past, so they know how to approach the job of the actor director partnership. You guys are a great service, thank you.
It helps for the director to have an idea about all aspects, including the acting. They don't have to be experts at everything, but sufficiently knowledgeable to understand that there are things they may need to allow others to be better at.
I've been a long time Film Riot subscriber and this is one of my favorite episodes ever, i think this is a topic that doesn't get much talk. Thanks for so much years of knowledge and keep it coming. Stay safe.
Lol when the dude from Pitch Perfect referred to the undisclosed director as "her" that just gave it away that he's talking about Elizabeth Banks. Plus he said the scene was loud!!
Love it! I am looking forward to more of these "learning to be a director" videos. There are like billion videos about how to light a scene or how to figure out Premier-AfterEffects-and-why-not-switch-to-Resolve or how to move your camera with anamorphic lens from 1970s, but the very core of movie-making, the directing, is totally neglected.
One thing Mccune & I don't see eye to eye on.. it's one thing to coddle actors, in order to get what you want from their performance, but I (the director) am not in charge of YOUR personal life. No matter what job you have, no matter what position you hold, YOU (in this case, the actor) need to pull your big people panties back on, and maintain a professional demeanor. I get if you're a lil off your game, and not in the right headspace, but don't expect the director to also be a psychiatrist... if anything, in a primal sich, both director & actor would have.created a strong enough work bond, they would see the opportunity to use whatever emotions/reactions the actor is feeling from their life, as a tool to put into their character's current scene situation.
Technically yes, but the director-actor relationship is not the same as a boss-employee one. You need to have diplomacy when dealing with your actors - even indulging some of their whims and stuff. Remember, anyone on set can be replaced, except the talent.
I can agree with what you said actually. I was mostly speaking to people who don’t even consider that as an aspect of the story telling process. You can have a brilliant story and a fantastic actor who raked in cash to fund you, but if they need vulnerability one day, and you make them feel shitty about that and can’t communicate with them THROUGH that issue, you may I’ve lost your meal ticket and THAT is something a director has control over. So it’s important to take that control seriously. How you respond is everything. A director makes or breaks a film with casting people who can hear them first. You need to learn how to speak to each other regardless of how emotional someone can be, and besides you’re hiring people who’s specialty is HAVING THESE emotions. Use it right, or it won’t get used and THAT HUSTE is the directors job. All I mean to imply is that if some one does not have the tools they need one day, and you act poorly, they will only work against you if ALSO don’t have the tools. What you said is an Exceptionally important perspective for actors though. We gotta respect the hustle with our job responsibilities and relationships by knowing our shit, taking care of our shit and being on time. thank you for your thoughts, I think you added a lot to the conversation!
Disagree. If you don't work WITH your actor, collaborate with him/her, you will not get a great performance, or even a good one. You gotta deal with what you have. Especially in zero budget films. If things fall into place, you are kind, empathetic, but firm and manage time well, you can get a good performance out of most people who are willing to try.
@@JamesAllenMcCuneOops Wow! I, actually, want to thank YOU for taking the time to not only clear up a misunderstanding, but also to give me valuable input about the necessity for really LISTENING (particularly to what's going on in an actor's head); especially if they're experiencing a bad day, before even responding at all. I've just come across so many "Whaaaaaah!" actors, in my life, who think that bec they're the talent, they're somehow irreplaceable & can get away with irresponsible behavior. But I absolutely agree that directors DO have the role of getting the actor to work through personal emotion & utilize it, if they can, for the benefit of the character's journey in the storyline. And yes, directors will only shoot themselves in the foot if they barrade the people that are there to make their story come alive. I value communication; so it's nice to hear from another POV. Thank you for your integrity, in creating a space of respect for others; even when they don't (initially) agree with you. 🙂 👍 I'd work with you, any day.
The new web site looks great! I think Stefanie Butler said it the best. Specificity is key. Having been both an actor and now a director myself, being specific in what you want as a director is extremely helpful. Also, remember, actors crave praise. Not in a bad way (mostly) but they need some kind of positive reinforcement that they are giving you what you need. I've worked with a few directors in the past who wouldn't say anything to me unless I was not giving them what they needed, which was always nerve racking. However, they always gave me at least some positive feed back at the end of the day. Even if it's a, "Good Job today", that's still help full to an actor in the long run.
For me as an actor few of the worst things I have experienced are 1) director enacting a scene and asking and expecting u to do exactly what he has done it's basically he wants u to imitate him 2) the director laughing, commenting n t video room or to AD's etc. Instead of talking to u while the shot is going on or just as the shot is over 3) when an actor tells a director I want to try something never scoff or ridicule him or guffaw sometimes that may be the best take 4) yelling or shouting at or to an actor if u don't get the desired acting This is just my personal opinion but it may be different for different actors. May be for better actors than me such things wudnt matter at all
I watched one director over a three day high budget commercial shoot at a certain location do 30-50 takes of EVERYTHING. No additional directing, no adjustments to what actors were doing, no tweaks, no comments, just the same thing over and over 30 + times for every little shot
That was an excellent video and I can see a great number of similar videos. It was a real experience learning from actors who just wanted to pass along some perspective. Wonderfully done!
It's great to learn about actors and the film world....this relates to being a singer in the vocal booth too...nice bunch of artists interviewed. I am looking forward to more of these interviews
@@randomdude189 Yeah, when uou're in high school snd working at MacDonalds, you should hold off on your dreams until you set up an LLC, get E&O insurance, hire a payroll firm...
@@randomdude189 Yeah, when uou're in high school snd working at MacDonalds, you should hold off on your dreams until you set up an LLC, get E&O insurance, hire a payroll firm...
hey Stefanie: if you had worked with Kubrick, you'd think he were an amateur or new to directing. He was known for his laconic, concise direction with vague words including "different" and "more interesting". He basically put it all into the actors' hands, get multiple takes, not know exactly what he wants all the time, and then essentially find what works in the performances. I can see how that would be frustrating, but it's also an acknowledgement that art can go in amazing directions in the right circumstances.
As a trained actor who's also entered the directing realm, something that I've made sure to do is learn to shut up. As an artist, we love talking about our vision, what I had to remind myself of was that this actor is an artist with vision and creativity too. So I give them my direction/notes/thoughts, then learn to shut up, don't over explain, don't talk so much. Let them process your words and bring their art forward.
This really is helpful. I'm always looking for feedback (as a director) as much as the actors are. I love the collaboration process in order to get those really special moments on screen. If something isn't vibing, I want to know why and I want to help it! The set really is a safe space, and I think that doesn't get understood as much. And I want to treat it like that!
I'd say : should. Its like running an hotel, if you haven't spend a shift in every positions before you can't understand what the problems at their level are. I'm lucky to never have seen an actor being bashed without respect like that on set....yet. Actors are a living being who can shape-shifting, its not a machine which does the thing when you press this or that. I wonder if there is a serious meeting between director and cast, one on one to get down to the core of the character they will want on the screen....ive seen mood being in the way of an actors job though , and James analogy with the spiral is true.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 use the nervosité as fuel for emotions. Do not use your brain. If your lines are in and you know the emotional tone of your scene, you have all you need. Just ride that with emotions and the text. Be dont act. Its the hardest step to conquer, the loss of ego and becoming a vessel. As a (stupid) image which helped me, its like a pilot in F1, the car is the one with power and handling, the pilot is the user of that power. His job is just drive it to the max let the car do the job. He's not pushing the car to make it go fast. Your body and emotions are the car and the brain is your pilot. Just drive: know your lines and the emotions you need to express. The car, your body, your instrument to act will do the work . If you think, you pollute the body and the emotion feels forced to the audience. For me it unlocked when i reached 40.....I'm not an actor, i did 3 years of acting school but never got the courage to put my face out there so all i can tell you its what ive found practicing over the years.....i hope it helped. If not, smh 😅
Love the guy but also, not entirely sure I agree 100% with Mark Ashworth and his points on "sock puppet" directors. In some instances... SOME... a director does need an actor to say a line a certain way. Actors are talent employed to fulfill a directors vision. I'm an actor. I've done a ton of commercials, I'm in some shows on Netflix and Amazon however the success or failure rises and falls on the director. Actors definitely shouldn't be stifled and do need encouragement but they also need to be malleable with the directors overall vision. My opinion, but it's what's worked for me over the years. :)
I was waiting for an episode like that for soo long and you uploaded it one week before my (real) first short film 😍. Thanks a lot for the content you provide it's always hepful (even if it's waay to short, I could watch these for hours xD)! I'm not very into posting comment but I really needed to say that ahaha. Have a great day !
Great lessons here. I always try to be respectful and attentive to actors, but it can be a little bit harder when I'm in the heat of the moment. That is why I take moments with my actors during shooting just to discuss things which may or may not be related to the film we are doing.
Yooo this was so helpful! I'm going to direct a few actors for the first time later this year (if Vorona let's me), so I'm gettin' a little nervous wether or not I'm capable of doing my job😬 Thank you! :)
Thanks, I enjoyed that. I agree to an extent that a director should get in the mud , but perhaps not in it but the edge as they do still need to keep the numbers, timings and all the other things in their thoughts as well. I would love to see the same thing but from a directors point of view. As an aside, I watched this with my wife who is a counsellor who pointed out the similarities between her role and that of a director. Having to hold both the actor and their characters, empathising with them and their dynamics. Holding the character’s emotions whilst remaining grounded enough to draw the best performance and yes positive communication.
In all fairness I think this video is more general director directions - massively helpful by the way, really great. However, according to Sam Mendes (1917, Skyfall, American Beauty) bear in mind that when you get know the actors well you can give more weird directions - in the heat of the moment he says how when there's not much time you could go "25% more" or "50% less". Really insightful, guys.
I’ve always been told to read the work, say the words, visualize and practice speaking your thoughts accurately, respectfully, and concisely. If you know where we are going and how to get there, getting to the destination will be easy and a joyous one.
9:44 Communication. Respect and Hustle goes for ALL crew. I'm looking at you too, actors. I'm a 1st AC, actors are generally given far more respect than the rest of us crew. But that applies to all of us, the day runs best at all hours whether it's hour 2 or 14, to have respect, communication and hustle. Anyone who starts yelling is just an absolute gorilla oaf and the rest of the crew makes fun of them behind their back. Anyone who's new to set and has a short fuse, keep that in mind when you feel the urge to be a 4 year old and get frustrated at someone. Anyone who barks orders these days has their name smeared. The industry is big but the word of mouth is fast, don't shoot yourself in the foot. That type of behavior has finally died, these old fogeys who still attempt it are finally getting weeded out. RESPECT above all, TO all. PA's especially!
Saying "be more angry" or "be less sad is another bad way to direct. It just doesn't mean anything. Great video as always. Thanks for all the great content as usual!
James Allen McCune gave some really solid and insightful advice. The others were also insightful but felt a little more anecdotal and vague, where as McCune got right down to the WHY of it. I just registered with it more, I guess.
@@JamesAllenMcCuneOops Wow, You're Welcome! You're words just really vibed with me about the personal responsibility of emotions on both sides. I've been taking acting classes in Atlanta for a about 2 years now and that lesson of mutual respect of everyone's time and how it does or does not relate to your ego is something I hear from my coach a lot. Not to put the Actor™ on a special pedestal, but recognizing it's a _weird_ job that *requires* working in a _weird_ headspace. As an actor, you're both a tool the director/writer/whoever is using to sell a product/scene/message while also being _unique_ in bringing something to the table no one else can (because they hired _you_ and not someone else.) IDK, I just really liked how you broke it down so understandably for people who wouldn't instinctively recognize the actor's headspace, _through no fault of their own._ Keep up the good work, man, and have a great day.
This was GREAT FUN even just for us movie lovers! So nice to see them sharing some of the same concerns/gripes we who work elsewhere have! Real insight into the craft of the business (or is it the business of the craft? :0) )!
I know no one wants to hear this, but want to know the best way to help actors as a director? LEARN. HOW. TO. ACT. How else are you supposed to communicate with actors, if you don’t know the basics of acting?
As someone who does both, I say it helps but is not absolutely necessary and is something that I've been told by other directors. The two are largely separate skills and learning the language of actors doesn't necessarily mean becoming one in order to learn how to be a good director.
laserbeamlightning I do both as well, and I really disagree. I find that if you have a director who hasn’t had the slightest bit of acting training, they tend to be largely unhelpful when it comes to acting. I say that as both someone who has a degree in theatre acting and someone currently going to film school. (Side note: psychology classes also help a ton)
Also, (to clarify) I suppose I agree with the sentiment of “learning the language of actors” being a good stance on learning to properly direct someone. I just feel like at that point, just learn to act so you can better understand what your actors go through.
Bleeding Life Films A Director/Actor relationship should be like a husband and wife relationship. You need a level of understanding and clear communication, but problems come when you overstep. It’s an asset to understand acting and psychology, but if you learn those things for the purpose of having a tighter control over actors you’ll get nowhere. Not to speak badly of actors either, but a lot of these people demand respect, communication and proficiency of directors, without realizing directors expect the same thing from them. Giving directions is difficult. It requires not only a deep understanding of human behaviour but also an ability to communicate your insights. That’s a tall order for anyone so actors need to be cognizant about meeting directors halfway. That in mind, I think it’s arrogant to suggest experience in acting will have a significant impact on how you direct actors. I think in that case what happens is you start to think how YOU would like to be directed rather than what is most effective for the person you’re working with. For example the woman who said the worst thing a director could do is say nothing would probably more likely to over-direct actors if put in that role when not all actors like a lot of direction. Consider the absurdity of a first time director giving vague notes to Marlon Brando. If you have the good fortune to work with a great artist as a first time director, you don’t want to impose. Other people might need more hand-holding which is okay as well. Interested to hear your thoughts on this. Also in what ways has studying psychology helped you? I’m curious to know because my view has always been that over-intellectualizing makes performances dry
Director: “Dude. Can you like...act better or something?”
Actor: “ok”
Jackson Chamblee the sad thing is I said that to one of my actors 3 years ago 😂😂
oow good
tbh this applies to any activity that cannot be objectively measured (unlike output of software, for example): "just make it better" or "I'll know it when I see it" are inefficient to steer the direction towards the expected outcome.
Film riot has been the go to film school for me for 10 years now.
Started making diy camera rigs from them too lol
DUDE FR FR!!
Same Here
Wisdom. I had some limited experience before I discovered Film Riot, but I have gained far more knowledge from watching these bros and bro-etts than I ever did taking classes.
You now owe 10.000$ to the government of the Ryan.
Never say this to actors: "Can you do it again, but better?"
i'm just gonna upvote this
yes
Why not? It's their fucking job and they get paid well to do it. I'm so sick of all this actor coddling, I work in the film industry and Actors are the least prepared, and least interested of everyone on set.
Shady Lurker, it’s not helpful because that leads to the inevitable response: Okay, but better how?
You may get better, but not the better that you want.
@@ShadyLurker16 Inexperienced directors often give vague instructions to cast and crew leading to confusion and misinterpretation. In my experience, until you can express what you specifically want from a member of your production, you're better off not speaking. Sometimes no direction is better than bad direction. I primarily shoot corporate commercial work and independent films so my advice is limited to my experience in the midwest.
Astounded to see Film Riot manage to get *_Famous Actor_* _James Allen McCune_ on their show,
These guys are goin' places!
I'm calling my agent right now!
who???
Nice SP reference lol.
Famous doctor Mickey Mouse????
Fuck I miss SP7
James’ advice is killer. Get in the mud together y’all! Production is already messy so you might as well go through it together. 🤘🏻
lol
I’ve alway been a filmmaker, but took my first acting class in college and was humbled about how difficult it is to act. Such a fun and difficult art form.
Ive done it. Its challenging. I prefer working cameras.
Actually I started out as an actor in the school theatre
It’s very easy to act. If it’s hard you aren’t meant to be acting... there is no sense in pretending like pretending is hard when it comes down to a personal preference which is often immeasurable
@@randomdude189 You think acting is "pretending"? Lol. You obviously have NEVER been onstage beyond high school, or been a lead in a studio film.Good luck with whatever you do as a career pal.
Random Dude there are levels to acting. Anyone can remember a line or two and “perform”. I do that. Acting is a craft that’s difficult to master. I strongly disagree with you.
I'm always wondering what's happening with Ryan's face. He's always giving us those looks 👀
I love that episode! Thank you Stefanie, Mark, James, and Matt!
You can see around million videos on transitions, masking gear review, etc on youtube but there are only few youtube channels that actually pay attention to directing, writing and editing. Good job, film riot!
Thanks for doing this episode! The actual craft of collaborating with the actors gets so overlooked among all the instructions for camera shots, coverage, shooting pace, etc. Great to get such a focused take on the subject!
For the most part they are living in two different worlds. Director is thinking “the whole film” and actors “the scene” also actors don’t have the back end of production deadlines, budget, schedule and crew on their mind. I do believe actors do need to understand the whole picture a bit. It is hard to be creative under stress and harder to communicate subtle nuances under stress in concise terms. If you have questions, ask.
Thank you!
Yeah but your job as a director is to not let them feel your stress. Handling that whole circus is your job, not theirs. Ofc being a good actor is also to some extend being easy to work with and not being extra, but channelling those emotions despite thousand lights shining and people staring etc. is really hard. So in my mind directing is like preparing a playing field for all your crew and cast to shine on...
This goes both ways, mind...
George Lucas' direction: "Faster. More intense!"
at least it is to the point.
MrKirk2019 I think when you're in a hurry and the actors know what you mean then that kind of direction is ok.
@@Rob_-dv6ei Based on what I know of the original movie, what actors have said, and given the different tones...I'd think some would want a bit more direction or feedback.
@@LuckyDogProductions If it's the go-to direction for majority of the scenes, not really. I have to reread the early production books on the original Star Wars film (even though I'm kinda burned out with SW due to Disney's involvement) but I vaguely recall Hamill or one of the other actors seeking a bit more feedback when that particularl direction was given.
MrKirk2019 that's very interesting. To clarify, I meant it's ok "if you're in a hurry", not as a format for direction. George Lucas always said he hated directing, hence why the Return Of The Jedi was directed by someone else.
“You’re gonna do it like that..?”
“Lets do another one, this time, do it like i said”
“What are you doing”
“Just do it like it’s written”
“ **turns to producer** we can edit around that”
“ **whispers to 1st AD who then calls for a break** ”
“You’re not listening”
“That’s usable”
**gives terrible line reading**
“Another one for safety” (just kidding)
Damn you really gonna call me out like that huh
God you're awful at screenplay writing. I didn't get one thing of what you wrote. Maybe that was the intention behind it. lol
"Once more, with feeling . " lol. I miss film sets
Totally totally totally agree! Be very specific in your direction!!!! Please!!!!
Crazy helpful. Thank you Film Riot!
Actors are just a tool for the director. After watching this video, I will now ask my lens and lights about their feelings.
lmao
Do it sexier!!!
"...What in the HELL does that mean...?"
5:48 💯🔊🔊🔊
As a Writer/Director I asked two actors that I was directing what not do to and they told me to never tell an actor how to act.
I've directed several shorts and a feature, and with my experience I really found this video helpful!
Thanks for the tips!
The worst note I’ve ever given was on my First feature film. I asked the actress to “turn her head without moving her neck.”
We all instantly burst into laughter because how utterly terrible it was.
I was told not to blink when someone threw water at my face. DP didn't believe me that this wasn't possible, I kept saying nope, can't be done, it's a reflex. DP disappeared for a mo, returned with a wet face and agreed that it was impossible.
@@nictheartist That's hilarious. Sometimes when your in the moment , all logic leaves you.
There are sooo many golden nuggets in this video... like a semester of film school in ten minutes. Definitely going to be coming back to this over and over again!
Total agreement with those that have talked about taking an acting class! That along with acting in projects, even if they are small roles, will definitely help. I've also found that doing background work on larger scale productions can be incredibly insightful.
I would love to see a series of these. This was absolute gold!
This is really great info, I love hearing what is helpful from the other side of the table. This doesn't apply to professional actors, but I would say being a "sock puppet" director is a different story when working with non-actors (like maybe if you've recruited friends or family to be in your film). I've done a little more commercial/corporate work the last few years, and man, most people are so uncomfortable in front of the camera. They shrink up. Showing them how to say something or how "big" they can make it can definitely help them feel a bit more comfortable.
Edit: And of course Film Riot did a video all about this already a while back, "How to Direct New Actors" 😅
Funny how the guy, that says it's not good when a director talks too much, is the one who doesn't get to the point ^^
This was quite helpful ! Interessting to hear those experiences.
This is great! So many different TYPES of directors, some are all about the gear, the story, or just the performance and has no idea how a camera works, it really can be a mixed bag. Some of the best directors I worked with well have acted in the past, so they know how to approach the job of the actor director partnership. You guys are a great service, thank you.
It helps for the director to have an idea about all aspects, including the acting. They don't have to be experts at everything, but sufficiently knowledgeable to understand that there are things they may need to allow others to be better at.
This is really helpful advice. I like that at the end especially about communication, respect, and hustle.
Very insightful. Thanks for the post and to the actors who crushed it.
I'm not even a filmmaker or anything related but I love watching your videos.. I learn a lot
I've been a long time Film Riot subscriber and this is one of my favorite episodes ever, i think this is a topic that doesn't get much talk. Thanks for so much years of knowledge and keep it coming. Stay safe.
Lol when the dude from Pitch Perfect referred to the undisclosed director as "her" that just gave it away that he's talking about Elizabeth Banks. Plus he said the scene was loud!!
Not necessarily. The third was also directed by a woman, but a different woman.
Awesome content! Really enjoyed this! Working with actors is one of the most challenging, but also most fun and gratifying parts of filmmaking
Ugh this is so great! I hate wearing too many hats on set - this so a good reminder to concentrate on the actors and the emotion! Thanks FR
Master Class right here Film Riot! Thank You! Loving this video.
4:21 that one sucks, the director needs to be specific, as she said
This came out just in the knick of time. The Day Before a Short Film shoot. Thanks, guys You rock.
Love it! I am looking forward to more of these "learning to be a director" videos. There are like billion videos about how to light a scene or how to figure out Premier-AfterEffects-and-why-not-switch-to-Resolve or how to move your camera with anamorphic lens from 1970s, but the very core of movie-making, the directing, is totally neglected.
This is a very helpful video on a topic that needs more attention. This video also deserves more views.
One thing Mccune & I don't see eye to eye on.. it's one thing to coddle actors, in order to get what you want from their performance, but I (the director) am not in charge of YOUR personal life. No matter what job you have, no matter what position you hold, YOU (in this case, the actor) need to pull your big people panties back on, and maintain a professional demeanor. I get if you're a lil off your game, and not in the right headspace, but don't expect the director to also be a psychiatrist... if anything, in a primal sich, both director & actor would have.created a strong enough work bond, they would see the opportunity to use whatever emotions/reactions the actor is feeling from their life, as a tool to put into their character's current scene situation.
Technically yes, but the director-actor relationship is not the same as a boss-employee one. You need to have diplomacy when dealing with your actors - even indulging some of their whims and stuff.
Remember, anyone on set can be replaced, except the talent.
I can agree with what you said actually. I was mostly speaking to people who don’t even consider that as an aspect of the story telling process. You can have a brilliant story and a fantastic actor who raked in cash to fund you, but if they need vulnerability one day, and you make them feel shitty about that and can’t communicate with them THROUGH that issue, you may I’ve lost your meal ticket and THAT is something a director has control over. So it’s important to take that control seriously. How you respond is everything. A director makes or breaks a film with casting people who can hear them first. You need to learn how to speak to each other regardless of how emotional someone can be, and besides you’re hiring people who’s specialty is HAVING THESE emotions. Use it right, or it won’t get used and THAT HUSTE is the directors job. All I mean to imply is that if some one does not have the tools they need one day, and you act poorly, they will only work against you if ALSO don’t have the tools. What you said is an Exceptionally important perspective for actors though. We gotta respect the hustle with our job responsibilities and relationships by knowing our shit, taking care of our shit and being on time. thank you for your thoughts, I think you added a lot to the conversation!
Disagree. If you don't work WITH your actor, collaborate with him/her, you will not get a great performance, or even a good one.
You gotta deal with what you have. Especially in zero budget films. If things fall into place, you are kind, empathetic, but firm and manage time well, you can get a good performance out of most people who are willing to try.
@@JamesAllenMcCuneOops Wow! I, actually, want to thank YOU for taking the time to not only clear up a misunderstanding, but also to give me valuable input about the necessity for really LISTENING (particularly to what's going on in an actor's head); especially if they're experiencing a bad day, before even responding at all. I've just come across so many "Whaaaaaah!" actors, in my life, who think that bec they're the talent, they're somehow irreplaceable & can get away with irresponsible behavior. But I absolutely agree that directors DO have the role of getting the actor to work through personal emotion & utilize it, if they can, for the benefit of the character's journey in the storyline. And yes, directors will only shoot themselves in the foot if they barrade the people that are there to make their story come alive. I value communication; so it's nice to hear from another POV.
Thank you for your integrity, in creating a space of respect for others; even when they don't (initially) agree with you. 🙂 👍 I'd work with you, any day.
The new web site looks great! I think Stefanie Butler said it the best. Specificity is key. Having been both an actor and now a director myself, being specific in what you want as a director is extremely helpful. Also, remember, actors crave praise. Not in a bad way (mostly) but they need some kind of positive reinforcement that they are giving you what you need. I've worked with a few directors in the past who wouldn't say anything to me unless I was not giving them what they needed, which was always nerve racking. However, they always gave me at least some positive feed back at the end of the day. Even if it's a, "Good Job today", that's still help full to an actor in the long run.
Thanks for this!!!
For me as an actor few of the worst things I have experienced are
1) director enacting a scene and asking and expecting u to do exactly what he has done it's basically he wants u to imitate him
2) the director laughing, commenting n t video room or to AD's etc. Instead of talking to u while the shot is going on or just as the shot is over
3) when an actor tells a director I want to try something never scoff or ridicule him or guffaw sometimes that may be the best take
4) yelling or shouting at or to an actor if u don't get the desired acting
This is just my personal opinion but it may be different for different actors. May be for better actors than me such things wudnt matter at all
I watched one director over a three day high budget commercial shoot at a certain location do 30-50 takes of EVERYTHING. No additional directing, no adjustments to what actors were doing, no tweaks, no comments, just the same thing over and over 30 + times for every little shot
When Directors start thinking for actors, thats when its game over.
This was so helpful!!! Thank you film riot! ♥️
That was an excellent video and I can see a great number of similar videos. It was a real experience learning from actors who just wanted to pass along some perspective. Wonderfully done!
It’s what Ryan does with his face that keeps me coming back to Film Riot every time there is a new episode.
It's great to learn about actors and the film world....this relates to being a singer in the vocal booth too...nice bunch of artists interviewed. I am looking forward to more of these interviews
Things never to say to actors “That’s great! Just one more take and I think we got it!”
I always just say “Again.” Never “One more time.”
"That was great! One more for safety!"
Things you should say to actors: you deserve minimum wage.
@@randomdude189 Yeah, when uou're in high school snd working at MacDonalds, you should hold off on your dreams until you set up an LLC, get E&O insurance, hire a payroll firm...
@@randomdude189 Yeah, when uou're in high school snd working at MacDonalds, you should hold off on your dreams until you set up an LLC, get E&O insurance, hire a payroll firm...
Such a helpful video, thank you!
This is GOLD!
This was incredibly helpful
hey Stefanie: if you had worked with Kubrick, you'd think he were an amateur or new to directing. He was known for his laconic, concise direction with vague words including "different" and "more interesting". He basically put it all into the actors' hands, get multiple takes, not know exactly what he wants all the time, and then essentially find what works in the performances. I can see how that would be frustrating, but it's also an acknowledgement that art can go in amazing directions in the right circumstances.
As a trained actor who's also entered the directing realm, something that I've made sure to do is learn to shut up. As an artist, we love talking about our vision, what I had to remind myself of was that this actor is an artist with vision and creativity too. So I give them my direction/notes/thoughts, then learn to shut up, don't over explain, don't talk so much. Let them process your words and bring their art forward.
This was some really good advice. Communication, respect, hustle 😎
Amazing episode guys!!
This really is helpful. I'm always looking for feedback (as a director) as much as the actors are. I love the collaboration process in order to get those really special moments on screen. If something isn't vibing, I want to know why and I want to help it! The set really is a safe space, and I think that doesn't get understood as much. And I want to treat it like that!
Thank you famous actor James Allen McCune
That was mind blowing, so informative
Every director can benefit from taking an acting class to get an insight into the actor’s work
Yes. It is very helpful to take an acting class or two. Or to act. Acting is a blast, I love it, but I get way too nervous...
I'd say : should.
Its like running an hotel, if you haven't spend a shift in every positions before you can't understand what the problems at their level are. I'm lucky to never have seen an actor being bashed without respect like that on set....yet.
Actors are a living being who can shape-shifting, its not a machine which does the thing when you press this or that. I wonder if there is a serious meeting between director and cast, one on one to get down to the core of the character they will want on the screen....ive seen mood being in the way of an actors job though , and James analogy with the spiral is true.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 use the nervosité as fuel for emotions. Do not use your brain. If your lines are in and you know the emotional tone of your scene, you have all you need.
Just ride that with emotions and the text.
Be dont act. Its the hardest step to conquer, the loss of ego and becoming a vessel.
As a (stupid) image which helped me, its like a pilot in F1, the car is the one with power and handling, the pilot is the user of that power. His job is just drive it to the max let the car do the job.
He's not pushing the car to make it go fast.
Your body and emotions are the car and the brain is your pilot.
Just drive: know your lines and the emotions you need to express.
The car, your body, your instrument to act will do the work .
If you think, you pollute the body and the emotion feels forced to the audience.
For me it unlocked when i reached 40.....I'm not an actor, i did 3 years of acting school but never got the courage to put my face out there so all i can tell you its what ive found practicing over the years.....i hope it helped.
If not, smh 😅
Love the guy but also, not entirely sure I agree 100% with Mark Ashworth and his points on "sock puppet" directors. In some instances... SOME... a director does need an actor to say a line a certain way. Actors are talent employed to fulfill a directors vision. I'm an actor. I've done a ton of commercials, I'm in some shows on Netflix and Amazon however the success or failure rises and falls on the director. Actors definitely shouldn't be stifled and do need encouragement but they also need to be malleable with the directors overall vision. My opinion, but it's what's worked for me over the years. :)
I was waiting for an episode like that for soo long and you uploaded it one week before my (real) first short film 😍.
Thanks a lot for the content you provide it's always hepful (even if it's waay to short, I could watch these for hours xD)!
I'm not very into posting comment but I really needed to say that ahaha.
Have a great day !
LOVE YOU GUYS! great advice
Great lessons here. I always try to be respectful and attentive to actors, but it can be a little bit harder when I'm in the heat of the moment. That is why I take moments with my actors during shooting just to discuss things which may or may not be related to the film we are doing.
Rule #3. Don't be a dick.
Yooo this was so helpful! I'm going to direct a few actors for the first time later this year (if Vorona let's me), so I'm gettin' a little nervous wether or not I'm capable of doing my job😬 Thank you! :)
Communication, Respect and Hustle is good food for thought.
Been watching you since 2011 ❤️
Thanks, I enjoyed that.
I agree to an extent that a director should get in the mud , but perhaps not in it but the edge as they do still need to keep the numbers, timings and all the other things in their thoughts as well.
I would love to see the same thing but from a directors point of view.
As an aside, I watched this with my wife who is a counsellor who pointed out the similarities between her role and that of a director. Having to hold both the actor and their characters, empathising with them and their dynamics. Holding the character’s emotions whilst remaining grounded enough to draw the best performance and yes positive communication.
In all fairness I think this video is more general director directions - massively helpful by the way, really great. However, according to Sam Mendes (1917, Skyfall, American Beauty) bear in mind that when you get know the actors well you can give more weird directions - in the heat of the moment he says how when there's not much time you could go "25% more" or "50% less". Really insightful, guys.
On this episode, Actors that want to be pampered.
Shut up and do your job, or i will find somebody who will.
I’ve always been told to read the work, say the words, visualize and practice speaking your thoughts accurately, respectfully, and concisely. If you know where we are going and how to get there, getting to the destination will be easy and a joyous one.
9:44 Communication. Respect and Hustle goes for ALL crew. I'm looking at you too, actors. I'm a 1st AC, actors are generally given far more respect than the rest of us crew. But that applies to all of us, the day runs best at all hours whether it's hour 2 or 14, to have respect, communication and hustle. Anyone who starts yelling is just an absolute gorilla oaf and the rest of the crew makes fun of them behind their back. Anyone who's new to set and has a short fuse, keep that in mind when you feel the urge to be a 4 year old and get frustrated at someone. Anyone who barks orders these days has their name smeared. The industry is big but the word of mouth is fast, don't shoot yourself in the foot. That type of behavior has finally died, these old fogeys who still attempt it are finally getting weeded out. RESPECT above all, TO all. PA's especially!
It's awesome to hear some real situations that these actors went through on set. Never show an actor how to say a line was great!
Saying "be more angry" or "be less sad is another bad way to direct. It just doesn't mean anything. Great video as always. Thanks for all the great content as usual!
holy shit. film riot AND famous actor JAMES ALLEN MCCUNE? you're spoiling us
James Allen McCune gave some really solid and insightful advice. The others were also insightful but felt a little more anecdotal and vague, where as McCune got right down to the WHY of it. I just registered with it more, I guess.
Thank you so much, I'm glad that came through, this really made my day to read. Empathy is hard to teach but it should be easy to learn.
@@JamesAllenMcCuneOops Wow, You're Welcome! You're words just really vibed with me about the personal responsibility of emotions on both sides. I've been taking acting classes in Atlanta for a about 2 years now and that lesson of mutual respect of everyone's time and how it does or does not relate to your ego is something I hear from my coach a lot. Not to put the Actor™ on a special pedestal, but recognizing it's a _weird_ job that *requires* working in a _weird_ headspace. As an actor, you're both a tool the director/writer/whoever is using to sell a product/scene/message while also being _unique_ in bringing something to the table no one else can (because they hired _you_ and not someone else.)
IDK, I just really liked how you broke it down so understandably for people who wouldn't instinctively recognize the actor's headspace, _through no fault of their own._
Keep up the good work, man, and have a great day.
Thank you Ryan, that was extremely helpful.
FAMOUS ACTOR JAMES ALLEN MCUNE!
Matt Lanter basically is Anakin Skywalker
Very interesting topic 👍🏼
When Mat was talking I had to cover my phone and just picture Aniken talking.
"for my directors" *leans forward in chair* I needed some extra tips on my direction with actors
This was informative and entertaining.
I loved this video!
I absolutely loved timeless. Great series great actor!
5:22 "Do it sexier!" i feel like that's an Elizabeth Banks' directing quote
It's better, let's go for one more take!!!
Now I know why Darth Vader is always yelling at us stormtroopers to march sexier!
Awesome! 👏✊👍Great episode
Very helpfull! Filmriot❤️❤️❤️
I like this episode 👍 full of great insights. I wonder when we will see another episode under ” Never say this to Directors ” 😁🖐
This makes me so excited to learn to direct. I must do eeet!
Very helpful. Thanks.
This was GREAT FUN even just for us movie lovers! So nice to see them sharing some of the same concerns/gripes we who work elsewhere have! Real insight into the craft of the business (or is it the business of the craft? :0) )!
I know no one wants to hear this, but want to know the best way to help actors as a director? LEARN. HOW. TO. ACT. How else are you supposed to communicate with actors, if you don’t know the basics of acting?
As someone who does both, I say it helps but is not absolutely necessary and is something that I've been told by other directors. The two are largely separate skills and learning the language of actors doesn't necessarily mean becoming one in order to learn how to be a good director.
laserbeamlightning I do both as well, and I really disagree. I find that if you have a director who hasn’t had the slightest bit of acting training, they tend to be largely unhelpful when it comes to acting. I say that as both someone who has a degree in theatre acting and someone currently going to film school. (Side note: psychology classes also help a ton)
Also, (to clarify) I suppose I agree with the sentiment of “learning the language of actors” being a good stance on learning to properly direct someone. I just feel like at that point, just learn to act so you can better understand what your actors go through.
(Another side note) I absolutely respect your opinion on the matter though! :)
Bleeding Life Films A Director/Actor relationship should be like a husband and wife relationship. You need a level of understanding and clear communication, but problems come when you overstep. It’s an asset to understand acting and psychology, but if you learn those things for the purpose of having a tighter control over actors you’ll get nowhere. Not to speak badly of actors either, but a lot of these people demand respect, communication and proficiency of directors, without realizing directors expect the same thing from them. Giving directions is difficult. It requires not only a deep understanding of human behaviour but also an ability to communicate your insights. That’s a tall order for anyone so actors need to be cognizant about meeting directors halfway. That in mind, I think it’s arrogant to suggest experience in acting will have a significant impact on how you direct actors. I think in that case what happens is you start to think how YOU would like to be directed rather than what is most effective for the person you’re working with. For example the woman who said the worst thing a director could do is say nothing would probably more likely to over-direct actors if put in that role when not all actors like a lot of direction. Consider the absurdity of a first time director giving vague notes to Marlon Brando. If you have the good fortune to work with a great artist as a first time director, you don’t want to impose. Other people might need more hand-holding which is okay as well. Interested to hear your thoughts on this. Also in what ways has studying psychology helped you? I’m curious to know because my view has always been that over-intellectualizing makes performances dry
Good stuff!
you guys are the best this channel saved my life. #NeverStopFilming