Jim Cornette Reviews WWE Rivals: John Cena vs. Batista
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- From Episode 532 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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If it makes Cornette feel any better Batista did eventually become Undertaker’s rival in 2007. They had some of the best matches in their careers together, even stole the show at Wrestlemania 23.
I was at Ford Field that night. Went from being pissed they were going on 4th, to marking out big time. Great great match, arguably the start of the late career Undertaker renaissance (I’d go with Angle/Taker at NWO 06).
My Brother and I were at Ford Field for WrestleMania 23, that was our first WrestleMania in Person. Yes, I consider that Match to be one of The Best Matches of Batista's Career.
From what I remember about 23, it was petty theft.
My favorite streak match of all time.
@@TakeNoteOfThat Damn you gotta see my favorite wm ever live in person. Im so jealous.
Batista used to wear sunglasses in the ring to hide his nervousness in talking in front of crowds
It's comforting knowing a tank like that can still get anxiety!
Same reason Bret Hart wore the shades initially as he said in his book, he didn't have confidence in his promos when he was young and he thought people could see it in his eyes.
Cena, Batista, Lesnar, Lashley, Orton, Shelton.
6 of the best ever all trained by Cornette, but he’s “out of touch”. Corny is more in touch than Dan Schneider at a summer camp.
Idk if I’d use that metaphor but fuck me that’s funny dawg 😂
They weren’t trained by cornette his in ring was shit😭 and he wasn’t the only person helping with promos he’s the only one 2 brag about it he helped them ur giving to much credit
Damn bro always dunking on these comments. WilCee is the Michael Jordan of Cornette Comments 💯
Says a lot that they all had long careers and overcame bad booking because of their sheer ability
You're talking like they debuted this year. This was back in the early 2000s. Cornette could very well be out of touch today
Drax vs Peacemaker
Drax, all day.
Close as we'll get to DC v Marvel
Both them did a fantastic job in them roles
I’ll do you one better… why is drax? 😂
Bald guy in Dune vs. Dominic Teretto’s brother.
The fact that Cena nearly got cut and didn’t because Stephanie heard him rap explains why WWE struggled to make stars after that 05 class for a decade
Thank Dementia Vince and John Laryngitis for that. They were incapable of making new stars hence why there was such a big void of stars in the 2010s.
And it's not like they didn't have talented guys; Vince just didn't know how to use them or get them over
@@kaathesacolyte2943 i think that once they had squashed the competition Vince got back to his old habits with scatologia humor, goofy gimmicks and thing about 'personnality' and pushing guys like super heroes. Just take a look at how they handled NXT guys at first, it was rough too even with triple H's involvement.
Hell, that couple literally made two of the biggest guys in the mid 2010s- when Jim all but confirms they had what it took to get over. Makes you wonder just how much potential we lost because of Vinnie Mac and Johnny Ace
@@MarvinT0606 Consider that Drew and Cody were in WWE by this point and under Vince they were "the guy he handpicked" and Dashing/Stardust. Free from him they are now two of the biggest stars WWE has.
@@arthurdaffos1490 I think it was also going corporate; Vince felt like he was bullet proof so he fell back into the goofy early 90s bookings. Not to mention he added in all of his weird perversions like going from the evil boss to the "genetic jackhammer".
Batista mentioned in an old interview that he took the sleeves off his deacon outfit, WWE somehow couldn't comprehend the value of showing off his physique.
It's amazing how precisely right Jim was about Batista, right down to how long Batista would last as a main eventer. As soon as Batista ascended to the top 2005, it fit him far easier than messing around in the mid card did
Batista wasn't taken out of the main event because he wasn't over any longer, he was still over and left of his own accord. Perhaps he could've lasted up there for many more years.
@@pkj2148 He deffo could have laster much longer especially as his character was the best we seen with his heel serious gimmick
@pkj2148 I don't know about that; Batista spent over a quarter of his last 1 year injured. And he wasn't going to get more spry. He could've gone on longer, but with diminishing returns
If you asked me in 2008 who was gonna be the best actor out of all the wrestlers turned actors, Batista wouldn’t of even made the short list. Gotta give him props for that transition, he’s proven to be very legit.
unfortunately his size works against him. I know he wants more serious roles but he's always going to get shoehorned into big guy roles.
@@benjambreegyou have no idea what you are talking about
Baptista is the worst actor ever imagined did you see Dune? Lol also he has TDS
Agree he’s easily the best on screen. I loved him in knives out
@@benjambreegyou didn’t see the m night movie then
Batista vs Undertaker and Cena vs Orton were the best feuds these 2 had imo
I agree except towards the end Cena and Orton got played out after like 18 matches over the years
I might prefer Cena vs Edge tbh. Edge and Orton were both amazing heels of that era tho for sure.
Cena and Punk also had a good short rivalry
And really love the Batista and Taker feud
Good times, miss the ruthless aggression era
Cena v Orton was Insanely boring after the first few matches.
People are on glue if they're saying it was an amazing fued
Can we talk about how A&E disrespected Chris Jericho in the episode by calling him the Raw General Manager in 2005.
I preferred Jericho's 2007 brief run
Batista really is the definition of what a wrestler should look like and what you think of. The Batista Bomb was such an iconic finisher too.
Can’t expect wrestlers to use steroids
@@pleaseshutup7053 I know, nvr said they should. I mean look at Gunther, he would pass as a wrestler as well
@@pleaseshutup7053 steroids or not. Wrestlers should develop discipline in making themselves look good imo.
@@jayteepanganiban4301 that’s what most of them do in the wwe anyways
The Batista bomb was far more believable than the The Rock Bottom. Man, that was a laughable finishing move.
Batista beaten, battered, bruised, belligerent in a wheel chair is in the top echelon of pro wrestling performances.
In hindsight, it should have been his last in ring appearance. He was a star, and he proved it when we were all sceptical about his adamant claims.
It'a shame he left in 2010 as he deffo could have laster much longer especially as his character was the best we seen with his heel serious gimmick
That stuff was some Steineristic art
@@RAZERDsXe "I'm hurt!"
Nah, screw Corny's opinion on this one. Thuganomics Cena is the best version of Cena. It was perfect for the time. The Wire was on. Hip hop clothing lines were hot. The cars would stop and the rims would keep spinning. Doctor of Thuganomics was on point!
Corny hates rap and it was a little too sports entertainment to his taste. But it worked because Cena made it work for him, on anyone else it wouldve been a midcard gimmick forever
Word Life !
The thing is, it was a gimmick that Cena had complete control over- there were some segments long after his rapper persona that he deliberately reminded his opponent (and the crowd) that he was still the Doctor of Thuganomics. But Cena dropping the knucks and the chain was a downgrade he never recovered from. Cena showing up in WM40 with his trademark knucks would have been wild
Cornettes math is off. Batista wasn’t injury prone. He got injured like twice during his whole career. One just happened to being during one of his world title runs so he had to drop the belt. He was there from 02-11 about 8 and half to 9 years. He just BARELY missed the return of Lesnar in 2012 and he wasn’t because he was old or injury prone or couldn’t hack it he left on his own accord because he didn’t like the kiddified PG suck fest the WWE was turning into and he didn’t understand where a guy like him would still fit into the PG era and he was 100% right. Those fickle neck beard fans turned on him during his return for boring as paint drying Bryan Danielson. Good job 👏
@@thehorrorhound6575 Funny thing is I quit watching a couple years after WWE went PG as well because I was also frustrated with how the product was going. Super Cena and Brodus Clay were around then
Can't believe they left out Vince tearing both quads restarting that match 😂
"They took mah shins, Hank." 😂😂
They didn’t even include Batista “breaking cena’s neck” at summer slam with the Batista bomb
The Royal Rumble fuck up was 100% am accident. Vince was legit pissed and blew both quads because of it.
Vince did the same thing with many of the NXT Superstars. He would strip them of everything that fans liked.
I blew out both quads watching this
9:20 the way Jim talks about and compares Jade Cardgill and Batista really makes sense, in other words for anyone who don’t get it - There’s talent that you should expect “classic” matches from and there’s talent that you should expect big moments from. Maybe in certain situations the line blurs
17:32 Royal Rumble 2005 was the night Vince tore his quads and then the match got restarted.
I didn’t see Rivals but I’m not surprised if they didn’t bring Vince up.
You know why
Haven't seen it, but you can watch that part on RUclips. I enjoyed that, watched it several times.
That's the part I always remember, Vince just sitting there in the ring while everyone around him is like "Uhh...." I was watching it thinking "I don't get this. I'm not connecting the dots here."
The 2005 Rumble double elimination spot was 1 in a million perfect timing
Absolutely. That story should be mentioned in their rivalry.
More companies need to employ Jim as an advertiser. Dont give him a script just let him go wild. He has me in stitches with his advertising skills lol
Batista's heel run in 09-10 is right up there with 03 Rock and 96-97 Stone Cold for me.
I just bought a Harry’s razor today No more looking for rocks in the yard
I always like both but batista more because he was the old school. Kick ass, no bs type wrestler we grewing up loving
The Leviathan gimmick would have never worked on TV
Brian "i think so" about if Cena slapped Angle. I know they don't love wwe (i don't either) but cmon how the f do you not know that
Its amazing how many wrestlers who got over wit the fans but were buried by wwe because they were not " in the plans"
La knight going through that right now
Hell think about Punk. So many things had to go right for him to not get completely buried because of all the stuff he was involved in.
Sapper Morton vs Ricky Stanicky
Im a huge cena fan but the way they ended the last man standing match with the duct tape never sat right with me lol.
It’s creative and protected Batista
@@Myleslambeth I get it but that was too comedy for me at the time. Id expect r truth to tape miz legs together to win the us title or something not cena.
@@patrickboian8545that was a brilliant way lol. Cena literally wore him down and closed any way Batista had to untie himself and then tied him up. It was done brilliantly.
This is where Jim shines. Booking,Angles and History.
I love when Jim puts old chew Brian in his place about Dave Bautista
The Batista/Cena Rumble finish is the one Vince ran out and tore his quads
Vince should have sent Nash to tell them to restart the match
There are some guys who need to work from ground up, from undercard to main event. But there are some guys, who only fit in the main event. For me, Batista is one of those guys. Also Lesnar. It doesn’t fit them chasing midcard titles, they need to be world champions or chasing the world titles. That’s also why they don’t need to appear every week on every show.
I saw Brock in the dark match at raw before his debut, the Detroit show before mania 18, and he was a MONSTER.
The weird thing about Batista is they couldn't find a way to get him over until he went with Evolution, but when he did get over WWE liked that character so much they booked a fake Batista to "replace" him like brooo he was sitting there all this time. The problem is _you_ not Dave Batista 😆
Battle of the movie stars
Corny dressed like Katie Vick
Say what you want, but Stephanie was right this one time
who cares what the hateful people think anyway !
I'm kind of newish here in the Cult of Cornette, so I have a question. Is there a long video of Jim talking about OVW at length? Hearing him talk about his time there and the talent like Batista and Cena, among others, is incredible.
There's an omnibus video, a collection of OVW discussions on the channel. It's about 2 hours long, I think.
I liked Cena’s “Chain Gang” or Dr of Thuganomics gimmick up until about ‘09. He became Super Cena after with the cheesy shirts and catch phrases and he rarely ever lost. He was insufferable at that point. I’ve always like Batista but the Indy fans hated started to hate on him later because they wanted the small Indy guys like Daniel Bryan to get over. People whined that Batista couldn’t wrestle like Cena was a modern day Bret Hart 😂
He dropped that schtick in 2006
@@pleaseshutup7053 More like 2007
Ironically when Cena debuted on Smackdown confronting Angle in 2002 I thought this could be next Sting and Flair rivalry…
Rock has his Pepperman
Loser
Batista always been my favorite.. idky anymore. But always has and always will be.
When Batista became a main eventer it really looked like the World Heavyweight Championship was built only for Batista.
Did you all do a review on the Booker T/Stone Cold Rivalry?
One of my favorite “garbage” matches of all time was that one where Cena duct-taped Batista’s legs around the post to win. I really thought that was the start of a heel turn.
“Or on the well god damn it. You don’t wanna talk about it?” 😂
Is it possible to put all of the OVW shows onto the network? or did they lose all that shit?
Jim is dissecting this episode so well. We need an OVW documentary with the Brock/Orton/Cena/Batista crew
Shitting on Gewirtz is always a welcome listen
I think Jim should go back and watch/review select matches from about 2005-2009 Ruthless Agression era.
21:19 Well that was quite the plot twist there.
I'm just wondering how many times Conrad would've butted into the conversation if he was Jim's podcast host
John Chena vs Baptista
Jim should see the full rumble match with Vince coming out to the ring lmaoo they cut that part in the episode
I figured "The Prototype" was Corny creative. Interesting. I'd like to see how Jim would have debut these two on the main roster.
If Jim Cornette was doing the developmental right now for a company and had the same set-up as he had in OVW, who would he most trust to send his talents up to, Paul Heyman or Paul Levesque?
Right after Jim said "Katie Vick" I got a cheerful ad for Pokemon Go.
Dastardly ad placement.
When Batista is mentioned. We know we’re about to hear an earful from Corny. 😂
Hopefully, Cornette could do a review of the whole Taker vs Batista feud. Or maybe when Rivals make an episode about them, he could talk about it. Taker vs Batista was my favorite feud growing up. They're my top 2 all-time favorites even to this day. I know Batista wasn't the ring general like most people are but when those two are in the ring together, there's always this aura that I can't really describe.
We need Jim in the performance center 🤣 He doesn't even have to mentor in-person, have him stream from the castle!
didn't this episode air like 2 months ago?
They've said they're behind on the episodes, because of how busy they've been
They don't Answer Fan Questions anymore so this is their Filler 🙄
lmao Brian with his dig at the rock.
GIVE ME WANT I WANT!!
Reverend Devon 👍
These 2 should've had an actual match during 05 the royal rumble was awesome their rise at wm 21 were a,almost identical , summerslam or ss would've been the perfect opportunityy. 08 feud was cut short and by 2010 it was already too late the pg era had already taken over
I’d say that Batista was a bigger deal than Cena at that time but once Cena went to Raw he never looked back.
The smackdown vs raw 2006 game that came out in 2005 also had both stars on the cover
Batista should have lost the title at Over The Limit. He won it just to lose it a month later and lose every match following.
Batista is one of my favorite heels his game was incredible his smirk, his empty look during his attacks, his promo all his facial expressions were priceless too bad his race didn't last...
Prototype vs. Leviathian
yeah yeah yeahhh the leviathon is who i rely upon !!!
Early cena looks more like sting that ric flair
The downgrading of the gimmick with a 100% Vince McMahon thing. If he didn’t create it, he hated it. And it pissed him off when people got over organically. This wasn’t just from ov W it carried over to NXT as well. Constantly changing and ruining guys that got over under Triple H. Anyone who still defends Vince McMahon has got screws loose in their head. And believe me, there are still a lot of nut cases out there obsessed with defending Vince. Sick sick sick disgusting piece!
My fav season was him in evolution
I remember way back when you had to call your momma
If Cornette didn't get run out of OVW by nonsense, I wonder how many more classes of the best of all time we could have gotten.
Brian Gewirtz is to Dwayne "Howard Hughes" Johnson what Bucky Beaver Dunn was to Vince.
For the love of all things archival send me copies I’ll transfer it all to dvd and digital hard drives. You need this backed up in multiple formats and methods to protect it against loss god forbid something happen to the castle.
If Brian gets to have a smoke break - I want a smoke break too Jim.
Jim Cena coming out and having a match with Kurt was greart I stll remember it and I think a lot of fans do in a good way. As here was a no name guy who also beat Kurt one of WWEs top guys in a pretty good match.
Waiting on Corny to review that horrendous flamethrower spot on AEW (also waiting to see if he mentions that “Cornette is God” sign)
Carrying around a bottle of piss hahah?
Cena should come back as a heel in trunks, JBL meets Hollywood Hogan. Id have him feud with Punk, then Cody.
I’m assuming they edited out Vince running down and injuring himself in the ring walking in haha
“If Kenny (Bolin) don’t eat ‘em, I’ll beat ‘em.” - Prototype
It'a shame he left in 2010 as he deffo could have laster much longer especially as his character was the best we seen with his heel serious gimmick
If you can't get over a bad gimmick you don't have what it takes anyhow.
We need more of these stories like these instead of AEW 🗑
I wish they ran with the prototype perfect wrestler John Cena on the main roster.
Other than the Royal Rumble '04 and their Summerslam '08 match. The rivalry was underwhelming to be honest.
the newest episode of Rivals will be Hogan vs Rock which lasted all of one single match. I don’t think these show producers really understand what exactly constitutes a rivalry.
I've never agreed with Jim's take on brand splits. I think brand splits are fine, you just need to commit to them. When someone is on Smackdown and someone is on Raw, then never the two shall meet, except on very special occasions. Then the two world champions, the US and IC champions, the two tag belts, that's fine. Cause then it's like the seperate conferences or leagues or what have you in otjer professional sports. The world champion of Smackdown is the best on Smackdown, world champion on Raw is the best on Raw. The problem really arises when you have loose or non existent divides between shows. If people bop between Raw and Smackdown regularly, then you have a problem cause if Johnny Smackdown can have a match with Jimmy Raw on Monday Night Raw, then what is the Raw world heavyweight champion the champion of?
I'm sure Corny wouldn't have the same issues if WWE could have ever done it right, but it was always half assed. This shit where they would send guys from one brand to the other just to swerve the fans, but also cause they were scared to have one brand where the "good" wrestlers were (first brand split, it was SmackDown, easy), and then the fact that the PPVs were always kinda a mess during brand splits.
I think WWE let their own concept down... Multiple times. There was a lot of good to be done, but McMahon was not thinking of any of this as bring related to a SPORT, especially not after 2000 when he decided he was incapable of fucking up, and then preceded to spend two decades fucking up. If they had ever just remembered people watched wrestling for some wrestling, and given some of the sport side of things some legitimacy, the brand splits might have built into something like a Raw vs. SmackDown Super Bowl, something big between the brands when they had developed their own big names and had time to work apart. I dunno, it just should have been handled with more devotion
I still don’t buy that the Royal Rumble ending wasn’t planned.
Cena and Batista as top guys was great but I never liked them against one another. Cena being RAW's franchise guy and Batista being SmackDown's was very enjoyable
Plz review the roman reigns doc also
Yessss
Hope they do a Punk Cena episode. Jim missed out on a lot of Punk’s great work during that period.
Batista always stood out to me, I went to a Raw show back then and he was in a dark match w the Leviathan gimmick...I was like who tf is that big guy?? He didnt wrestle he was w the manager which I think may have been Paul Bearer.
Where is the review for biography for Roman
In that biography did they talk about how he Punked Goldberg, Lesnar, and Undertaker?
@@zhougongjin2704what’s your fucking problem
@@zhougongjin2704nope lol
Doesn't Corny get some credit for Punk too? Wasn't he the one that convinced WWE that Punk should get a shot? I really want to hear a deep dive on the whole "Feinstein/Sapolsky/ROH/TNA/Punk" hullabaloo. That was WILD.
I didn't hear that. I know WWE sent punk to Heyman in OVW to fire him. And Paul told them you have a main event talent in this guy.
Batista and Cena both weren’t suppose to go over, only Cena.
you know I never really thought about it, but it is absolutely fucking insane the only reason they ended up keeping cena around was his rapping ability. like everything else he had in spades but eh who cares.... wait he's got bars?!?!?!?!?!?!?!