I think most powerlifters have no issue with mutli-ply or different federations. These people are strong, they train hard, and they have their own community...great...but the problem is the standard of judging. I'm sorry but a good squat is below parallel, and a good bench and deadlift is completely locked out. This is uniform throughout the sport and throughout the world, that's it. Just like the rules of football, baseball, or any other sport is the same no matter what league, division, or country. I understand the difficulties and complexities of gear, but then call these world records WPO world records. It is unfair and ridiculous to compare some of these lifts and records to everyone else in the sport. And it's very obvious when they give away some of these lifts that are clearly not good. Everyone knows it. That's all.
As a former IPF and Special Olympics Powerlifter, I agree that Squat depth must break parallel (hips below the upper knee line), and Deadlift is nice and smooth motion with compete lockout.
Don't forget that each Powerlifting federation has different rules. For example, in the International Powerlifting Federation or IPF, the Squat depth requirement is hips below the upper knee line or "Break Parallel", and they don't use a monolift. Meanwhile, in the WPO and WPC, Squat depth rules are way different.
while i compete raw I dont have a huge issue with some of the ridiculous gear being worn, but at least complete legal lifts as judged by 99% of all other powerlifting federations
Yes this is a disgrace to all the great powerlifters who came before these men that had to do the squat correctly. You must break parallel or the lift does not count. This here is absolutely rank amateur hour.This Federation WPO is obviously a joke.
@@TheMrmovier Thank you for thinking I was a WPO level lifter, that is quite a compliment, however, I was never anything close to that level. And, for the record, referees for the WPO back then were instructed to "get everyone into the meet" because "this is powerlifting entertainment". If that is still a rule of the WPO, then I retract my original comment with my apologies.
ken wheeler I agree. Power lifting is a joke with all the assistive suits and wraps. I’ll take a 500 lbs. ass to grass squat with no belt or knee wraps or suit over a 700 lbs. squat suit knee wrap belt above parallel “squat”
@@DIPPLEDORP Unfortunately you misunderstand my comment, assuming I am against lifters in gear. On the contrary, I love geared lifting and my 43 yrs of competing spans pre-gear existence to extreme gear, which I loved the most. Gear is not the issue. I respect all forms of PL and those to spend the blood, sweat and tears to achieve their goals. It was the judging I take issue with. As a referee with 25yrs experience at all levels and with several feds, including the WPO and 2x Pro/Am's. My complaint is with referees who, for reasons I can't fathom, clearly are allowing white lights for reds imo. And I say that with the full admission that I have made my share of terrible calls! It happens to every judge on a platform at some point, but I honestly do not believe the bad calls being made were "mistakes". Obviously I can't speak for a person's intentions, but the appearance of blatant failure to make legitimate calls is embarrassing to me as someone who loves this sport. I simply don't understand why it is allowed AND, apparently accepted by a lot of our PL community at the upper levels of competition. Makes no sense to me. I have no ax to grind here, I respect these lifters and their efforts. It's a shame that PL integrity has to take a dump in the name of inflated totals. THAT is my point, entirely.
Holy shit that 577.5 KG squat was absolutely insane, the depth was also good, that was parallel. Im not usually the type of person to critique depth but hoooly shit going PARALLEL with 577.5 kg is literally out of this world. Insane
I love powerlifting.. geared too. But it’s just crazy the depth rules for squats lol I think we all know this. But hey you gotta do what you love and that’s what counts
If you don’t like watching equipped (single-ply/multi-ply) meets then don’t watch them, go watch a raw meet. Equipped meets and equipped focused federations have different rules especially the WPO where squat depth is basically only parallel. The gear does not do everything for the lifter, it gives extra support for joints and muscles while also giving the lifter compression for elastic energy to be stored at the bottom of each motion in order to HELP give CARRYOVER from raw strength too raw strength while wearing gear. The gear is made so tight that it’s hard to get the bar down while wearing it which makes equipped lifting a reputation for big weight and big dudes. A perfect example of the gear not doing everything for the lifter is when the lifter really fights for a good lift and it’s extremely slow on the way up which basically means once you get past the hole there is a sticking point for some people. The gear can only add so much weight to your lifts and it all depends on your anatomy, raw strength, and comfortability in the gear. You can’t just throw a bench shirt on and magically just add 100lbs to your bench. It takes time and major practice to get good in gear, also, you need a ton of raw strength just to even hold some of this kind of weight. Stop hating on equipped lifting!!! Most people that hate on equipped lifting know for a fact that they can’t even imagine lifting that much. A good raw squat + a ton of practice with gear + being comfortable in gear + proper form & technique = a good equipped squat.
Fully agree with you. I fucking hate baseball with all my heart! Stupid fucking sport! So slow and boring! I hate that fucking game so much that I have never...and will *NEVER* go to a baseball video on RUclips to bash on it! Doing so will boil my blood. I prefer to not bother and remain calm.I have never understood people that click on a video just to waste their time bashing on it.
@@llleerrooyy fuckin stupid comment. This half squatting degrades our sport. Did you read the rulebook? It says the lifter has to break parallel so stfu moron!!
I don’t understand why people have a problem with single-ply geared and multi-ply geared especially within different federations. In my opinion multi-ply geared is a completely different monster of powerlifting compared to single-ply geared, single-ply geared is raw strength with extra weight and gear while multi-ply geared is insane raw strength with even stronger gear. The different federations have different rules which means if somebody gets a world record squat but somebody from another federation thinks it shouldn’t count because of depth I disagree because that might be a good lift in that federation due to their own rules and perspective on depth.
Blah blah blah. Quit making excuses guy. It’s Just this simple you have to break parallel in a squat for it to count no matter what Federation. Who would want to lift in a Federation where you get credit for doing half squats? This is absolutely laughable.
If espn wanted to get people into powerlifting they would have streamed a raw meet. The general public doesn’t understand suits, the judging doesn’t make sense in multiply since there are no standards, and it isn’t relatable as raw powerlifting.
Idk understand what people mean by “the general public doesn’t understand suits and gear”. If somebody is truly interested in powerlifting they will look in too it. Powerlifting is Powerlifting.
@@Gallagher.661 Nice! Thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't able to watch the whole thing and was afraid it wouldn't be available when I got back to it. 👍
@@kennyscribner6076 Generally I would agree, and I have called out people before for judging depth from the front...but this is obviously high, even from the front.
Now, i have a serious question, and i would appreciate if some WPO enthusiast gave me a straight answer. I have nothing against equipped lifting and I enjoy watching both raw and single ply events. I also accept that while people can hit depth properly in single ply, the extreme constrictive nature of multiply suits prevents that. Accepting all of this as a valid premise, the question is the following: since the criterion for squat depth is NOT your standard IPF knee/hip crease, WHAT is the criterion? How do WPO judges and judges at other multiply events evaluate legit depth? What IS the multiply standard? Thanks in advance to anyone kind enough to respond.
THEY ARE FULL OF SHIT MAN. go hip socket below top of knee and show that shit directly from the side so i can pause it and I'll begin to give a shit. I honestly watch to see how much higher they squat each year and guess what? they never make people accountable. All in all, they do what they want. Chuck V was the standard... check out how intense this guy was.... the lot of them need a depth refresher course! 1:59 and i rest my MF CASE.
Mario, I ref'd 2005, 2006 and 2007 WPO's. The criteria we were given was, "everyone gets into the meet because this is powerlifting entertainment, but tighten up on the records". That is virtually verbatim of the instructions we received every year. I can't speak for how it is now, but that was how it was back then. The problem with this was that this rule was never made public. Not to the general audience nor to the lifters!! I complained about that every year and every year I told the owner of the WPO that this would cause a firestorm of problems on the internet because people did not know the "PL entertainment" part of the equation. One of my mentors, Matt Smith from WSB, personally told me "don't you ever give me a white light unless I hit depth! All I want is legit numbers." Back then all of WSB that I ref'd hit legit squats. Those guys banged out top numbers even with "PL entertainment" rules, so I am not saying legit lifts did not occur, I'm just explaining what standard we were told to apply. And again, I have no idea if that is still the standard or not. If it is, I sincerely retract the previous comments I made on here about the judging. For your reference, the following is from the USPA rulebook. To my knowledge this same rule is applied by all "major" feds: 4.1.6 Upon receiving the head Referee’s signal, the lifter must bend the knees and lower the body until the top surface of the legs at the hip joint is lower than the top of the knees.
Sumo Is Cheating true. But Ray is still pretty far behind. Vlad has done 1157 in a meet and 1170 in the gym. Knee wraps or no, if he hits 1200 (which seems likely) he has to be considered the strongest squatter in modern history.
They should have explained the rules a lot better to inform people of exactly WTF is going on. Like, when a squat was missed on depth....tell viewers what is acceptable depth and how it is judged. Donnie sounded a little overhyped in his intro and it was a little fake sounding. Donnie was an awesome lifter no doubt, I just thought his explanation throughout would have been presented in much better detail and would have been more informative to the non powerlifting audience.
Incredible lifting by all especially hoff who proved without a shadow of a doubt he's the greatest power lifter of all time! I also thought the spotters and loaders were awesome , best I've seen.
because at westside theres a morning workout and theres night workout filled with 2 different groups. and history has it morning and night dont like each other. watch westside vs the world the doc explains westside a lot
@@flippino35 I'm aware of the 2 training crews and i have seen the movie. Just seems odd that at their biggest meet they weren't representing their gym, like all the other competitors were.
worldpowerliftingcongress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/WPC_Rule_Book_Official_2014.pdf Upon receiving the head referee’s signal, the lifter must bend the knees and lower the body until the top surface of the legs at the hip joint are lower than the top of knees. Refer to the WPC rule book, as they are the same. worldpowerliftingcongress.com/wpo-info/
reading some of the comments i will address ignorant opinons. 1.the gear gives the lifter carryover it does not do the lift for them. 2.full depth needs 3 green lights 3.if you want to see raw lifting watch a raw event or watch them train raw 90% of the time in the gym 4.dont comment on lifting videos because the majority who commented below are idiots
I was a single ply lifter in the late 90's. This sport has become an absurd circus. Squatting 800 equipped , but only 550 raw tells me your EQUIPMENT is doing the lift, not you.
I don’t think most of the ultra negative commenters here are very objective (basically all the depth hawks). There were many squats that were red lighted for depth or only getting 2 whites. Seems like more some kind of personal vendetta or just getting shots in for their team. I watched it live and thoroughly enjoyed it. Joe Stein I found very impressive. I do feel the marketing of this even was a little off. Too gear focused and stuck in the past. Not on the lifters exceptional lifters or their accomplishments. My only other criticism would be that they could have gone a bit further on enforcing professionalism, I noticed they were making people take hats off. But the holes in the singlets were sort of trashy looking, also the use of profanity was not so good either, especially on TV. As far as enjoying the event from a spectators POV they could have done a better job of covering the rankings in real time. It was hard to follow with how frequently they showed the rankings. Last, could have made sure the squats had a dedicated side view on squats even a picture in picture. Thanks for posting!
Fuckin A. that is the BEGINNING STANDARD. Chuck V. would be the ULTIMATE depth standard as far as depth with squat suits. HEY!... I powerlift, and to those who want to question my creds, so be it, but since i have my ass in the grass, i can have a say. Almost all these squats are high as Bob Marley on his birthday.
SNAKE DIET LARRY'S POWER LIFTING CHANNEL it’s always equipped lifters that squat high for some reason n seem to get away with it 90% of the time. it’s frustrating to watch
@@Chiefthain I AGREE... it's garbage. Blaine Sumner and Andrei Konovalov just got done with the BATTLE OF THE FUCKING 2010's and the squats were 9000 times heavier and depth was ferociously deeper than even the best lifters here. But then again, what the FUK do they the WPO listers cafe about my opinion... why should they care...?records are records. I just have little respect for people taking a pharmacy of dope, wearing a 6 ply suit, and not having the pride to take that shit deep. Vogelphol depth meets IPA to APF to UPA to USAPL to WPO. I watch this shit to see if they are stepping up, and they disappoint year after year. they know where the hip socket is... hold these lifters accountable!
If you're not looking at the lifter from a side view, it's very difficult to judge if they hit depth. Unless the lifter goes ass to grass, you won't be able to tell from a front view.
You are right. Sometimes it's obvious that the squat was high. What I'm referring to is when you can't tell from the front view but when you look from the side its at parallel.
Donnie is natural at commentating with a outstanding voice but I feel like he winged this a bit assuming everyone had a lot of powerlifting experience. But it’s on espn and hoping to gain new viewers etc. as well as folk who have lifted for many years but don’t know the finer rules and regulations of the sport.
Up the weight so the shirt can work better.....yeah this shit is trash if it isn't raw then it is trash. Let's see who has the strongest rubber band lol
@@MonsterM0E420 scott mendelson did this in a video, looked about to die and blamed his shit on his spotters, with blocks. Used to be a great bencher. Can't let go and refused to rehab lost everything
Not one competitor, not even one got any squats below parallel. This makes powerlifting just look so stupid.👎Over the years the judging has just gotten worse and worse. Soon the lifter will only have to set up stand there for two seconds then re rack the weight and they will Automatically get three white lights. That’s how stupid this sport is becoming.
ESPN really covered this,,,these people haven't squatted legal yet. I would like to see what they can really squat w no equipment and legal depth. Bizarre
If they aren’t going to judge depth by the rules they have written they should redefine depth. I get you can’t hit full depth in a suit, or barely touch your chest in a bench shirt, but if you’re going to use that shit don’t just ignore your rules, rewrite them so it has some legitimacy
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Welcome to the half squat show
the fact that donnie thompson is announcing and brian carrol is reporting is freaking awesome!
I love that Hoff had Chuck's Beanie on 😂
Supposedly he rubbed chucks sweat on it too lol
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I think most powerlifters have no issue with mutli-ply or different federations. These people are strong, they train hard, and they have their own community...great...but the problem is the standard of judging. I'm sorry but a good squat is below parallel, and a good bench and deadlift is completely locked out. This is uniform throughout the sport and throughout the world, that's it. Just like the rules of football, baseball, or any other sport is the same no matter what league, division, or country. I understand the difficulties and complexities of gear, but then call these world records WPO world records. It is unfair and ridiculous to compare some of these lifts and records to everyone else in the sport. And it's very obvious when they give away some of these lifts that are clearly not good. Everyone knows it. That's all.
That’s exactly the issue i have as well
Summarizes it pretty well.
Agreed
As a former IPF and Special Olympics Powerlifter, I agree that Squat depth must break parallel (hips below the upper knee line), and Deadlift is nice and smooth motion with compete lockout.
They are WPO world records. they are MULTI-PLY squat, bench, deadlift, and total world records.
Apparently, the crease of the hip below the top of the knee is not a depth requirement for the WPO.
Yeah man, I watched for 15 min and not a single squat was done. ZERO!
As it should be. Break parallel with the femur.
Zeroooooo
meauxgeaux I’ll say! Fuck those are alllll highhhh!!!
Don't forget that each Powerlifting federation has different rules.
For example, in the International Powerlifting Federation or IPF, the Squat depth requirement is hips below the upper knee line or "Break Parallel", and they don't use a monolift.
Meanwhile, in the WPO and WPC, Squat depth rules are way different.
while i compete raw I dont have a huge issue with some of the ridiculous gear being worn, but at least complete legal lifts as judged by 99% of all other powerlifting federations
Yeah. No other federation gives two white lights for a half-squat.
I couldn't figure out why they were calling all the high squats good.
Yes this is a disgrace to all the great powerlifters who came before these men that had to do the squat correctly. You must break parallel or the lift does not count. This here is absolutely rank amateur hour.This Federation WPO is obviously a joke.
45 yrs in powerlifting and I have never been more embarrassed about my sport. Why have referees if this type of lifting is going to be allowed?
lol but you competed in the wpo . judging was a lot worse before , especially because most meets weren't streamed
This has been going on for a long time.
@@TheMrmovier Thank you for thinking I was a WPO level lifter, that is quite a compliment, however, I was never anything close to that level. And, for the record, referees for the WPO back then were instructed to "get everyone into the meet" because "this is powerlifting entertainment". If that is still a rule of the WPO, then I retract my original comment with my apologies.
ken wheeler I agree. Power lifting is a joke with all the assistive suits and wraps. I’ll take a 500 lbs. ass to grass squat with no belt or knee wraps or suit over a 700 lbs. squat suit knee wrap belt above parallel “squat”
@@DIPPLEDORP Unfortunately you misunderstand my comment, assuming I am against lifters in gear. On the contrary, I love geared lifting and my 43 yrs of competing spans pre-gear existence to extreme gear, which I loved the most. Gear is not the issue. I respect all forms of PL and those to spend the blood, sweat and tears to achieve their goals.
It was the judging I take issue with.
As a referee with 25yrs experience at all levels and with several feds, including the WPO and 2x Pro/Am's. My complaint is with referees who, for reasons I can't fathom, clearly are allowing white lights for reds imo. And I say that with the full admission that I have made my share of terrible calls! It happens to every judge on a platform at some point, but I honestly do not believe the bad calls being made were "mistakes".
Obviously I can't speak for a person's intentions, but the appearance of blatant failure to make legitimate calls is embarrassing to me as someone who loves this sport. I simply don't understand why it is allowed AND, apparently accepted by a lot of our PL community at the upper levels of competition. Makes no sense to me.
I have no ax to grind here, I respect these lifters and their efforts. It's a shame that PL integrity has to take a dump in the name of inflated totals. THAT is my point, entirely.
Holy shit that 577.5 KG squat was absolutely insane, the depth was also good, that was parallel. Im not usually the type of person to critique depth but hoooly shit going PARALLEL with 577.5 kg is literally out of this world. Insane
I love powerlifting.. geared too. But it’s just crazy the depth rules for squats lol I think we all know this. But hey you gotta do what you love and that’s what counts
Thanks for posting this, well produced, great commentary from Donnie
If you don’t like watching equipped (single-ply/multi-ply) meets then don’t watch them, go watch a raw meet. Equipped meets and equipped focused federations have different rules especially the WPO where squat depth is basically only parallel. The gear does not do everything for the lifter, it gives extra support for joints and muscles while also giving the lifter compression for elastic energy to be stored at the bottom of each motion in order to HELP give CARRYOVER from raw strength too raw strength while wearing gear. The gear is made so tight that it’s hard to get the bar down while wearing it which makes equipped lifting a reputation for big weight and big dudes. A perfect example of the gear not doing everything for the lifter is when the lifter really fights for a good lift and it’s extremely slow on the way up which basically means once you get past the hole there is a sticking point for some people. The gear can only add so much weight to your lifts and it all depends on your anatomy, raw strength, and comfortability in the gear. You can’t just throw a bench shirt on and magically just add 100lbs to your bench. It takes time and major practice to get good in gear, also, you need a ton of raw strength just to even hold some of this kind of weight. Stop hating on equipped lifting!!! Most people that hate on equipped lifting know for a fact that they can’t even imagine lifting that much. A good raw squat + a ton of practice with gear + being comfortable in gear + proper form & technique = a good equipped squat.
Fully agree with you.
I fucking hate baseball with all my heart! Stupid fucking sport! So slow and boring!
I hate that fucking game so much that I have never...and will *NEVER* go to a baseball video
on RUclips to bash on it! Doing so will boil my blood. I prefer to not bother and remain
calm.I have never understood people that click on a video just to waste their time bashing on it.
Single ply is way better than this half squatting crap!
Cesar Mayoral Contreras then go watch a single-ply meet, stfu, and stop hating on something that I bet you’ve never even tried.
@@llleerrooyy fuckin stupid comment. This half squatting degrades our sport. Did you read the rulebook? It says the lifter has to break parallel so stfu moron!!
@@cesarmayoralcontreras1005 Nuh uh! Because... Because... Because... Muh IPF.
You soyboys sucked the fun outta the sport.
So a good lift in this federation seems to be the ability to stand with the bar and put it back on the rack.
I don’t understand why people have a problem with single-ply geared and multi-ply geared especially within different federations. In my opinion multi-ply geared is a completely different monster of powerlifting compared to single-ply geared, single-ply geared is raw strength with extra weight and gear while multi-ply geared is insane raw strength with even stronger gear. The different federations have different rules which means if somebody gets a world record squat but somebody from another federation thinks it shouldn’t count because of depth I disagree because that might be a good lift in that federation due to their own rules and perspective on depth.
Blah blah blah. Quit making excuses guy. It’s Just this simple you have to break parallel in a squat for it to count no matter what Federation. Who would want to lift in a Federation where you get credit for doing half squats? This is absolutely laughable.
Every feds rules read almost exactly the same...so...just sayin'!
Raw lifters would transition to dominate geared lifting... Can't say the same about geared to raw.
Woot, Donnie is hosting!
If espn wanted to get people into powerlifting they would have streamed a raw meet. The general public doesn’t understand suits, the judging doesn’t make sense in multiply since there are no standards, and it isn’t relatable as raw powerlifting.
Coulda done the Kern or iPf worlds or even raw nats or uspa nationals. But they choose the worst possible representation of powerlifting
They broadcasted the WPO because it’s been around for a while and it’s one of the most commercially popular and original federations
Idk understand what people mean by “the general public doesn’t understand suits and gear”. If somebody is truly interested in powerlifting they will look in too it. Powerlifting is Powerlifting.
I don't like the lifting but the production value is really fucking good thanks RUclips :')
Surprised by how many of the women weren’t center on squats and still smashed some serious weight
YES! Thank you. I'm surprised that ESPN isn't taking this video down.
They released it to be posted lol
@@Gallagher.661 Nice! Thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't able to watch the whole thing and was afraid it wouldn't be available when I got back to it. 👍
Michael owns the copyright I think
You Tube Ed Coan - USPF Nationals 1998.
"I just said shit on ESPN"
-Dave Hoff
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Big D ! Anthony kelly here. Good to see you brother. Proud Of you my man!
How many competitors total enter.
This power lifting meet.
29 total
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This squat depth is unacceptable, gear or no gear.
I was noting the same thing. Last time I watched a PL meet, the legal depth was significantly deeper.
Adam Hipko different organization
You can’t judge depth from the front
Hip crease might be or look different from the side
@@kennyscribner6076 Generally I would agree, and I have called out people before for judging depth from the front...but this is obviously high, even from the front.
Now, i have a serious question, and i would appreciate if some WPO enthusiast gave me a straight answer.
I have nothing against equipped lifting and I enjoy watching both raw and single ply events.
I also accept that while people can hit depth properly in single ply, the extreme constrictive nature of multiply suits prevents that.
Accepting all of this as a valid premise, the question is the following: since the criterion for squat depth is NOT your standard IPF knee/hip crease, WHAT is the criterion? How do WPO judges and judges at other multiply events evaluate legit depth? What IS the multiply standard?
Thanks in advance to anyone kind enough to respond.
Yes as long as you can proof that you have a decrease in elevation, then you have successfully completed the lift.
All right. And when is that done, before the meet?
Edit: sorry, I somehow misread your funny as shit answer, lol
THEY ARE FULL OF SHIT MAN. go hip socket below top of knee and show that shit directly from the side so i can pause it and I'll begin to give a shit. I honestly watch to see how much higher they squat each year and guess what? they never make people accountable. All in all, they do what they want. Chuck V was the standard... check out how intense this guy was.... the lot of them need a depth refresher course! 1:59 and i rest my MF CASE.
Mario, I ref'd 2005, 2006 and 2007 WPO's. The criteria we were given was, "everyone gets into the meet because this is powerlifting entertainment, but tighten up on the records". That is virtually verbatim of the instructions we received every year. I can't speak for how it is now, but that was how it was back then.
The problem with this was that this rule was never made public. Not to the general audience nor to the lifters!!
I complained about that every year and every year I told the owner of the WPO that this would cause a firestorm of problems on the internet because people did not know the "PL entertainment" part of the equation.
One of my mentors, Matt Smith from WSB, personally told me "don't you ever give me a white light unless I hit depth! All I want is legit numbers." Back then all of WSB that I ref'd hit legit squats. Those guys banged out top numbers even with "PL entertainment" rules, so I am not saying legit lifts did not occur, I'm just explaining what standard we were told to apply. And again, I have no idea if that is still the standard or not. If it is, I sincerely retract the previous comments I made on here about the judging.
For your reference, the following is from the USPA rulebook. To my knowledge this same rule is applied by all "major" feds:
4.1.6 Upon receiving the head Referee’s signal, the lifter must bend the knees and lower the body until
the top surface of the legs at the hip joint is lower than the top of the knees.
Thank you! The most interesting and exhaustive answer yet! Thank you again!
I love pl but hate how this is the only platform in which you could really be considered a professional powerlifter and be televised on national TV
Love the shot of Anthony in the Deicide - Serpents of the Light shirt
Fuckin florida death metal legends!!!
Thanks for sharing Michael ! Really enjoyed it . Phenomenal lifting
But of all the powerlifting that is available (IPF, USPA, etc.) why did this bs make ESPN?
Par for the course for ESPN. That network has been going downhill for years now.
Just what I was thinking
Why are their coaches telling them them to complete the lift when they are CLEARLY no way near parallel?
Why you care
Your clearly
Triggered 😤
Jealous
My mistake I meant to say Ray Williams squats more than any gear lifters and he squats deep
Luis perez so what?
Vlad Alhazov. WR in multi-ply. Squats more than Ray.
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@@Roadto-zb4vu vlads squat was raw with kneewraps
Sumo Is Cheating true. But Ray is still pretty far behind. Vlad has done 1157 in a meet and 1170 in the gym. Knee wraps or no, if he hits 1200 (which seems likely) he has to be considered the strongest squatter in modern history.
They should have explained the rules a lot better to inform people of exactly WTF is going on. Like, when a squat was missed on depth....tell viewers what is acceptable depth and how it is judged. Donnie sounded a little overhyped in his intro and it was a little fake sounding. Donnie was an awesome lifter no doubt, I just thought his explanation throughout would have been presented in much better detail and would have been more informative to the non powerlifting audience.
Barrett Eastham this. This probably did worse for the sport than anything else
Yup unlike the misloaders of raw
Every single squat was missed in depth
3:07:02 she legit wasnt even holding the bar she just let the spotter hold it??
Thats why its 3 red u fuck
So is Dave hoff not with Westside anymore?
I heard no
From what I heard Louie is mainly training fighters now. But Westside will be around as long as Louie is around
Incredible lifting by all especially hoff who proved without a shadow of a doubt he's the greatest power lifter of all time! I also thought the spotters and loaders were awesome , best I've seen.
I'm sorry brotha but he is a meat head that wont compete raw... he isnt the greatest
I agree hoff is probably the strongest Powerlifter ever and will be for awhile
Jamie McNamara Ed coan
sorry bro hes strong as shit yes, but not the best of all time... plus not raw
John Paul Sorbara the greatest geared ffs
49:52 is the world record
Dave Hoff looked like Gene Rychlak incarnate, pressing the 1000 lbs in the flames skull cap. R.I.P.
Co-host and myself were looking repeatedly for Donnie to explain the 3 💡 lights. Are they tied to 3 different judges ?!?!?!?!!? And.......???
He did explain it. He clearly said 3 lights for 3 different judges.
0:03 what the hell is that ?
What?
Kai green lost brother😂
The bar?
Why is it saying night crew instead of westside ?
because at westside theres a morning workout and theres night workout filled with 2 different groups. and history has it morning and night dont like each other. watch westside vs the world the doc explains westside a lot
@@flippino35 I'm aware of the 2 training crews and i have seen the movie. Just seems odd that at their biggest meet they weren't representing their gym, like all the other competitors were.
I heard he was kicked out of Westside
Grave Flower Hoff and the entire night crew left westside
@@abcdefghijklmno3764 really ? Any idea what happened ?
worldpowerliftingcongress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/WPC_Rule_Book_Official_2014.pdf
Upon receiving the head referee’s signal, the lifter must bend the knees and lower
the body until the top surface of the legs at the hip joint are lower than the top of
knees.
Refer to the WPC rule book, as they are the same.
worldpowerliftingcongress.com/wpo-info/
50:15 2:59:46 4:15:00
reading some of the comments i will address ignorant opinons.
1.the gear gives the lifter carryover it does not do the lift for them.
2.full depth needs 3 green lights
3.if you want to see raw lifting watch a raw event or watch them train raw 90% of the time in the gym
4.dont comment on lifting videos because the majority who commented below are idiots
Facts!!!!!
Agree
I like how the little guy has his bitches carry him off stage I hope I get there one day
I was a single ply lifter in the late 90's. This sport has become an absurd circus. Squatting 800 equipped , but only 550 raw tells me your EQUIPMENT is doing the lift, not you.
I sort of agree with you, but also think how long someones career would last if they were regularly lifting those types of poundages.
I’m sorry but the equipment does not do everything for them
@@llleerrooyy Good point . But more importantly , when you can squat more than 135 ... you can comment .
Samuel Clemons well I do so
Pole vaulting 2m but only high jumping 1m tells me the pole is doing the jump for you!
DAVE HOFF THE BEST !!!!!!!
Why can’t the IPF have spotters like this?
daMN THAT 1270 SQUAT WAS INSANITY
I don’t think most of the ultra negative commenters here are very objective (basically all the depth hawks). There were many squats that were red lighted for depth or only getting 2 whites. Seems like more some kind of personal vendetta or just getting shots in for their team. I watched it live and thoroughly enjoyed it. Joe Stein I found very impressive.
I do feel the marketing of this even was a little off. Too gear focused and stuck in the past. Not on the lifters exceptional lifters or their accomplishments.
My only other criticism would be that they could have gone a bit further on enforcing professionalism, I noticed they were making people take hats off. But the holes in the singlets were sort of trashy looking, also the use of profanity was not so good either, especially on TV.
As far as enjoying the event from a spectators POV they could have done a better job of covering the rankings in real time. It was hard to follow with how frequently they showed the rankings.
Last, could have made sure the squats had a dedicated side view on squats even a picture in picture.
Thanks for posting!
With all this Gear, will the WPO let me use bands instead 🤔 If I squat 1/2" lower 🙃
HOFF THE BEST
14:50 only decent squat I’ve seen so far
Fuckin A. that is the BEGINNING STANDARD. Chuck V. would be the ULTIMATE depth standard as far as depth with squat suits. HEY!... I powerlift, and to those who want to question my creds, so be it, but since i have my ass in the grass, i can have a say. Almost all these squats are high as Bob Marley on his birthday.
SNAKE DIET LARRY'S POWER LIFTING CHANNEL it’s always equipped lifters that squat high for some reason n seem to get away with it 90% of the time. it’s frustrating to watch
@@Chiefthain I AGREE... it's garbage. Blaine Sumner and Andrei Konovalov just got done with the BATTLE OF THE FUCKING 2010's and the squats were 9000 times heavier and depth was ferociously deeper than even the best lifters here. But then again, what the FUK do they the WPO listers cafe about my opinion... why should they care...?records are records. I just have little respect for people taking a pharmacy of dope, wearing a 6 ply suit, and not having the pride to take that shit deep. Vogelphol depth meets IPA to APF to UPA to USAPL to WPO. I watch this shit to see if they are stepping up, and they disappoint year after year. they know where the hip socket is... hold these lifters accountable!
IPF and USAPL POWERLIFTING: A MASTER'S CHANNEL 2-ply suit with 1 to 2-ply briefs and no drugs my guy. Your blowing this way out of poportion.
If you're not looking at the lifter from a side view, it's very difficult to judge if they hit depth. Unless the lifter goes ass to grass, you won't be able to tell from a front view.
You can still tell when people aren’t even near depth from the front
1:06:13 example
You are right. Sometimes it's obvious that the squat was high. What I'm referring to is when you can't tell from the front view but when you look from the side its at parallel.
American Powerlifter ya well no shit, it was red lighted lmao 🤦🏼♂️
910 Zane Plains
Multi ply is back!
no it's not lol
@@jgjjgwfdzj4046 WPO on espn would beg to differ.
Hell yeah brother
depth at this is like religion everybody has a diffrent opinion
Livestronger yup
Dave hoff: You gotta want that Shit!! 😈
Donnie is natural at commentating with a outstanding voice but I feel like he winged this a bit assuming everyone had a lot of powerlifting experience. But it’s on espn and hoping to gain new viewers etc. as well as folk who have lifted for many years but don’t know the finer rules and regulations of the sport.
The lack of depth in some of these "squats" is appalling.
50:39 LOL
Half squats, touch n go benches and soft lockout deads. Nice
u said it ! how can ppl take this serious? no offence
Shut up
Ha ha a BAM BAM BIGELOW wannabe at 2:20:52 !!!!!
Yeees!!
Nice
Dont like the lifting but this is great production.
Effinger got so many good squats out there idk what’s going on with the light
Donnie!
Why is Hoff's face all gray looking ???
All these squats are high
Squat was pretty good to see but that bench shirt shit needs to go, explosion is everything and shit fighting you is not a good idea period.
Solid AF.
Koch Turnpike
Not one deep squat.
What the fuck is the point of an overhead view when viewing a slow-mo of a lift that didn't reach depth.
Those are some of the widest squat stances Ive ever seen...
Using a monolift with strapped knees and more weight is not safer than raw with knee sleeves and a walkout.
I think it’s just safer because of the multiply squat suits lol I bet half the time they would fall down trying to walk shit out in those things
We need side shots to see the hip crease please damn it! @#$%
Karlie Stravenue
Dave hoff the G.O.A.T
I’m glad for WPO come back but squat depths are abysmal. You see why raw has taken over
- i though Dave Hoff was the first to 3000 total
anonymous what ? No...
anonymous the power lifter not the actor
Donne Thompson totalled 3000 first then Dave did 3005 at the 2013(?) Westside invitational
What did I just watch? It definitely wasn’t powerlifting
0:05 *Kai Greene* off cycle😁
Mittie Plaza
Brown Jason Young Margaret Jones Jennifer
This is why powerlifting has a bad rep
Theyre not squatting even pararrel
God this is all trash, equipped lifting needs to go away forever.
Not a single lift was completed here.
Up the weight so the shirt can work better.....yeah this shit is trash if it isn't raw then it is trash. Let's see who has the strongest rubber band lol
@@MonsterM0E420 scott mendelson did this in a video, looked about to die and blamed his shit on his spotters, with blocks. Used to be a great bencher. Can't let go and refused to rehab lost everything
Quit your whining
The judges most be blind
1st guy tried a 1/4 squat? Wtf is going on here. All that equipment for a 5 inch squat attempt?
Still waiting to see a real squat
No reps were done that day
Not one competitor, not even one got any squats below parallel. This makes powerlifting just look so stupid.👎Over the years the judging has just gotten worse and worse. Soon the lifter will only have to set up stand there for two seconds then re rack the weight and they will Automatically get three white lights. That’s how stupid this sport is becoming.
Thompson is genuinely a nice guy and first person to total over 3000.
ESPN really covered this,,,these people haven't squatted legal yet. I would like to see what they can really squat w no equipment and legal depth. Bizarre
There is less than 500 people worldwide in multi ply. The TV spot should go to a raw competition.
where did you even find that number lmao? both 2020 and 2021 had over 1000 lifters worldwide; pre covid in 2019 there was over 2300.
Nice half squats
Race Bannon stfu
Anthony Oliveira at 2h48min One judge thoughts its ok lol wtf is this funny business. Some of these lifts should be seen on gym bloopers.
If they aren’t going to judge depth by the rules they have written they should redefine depth. I get you can’t hit full depth in a suit, or barely touch your chest in a bench shirt, but if you’re going to use that shit don’t just ignore your rules, rewrite them so it has some legitimacy
Use that Gear lol gooooooooo
Why so many reds? The fucking squat depth disgusting smfh
Larry wheels does this without gear
If you don’t like it, don’t watch it.
Larry wheels is on gear
Squigger McGhee lol and these guys aren’t too
@@jamescellio6504 gear I mean equipment. we all know Larry wheels is a walking pharmacy
Umm no