Giants and Fallen Angels - The Context of the Book of Enoch
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- Опубликовано: 21 июн 2021
- The Bible of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church includes a number of books not found in the Catholic or Protestant canons. The Book of Enoch was considered scripture to many early Christians and Jews, including the author of the New Testament Book of Jude. John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place looks at this interesting apocalypse with its vision of angels and devils and consider its context within the apocalyptic tradition.
Topics in this lecture include:
The Ethiopic Book of Enoch, Book of Genesis, Apocrypha.
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I have watched hours and hours of these lectures since discovering this channel recently and I love the range of topics. My favourites though are from a year ago, simply because there is no audience in front of you to constantly destroy and sense of immersion by asking (admittedly mostly pointless) questions when you are mid-sentence. Maybe you could just get the audience to keep it to themselves until after the lecture????
Lmao so true
Sometimes the audience asked some interesting questions but most of the time they ask the dumbest shit 😂
@@baphochan1046 I know right? It gets so annoying. Especially the ones that seem to just love to hear themselves talk. Why can't he just move the Q&A to the end, when the lecture itself is over?
Great isn't it, very well deliverered. Looking forward to getting stuck in to more. Sending kind thoughts from Liverpool UK 🇬🇧
How to lose control of your lecture. For dummies
Two years later and he still has not gotten to The Book of Enoch.
Consider the book of enoch nothing more or less than a rejected thouosand yr old covert operation ...
Yeah I’m shocked he allowed questioned from the beginning. You just can’t do that if you want to get your message out.
Really appreciated this talk. I find it fascinating how many protestants hold Enochian beliefs that don't appear in their version of the bible.
Nathan ENOCH is quoted in the New testament 100 times
Enoch Powell...?
I thought TWO times?
I mean in relation to angelic back stories etc.
@@matthewdolan5831 LOL no not him
The ancient Ethiopic church accepted and still includes the book of Enoch as being part of the Biblical canon.
No angels just humans who left the planet in their VTVL Vertical Takeoff Vertical Landing rockets before we crossed the galactic plane the last time 12,000 years ago.
"The family (Abraham) who controls the past (Torus, old testament) controls the future. The descendants of the family who control the present (Money, Media) control the past." George Orwell writer Covid1984.
There was s lots of evidence that we have been to space before. When you consider the climate cycles of our planet it all makes sense.
If we as a species/race don't wake up to the Inconvenient truths that the CO2, covid1984 & BLM LIES are built upon Jesus pain and suffering for us will have been for naught.
Precession/yuga/Great Year Resets our water planet with EMP Plasma bursts, comets/asteroids & 800 mph east to w wt global tsunamis every 13,000 years at the vernal or Autumnal equinoxes when we cross the Galaxies Electromagnetic gravitational plane equator.
The last time was 12,000 years ago when Goblekli Tepe was buried by 19 different tsunamis spanning MILLENNIA. Clovis people, younger dryas geological boundary layer.
The galactic Milankovitch cycles cause our Climate Cycles with the 240,000/120,000 year rotation of the galactic bulge regulating the intensity of the cataclysms.
Obliquity/magnetic north 4 x 60,000 years causes Global warming/cooling and tells you where the galactic bulge is reference our solar system. We are currently at 23.5 degrees inclination or 201,000 years of 240,000 years.
Covid1984 like co2 is a comfortable LIE built upon the INCONVENIENT truth that the Baby BOOMERS who were born enmass 75 years ago are starting to die from the usual suspects of seasonal FLU pneumonia and old age.
The mask of the beast is a pretext for the FINAL SOLUTION vaccine of the beast.
Jesus loved all races because there is only one race the HUMAN race with only one minority the INDIVIDUAL human.
@@gregorybyrne2453 You wrote: "When you consider the climate cycles of our planet it all makes sense."
When I consider the climate cycles, I am aware the earth gets warmer and cooler.
What does the earth getting warmer and cooler have to do with space travel, i.e. leaving "the planet in their VTVL Vertical Takeoff Vertical Landing rockets"?
Please explain where I am lacking in my understanding, Gregory.
@@miyojewoltsnasonth2159 The Sky is the Limit. Literally. The truth has always been in plain sight. (King James Version)
The U...N... logo trademarked the truth back in 1959 by owning the circle map of our world - causing the circle map to be removed from everywhere upon being trademarked. The circle map were used by navigators for centuries - it gave correct azimuthal distances. All ships still use flat charts of water to make waves in.
Isaiah 40:22 The Earth is a CIRCLE
Proverbs 8:27 Made with a COMPASS
Genesis 1:2 Laid upon a FACE
JOB 26:10 Which is BOUNDED
JOB 38:13 AT ITS ENDS
PSALM 93:1 It Does NOT MOVE (we can trust our senses - the earth is not moving)
Genesis 1:6-8 And is covered by a DOME
Genesis 1:14-18 Containing the SUN, MOON, AND STARS
Enoch 75:3-4 Which Are REVOVLING
Genesis 1:6-8 ABOVE and BELOW is WATER
@@davidbartscher7538 I _assume_ the UN's circle map logo does not prevent _all other uses_ of circle maps. I _assume_ it is only the specific stylised version the UN uses on its logo that is under trademark protection.
But perhaps I am wrong.
Please provide the 1959 trademark serial number for the UN's use of the circle map so that I can look it up and see how all-encompassing their trademark rights are.
@@gregorybyrne2453 honest question, are you on any prescribed medication?
Im lost for words. Thank you,very well explained. Peace and Love
As an atheist and someone with an interest in history and philosophy, I am amazed at the openness and intellectual honesty of your church. I subscribed to you RUclips channel, and if I was in Toronto I'd probably show up. I'm not a believer though -- I don't think that's going to change. I mean, comparatively though, I have to respect what's going on here. I didn't realize that discussions like this happened in churches. I associate churches primarily with (often a lot of good will, yes, but also) wishful thinking and irrationality.
GOD WILL VISIT YOU SOON !
@@jeffhyatt8173 heh, I doubt it. But best wishes to you sir! To each their own, y'know
@@jeffhyatt8173 😂
You have more faith than Christians to be an atheist. This universe speaks God
@@HUMAN-gm8cs 😂
How very very great is this rendition you've presented. Definitely shown light on the process the path of truth undergoes just to raise the question, and the hope someone can answer.
Brilliant conversation! Thank you so much for sharing.
Another binge watcher and new sub here! I've been sick and so have watched almost all of your videos now. Just wish I was able to attend but now I will have the chance to at least hopefully participate virtually on your live streams. I love how you insert Monty Python references. 🤣 Had me laughing. You're one of a kind. A pastor I can actually listen to and can agree with a lot on. Churches these days are corrupt and yours I think is an example of how all churches should be!
as i read through these comments, it becomes apparent how inflexible many christians are. i think we are lucky to take this knowledge and freely interpret it as we wish. christianity encompasses so many different groups with different beliefs, with protestant denominations & non-denominational groups estimated in the tens of thousands. it is unfortunately exceedingly common for christians to become ruffled & offended when presented with another’s idea that differs from their own. take it, or don’t. why should another’s point of view evoke anger & hatred? i imagine it will be difficult to fit a head & heart filled with anger & hatred through the pearly gates. hmmm?
correct
This happens when the truth is being told.
Because Xianity is just a vehicle for supremacist ideology. Its not about God for them, it's about an appeal to an authority that just so happens to agree with everything the Christian wants to be true, because it absolves them of all responsibility and accountability for their own actions, their God is a Voodoo Doll for their own sin
I think anger comes when people focus on what they disagree on rather than what they agree on. Judge not… hopefully we can try to debate without hate
@@uncannyvalley2350 and a robust vehicle it is. Funny how genealogy, archeology, and anthropology agree...
@@jimdandy3460 I can't tell what you're trying to say, if you mean Archeology and Geneology agrees with the Bible it doesn't, there's zero archeological evidence for an Israel in Palestine, plenty of evidence for one in Lebanon though, ie the Phoenicians. Not sure how *anthropology* plays any role whatsoever 🤔
the people asking the question in this video sound like pre schoolers ...wtf !!! YOUR PATIENCE IS AMAZING
New to the channel and really appreciating the intelligent delivery and the thorough foundation of knowledge.
John Hamer is such a wonderful person, so much spiritual knowledge, amazing, I love listening to his presentations. Thank you so much!
As a lapsed Anglican who reverted to Islam and has studied the KJV (1611) in a paleo anthropological context, I find your videos to be extremely educational and unbiased. May I offer my congratulations on your production of work of the highest quality.
Reverted to Islam. So must be a nice religion that is preoccupied with Sex. Even Heaven :)
@@stephenboshoff8316
Have you read the bible?
Fatjers sleeping with daughters.rape.foreskin and debouchery is the theme.
Then went Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her. [Judges 16:1]
And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. [Genesis 19:33-36]
And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father’s concubine: and Israel heard it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: [Genesis 35:22]
And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her. [Genesis 38:2]
And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother’s wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. [Genesis 38:8-9]
When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face. And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me? And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it? And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him. [Genesis 38:15-18]
@@degdegmedia12 A bit 'wordy' ,don't you think?
@@stephenboshoff8316 Its pre occupied with life and living.
Come on Peter, this production was shite, are you sure its not your being a former Anglican that has lapsed?
Don't encourage these people, they will serve up more of this badly pronounced drivel.
Your lectures are very informative. Thanks...
I'm glad I bumped into these videos. Great job!
Interesting but the constant interruptions by audience questions made it feel jumbled. I kept hoping someone would say please hold your questions until the end.
The guy with the microphone had the opportunity to take charge of that. IF he was trying to listen to John, he would have become annoyed and taken care of the matter.
I found this channel recently and I have to say I appreciate what you do. The content is very informative and really comes from a seemingly honest place.
Seemingly, lol. It’s the LDS. This lecturer is married into Joseph Smith’s family.
I have been following Rob skiba and L A Marzulli for about 9 years now and I can give this exact lecture myself
If you're not going to have the audience hold questions until the end, can you at least place markers in the video so we can skip over all the side-tracking questions? This particular video is almost impossible to watch because John is not permitted by the audience to stay on track and is being cut off mid-sentence by questions that he is already planning to address in the next slide!
All the questions are relevant and timely. The audience may even be better informed - e.g. someone asked, is it Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite or Dionysius Pseudo-Areopagite. Some leading scholars refer to him as the latter, but the question was laughed off.
Some of the audience ask questions just for the sake of asking! Questions should be saved for the end of presentation.
@@softseagreensthey can still be relevant AND asked at the end. Several of the questions he would come to answer later in his presentation. It is a bit distracting
@@alphathechicken4248I agree. It was hard to get through this one with all the interruptions.
This is John's responsibility.
An amazing lecturer.
the revolutionary thought I gleaned from the book of enoch is that "demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim (giants) destroyed in the flood." the new testament talks a lot about Jesus doing exorcisms and casting out devils (demons) but gives no explanation for what they are or where they are from. and so this piece of information was a big eye opener for me. another interesting extra biblical text is the book of Jasher where it says that "God flooded the earth because mankind was mixing species together (ie genetic engineering) the bible just says all flesh became corrupted but the extra info in jasher is mind blowing, especially when you realize only recently has mankind started doing that same thing again. whether just mixing viruses or full blown pig human hybrids.
The Nephilim are still around though, check out the giant Kandahar story.
@@kongsied4279 haha ok bud. Any proof for your claim or you just concluding a red hair giant in Afghanistan is nephilim cause he’s tall
@@wesleyvinal9801 There's text that describe them as red-haired Giants with six fingers and six toes, and 15 ft weighing 1500 pounds isn't just tall pal.
Their talking about not only big hominoids but also there are monkey humanoid. That's what us in Africa and middle east believe what happened in the old days. And God chose to make them evolve into normal animals because they disobeyed Gods law. IT has nothing to do with people in a lab mixing genetics. We live on planet earth where many type of creatures exist. We have proof that Neanderthals and Denisovans existed.
@@GuidetteExpertSorry about the comment bro, read the wrong response
Nice simple lecture and explanation.
John Hamer looks like he smells like old books. He is an encyclopedia incarnate. Love this lecture.
I mean, this was very informative overall. I'm not trying to be overly critical here, but this covered the actual Ethiopian Book of Enoch for maybe 15 minutes of the entire 1.5 hours.
Damn I was hoping the actual scriptures would be read🥸🥸🥸🥸
I second your position.
The plan wasn’t to teach, he was trying to push his own agenda. He was here to ridicule and mock. What’s funny is that am Ethiopian and he doesn’t know what his talking about. He just read a book written by some white dude who thinks he knows it all like him.
@@massimocolongo9660 stop being racist
@@massimocolongo9660 you have the inside view if you know things are odd and different use the time you are taking now to explain to people like it matters instead of complaining or a little 50/50 complain and explain
Fascinating and informative. I am looking forward to watching more.
More in depth than some of my Grad school classes!
This young man is very intelligent, I really enjoy his talks even though I'm not a believer in the man made church religions.
Thanks for these free lectures, John Hamer.
You're very welcome
@@HamerToronto when queen sheba went visit solomon she take him many spices & gifts and she ask him many question but slomon tstart burning with desire & ask her if they can boom boom but she say no. so he trick her. he give her very spicy food to eat and when time for the night come, he give her room awy from his room but he ask her promise that she will not touch or take anything from his house without permision. Sheba too she smart. she make him promise that he will not wake up to touch her when she is sleep. Then solomon say DEAL. I NO TOUCH YOU & YOU NO NO TOUCH ANYTHING mine without permisson. whe she sleep she start feel hot burnig throat and she wake up to go drnk the water but solomon also wake up and follow her & ask why she taking things in his house without premission. she say she only wake up to drink water because she feel buning and he also say he burn with desire so he most touch her. so they boom boom n she get prgenant that night. so child born was solomons but sheba retun to africa with the baby in her stomach& bay grow up jewish.
@@HamerToronto Yes, thank you!
What a great lecturer
very good. I once listened to a great reading of Book of Enoch. I have to re-listen to it soon again because I have learned so much more about God and the Cosmos since.
What god please there is no God
@@mikejohe1920 so is God the I AM as in you? .
You ARE GOD.
@@SqueeblesMcklooflin wrong. if you believe that, they have a name for it: narcissist
I'm a ardent atheist, but I'm absolutely in love with these lectures. I thought these were college lectures, I had no idea John Hamer was a pastor. These are fantastic :)
How to do know if a person is an atheist? You don't, but they'll make sure to tell you.
It would be hilarious if after this lecture, someone raised his or her hand and asked
“So what is Christianity?”
All religions are cults God is not religious man is... GOD doesn't separate us
It's the equivalent of 'The idiots' guide books to......
A sort of short cut, simplified version of how to get to heaven.
Curiously the likes of Enoch, and a Judaic prophet managed to get there without Christianity.
All religions are full of lies in side them. 😂
The abrahamic religions are a bunch of ancient semitic myths inspired and reformed by indo-european ideologies and beliefs.
Enoch was tripping balls
I believe it was removed to take the question of the 'watchers' or off-worlders out of the debate!
Basically John's Revelations mirrors ENOCH'S (not Enik) the end of days narrative,.
ENOCH, (not Enik), was an important patriarch in Judaic culture, but then the compilation of scriptures does not reflect Judaic culture.
Jesus's relative, Jude states in his very short scripture, something along the lines of, "Enoch, seventh from Adam, etc...."
So, The Book of Enoch is inconvenient for those who had Jesus executed on their watch, particularly when they eventually adopted Christ worship to eventually replace their previous gods.
The New testament is coloured with a Roman occupied Palestine, which gave the Jewish populace a certain amount of autonomy.
A big deal is made of Ponteous Pilate washing his hands when the mob chose Barrabas for clemency.
When asked what to do with Jesus, the mob yelled "crucify him".
Now, I wasn't there, but whoever recorded the verdict of the mob, accurately or otherwise, blame over time, would be laid at the local populace.
The point of this preamble, is that the scriptures and text that make up the bible were flavoured in favour of a Roman Empire's change of worship.
So anything, that was contrary to new Roman thinking wasn't included.
@@harryzero1566 so much doublespeak! 2000 years ago...who could possibly really know ???
@@phyllisw. Not so much double speaking Phyllis, its analytical, there are many apocryphal scriptures that were inconvenient and therefore not included.
Remember, its the victors who get to compile, write and rewrite history.
Therefore you get a Romanised christianic version of events, not a Judaic one.
@@harryzero1566 but then there is the hebrew matthew and other books written in hebrew at that time in history. Our Most High Father is disclosing do much information and its exciting to see that we always had a "user manual" and road map for life.
Not only about watchers but I believe also about “Albinism“.
So I m an hour in and I haven t heard the word giant or angel. Still fascinating and educational
Most important book by far. The narrative of condemned angels falling after they exposed humanity to greed, exploitation, wars waged for profit, methodical (written) propaganda, colonialism/imperialism, and predatory accumulation of natural resources.
What is most interesting is what is missing (yet we have very solid evidence, all over the world, of amazing technologies resulting in great, indeed perplexingly difficult to explain megalithic structures) are books on architecture, math and astronomy : all of which where employed not only in the pre historic writing, but in churches, temples, mosques and just about every other imaginable structure used for places of worship by not only biblical peoples, but peoples all around the earth. The idea that the sciences used in these surviving arts were not side by side with other religious writings is a rather strange, if not suspect, fact.
Those of us who grew up in Africa were thought by our ancestors that once upon a time giants lived amongst us as citizens all over black Africa and they were black peoples who spoke our languages just like you see elephants and mammoths looking like the same species and different. It’s the only reason why ancient Egyptian buildings were over 15 to 30 feet tall. In west Africa especially Nigeria some of them existed until few centuries ago and some were soldiers and their exploits were passed down the ages including their names and what villages or towns produced them and some were royalty and there was a recorded history of a great king an Oba of Bini empire who wiped them out and make it looked like he beheaded only one giant who was as tall as the African palm tree 🌴 because he saw him as a political threat to his throne to have someone that strong walking around in his army. I’m Asian one survived and was filmed being honoured by the imperial Japanese army and their king. It’s on tape on RUclips. A normal giant so huge the world tallest people on guineas books of records looked sick and diseased compared to that one. The last one in Nigeria used to pull out trees from the ground like a bull elephant and beat his enemy ti death with it on the battle field. He was a crown prince forbidden to rule so his kind can die out. His statue is in Nigeria today. Mankind probably wiped out the remnants of giants out of fear like was done in America by native Americans who buried them alive in a cave.
Several people have made comments on the English pronunciation of Biblical names. People in North America have traditionally drawn upon Genesis (and the rest of the Bible) for names. As such, English pronunciations exist for these names that differ from the way contemporary Hebrew is pronounced and is also different from some reconstructed ancient Hebrew pronunciation. Thus, Abraham is "AY-bruh-ham" in English not "ah-brah-HAHM," Joseph is "JOE-suff" in English not "YEW-siff," and Enoch is "EE-nick" in English not "KHE-nookh." Enoch was a much more common name in 19th century North America than it is today, but the name in English is pronounced "EE-nick." We have the same conventions when using Roman names in English. For example, we call Caesar "SEE-zer" instead of "KAI-sar" and we say "SISS-er-oh" for Cicero, instead of "KEEK-air-oh".
I grew up on the East Coast, half in the South and half in New England. I have never heard someone pronounce Enoch as "EE-Nick." Always heard it pronounced "EE-Knock."
A comparable example could be found in "The Dukes of Hazard" where the character of the deputy has another, similar Biblical name "Enos". The show portrays the traditional American pronunciation of that name: EE-nuss, (rather than "ee-NOSS"). I appreciate that if you live on the coast in the Northeast, you may have access to people influenced by modern Hebrew pronunciation, rather than standard English pronunciation.
Christianity lets you have all the names in your own language.
@@HamerToronto
The name Jared saw a remarkable revival in popularity in the second half of the twentieth century.
It has been in decline since 2000.
I have no idea why.
Jared Leto was born in 1971.
Very good presentation. Congratulation.
You barely talked about the book. I thought tha was the point of the lecture.
Here is a lecture focused on the contents: ruclips.net/user/live_ETJ-c_nbHw?si=R9RzPzHL5-BkDnZt
Thank you for this!🙏🏽
The questions mid-lecture are very distracting to your narrative.
Very interesting thank you.
Very enlightening
I believe there needs to be a question time. The speaker needs time to do his lecture. They should get a piece of paper and pen and write the questions down and ask at the end.
This will make the whole process more fluid and captivating.
The purpose of the lectures is to satisfy the congregational meetup, RUclips is just a bonus
Some people believe Enoch was actually Thoth the Egyptian and was actually the grand architect of the great pyramids. Makes sense if you read the Emerald tablets as well as all the books of Enoch.
Enoch Hermes thoth same
Hmm Thoth? That's a clever correlation. Thoth is associated with Wisdom and Writing as well as the Moon.
(I wish I remember where I found this source, please forgive me)
Enoch was ascended into Heaven via a fiery chariot guided by an "Angel of the Moon/Sun" into the layers of Paradise. The Angel's name was of Hebrew origin and if Enoch was Egyptian, that would make for a interesting allegory or Epic about dual perspectives both ascending and learning together as one.
A lot of folks dont know about that so I'm glad you decided to speak on it.
If Enoch was being translated/transported back, forth and finally 'taken up' It would certainly run parallel with Hermes/Thoth/Trismegistus.
I often wonder how connected we actually are with outer worldly entities in this era of technology and science.
@@sevenseven6884 also Trismegistus (thrice great)
You should Tell your peeps to hold ? till after. Thanks for the talk. It was good. Love these videos
Great lecturer
How can one human being know this much? I’m in awe. Thank you!
The power of the Most High God
It's not a miracle; it's research.
Like, I'm not in any way diminishing his accomplishment when I say that he's done his research.
He has done he research but the Most High has allowed him to have spiritual eyes to see and spiritual ears to hear
I like that Enoch walked with God, and lived 365 years. 365 is kind of a familiar number.
Your claiming god is real, where is you evidence???
@@Your.mama.1 It's a story. None of it is real. Harry Potter does stuff too. The point is to hear a good story that resonates.
@@MrKellyHiggins so you understand the Bible is myth legend and history, and you are saying you don’t believe in a god, just that you like a good story ???
@@Your.mama.1 Mostly, but it's more than a good story. In fact, it's really not that great a set of stories. Mostly unbelievable, and largely dopey. But the reason I am interested is that they are important stories for understanding history and our present culture. And the lessons Jesus is said to have taught are real and important and powerful.
@@MrKellyHiggins a Jesus character have existed but we don’t know if is the same person also no magic , it needs to be classified as myth.
Do you put these lectures on DVD? There are several i would purchase ro revisit and share.
One note, the book of Jeremiah from about ch 25 onward in the LXx is different from all other Bibles.
2nd to last answer the most illuminating😮
Can he not say "E knock" or am I not properly pronouncing Enoch ?
And that's why it's important to look at both the spelling and pronunciation, and realize that back in the day they usually didn't write in the vowels..so many words have counterparts in other countries that we don't always see...like the Jewish Christ and Egyptian karest
He's defiantly pronouncing it wrong and is waiting for someone to ask him about it. From Boston no doubt . SHARON!!! (some might get it)
Exactly???
Though I am familiar with a number of minor prophets like - Job, Ezekel, Jacob, Solomon but I really do not know details about them. I thought he would talk more about them in detail.
Guess not much is written about these Ancient Prophets, the history could be 3,000 years old. So nobody wrote about them.
Now Ezekiel is another one that was describing the walk with 2 Angle's who was really describing alien creatures who glowed he said . Said they told him “you humans smell ” and made him undress and lather up with something that smelled good then they had him put on a suit and it made him glow like them. Took him to a landing pad it turns out after the measurements were drawn out by some French architect. But anyway that's the pages of measurements you see . Pages of them . He was told to measure it but didn't really want to or at least questioned them why he should. “ that's why we brought you here ” they replied. Eric's views on the Bible are very interesting and he says if you change heaven to space and Angle's to aliens, it's a whole different view. He studied the Bible in Catholic school .
I invite all to visit Ethiopia and witness the history and treasure of christianity kept by the Ethiopian orthodox church
there is a civil war going on at the moment.
I think more efforts should be made in translating more of the Ethiopian ancient literatures so it become available to all.
@@crowleythedemoncat The incident is not Civilwar by any account , limited to geographic area and can not hinder movement to non conflict areas and which will be resolved soon.Please follow closely.
@@bashaabysinia
Bless your people, in Jesus' Name.
🙏💙
thanks, I will do.
Where can you find the most original separated books of books with accurate translations? The books that the Judaism or Old testament is made of and also the books that they skipped? Im very curious on how other hominoids thought in the old days and what happened.
Does anyone know where can I find an Ethiopian JEWISH Bible in English please?
I'm doing some research. Any help would be appreciated.
why does he call it "the book of enich " ?
just to attract a focus from his audience.
Where can we buy an english version of the complete Ethiopian bible ??
In Ethiopia 🇪🇹
English version doesn't exist
Not English
@@nickvanr.8584 I guess you have to learn Amharic if you are that much desperate
@@saybelaaysik4822 is the Amharic version a translation of the Ge'ez version ? If so, do you know who translated it ? (The church or academic's)...
In the first century AD, the only canon of the OT was the LXX. The Jewish canon for the OT was finalized in the 10 century AD and is called the Masoretic Canon of the OT. Until then, were in use multiple versions of the books that are now in the OT. The only Canon for the OT was Septuagint. Between LXX and Masoretic Canon is a period of 1300 years.
I listened to this for ages. Then I noticed the Chris-Cham hairstyle, and suddenly it was all I could see.
Most of the audience’s questions are simply an excuse to show off tidbits they happen to know.
Yep that's how lecture questions work lol
Put the tidbits together and it's educational
Juan Caminante Yes… and flesh out the Very Sporadic Understanding of the presenter. I’ve Never heard a presentation that was So Expanded and Helped Along by the questions/elucidations provided by the audience. And Im not saying that just to be belligerent. This is a Very Important Topic and one that At Least Us Christians were quite poorly informed about Unfortunately..
That's the usual way of things
First time?
to much interruption with questions
Very informative
One question that I would ask, is if it is not inspired what would be the reason to write this book and who does it benefit?
Some may not understand why so many people are just reading this book. Well the one that had this book written tell us in the very first chapter why until now. [Chapter 1]
1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is 3 for to come. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:
It's legit as far as I am concerned ,the church has a lot of blood on their hands . they have not heeded the warning in Revelation to not add nor take away from the book ,now they will be plagued.HalleluYAH !
Constantine lies eventually will be gone
Not as long as there is an entire industry built around claiming they have a true understanding of the true story. There will always be those who sell their “knowledge” as a way to make a living.
Emperor Constantine the Great has nothing to do with anything
Good movie though
Father= The Word -that's righteous without any words.
Son= The Person -you know that walks to remind you.
Spirit= The Way -you carry it all around...
Simple= not us
Little known fact - during the time of Paul and the apostles turkey was not only Greek speaking. There were large sections that were Armenian speaking where according to the tradition saints Thaddeus and Bartholomew actually spread the gospel there where this was considered the first country to accept Christianity. My grandmother was from there.
…nice apricots👍
Interruptions should be restricted to the end of the lecture. They are very annoying.
I had to stop the video midway through. All these elderly toddlers keep derailing his carefully constructed lecture with asinine questions, I suddenly remember why I hated college. He's very patient with them though
Too bad the speaker was allowed to be interrupted by questions
.......excellent presentation! ty for posting
"Hahnook" not Enik...
1:08:00 when discussion of Enoch begins
Thank you🙏✝
Late dating Daniel draws all other suppositions from the lecture into question.
The Ethiopian link reminds me of the Rastafari and their particular take on it all.
Rastafaris are a bunch of nuts who think some diseased king have a devine power
So what then is your opinion of the GOP?
@@teddyissak2720 Just like Christians then?😂😜
The Holy Piby covers the event of the Queen of Sheba traveling to King Solomon. It's a very good read. One Love. Rastafari🙏✌🏼❤💛💚
very refreshing
Very interesting lecture and question and interpretation session. Being a past life regression professional and knowing my own past lives I know the people discussed and how this all plays out.
Constantine was not thinking about UFOs like you are suggesting when he had the Roman Catholic Bible created after the council of Nicaea in 324. The concept of Ancient Alien Conspiracy Channel (History Channel) is based on modern scientific technological understanding just as absent to the Romans as the ancient Hebrews. Also, the alien conspiracies are based on using one unproven and pseudo scientific bit of information to help prove another in a continuum of false logic whose reasoning is antithetical to the scientific method,
@@jasoncuculo7035 I don't watch TV. I prefer to go without the opinions of other people especially when the TV is used for mass hypnosis telling people what to think, what to buy and whatever other suggestions they want to put in the human populations brain. As far as UFOs go I have had my own personal experiences to draw from as well as being a hypnotherapist I recieve information that is not necessarily public. I have chatted with Jesus ' oversoul. I have also discovered my past lives. And if you are brave enough and have the minimal computer skills then I challenge you to cut in half the death mask of Joseph Smith and place it on my face. I assure you that you could solve another mystery. If you choose not to then please do not respond with limited knowledge.
Do you even know the true nature of the earth we live on?
@@qhhtpractitionerapostlemat8106 The order of the statements was the problem. Much further down a week ago, Phillis W,. made a statement about the "Watchers" being "outworlders". My comment on UFOs was on her statement. It sounded to me like a reference to ancient alien conspiracies.
@@qhhtpractitionerapostlemat8106 I responded to Phillis W, not to you.
it was removed because within this book is the truth about far more than you imagine. that's why the scrolls were protected. the thing about enoch that most don't realize being himself 7 he has evolved past lies so not being able to lie it makes him very unpopular on earth. and all he is trying to do is to help humanity become 5. so he can in turn become 9. it sounds crazy but there it is...evolution & creationism all wrapped up together nice and tight
Mohamed said no God would have to rest after 6 days of work. Even the Gods must Evolve. Jealousy is one of the worst traits of a person let alone of a God. There are over 200 extant religions, all have the one true God. Religions are franchises, take your pick. Interesting stories but not my pick.
@@patrickbuhr2258 how many sides on a cube?
Why does he have Ethiopian images from the Bible and can not explain what the images are in his presentation? The very first question from the audience he is unprepared to answer. He gives the excuse of a language barrier. How hard is it to have the text translated if you are using it for your presentation?
So true was thinking the same thing
This is when some people go as far as doing Doctorates to propel inacuracies.
A bit shallow really.
Remember, he is not a robot. He knows more than 99% of what Ethiopians know. At least he knows more than I do !
I don’t know if anyone has had , but every few minutes the words sped up so u cant understand what he saying, the words r all garbled it soso frustrating to hear this , could u please fix this
Thanks
Why is Azazel numbered among the fallen as both number 10 and 21?
...sadly , there was a recent massacre at the church mentioned 1:03 , hundreds were murdered in the once peaceful town of Axum.
How come this not on the news? I 4got they are busy peddling the alleged savior jabajaba V sad indeed!
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@@godssplendor7779 It WAS in the news.
Yes the gov has declared war on internal terrorist
@@werqzeleke2815 according to several news agencies it was govt troops with support from a neighbouring country who committed the massacre (amongst other atrocities).
I would like to know John's take on The Essene Gospel of Peace. Is there a lecture on it? I know that it's pretty much been proven to have been written by this fellow Szekely, and he's been accused of fraudulently claiming he translated from ancient codices he had access too. But it is inspiring and wonder what other scholars have said in his defense etc..
@New ha ha ha youre fuggin nuts
The Essenes were focused on taking mushrooms and interpreting the teachings of Pythagoras, whose name means Heart of the Serpent, a reference to Baal, or Apollo, the Great Teacher is Alexander's tutor Aristotle, and his Tutor Plato.
Seluecid Kings presented the God Apollo with Frankinscense and Myrrh too, which can be used to get high as well, though it may have been for perfume
@New hhhmmmm that s nice. Anyway it was two big Macs two large fries a large coffee double double and a large coke
@@uncannyvalley2350 pithy
Is this book Available in Urdu. 🤗🤗🤗
Thank you.
It all makes total sense when you don't think about it. When you have a lie at the heart of your belief system you need a strong network of lies surrounding it to convince the gullible that there is truth.
Pure coincidence he lived 365 years though right
@@uncannyvalley2350 In the pre-flood era, according to the bible, people had much longer years. After, god numbered the days of man to 100 years
There's also historical reference in I believe ancient Sumeria and Babylon of at least notable people like kings living for hundreds of years. Though, since our lifespans are so short, this is totally unbelievable to us, and most likely falsified (Insofar as the probability that successive people took the same exact name)
Also, no one can confirm that Enoch actually lived 365 years or that he was even an actual person and not a fabrication or tale, like a lot of the things presented in the bible.
@@ouroboros5793 its a 365 day year, and his son Methusaleh 969, every 969 days or 32 months is a black moon 🌚 its all astrological allegory, Jesus Pisces, Moses Taurus, John the Baptist Aquarius, Mary Virgo etc etc
@@uncannyvalley2350 Right and if it's allegory, it's fabrication
@@ouroboros5793 not necessarily, we know the Antikythera mechanism was an accurate device that predicted eclipses and the motions of the planets, we know Astrology was their form of Science in the Bronze Age, Science literally came from the Magi and Alchemists. The fabrication part is people reading the metaphors as literal, and interpreting astrological data as divine gospel
the lecture really doesn't start until 54 minutes into the video ....the earlier parts are various dry academic comments about the construction of various bible book collections ....after 54 minutes the talk becomes about theology
I don't agree it helps in giving a contextual origin and development
Context is great, but he barely touched on Enoch and spends less than ten minutes on the book of Enoch. What a disappointment. If I had wanted an hour lecture on bible construction, I would have chosen a different lecture. I know less about Enoch now than I did when I started.
@@marybethlong2190 true considering the title
I thoroughly enjoy listening to this video, it's saved to listen again! You shared so much information, I wish, worldwide, we all give a shake & wake to listen.
I think you should reserve the questions to the end of your expose for better workflow ...
It's funny how even modern Christians don't understand the trinity
If they did, it would be a heresy. The Council of Nicea said, definitively, that it does not make sense, and to claim it does, or to attempt making it make sense, is heresy. It is illogical and irrational at its core, and you have to reject using logic or reason and accept it on faith. The Bible even directly says 'lean not on your own understanding' and things like that. People who say their religion is logical, or that it 'makes sense', at least Christians, are fundamentally heretics (or just don't understand their own church, which is more common).
If one understands how a human is a tripartite being: body, soul and spirit, you can understand the Trinity. For God, all 3 parts have a consciousness and will, that are in perfect harmony and unitity.
@@hojda1 the soul and spirit are different in what language first and second the church has said the father, son and holy ghost are each different persons so is what you said different persons? If don't even realise but what you said would have got you burned in the inquisition
They don't understand, because( CHRISTIANITY, is not in the Book that you call the Biible, people don't understand Our Father The Most High's Words in the VOLUME of the Book, but they understand about made up Religion.
@@carolynedwards2689 do explain?
I love how they get away from the real teachings and start adding their own versions which is the introduction of pagan influences and treat this just as if it was not actually blasphemous. These different councils and kings act like they had the right to add "what we think". "This what the churches of the so and so say"...no true believer cares..
You realize that the entire Bible was codified by some king initially right? Protestants removed stuff that was initially in the bible until some reformer decided that he had the authority to remove it. I feel like you're missing the entire point of this talk
I thought deuterocanonicles were drips of heavy water that freeze while falling out of artillery
It was mentioned in genesis. I heard a audiobook this morning
Enik?
Is this a Sumerian Ethiopic version?
If so does he mean Enki?
It so irritating to hear the principle character's name so badly pronounced, and hearing it spoken so badly multiple times is just too much.
It's E‐nOch, as in 'knock on the door'
That's been there issue from the beginnings.
They see, read, think awkwardly as there rhythm.
In the LDS tradition, Enoch is pronounced Enik.
@@jeffhunter6567 LSD or LDS?
@@jeffhunter6567 They have their own pronunciation for Enoch? Interesting. I wonder why?
Ethiopian version of Enoch is pronounced Henok
If it is not included, why then it is such an issue!? Was the most important thing got left out? It was written. "The stone that the builder refused" finish it!!!
because the consolidation was put together for control and the interpretation that is in the bible contradict the true stories of the bible
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Thank you for this ...
Are there any remaining aramaic biblical texts?
Dead Sea Scrolls and Samaritan Pentateuch
The Aramaic part of Daniel is (unsurprisingly) in Aramaic.
Check out Hamer's lecture on Daniel.