Brilliant, if you are fitting a 4040, but I'm fitting a 2130 and can't find the dimensions to mark for the pilot holes anywhere. The template is brilliant if you are fitting to the pull side, but if you are fitting to the push side, you're on your own...
7:07 Unfortunately, the installer Jeff makes a major mistake here. He preloads the unit first, which is correct, but you then should put the arm on parallel to the door so when you release the wrench, the arm will be pushing against the door, almost in it's final position, but it will be under tension. This is called "preloading". But he moves the arm around, unable to find the hole, then finally swings it right out to the same angle as the wrench and puts it on there! Now when he lets go the wrench and the whole arm swings back to its original position, undoing the preloaded tension he had just created. This is covered quite clearly in the 4040XP instructions. The purpose of preloading is so the arm will have enough tension to pull the door shut, even over the last 2 or 3 inches of travel.
So im kind of training at the moment and we have to install a bunch of these I a few days. My boss is having me watch these videos instead of training me properly and I need hands on to actually understand but thes videos seem to only show 1 way to install this thing.
@sebpellerin I stopped working for that guy. Dude kept taking me off projects for no reason and then telling me that I'm not making him enough money. When I called for help or advice that would help me learn, he would just say "figure it out" they sent me out in a snow storm to rekey an entire complex of over 100 doors and got mad I couldn't move faster once I lost feeling in my hands. This is just some of the stuff, dude didn't even pay me enough to get health insurance, and refused to provide it. I work for a much better company now making $6 more an hour, plus benefits. And they provide everything. Enough breaking my own tools.
wondered that myself, but if one wants to mitigate any negligence issues with respect to the warranty or life safety issues, follow the directions to the letter.. anything less and the mfr or plaintiff has a better chance of hanging costs on you.
Hello there, you can use that valve for any application where the closer is on push side of the door or where you need the backcheck to start earlier in the door swing, (this means you can use it for TJ installs) but best because of warranties, read the installtemplate/instructions to the letter (and the label on the tube of closer) I commonly hear of and see right the opposite, user installs the closer and the valve is NOT closed, backcheck starts late in door opening angles. -Jess the door closer doctor
n310ea - If you're going to install a closer in a parallel arm configuration like this one in the video, you should ALWAYS install for 180° door swing even if the door doesn't open that wide, that way there will be less stress on the forearm and shoe.
You should make the 4111 LH and RH universal and charge more for your closers and people will but less but you'll get more prissy and waste less resources and can pay your people more when people screw up and eat a closer and send at least one self tapper with every closer, people take the extra screws and when you come back to do a punch you burn up your own drill bits you buy
ok these are all great for the complete noob... but one way to accelerate the process for the parallel arm mounting is to find the centerline for the shoe mounting, the center line of the shoe, line up both and put the edge of the shoe at the door edge of the stop and just use your marker to outline the inside of the screw holes and there are no markings once the holes are drilled and the screws run in place. :)
Your way has to many steps. The template is all set for fast installs. My 35 years doing doors and construction have developed shortcuts to save time and grief. Never a closer to high or low or not square with the door.
Todd Stepp It would only be a right hand reverse if the lock is on the pull side of the door. If the lock is on the push side it would be a left hand door. And actually, in this video the door is a left hand reverse due to the fact that the lock cylinder is on the pull side of the door.
Another bullshit video...If the door is not level, then making sure the square is level does not apply...Also, she says mark 4 and 5 inches from the line, so the guy marks 5 and a half and 4 and a half, in that order...Then, I turned the video off....
its stupid that they put the closers to far away from the hinge it makes it stretch the arms absouloutly ridicules EWW i think the american door closers are ugly just the look off them in my opinion
Brilliant, if you are fitting a 4040, but I'm fitting a 2130 and can't find the dimensions to mark for the pilot holes anywhere. The template is brilliant if you are fitting to the pull side, but if you are fitting to the push side, you're on your own...
7:07 Unfortunately, the installer Jeff makes a major mistake here. He preloads the unit first, which is correct, but you then should put the arm on parallel to the door so when you release the wrench, the arm will be pushing against the door, almost in it's final position, but it will be under tension. This is called "preloading". But he moves the arm around, unable to find the hole, then finally swings it right out to the same angle as the wrench and puts it on there! Now when he lets go the wrench and the whole arm swings back to its original position, undoing the preloaded tension he had just created. This is covered quite clearly in the 4040XP instructions. The purpose of preloading is so the arm will have enough tension to pull the door shut, even over the last 2 or 3 inches of travel.
I noticed that too.
So im kind of training at the moment and we have to install a bunch of these I a few days. My boss is having me watch these videos instead of training me properly and I need hands on to actually understand but thes videos seem to only show 1 way to install this thing.
That’s frustrating. It’s all in the instructions but they give you instructions to mount 3 different ways so can be kind of confusing.
So how did it go finally buddy
@sebpellerin I stopped working for that guy. Dude kept taking me off projects for no reason and then telling me that I'm not making him enough money. When I called for help or advice that would help me learn, he would just say "figure it out" they sent me out in a snow storm to rekey an entire complex of over 100 doors and got mad I couldn't move faster once I lost feeling in my hands. This is just some of the stuff, dude didn't even pay me enough to get health insurance, and refused to provide it. I work for a much better company now making $6 more an hour, plus benefits. And they provide everything. Enough breaking my own tools.
Is there any door weight that can stop the door closer from opening faster
Can you place the door swing on either side of the door ?
You can mount on push side or on pull side. however an EDA arm is only mountable on the push side.
you didn't have a square without any rust?
Have old one 1480 -71 / 1460 T
As far as I can tell you only close the valve in the back of the cylinder on parallel arm applications, why not on the other apps.?
wondered that myself, but if one wants to mitigate any negligence issues with respect to the warranty or life safety issues, follow the directions to the letter.. anything less and the mfr or plaintiff has a better chance of hanging costs on you.
Hello there, you can use that valve for any application where the closer is on push side of the door or where you need the backcheck to start earlier in the door swing, (this means you can use it for TJ installs) but best because of warranties, read the installtemplate/instructions to the letter (and the label on the tube of closer)
I commonly hear of and see right the opposite, user installs the closer and the valve is NOT closed, backcheck starts late in door opening angles.
-Jess the door closer doctor
Where can I get one of those awesome LCN hex wrenches?
Attend an LCN Training class!! They're free
Jeff Tock I wish I could but I am only 15
Jeff Tock LOL !
what if the closer is opening not closing
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I'm a complete idiot but even I was able to adjust the latch speed after watching this video.
+Michael Greenberg Thanks very much for your comment - we’re glad you found the video useful!
How do you install the closer for a 180° door swing?
We would recommend using the stick on template in the box. If you need any more help, please feel free to call our customer care, at 877-671-7011.
180 7and 7/8
120 10 inches
90 11 inches and half
@@danielbuendia1214 Easy crack it’s all in the instructions 😂😂😂😂😂😂
n310ea - If you're going to install a closer in a parallel arm configuration like this one in the video, you should ALWAYS install for 180° door swing even if the door doesn't open that wide, that way there will be less stress on the forearm and shoe.
You should make the 4111 LH and RH universal and charge more for your closers and people will but less but you'll get more prissy and waste less resources and can pay your people more when people screw up and eat a closer and send at least one self tapper with every closer, people take the extra screws and when you come back to do a punch you burn up your own drill bits you buy
Combination square not tee square.
+Carmine Mineo You are correct! Thank you for your feedback.
DOES LCN HAVE TEMPLATES FOR PARALLEL INSTALLATIONS NOT MADE OUT PAPER
LCN does not, but I do. Lexan Plastic, you mae one measurement and you're ready to go.
The door will slam and won't latch
ok these are all great for the complete noob... but one way to accelerate the process for the parallel arm mounting is to find the centerline for the shoe mounting, the center line of the shoe, line up both and put the edge of the shoe at the door edge of the stop and just use your marker to outline the inside of the screw holes and there are no markings once the holes are drilled and the screws run in place. :)
Your way has to many steps. The template is all set for fast installs. My 35 years doing doors and construction have developed shortcuts to save time and grief. Never a closer to high or low or not square with the door.
@@andrewvaldez5340 oooo woooaaooo to much of short cuts 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good 0:00/12:20
Sex bolts are needed for wood doors or as u say through bolts b
Carmine Mineo Sex Bolts are used on Mineral Core/Fire Doors...
If that door swung the other way it would be a right handed reverse, not a left handed.
Todd Stepp It would only be a right hand reverse if the lock is on the pull side of the door. If the lock is on the push side it would be a left hand door. And actually, in this video the door is a left hand reverse due to the fact that the lock cylinder is on the pull side of the door.
@@cheney512 simple but a lot of “masters” get confused 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
When you called a combination square a t square is when I stopped watching.
Another bullshit video...If the door is not level, then making sure the square is level does not apply...Also, she says mark 4 and 5 inches from the line, so the guy marks 5 and a half and 4 and a half, in that order...Then, I turned the video off....
its stupid that they put the closers to far away from the hinge it makes it stretch the arms absouloutly ridicules EWW i think the american door closers are ugly just the look off them in my opinion
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