Don't buy anything in the Microsoft Flight Simulator marketplace!
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2022
- It looks really easy to buy an add-on for Microsoft Flight Simulator in the in-game marketplace, but you really shouldn't!
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I try to use the Marketplace. I don't care if the updates are faster (because I've never bought something broken) and it's often cheaper. If the devs don't want you to buy thru the Market, they shouldn't sell there. Plus it supports MS which supports the game and keeps the huge free updates rolling.
If a developer has broken trust - looking at you FSG and your malware - then I will only buy their planes through the Marketplace. The reason is - that delay in the updates - that's Microsoft picking through your code and making sure you're not doing anything untoward, amongst other things.
If you support asobo and msfs, and want to receive continuous world updates, various free DLC.. I’d recommend sticking to the marketplace. That continuous stream of steady revenue is looked into extensively and helps justify more quality dev time back into the sim itself.
And the reason you want those delayed updates, is because the MSFS devs are running their own QA testing and code reviews of the work to ensure it doesn’t do anything unexpected or harmful to the performance of the sim.. with the amount of reviews needed weekly, the delay is standard.
Hear! Hear!
Said it great.
Respectfully, I think you're giving too much credit to MS/Asobo and not enough to the third party developers. But I appreciate the feedback.
Thanks for watching!
It still shouldn't take six to eight freaking weeks from the time the update comes out' And why would a developer sabotage their own work with malware? Two weeks MAX.
@@mason19548 Development follows process, it doesn’t work well with randomness. There’ll be time set dedicated to review, and that probably actually is a standard 2 weeks for larger submissions tbh. And that time will not fluctuate. The catch though is there will be a limit to how many submissions can be reviewed per week in accordance with this established process, and so a backlog of submissions is naturally created.
And no they won’t even spend a full 2 weeks on any one submission, but submissions/updates will be planned to be bundled together in groups for specific DLC release days.
Keep in mind updates will require the same amount of attention and review as a new submission, but will still likely be favored in the pipeline.
That backlog is obviously kept at a reasonable size that the devs are comfortable with maintaining. Asking them to decrease that to a constant 2 week window would mean adding more devs/QA, the daily revenue seen probably isn’t enough to justify increased man power.
Even with submissions being constantly instantly revised and approved, because of the randomness in which updates are likely submitted in all times of the week, this will definitely add an extra week starting the Monday following the submission (3 weeks total) you need to add time for production to organize the submission/updates into the existing review pipeline for the following week. You don’t just jump onto something the moment it’s received 😂.
Also, submissions would need approving the week prior to them even being released, probably by that Friday, so this would add an extra week. The 3-4 days during the following week building up to the Marketplace update would require separate build tests and extensive checks for their DLC system. (4 weeks total now)
Naturally some weeks will have an unforeseen increase in submissions more than others, or there will also be holidays/time off, so there will always be a growing backlog despite the absolute best efforts to keep that down, so naturally that means the minimum expectation should be 5 weeks… depending on the amount of submissions, this will grow.
Never thought there would be these many issues to deal with after buying from Market place! Thanks for the heads up..
Thanks for watching. Glad it was helpful!
Sometimes the marketplace has huge discounts, when the official websites don't have any
Once you purchased from MS there are NO contacts or help to get refunds if things go wrong buy from developers always ,,,,,,,,
Purchase from marketplace ends up being cheaper for me in my currency which is a big plus that hasn't been discussed in this video. Example - Hjet is available for ~$17.5 whereas it's retailing for $25 elsewhere.
In turkey some planes cost 2$, but in some countryes it costs 40$
Every store has cuts, I'm 100% sure that SimMarket, Aerosoft, iniBuild store, or others take cuts too. No way they operate without any cuts. I'm sure JustFlight stores have cuts for third party developers selling their products there. This is really moot point unless the developer has their own store and payment processor. Even then the banks will take their cuts, that's just how economic work.
Edit: also don't forget the government takes their cuts via taxes.
I’m new to this aspect of computers and relatively old. What you say makes sense, but I wish 3rd party developers would make videos showing EXACTLY how downloads & updates are done. It may be easy once you know how, but it’s not when you don’t know what terms like ‘clipboard’ are or ‘drag & paste’ actually mean. I have bought planes and actually given up trying to download them in the past so basically wasted significant money. Just my 2c.
That's a fair point. A lot of products I've purchased for MSFS have had installers that do all the "magic" without managing folders. But not all do.
Thanks for watching!
Apart from the encryption which can make modding more difficult, but far from impossible as I have performance, cockpit, and lighting mods for an 'encrypted' marketplace aircraft am totally in favor of the marketplace. That one issue can potentially be HUGE depending on the individual aircraft/product. Other than that have had far more problems with the licensing from separate purchasing platforms.
Thanks for your insight, and thank you for watching!
I believe most products from Market Place are installable on Xbox as well. There is no way to install addons on Xbox but Market Place. If that is the case, and I believe it is, then I have no choice but to go for Market Place.
Another problem is that military aircraft won’t have any visible weapons if purchased through the marketplace
Great Video! Where did you get the a321 at 0.17
Great video, thank you for bringing awareness to this topic. People should NOT be scared to purchase outside the sim and support the devs directly!
Absolutely!
Its not about being scared, its about convenience. I do it for updates and reinstalls, just click a button versus storing files or downloading and extracting from alternate site. Some things I won't buy there because they aren't fully loaded such as the MIlviz F4U Corsair.
Can I do this if I’m playing solely on Xbox? If so, I’d love it..but I don’t think it’s possible…
Can't. Marketplace is the ONLY option for Xbox...
@@seaquenc3308 Not possible for us xbox players…. you are correct.
Can't agree more. Made the same mistake for PMDG 737 and now i have been waiting for the update for almost 2 months!!!!
Xbox users have no choice but to use the Marketplace. The plus side is that buying from the Marketplace allows you to buy an item once and own it on both Xbox and PC. But yeah in general the Marketplace kinda sucks.
Great point. Thanks for watching!
True1
I only buy Military modules outside of the Market Place, and that's only because of weapons, missiles, and bombs are animated. Whereas they're not in the Market Place. The F16 by SC Dev., the F15 by DC Dev., the F22A by Top Mach Studios, as well as IdiaFoxtEcho all their modules purchased outside of the Market Place has the option to go into Weight and Payload before the start of a flight and adjust the weight on the Wings by 200lb, and voila, you got missiles on your jet looking really cool. Now of course they don't work, they're nonfunctional. MSFS is about the Sceneries, even still when study level modules are lagging or falling short in some form or other, you still got the look.
Yes but do you have to do all the flight training to be able to buy stuff?
I'm still pro marketplace.
Early days it had some bad dlc's wich got filtered out ,
I therefor think the martketplace has some sort of quality check on the dlc's it puts up for offer.
Also easier when you get a new pc . Back in the fsx days, I had to search the web all day to get all my addons back from the many sites that sold it.
This video is great in all, but here’s one thing that you may not agree to. It’s good to buy things out side of the game and putting them in there but some of the websites you have to create maybe multiple accounts and sometimes only using the once. But like you said more updates will be on the plane if you buy them from the actual creator. So there are different opinions about this topic so it is a great way to persuade people about this.
I don't mind paying a bit more for the convenience of not having do deal with files floating around on my pc but it really depends on the mod I do agree checking on the devoloper site before buying on the marketplace which I do everytime sometimes it's significantly cheaper if it's a bad plane and needs alot of updates I won't buy it anyways captain sim 777 is one the comes to mind
you must be loaded then. i cant even afford cheese.
May I ask why they are so expensive?
I buy planes from marketplace cuz in my countries currency the marketplace is cheaper for example in pmdgs official site their 737-700 is 60 usd but if i wanted to buy in marketplace it cost 11 usd.
I use both PC and XBOX you'd be surprise the performance a Xbox Series S running upscaled 4k HDR can do. The render latency is 100x better on Xbox than PC and I'm running a 3060ti, I7 10700, 32GB ram, and Z590 AORUS MASTER.
I 100% purchased everything through the marketplace originally because it kept everything in one place, I hated the idea of having scattered addons everywhere. I have since learned from good people like yourself and others that this is not the best idea, in fact its the worst idea to do it that way. Great video!
Thanks much. When I got back into MSFS (your fault), I started buying a bunch of things in the Marketplace too. Better late than never.
@@hochmaniac how is it my fault when i did nothing hm?
@@hochmaniac you forgot to mention that the MSFS marketplace aircraft are dumbed down to fit microsofts terms. for example, the f35 lightning II comes without weapons.
I buy all through the Marketplace because I don't want issues with the process of installation.
well ive been waiting for updates with the big 3rd developers too... thats not the thing... whats even worse is that marketplace purchases seem to be encrypted so other 3rd party addons cant communicate with it so for example the new atc addon FSHUD does not work with marketplace airports
The MS Marketplace is nice and easy, but I do agree there are other options. I do like having purchases via the one interface. I must admit to now having an extensive collection of freeware add-ons (so many beautiful aircraft and scenery etc.), and I find the Community folder much easier to manage than FSX was! I usually change the folder name by adding a prefix; example "SA-" (South Australia) or "Idah-" (Idaho) so I can easily relocate to a "holding" folder on a separate drive to keep track of add-ins and keep my main drive with plenty of space!
If you have an Xbox buy from the marketplace as well, but If you have a PC and you do cares about installing mods, then don’t buy from the marketplace of MFS2020, and find another developer where you can buy and install mods. I still prefer the marketplace since it’s official from Microsoft rather than installing mods that might run out of your CPU and GPU since they don’t guarantee if it’s going to work properly or not in the sim.
I just purchased a “airline missions” because I want to simulate airline flights. It was $12. I can’t find it where to play anywhere. I have it installed I can see that in the content manager but it doesn’t show up anywhere to play????
New to the sim world. Can you do a video that explains how-to download add-ons for XBox Series S? Guilty as charged, I've done ALL my purchases through the Marketplace :-). Aloha, John
What if you're a casual (xbox only) player? how do I buy planes. Would that make the marketplace my only choice?
I still think it’s completely fine to buy airports from the marketplace. Most high quality airports never really require updates and If they aren’t updated, it literally doesn’t matter at all. For all the airports I buy, I literally never update them because I have no reason to and don’t feel like it.
Ok I take this back. I thought about this, and I think community folder is better unless you ever wanna disable sceneries for fps
ATR, C414 and Kodiak updates is comming in less than a week later.
Sadly, the marketplace is all I can use since I have it on Xbox. And all the good planes are PC only anyway, so I just don’t buy addons.
when i try to install mods and paste them into my community folder and restart the sim the stuff i install arent there
I DL medical missions and can’t find where to run it, can you help?
Does this work on xbox series x as well with buying from other than the marketplace
how do you get addons for xbox on anything but the marketplace???
Im new to PC gaming. How do you get the content from the authors site on to the game?
I proud the 787-9 in the marketplace with the mfs Deluxe edition and I can’t fly it because you‘ll need the 787-10 too and you can only buy the 787-10 at the Premium Delixe version is there any chance to get a refunde??
I’ve bought a few stuff off there with no issues
I’m on Xbox should I buy from Microsoft store. I wanna buy the f-14 through the game if that wrong?
Yup! Good points, I agree. And half the time the Marketplace is broken. Last sale, it wouldn’t let me purchase anything from that sale for over a week (kept waiting and timed out-sale over). No more available airport addons showing on their map. Updates way too slow (learn from Amazon how to deliver) lol!
Wish I saw this before😢 I did buy Copenhagen, but didn’t know that GSX dose not work with marketplace airports. Steam won’t even answer my refund request😢
Mr. Hochmania - I purchased some scenery add ons before seeing your video. Is there anything I can do?
Sorry, you're a grade-A moron
@@hochmaniac crap
I just have a question about this for Xbox how do I do it on xbox
100% agree. Will not buy MP for aircraft so devs like Carenado who insist on using MP only are missing potential customers as a result of this policy.
I did purchase a lot of things from marketplace latter developers update and then everything was gone from purchased. Now I know don't purchased from marketplace.
@Hochmania, Thanks for putting out this information. Marketplace is a disaster. I had to uninstall the "Garmin G1000 NXI", because it caused the PFD panels, to go dark, within minutes of getting ready to take-off, also the "Amphibious Ultralight Flying Raft" and the Mustang P-51, among other Marketplace planes WILL NOT achieve take-off speed, that to me is the biggest problem
I just got the an 225 from the marketplace… its the best plane ive ever flewn ingame
Tryna purchase eurofighter typhoon on xbox n it keeps saying purchase error then says cancelled. Does anyone know what I can do?
HI THERE ..have you any idea how i can find my folder?i bought the game on disc and i cant find the folder/on other games you get OPEN FILE LOCATION...also when i loaded msfs 2020 its not showing on screen like other games,it just shows from the windows logo bottom left corner when pressed RECENTLY ADDED...it shows msfs 2020 and all you can do is load game from there...any idea as i would love to do addons.....keep your vids rolling👍
this day in age you SHOULD because other content creators upload here
I made the mistake of buying the CRJ off the marketplace. I'm sad the HJET is only on the marketplace
Agreed. Thanks for watching!
I don't have any other choices besides marketplaces...
No perfect solution IMO. I have items both in and out of MP but prefer MP. I hate managing 12 different third party solutions that all want their bloatware panels installed etc... I also hate managing and juggling all these addons. PITA IMO. On top of this, I trust MS to manage my purchases in the future over some store thats popped up. Lastly, I actually happen to fall in the category of PC/XBOX user. I've flown on PC since the very first simulators. I didn't think I'd ever play MSFS on xbox, but since it was part of my xbox pass i downloaded it and tried it out. It could never replace my sim experience on PC in VR obviously, but when I'm laying in bed and just relaxing at night and not in the mood to boot up my sim rig, I enjoy a bit of flying around in xbox. Nothing serious, just some site seeing. Its nice that it adds the hours to my logbook and has the availble aftermarket aircraft when I do so. Personally, the biggest reason I prefer marketplace after 35 years of simming is just ease of management. I'm busy. When I want to fly, I don't want to mess around with third party updates before doing so. Spent way too many years doing that. MS with all its problems was a breath of fresh air for me and I regret the few Items I currently own that are outside that marketplace right now. That being said, your points are all valid and would be more of a concern to me whan I was younger and had more time to focus on simming. Nice vid. Just my 2 cents.
Please if any one can advise me
I have msfs on my Xbox x
The problem is I'm doing training on A320 but most of the important pb in the panels are inoperative I tried to get full open A320 from the market place but it was wasted of money and still same problem..
Please help me how can I open this functions and important items 🙏
im new to PC so I just dont know how to bring planes from other websits into the sim
market place is fine for me only add ons I buy on pc is military jets
True a simple 8GB download takes on average 2hrs it's ridiculous.
some payware aircrafts are available on marketplace only
Hoch. IM new to all of this so sorry for a newbie basic question but I was wondering if you could help me? I bought a plane yesterday and it says installed in the Content Manager but it never shows up in my hangar or anywhere else for that matter. Would you have any ideas where it could be mate? Thanks in advance
I may be mistaken but here's a good starting point. Look in your content manager it should be listed even if not installed, you could very well have simply bought it but not had it installed if that's the case click the installation option and there ya go 😎
I wouldn’t mind buying something directly of of the devs if they would accept ideal a little more often.
Unfortunately i bought from a guy called Bredok or sm i bought a eurofighter typhoon and beyond the model it was shocking the afterburners jets would stick out of the engines and the intake just ends and was blatently false, but i also bough a f35 from india fox techo and it is amazing and i highly reccomend it
India Fox Echo are great
Bredok is a scammer. I only bought one of his planes the A380. While I love that plane and so far haven't seen any issues with it. Many many people have had issues with him
@@CAL1MBO yea he is
Google the product name to find a place to purchase it? You better be careful.
And how can i get it free when i play on xcloud?
Simple solution that msfs can do:
Replace the propeller planes with airliners and more real life liveries (using the same 3 airliners in msfs will get pretty boring, especially for someone like me that loves commercial planes)
I play on xbox so i think i can only buy from the marketplace in msfs
I only ever have issues with stuff I buy off the market place. If I can I buy from the developer directly or a 3rd party store online.
There's nothing more frustrating than when there's an update for a product you own and you have to wait weeks (or longer) for it to get to you.
Last plane I bought from the marketplace was CS B777-300er and was a mistake!
I miss seeing Hoch in the 190. Someone put me up to this
I duno, even if stuff is a couple bucks more, its how microsoft make money (free world/topgun updates anyone?!), and as soon as they stop making money they'll stop servicing the sim, and given the way it pulls data from servers (which cost ongoing money to maintain) as soon as the moneys gone, so will this incredible sim. I get planes 3rd party just cuz theres good $20-30aud difference, but with sceneries i still try to get some stuff each month from MP to keep the business alive!!!
That's an excellent point you're making and one that this ignorant RUclipsr fails to grasp.
I think you're underestimating the profitability of the game itself, but more importantly, as as consumer, you shouldn't have to accept second best. We should demand better.
Looking holistically at the flight sim industry over the years, it's clear a healthy ecosystem is best for all involved, including Microsoft. It's developers that drive interest because they bring the add-ons that Microsoft simply wont/cant do on their own. Look no further than the PMDG 737 and Fenix A320 for exhibits A and B of that.
Buying from the marketplace as a charity for Microsoft is doing yourself a great disservice.
Thanks for watching!
Every day almost 400 thousand babies are born, 18 years later, 400 thousand 17 year olds turn into 18 year olds and learn how to buy simulators, fly planes, have sex...etc. probably 2 thousand of these babies will eventually buy msfs. Msfs ranges from 60$ to 120$. Probably about 500 of these 2 thousand have somewhat rich daddies that work at Microsoft or apple and love them enough to buy them the 120$ and the rest probably stick with the 60$ one cause ur dumb af if u buy the deluxe version, like bruh either go big or go home. Anyways that means that because 500x120 + 1500x60 = 150000$. Now I don’t know where I’m going with this but 150000$ is sure of a heck more than what I make in a day. Anyways I don’t anyone is gunna read this much less finish this but it’s like 12am and I got to catch a flight at 5 so ima go pass out on my coach now... Peace out ✌️
Well, good riddens! I think this sim is crap. I consider it a flight game.
First i had weird issues where i couldn't buy.
Then i bought the PMDG DC-6 on the marketplace.
"Purchase failed", yet they took my 59 euros from my steam wallet and the DC-6 is still displayed as not owned.
Wow, i bought 5000 addons on X-plane Org, Simmarket. Never had a single issue. Just wow Microsoft.
Everyday, I’m learning that this game is not made for consoles. They’re so many issues that are unavoidable if you have an Xbox
I bought the 151 liveries pack and I can’t use the liveries somebody please help
You might have not installed it
This doesn't apply for Xbox only does it?
Then how do Xbox players get addons in Microsoft flight simulator
What im you are playing the game on xbox,then you have to use it,don't you
Mmm this relates to the PC version not my XBox Series X which I have to use the Market place to buy/download/install…..or perhaps on my PC XBox store so then my XBox can “see” the available purchase…..
Is it possible to get addons that are not in the marketplace on Xbox?
No
I wish I had a laptop to play msfs on , One I currently have isn't that good, so since I play msfs on xbox I cant download stuff from external websites.
Fenix aren’t on the market place, they have a good value aircraft, and the honest user doesn’t have to jump thru hoops…oh and I don’t believe it has yet been pirated. Now how much whatever server side stuff they are using costs may or may not be more than the 30%
Great point.
Thanks for watching!
I still wouldn’t use the marketplace. Dreadful store
Marketplace or Steam is where I get my stuff the only time I mod is to install liveries in MSFS 2022 or in FSX. This is Microsoft Corp we are dealing with they don't like third parties messing with their code if you want planes get them off of Steam, get them off of Marketplace, or buy them from the developer if you have a credit card don't buy third party software Microsoft Corp won't like it and you can infect your game with bugs. Get your updates from the marketplace and your DLC from Steam or a developer don't buy third parties or mods they will mess up your game and the only time you get a mod is if it a livery of a default aircraft. Project Opensky is no longer around and Rus-sim is not around anymore either. Microsoft Corp does not like to be hacked so play it safe get your DLC and updates from a trusted source and stay away from third party mods unless you are doing a repaint.
Good points. I learned something new. 👍given!
How to get money back from the planes
your sound is so familiar are you Royal Carribean Blog??
I actually thought I was the only one. WE NEED ANSWERS
..In my opinion, the most important reason to not buy in the Marketplace is to not have to re-purchase the software should you decide to purchase the game outright coming from Gamepass Version and or, switch to Steam version of the game.
Agreed!
As a beginner simmer, I think the marketplace is a pretty easy way to purchase add-on and it’s TMO well done. I was quite scared about purchase from the dev because I thought I would be struggled to install but it’s usually as easy as download unzip drag and drop. If I knew MS takes 30% to 50%, I would I stopped buying add on from marketplace, that’s just stealing the hard working developers.thanks for sharing this
It's a shame because I agree the marketplace is super easy.
Thanks for watching!
Yes but if ur on console u only have market place
Wish the Honda jet wasn’t just in the marketplace. If you ever get a new account or lose one the marketplace planes will disappear
Totally agree.
Thanks for watching!
I'm sure with your credit card number and statements it's hard to lose your account. Would you think otherwise still?
Thank you
This game is a headache for me. 30 minutes setting up a flight plan from simbrief into the mcdu and then the airplane doesn't follow the plan. Sids and stars broken? it's ridiculous. Yet all of these updates and addons but the integrity of the basic game functions aren't there. I don't get it. What are people doing? just flying around looking at scenery? I want to do realistic simulation of airline routes using the mcdu and autopilot but it never works.
@@HarryXPS8300 no sir. it's not pilot error. Theres a problem with the way points and that has already been well established.
I am 100% with you. I wasted 3 weeks trying to figure out why sometime SIDs, STARs and FPs don't work, or looking for a decent airplane to fly. No matter which airplane you fly, it always will be jumpy and unrealistic. 767s that are not even close to real planes, including the 757 and Airbus lines. a Game like this, after two years in the market, should be in better shape. I asked for my money back and perhaps will buy it later if there are improvements. Good for flying the lovely C152 or 172 for VFR flights and enjoying the scenery, but that's all good you can get.
Yes for me in marketplace there are too expensive aircrafts and more
Thanks for watching
Disagree with you. All these add on providers have to pay for all the costs associated with running these shops, which soon adds up, and I'm sure with the income they're receiving, it probably adds up to close of the cut Microsoft takes. I also don't want 2872387 pieces of bloatware on my PC.
A critical factor is security. The delay is because Microsoft is checking all the files of the add on to ensure there's no malware... are you 100% sure you trust a third party site? Looking at FSG right here
How much is the price of a XBOX vs PC to be able to run MSFS?
There’s the answer…
I would argue if you're at all serious about flight sim, an investment in a PC is worthwhile.
@@hochmaniac well… since I am a A330 Pilot, whatever you do, is only a game.
And beside the add-ons, comparing the two is exactly the same. So costs matter.
No need for that serious PC investment… just fulling your self.
@reddeadcodvidz182 It is amazing what a $299 xbox can do with these days! Flight sim 2020!!! Unbelievable!
@@Foxtrot_EWyep 👈🏼👌🏼‼️ and pair your x box x with a 75-80 inch television in 4 K 💪🏼 HELLO ‼️‼️‼️
So if I play on an Xbox does this apply to me ?
Well, you have no choice unfortunately.
I've already spent over $200 on dlc in the marketplace. Fight me.
I'm a victim lost 140 bucks for buying 2 glitched aircrafts
Being 700 cargo
Bae146 100-300
Both dont operate correctly and reinstalled them still no fix I'm pissed
What if you’re on xbox