Comparison of MIVEC, VTEC and VVT

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @Shreddiespaghetti
    @Shreddiespaghetti 8 лет назад +274

    the Japanese totally cleared things up for me. this video was very helpful.

  • @juancabeza5809
    @juancabeza5809 8 лет назад +34

    Not only the subtitles helped me understand this video but at the very end is where I absorbed the most out of all this. Great job posting this, totally worth subscribing for more!

    • @herryiskandar4607
      @herryiskandar4607 6 лет назад +2

      Juan Cabeza ... and after 1 year, i be here right now to LMAO for ya 😂

  • @Trixie_I
    @Trixie_I 2 года назад +3

    Thanks for the video, even 15 years later it helps people out, the Japanese really helped me fully understand it and thanks to the subtitles I was able to learn so much that I'm now an engine engineer at Mitsubishi motors.

  • @porsche911CarreraRSR
    @porsche911CarreraRSR 11 лет назад +44

    MIVEC just kicked in yo!

    • @Alex-hu4yf
      @Alex-hu4yf 4 года назад +5

      Mivec is the superior tec lol

  • @johnny1appleseed
    @johnny1appleseed 12 лет назад +8

    The MIVEC vs. VVT-i is a pretty fun race. I raced my buddy who has a 2008 Scion tC, HKS Cold Air Intake,removed catalysis converter, and Magnaflow exhaust vs. My 2011 Lancer with Magnaflow exhaust. He had the advantage in weight and take off the line, but I had the advantage of power in higher RPM's and MPH.

  • @elite128
    @elite128 15 лет назад +12

    I love japanese technical videos because they always have some sort of quasi rock background music w/ B.A guitar solos

  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained 12 лет назад +18

    For English, you can watch my videos in the video response section. Though I've only explained VTEC and 3-Stage, but at least it should be clear.

    • @wodzu2203
      @wodzu2203 4 года назад +1

      I don't understand it all, but I already prefer this version ;P

    • @pyrorenegade4983
      @pyrorenegade4983 3 года назад +2

      so rare to find your comment so un-noticed xD

    • @mirzaiscandle
      @mirzaiscandle 7 месяцев назад

      rare engineering explained cameo with 15 likes

  • @travef9
    @travef9 15 лет назад +10

    From what I see, Mivec and Vtec run on the same priciple which is 2 primary cam profiles. One for low end torque and the other for high end. The VVT is not nearly as good because it only adjust the timing on a single cam profile. The new iVtec is basically a cross between VVT and Vtec/Mivec.
    All in all the newer motors seem to be pretty impressive

  • @Bobadillak100
    @Bobadillak100 8 лет назад +49

    the video just says, that at the end if u want more power, u need a turbo.

  • @knillink
    @knillink 10 лет назад +25

    MIVEC is by Japanese auto manufacturer Mitsubishi
    VTEC is by Japanese auto manufacturer Honda
    VVT is by Japanese auto manufacturer Toyota
    Why would this video be in any language other than Japanese?

    • @ThunderWindz
      @ThunderWindz 10 лет назад +12

      cus 90% of youtube understand english while 5% of them udnerstand japanese. also because 35% of all cars in euro are japanese ofc. it should be in english u dumb fuck.

    • @NickAndo2
      @NickAndo2 9 лет назад +8

      Greg Hudnall If the video is in another language with no subtitles, the uploader shouldn't put the title in English.

    • @knillink
      @knillink 9 лет назад

      It's still pretty moot to complain about it.

    • @mrstampercn
      @mrstampercn 9 лет назад

      +NickAndo2 I agree and I can't stand it when people do that

    • @connormcgirrable
      @connormcgirrable 5 лет назад

      The title was in English plain and simple

  • @mibars
    @mibars 15 лет назад +19

    You know... VTEC and MIVEC does exactly the same thing :)

    • @michaelhall3619
      @michaelhall3619 5 лет назад +3

      Oh really ? Like the same exact thing? Or are they slightly different

    • @MForrester
      @MForrester 4 года назад +4

      @@michaelhall3619 MIVEC feels like smooth change ...VTEC feels like an abrupt change over.......the differences never bothered me

  • @adm2204
    @adm2204 16 лет назад

    You have wowed me with your words of wisdom. I now totally agree with everything you say. I am hypnotized by your eloquence as you must be as much a master of engines as you are of spelling and grammar, as well as wit.

  • @meandmyevo
    @meandmyevo 15 лет назад +1

    I was talking about the engine itself, not the whole car. Toyotas are less efficient due to heavier duty parts because they are overbuilt like you wouldn't believe. You wanna know how many civics, accords, preludes I fix every month? a LOT more than the camyrs'(sp?), corollas, prius's(??), yaris's's's(?!?!?!), echos and all those.
    I AM my info, I've been an ASE certified drivetrain repair specialist for 20 years.

  • @meandmyevo
    @meandmyevo 15 лет назад +5

    MIVEC gives variable lift and duration(phase as you call it) for intake AND exhaust. exactly the same as VTEC. if you look at the cam lobes in the MIVEC engine, you'll see that one cam is taller, fatter, starts earlier in the revolution, and ends later than the other. thus greater lift and duration. if you look at the cam profiles for a VTEC engine, you'll have a hard time telling them apart as they look almost identical.

  • @Kamuichan99
    @Kamuichan99 11 лет назад +33

    In a nutshell - he tried to race a Civic in his Lancer. After VTEC kicked, his boss ordered him to explain why he lost (which he is doing now) and after that find Fegelein.

    • @PFelizSuero
      @PFelizSuero 4 года назад +2

      You actually now that MIVEC is way better then VTEC

    • @vascorodriguez6642
      @vascorodriguez6642 3 года назад +2

      @@PFelizSuero there's nothing better than vtec. Not even turbos

    • @PFelizSuero
      @PFelizSuero 3 года назад +1

      @@vascorodriguez6642 hahahaha
      Bro i have had both and i know which one is better!! MIVEC is way superior!!

    • @TheMoo-o
      @TheMoo-o 3 года назад

      @@PFelizSuero why is mivec better ? honest question i am curious

    • @PFelizSuero
      @PFelizSuero 3 года назад +1

      @@TheMoo-o Just better performance bro!!

  • @HENRY243
    @HENRY243 11 лет назад +4

    Ohhh, okay.... totally understood. thanks bro.

  • @Descente36
    @Descente36 14 лет назад +3

    @dblancer apparently, you've never heard of the 4G63 motor

  • @chrisdabom
    @chrisdabom 17 лет назад +1

    Also in the Lancer and Mirage...The 4cylinder mivec engines put out the same power but MORE torque then the same honda engine.
    4g92 (1600cc MIVEC) vs B16a (1600cc Honda)
    Google it...

  • @WiseEm88
    @WiseEm88 11 лет назад +4

    Woah !!! Best vid ever!

  • @marfigue777
    @marfigue777 3 года назад +3

    I can tell that those Japanese guys was talking about cars the whole time

  • @nikolaromanos456
    @nikolaromanos456 9 лет назад +21

    What did he say?

    • @billmago7991
      @billmago7991 7 лет назад +6

      turn your speakers up ;)

    • @azlan7767
      @azlan7767 5 лет назад +1

      He said balabak noh agayo...

  • @beyondthegrave2005
    @beyondthegrave2005 16 лет назад

    It's the same system at heart, just Toyota wanted to up the standards... by the time of the AE101 the VVT system was upgraded to VVT-i, in which valve timing was more electronically supported. VVTL-i is the same system, just it's running on dual adjustable cam gears instead of only one like its predecessors.

  • @DMX-PAT
    @DMX-PAT 7 лет назад +3

    best video ever!!! Now all I need to do is learn Japanese...

    • @edwinmadrid3867
      @edwinmadrid3867 7 лет назад

      thelocustemperor same I'm starting Japanese in college just for this man, you know knowledge is power and this video has both

  • @jaygan3176
    @jaygan3176 11 лет назад +7

    English please? any translation? TQVM

  • @delfartel
    @delfartel 14 лет назад

    @1PARADOXXX No you can clearly hear mivec, i'm pretty sure every variable valve timing system you can hear when it is working.

  • @jkralowell
    @jkralowell 17 лет назад

    Correct. The BMW-based technology for (continuously) variable valve lift is brand-named as "Valvetronic". Valvetronic & Vanos work together. I don't know wether Valvetronic beat Honda VTEC to market - but I think it came out around 1999, and I recall it won an "engine of the year" award in it's category. I'm too lazy to try to describe the Valvetronic approach, but it's very different than the approaches shown in these videos (although the essential concept is the same).

  • @rofLopolous
    @rofLopolous 12 лет назад

    @NipponGTO I think Nissan calls them NEO, NEO-RB25DET for instance.

  • @flinchey
    @flinchey 15 лет назад +1

    mivec is also meant to work from a much lower RPM range than VTEC, though without the whole OMG VTEC JUST KICKED IN, that happens when VTEC goes off above 5-6k.

  • @RXHardstyle
    @RXHardstyle 14 лет назад

    @1PARADOXXX it depends on how aggressive the cam profile is

  • @82raptor
    @82raptor 14 лет назад

    If you notice on the honda system the intake valves in non vtec open at different times and for different duration for better low end torque and unleashes the dogs in vtec... the others dont do that... which is another reason that in my opinion the honda is the best. GOOD VID

  • @fijitears
    @fijitears 2 года назад

    Thanks my friends for everything ❗️🇯🇵

  • @moisescaravali9653
    @moisescaravali9653 4 года назад +1

    El japones es totalmente claro para mi, este vídeo fue de mucha ayuda, entendí todo :)

    • @Gabrielkgaray
      @Gabrielkgaray 3 года назад +1

      es broma no??? o de verdad lo entendiste...

  • @blondie576
    @blondie576 17 лет назад

    nice video r4pt0r
    mit den vid sieht man gut wie der motor aufgebaut ist und die nockenwellen schaltet :-)
    frage: Coltmania?

  • @devinthierault
    @devinthierault 8 лет назад +1

    What about DZNUTZ I heard that's a good one

  • @RaduMichael
    @RaduMichael 3 года назад

    Arents the MIVEC lifters hydraulic? 🤔

    • @adrianlovic6486
      @adrianlovic6486 Год назад

      No.the 4g69 2.4ltr mivec uses solid lifters & thats. I think because its sohc

  • @Maccattack77
    @Maccattack77 16 лет назад

    i think what slzkilla was tryin to say is MIVEC was designed as an aid to a turbocharged engine. it was designed to assist with turbo lag, because the evo engines are all turbocharged. Whereas with the honda vtec, it was designed purely for NA tuning. so in the comparison on the video, VTEC would out perform the MIVEC when just considering the NA side of things. It could for all we know outperform it on the turbocharged side of things too. although i doubt it. they should compare Vario-cam too.

  • @TheBassPlace
    @TheBassPlace 15 лет назад

    maybe a dumb question, but is this movie available in english somewhere?

  • @FD36
    @FD36 11 лет назад

    And even TViS is not valve timing, I think it has something to do with the intake manifold, do correct me if i'm wrong

  • @joselozano0528
    @joselozano0528 11 лет назад

    What about t-vis, & duel Tec?

  • @meandmyevo
    @meandmyevo 15 лет назад +1

    new MIVEC systems also alter lift of both intake and exhaust ports. however they are deemed by people like you to be somehow inferior even though the yield the exact same results. Why is that? is the system somehow better because it is offered on smaller and/or cheaper POS cars?

  • @summitsvift
    @summitsvift 3 года назад

    I own Cyborg Rs, hope will keep it forever

  • @fidelcatsro6948
    @fidelcatsro6948 8 лет назад +1

    soon we can expect variable piston displacement timing, variable connecting rod timing, variable compression ratio timing, mechanics will be getting more and more headaches as well

  • @crxdelsolsir
    @crxdelsolsir 17 лет назад

    By the other manufacturers comparing their valve controls systems to Honda Vtec they not only prove that Honda had a working (not gimmick) valve technology but also shows that Honda was ahead in engine technology as Vtec was around years before Mivec, VVT, VVTi, Vanos Copies etc

  • @johanz007
    @johanz007 16 лет назад

    that's vvtl-i , how bout vvt? without lifting. example in 4age 20v engine, it dont have lifting cam but still can kick mivec and b16b on the track.

  • @rokhonda
    @rokhonda 15 лет назад

    Sory my freind but I dont have bike :(
    You are from Florida? nice....What wether do you have right now? cold or form?

  • @StratfordWingRider
    @StratfordWingRider 14 лет назад +1

    @Descente36 I've not only heard of it mate, I've owned one! I had a 1990 VX-S Galant with a high compression 4G63. It wasn't the engine that was problematic, it was the rest of the car, the electrics, the sundries and accessories. Plus it was pretty heavy and the handling was a bit to be desired. I do believe the Evos and GSRs are excellent cars, but even then still expensive to fix.... still much rather a Mitsi than a Subaru even then.

  • @Boujai12
    @Boujai12 10 лет назад +9

    well, they re all japanese so they are all good...

  • @darkenddream
    @darkenddream 15 лет назад

    yea ur right but wut about the civic DX for example how good r those r18a1 engines

  • @albikavo
    @albikavo 17 лет назад

    I'm not saying this because I have the mivec. But the Vtec controls only the exhaust valve timing. But the Mivec controls both Intake valve timing and exhaust valve timing. What you may have heard is that hondaq engines with vtec have a higher power output. But that is just the peak power at high rpm but the low-end torque is horrible.

  • @zajdabneeg
    @zajdabneeg 15 лет назад

    lol we will have to test to see. the 2zzge on the celica is pretty fast. Don't gsr have B18c? I thought gsr can't pull corolla with 2zzge?

  • @johanz007
    @johanz007 16 лет назад

    It's true that B16b is better than 4age in term of performance, but on track we r not only considering the engine performance. Turbo is faster compared to NA engine but on track it sux. On track, handling is one of the most important thing. Remember 2nd profile of vtec's cam is nearly 300 degree, but 4age don't have this kind of 2nd profile cam's degree at 4 - 5krpm. VVT also do not give any performance output, it only helps to optimise the fuel efficiency. It's basically a normal 1.6 engine.

  • @ldiddynyc
    @ldiddynyc 16 лет назад

    yup. plus timing tech helps when you have RPMs to work with after it kicks in. That's Honda's specialty with 8,9, and 10K RPM engines. ;)

  • @johanz007
    @johanz007 16 лет назад

    That's 1.6 vs 2.0 turbo . Perhaps u might want a contender with 2 liter engine as well. Have u tried with new civic type R??

  • @kodiak410a
    @kodiak410a 16 лет назад

    What country are we in again?

  • @crxdelsolsir
    @crxdelsolsir 15 лет назад

    Commercially anything that makes power comes at a premium (since power is what everyone wants) hence even if it is old tech (turbo) it is still an option or reserved only for the premium models.
    Same reason that powered seats, leather and sunroof has been around since the 60's (manufactured cheaper today) and is still a premium and reserved item.
    But in the intellectual side, producing the same hp or overall performance w/out force induction is regarded as more admirable.

  • @crxdelsolsir
    @crxdelsolsir 15 лет назад

    Yes it does.
    Thats the whole point of the comparison.
    Being the best in the same category is all about having more (or the most) amongst your peers (under the same rules and restrictions & category).
    You cant argue against the most powerful 4 cylinder turbo car by throwing in an argument about a 6 cylinder turbo car, or an 8, 10 , jet or rocket car.
    The best - is finding a way of having more (than your peers - under the same conditions - could not ).
    The little things makes the difference.

  • @noorsyukri3083
    @noorsyukri3083 7 лет назад

    i cant get what he said . can tell me which one better ?

  • @94XJ
    @94XJ 17 лет назад +1

    FIAT had the first VVT system and GM developed VVT in 1975. Alfa Romeo was the first to mass produce VVT. Nissan beat Honda as well with the VG30DE in 86...VTEC finally showed up in 86.

  • @Em12k
    @Em12k 14 лет назад

    so someone correct me if i'm wrong.. Honda was the founder of the variable timing right??

  • @mikey380sx
    @mikey380sx 14 лет назад

    @1PARADOXXX No...there is a pretty noticeable change in the diamante DOHC V6 mivec...well the ones i've heard anyway

  • @johnny1appleseed
    @johnny1appleseed 12 лет назад

    I'm sorry, I drive the 2011 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X GSR. A highly tuned turbocharged sport sedan, surely Honda's VTEC or i-TVEC can't compete. What do you drive?

  • @abec666
    @abec666 15 лет назад

    Kinda yes.But trust me low cam works better from a high cam at low-mid rpm range so 2 cam sizes is not bad.But yes Hondas start to pul from 3800+.Its not a problem if your redline is at 9k rpm.

  • @PrimeTimeGrimester
    @PrimeTimeGrimester 13 лет назад

    @EthansOpinion92 Actually I believe toyota recieves assistance from yamaha on developing the valvetrains of their hi output engines

  • @ICM0n3y
    @ICM0n3y 14 лет назад

    So if they wanted to, could they do a V8 vtech?

  • @Spacemonkeymojo
    @Spacemonkeymojo Год назад

    So which system is the best?!

  • @tatsuo256
    @tatsuo256 16 лет назад

    My AE82 rolla (with 20V Blacktop) is V V T perfection almost, it blows Hondas, Nissans and Mitsubishis off the road.
    Oh what a feeling!

  • @flyingdegu92
    @flyingdegu92 13 лет назад

    @henry51563 actually a stock crx with a b16a with y1 trans will do low 15's high 14's in a quarter mile on street tires. while a stock 5.0 mustang will do 14.5-15 second runs..

  • @boyishiyah
    @boyishiyah 13 лет назад

    @TheForza1000 what do you mean it rusted ?
    my cousin in england used to have a landrover but it broke down and then she got a shogun 2003 model and she hasent had nothing wrong with it since, and here i c loads of old pajeros still running from 1980s and we have a 1998 galant and nothing has gone wrong with it only ofcourse brake pads and other minor stuff but my pajero is 2010 swb n its great for a girl who doesnt need the big lwb.
    in kuwait fuel is cheap and actually my pajero does 13.2l/100km

  • @meandmyevo
    @meandmyevo 15 лет назад

    I couldn't agree more that Honda focuses zealously on producing a good engine, and I can't argue that they usually do a damn good job. However, their VTEC system just is not at all dissimilar from or superior to many other VVT systems.

  • @macthemec
    @macthemec 16 лет назад

    so, you are saying 100 year old butterfly throttles and static and/or staged camshaft timing is more advanced than variable intake/exhaust camshaft timing and variable (not staged) intake valve opening?
    to digress to the waranty issue, BMW has replaced several of the new M5 V10's under warranty. considering the X5's V8 is $21,000 retail, that engine most likeley costs more than most hondas.

  • @adamakna8347
    @adamakna8347 4 года назад +2

    He told that mivec is always better

  • @4aGeCeresGt
    @4aGeCeresGt 17 лет назад

    ohk, take a 4age blacktop 20v 1.6, a vtec b16a 1.6, and a mivec 4g92 1.6? which one is the best??? u guys decide

  • @Mryopa90
    @Mryopa90 8 лет назад +1

    4age the best????

  • @gianniskrs
    @gianniskrs 13 лет назад

    So, wich engine is better??
    ...a VTI or a 4AGE...??
    I'm going to buy car and i am between a Civic VTI and a Corolla G6 4AGE...... some help please!

  • @lazio20roe
    @lazio20roe 11 лет назад

    he is truly wise beyond his years

  • @dan8852
    @dan8852 15 лет назад

    beautiful engineering

  • @naldy240sx
    @naldy240sx 16 лет назад

    donde encuentro e ste video en español?

  • @your2truly
    @your2truly 15 лет назад

    how about dvvt cvt campro

  • @Greg11980
    @Greg11980 14 лет назад

    In my oppinion, and I know (no one asked) is the one that can rev the highest reliably with out breaking, and idle at the lowest rpm. If it can rev higher and make good power over a good spread and idle lower making good economy with good torque at a low rpm up until mid rpm that would be the best engine and and honda is close. Best for the money

  • @rhairulazalia
    @rhairulazalia 11 лет назад

    Which is the best?

  • @hamdanalharbi2206
    @hamdanalharbi2206 9 лет назад +9

    subs won't kill ya you known...

    • @TheNotoriousKRP
      @TheNotoriousKRP 9 лет назад

      +Hamdan Alharbi
      I heard subs can be deadly.

  • @benkerr69
    @benkerr69 13 лет назад

    i enjoy the constant tourqe of my vvti

  • @tenkuunokage
    @tenkuunokage 16 лет назад

    thank you for posting

  • @zajdabneeg
    @zajdabneeg 15 лет назад

    i see. so there are the weak version of b18c. iono i heard that honda motors are only strong when it is high top rpm.

  • @mando8000
    @mando8000 15 лет назад

    its just fun and most people dont need or cant afford a 300hp car. i drive my 99 si coupe around hitting vtec all the time like i said its fun

  • @crxdelsolsir
    @crxdelsolsir 15 лет назад

    You forget that needed twin turbo and a 5.5ltr engine to perform the way it does.
    F1 in the turbo era only had single turbo, smaller displacement of 1.5 litre and no doubt lower boost.

  • @meandmyevo
    @meandmyevo 15 лет назад

    I hesitate to say that the new "advanced VTEC" is an IMPROVEMENT, as much as an alteration. instead of using different cam profiles, they are using different rocker arms... different way of doing the exact same thing.

  • @meandmyevo
    @meandmyevo 15 лет назад +1

    Honda does build a pretty bulletproof motor, but I've seen a MIVEC go through HELL and keep going. just look at the WRC Evolutions!

  • @Metalhead852
    @Metalhead852 17 лет назад

    Yeah I would say Honda and Nissan have really nailed down n/a engines. I would say that's why both really outlast the rest of the compition.

  • @PedroSilva1988
    @PedroSilva1988 11 лет назад +3

    MIVEC IS THE BEST...Nm(kgm)/rpm

  • @travef9
    @travef9 17 лет назад

    You are incorrect. On sohc honda engines the Vtec only controls the intake valves. On almost all of the dohc motors it is controlled on the both intake and exhaust. On the new iVTEC it controls lift on both sides and also advances the intake cam electronically. This allows for the timing to be moddified and tuned for better midrange power and torque.

  • @Samqdf
    @Samqdf 14 лет назад

    @KyleKatastrofee not when you can't vary the duration or lift.

  • @tenmanlover
    @tenmanlover 14 лет назад

    damn this looks good now if only i could understand kengi

  • @albikavo
    @albikavo 17 лет назад

    About who takes of first is a matter of torque car weight etc. Do a google search for k20a dyno and 4b11 dyno.
    Look at the torque curves and see that the 4b11 has higher and flatter low end torque. It is just a matter of tuning 520a is tuned for high power output. That just means that its powerband its in the high rpm

  • @jasonbourne384
    @jasonbourne384 11 лет назад

    Is there an English version

  • @meandmyevo
    @meandmyevo 15 лет назад

    i completely agree, but admirable doesn't win races, torque does. the most powerful engines in the world use forced induction for a reason.

  • @Imreadingthisaloud
    @Imreadingthisaloud 13 лет назад

    @ForlornDespair i dont see the firing order being of any relavence to power output, its still 8 bangs per crank rotation. so tell me again about how displacement works to power? Displacement VS Displacement the american V8s are not on par..im sorry man in the power output. as for your track times and 0-60, thats an engine paired with a chasis, and thats another thing all together...wud u like to compare euro chasis to american?

  • @dlee4she
    @dlee4she 16 лет назад

    what about cvtc??????

  • @wallaweih
    @wallaweih 17 лет назад

    any english version?

  • @boyishiyah
    @boyishiyah 13 лет назад

    @EthansOpinion92 actually mitsubishis engines are powerful and reliable and they have the first ever diesle engine in a car with variable valve timing so dont diss mitsu :)