Greatswords aren't Slow and Cumbersome
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Recently, quite a few people have been asking me whether you can actually wield a steel greatsword with any significant sort of speed and change the direction of your attacks easily. So I figured it would be cool to do a short video to showcase some different greatswords I have trained with over the years and compare their weight and the speed at which I can swing them.
All of these swords fall roughly within the 2-4kg spectrum of historical examples that were intended for actual battlefield us. In order:
- GoNow foam greatsword, 2kg
- Blackfencer nylon montante, 2kg
- Ancient Forge custom bidenhander, 2kg
- Regenyei Spadone, 2,3kg
- Kvetun greatsword, 2,8kg
- Fire sword by Rab McMeikan
#historical #fencing #hema #greatsword #montante #zweihander #guts #eldenring #darksouls
Imagine you are just a peasant forced to fight and there is a medieval helicopter in front of you carving through your whole village
Until you realise that once you hit that first peasant your weapon has stopped moving and are now open to counter attacks.
@@lordhawkeye Or you all just wait until the guy starts puking his lunch up from exhaustion. Both work.
Halberds baby halberds. You knight could eviscerate your standard peasant easily on skill alone. Add some top notch armor and and he may seem invincible, right up until those peasants got some picks or even worse some good polearms and outnumber him three to one. Then Sir Pincushion is screwed.
@@Snipergoat1 Sir Pincushion 😂
@@lordhawkeye Not how a greatsword works. And also dude is swinging around a big sword that weighs almost nothing.
Lots of people don't realize just how light and well made greatswords are. They imagine a giant slab of metal that's virtually impossible to wield.
Yeah, Which is a shame. These things are so damn cool! :)
@@VirtualFechtschule Indeed, I would even go so far as to call ANY type of greatsword the pinical of sword technology, whether African, European, Asian or belonging to any other cultures
@@TytonidaeIndustriesyou could say that considering how bearing sword or the japanese 'giant's sword' were basically made to show wealth and skills in blademaking
@@TytonidaeIndustries *pinnacle
Forgive me, it just annoyed me.
@cordyceps182 no worries, it was bothering me while I typed it out, lol
And now you know why a dnd character takes up a full 5ft square
Naw, nruh, that's 10ft here, and it's only if he'll be standing still.
Yeah: the smell
A greatsword should have reach.
@@tapurate638 Remember that a D&D character is occupying a 5ft space and can attack within a further 5ft. So it's more like a 15ft diameter space.
But the writers still ignorantly have greatswords weighing 15 lbs.
It is kind of funny that characters with less physical strength are often portrayed as using bows. Swords are surprisingly light for long pieces of steel. Compare that to repeatedly drawing a war bow.
This is something Dash Rendar talks about, as well as Skallagrim on the physique of knights being much slimmer than the modern idea of them
Bowmen should be buff af
@RRRRRRRRRRR956 not to mention better able to display the goods without all the armor Frontline have.
I don't know man, 'cause knight have to be strong enough to wear plate armors that weigh almost a human's. But archers have packed muscles in their backs
@@crayontotallyen4616Plate armor is not that heavy, more like 50 lbs and if fitted well, weight would be distributed across the body. Not too much more than modern soldiers's gear which makes sense, you designed equipment based on the max a person could realistically support.
100+ pound armors are usually for jousting or tournaments and specialized for that kind of context.
"Greatswords are slow and cumbersome" is the greatsword equivalent of "shotguns only do damage at close range."
Both true.
@@hallvarhustad have you ever fired a shotgun?
@@hallvarhustadit depends on the shotgun but in general, those pellets dont just disappear after 5 feet. They keep going in a pretty wide cone of pain.
@@oldschoolChazzedThey do disappear after 5 feet, but luckily, that is the maximum flight altitude of ducks.
@@hallvarhustadA shotgun slug has a maximum effective range of 600 feet. Two football fields. Buckshot has an effective lethal range of over 60 feet. Even if you're using buckshot, you can kill someone four stories away from you, horizontally. And a slug shotgun is just a rifle with heavier bullets.
Fromsoft devs seeing this: "huh.. anyways, make em swing like it weighs half a ton"
Different kind of balance 😂
They also kill gods. These 3kg swords wont
@@Rexus0705 Tell that to all the gods hanging around within sword distance on Earth.
malenia's prostheic sword weighs like 75 kilos (assuming it's made out of gold), and waterfowl has enough kinetic energy to cut through most WW2-era tanks
mind u, thats not the one you use, i mean the one malenia uses
It's called balance
Well every flying insect in that room just died
send this guy to illinois he needs to defend us from the cicada emergence
@@seanoreilly9950Yes 🙏
😂😂😂😂
Nah. There was only ever that one mosquito, and it lived.
If they’re lucky, they just transitioned into a walking insect
Seeing the greatsword defense for multiple attackers in an alleyway was a massive eye-opener in regards to greatsword application.
Until they have a gun, then you'll see how far warfare has come
Outside of the US? Sure, if no one has any concerns with you carrying a giant sword around.
That's what the Spanish used them for in naval warfare too. You're literally a one man army if you're on the deck of a ship or boarding plank with one of those things.
@@TheStraightestWhitestthe alleyway tho it still depends. Tight spaces still pose problems with swords regardless of size
yet dies to pike
@@user-nb8nj6yj1pnot if you turn it towards your foe and use it as a stab.
I wish more people would realise how light medieval weapons tend to be. It's all about the balance
speaking of balance, -4 pounds- 2 kg is a fuck of a lot when you’ve got it extended a body length away from yourself. couldn’t imagine having to swing around one in the double-digits people quote.
@@oscaranderson5719Center of mass is near the cross. So it is not that bad.
@@_KUBA it’s not terribly bad, but it’s enough that it forced me to really learn how to use my body weight to move it so I don’t fatigue my arms too fast.
And knowing how to use the handle as a lever properly otherwise these things will wield *you* as you fight its mass and inertia inefficiently
Same thing with armor, plate really wasn't that heavy
Now imagine your biggest, tallest, angriest relative with full armor, a great sword and training. Tanks of the days of Sword and Board
Bruh my older brother is already scary, he is 6'3 and prior military and current law enforcement
… I’m the tallest relative at 5’8. I am the most muscular however. Would hopefully mess a few people up
Gregor Clegane
Actually, the tanks of the sword and shield days were fully armoured men on fully armoured horses. Greatsword dudes were more like light armour.
@@gmoney6460 yikes dude im 6'1
The reason people don't USUALLY spar with steel great swords is that no one wants to get hit by a big ass steel sword at full power in the head! Or any other part of the body!
Git gud. Clearly a skill issue
Why weren't they uses more in history tho? Was the extra cost of the metal not considered worth it?
@@gabcard2767Spears are more cost effective and very easy to use
@@gabcard2767 Because it takes more money, skill, and space to use a greatsword. Polearms are way cheaper, easier, and useful in formations.
@@Arbidarb Makes sense. Thanks for the info!
Beautiful showing that not only are Greatswords are lighter and more maneuverable than you think, but if you know how to use them properly, you can be a dangerous foe even when surrounded as seen at the beginning.
I could be wrong, but if they all rushed in with shields up, they could have swarmed the greatsword wielder.
Would a greatsword go through a wooden shield if hit head on?
@@cat_city2009probably not, but it would possibly knock them aside.
@@cat_city2009yeah but the greatswords started to be popular when shields disappeared from the battlefields. Zweihander was made to break pike formations for example. The shield wasn't effective anymore because armors were much better later on. You are right but these two would rarely meet
@@qubek533Yes, the greatsword was made for the battlefield first and foremost, you wouldn't exactely carry it around for self defence. A few greatswordsmen could advance into a pike formation while swinging in a predetermined pattern like we see in this video to knock pikes to the side and break up the formation, alternatively bait them into abandoning their position. Then the regular soldiers could engage them more effectively. But it was a extremely dangerous job usually undertaken by forlorn hopes, wich were bands of soldiers expected to carry out suicide missions. Usually convicts, people who drew lots or just madmen that reckoned they could survive and recieve the extra pay.
The footwork on display here is fantastic. Well done sir. That's no mean feat.
No mean feet?
They are very mean feet
Literally the best and most relevant part of this whole display 👏
It's two mean feet.
Greatswords are not slow and cumbersome, they’re just long and require a decent amount of space to offend an area
Which when storming a castle or established defense position those prospects are rarely given to the attacker
@@manicsnake137 In tight quarters a greatsword essentially just becomes a shorter spear, but yes they do excel as defensively-minded weapons (either for controlling a space and preventing entry or guarding a person).
The area: 😢
Or if your confined in a small box with chain and lock....That's when you don't have room to swing the Beluga around...
Game animators should take some notes.
Todd has gotten plenty
Real life weapons aren't "balanced" in a way that makes all the cool ones equally viable.
If you make every game realistic games will go from criminally underreoresenting spears to near total polearm dominance.
@@ZenoDovahkiin Depends how much is being factored in. If you have to worry about carry weight, difficulty of use in confined space, friendly fire, and an inability to be used with a shield or ranged weapon equipped (or spellcasting focus if it's that kind of game), then there are reasons to use other weapons.
@@ZenoDovahkiin It's just about the animations dude, nobody talked about effectiveness
@@OniGanon I think Kingdom Come Deliverance did it well. Polearms there dominate in melee, HOWEVER they cannot be sheathed and you cannot sprint at full speed while wielding one.
However I do wish that you could stash it on your horse or wield it on horseback.
Dude wtf, been playing mmo’s forever and none of them decided to research how these swords were used? The movement is so badass.
Almost no game gets greatswords right.
@@pal1d1nl1ght they are more like a polearm like a Swiss guard would have historically used them. the issue is you would get tired without massive amounts of training since while not heavy the act of keeping the momentum to be a whirlwind is quite taxing on your body.
@@toomanyaccounts so would doing anything that your character does in most of video games, let me swing a greatsword properly.
games have to account for balance. irl there are reasons why the entire planet didn't use these from their discovery. Battles can last all day, missile weapons will take note of the lack of a shield, transport becomes an issue, etc.
Games can't consider most of these issues so they slow the weapons down.
to be fair. all that swing action, preparation count as a single action and you cant stop/cancel it out. Thats why they say it slow. The action to pull sword behind, wind up count as active frame. If youre coming in a battle where both zweihander + longsword start at the same time. of course it slow. The mere seconds for you to lift it up is enough for long sword slash + stab one.
Zweihander center is closer to the tip, its more like an oversize axe/halberd rather than other light weapon.
Three guys trying to get a hit in: "Are you exhausted yet?"
You can see how while being only 3 kilos, a greatsword still takes a good chunk of skill and strenght to wield like this
A warrior training his whole life with a weapon like this would have little issue with it. Clubs were also incredibly common in battle, as were axes, polearms, etc. Its a common myth that weapons had to be super light in battle.
@@goldenhate6649 Or super heavy. As in games, hero can barely lift two-handed sword.
i was thinking...wouldn't a be relatively easy to lose balance, if u don't strike properly. like if u end up striking with the side of the blade wouldn't be hard to keep hold of the weapon? cause of the weight and how it is distributed
@@MsRafaelRGO this is solved with good footwork, however a strong parry can throw off your balance
You can see how much a .5kg addition alters his form. Wild.
Man's just casually upgrading to a proper Guts' greatsword
Raiders Greatsword is like 50pounds LOL
@@Tyyin. Slowly but surely, with every new video he posts 🤣
The montage makes it appear casual. However there is scene in the transition that if you look closely, his red face and slow-er movements belie the effort it’s requiring him to exert.
And even in the end he’s going through the motions. Warfare has always been about lethality as a distance.
That beautiful slab of iron is called Dragonslayer. There is a guy here on RUclips that was trying to train up to being able to swing a real Dragonslayer replica, dont know if he made it
Next up: Chaoseater from Darksiders, the Ashen Vindicator from Soulstice (one side of the blade has the sharp bit replaced with a handle to use it upside-down as a warhammer) and the Heavenly Sword from, well, Heavenly Sword.
Complete with split-apart action.
And then the Soul Reaver, i guess.
I remember as a kid going to Edinburgh castle where they had a genuine long sword from medieval times. They had it laying down horizontally on a table, that thing was heavy at 1st but once you have it vertically or use the weight of the sword to manoeuvre it around it was quite light. This video was awesome but I could see the speed tho not much really slowing down with each weight class…not that I would of mattered still swung at speed with the bonus momentum behind it, definitely messing up someone’s day 😅
If you didn't see the slow down with the progressive weights you need your eyes checked. Any fighter would call the movements on the 3.3kg sword glacial
Still looks like a HELL of a workout!
Any swordplay can be a hell of a workout. Ask a fencer.
People don't realise that balancing is a key factor in weapon construction. 2 kg of perfectly balanced weight are pretty easy to throw around
Guess too many people think of a greatsword like Cloud's Buster Sword or Guts Dragon Slayer.
@@4lackofbetter that and most people have probably never held a well made sword in their lives, if they have held a sword it's likely been a shoddy wallhanger made for looks over all else.
I’d wager most people imagine a greatsword to be *considerably* heavier than 2 kg
What's heavier: a 2kg foam greatsword or a 2kg steel greatsword?
That's right it's the 2kg steel greatsword. Because steel is heavier than foam
Clearly the foam...
@@bugsy0422 yeah but they're both 2kg
@@TheonlyNuclearFox but steel is heavier than foam
It's not heavier it's more dense. Also I am not convinced, only honestly hoping you guys are kidding. You were kidding, right?
I do this kind of thing with a staff and it's definetly possible and deadly but only for a few minutes at a time, the huge rotational momentum costs a lot.
@@beowulf_of_wall_stthat and "only for a few minutes" is still a really long time to be actively fighting in most battlefield scenarios, let alone in a 3V1 with no incoming support.
@@Santisima_Trinidad yeah that's true, a fight like this is a 30 second thing at most before someone dies or disengages
The momentum may cost a lot but it costs more if you don’t use the rotational momentum to keep in motion.
Shadow boxing always looks cool. Put on the weighted gloves and get into a ring against 3 opponents actually trying to beat you down and it's a whole new world. You'll be on the rug, that's for sure. Mostly bleeding though.
@@beowulf_of_wall_st You watch too much TV. People don't die in one slice and armor actually stopped half the strikes. It wasn't easy to take down an armored foe.
Greatsword fighting in a nutshell: Spin to Win
No in fact what he's doing is very inefficient and stupid, yes he keeps the momentum going because you have to, however not like this unless you're against multiple opponents and anyone who is somewhat skilled can easily close the gap ot parry a strike, also the average person today doesn't have the strength to swing even a Longsword fast either, elden ring has it down in attack speed for the most part and in duels you're definitely not going to be swinging like that.
@@yulfine1688 lmao have you seen longsword fights? they’re basically a blur. longswords are exceptionally light and whippy, greatswords are a bit more ponderous but not nearly to the same level as Elden Ring depicts. heck, you could swing it in one hand and _still_ be faster.
@@yulfine1688 You try and fight a real person at Elden Ring speed and you'll die before you even start your second swing, even against a complete novice.
@@Candlemancer you'll die attempting to fly your blade around.. you're not swinging it anywhere near that fast in combat or in war, its not like sports today...
@@yulfine1688 you realize that speed correlates with power, right? it also means anyone moving that much slower is never, _ever_ gonna land a hit- much less a solid one.
It will be a beautiful day when a videogame gets the greatsword down the correct way.
Would be cool indeed! :)
@@VirtualFechtschule So far Mortal Shell and Lords of the Fallen (the new one) has come the closest to what's it like to wield a greatsword/longsword. So there ARE devs who pick up on these details.
@@balintkovacs4089 nice, I'll check those out! :)
And then they can portray magic and dragons realistically too.
@@wunnell Exactly. No more cheap wyverns labelled as dragon :D
I don't have experience with greatswords, only with one-handed ones, but I've always found swinging steel to actually be slightly easier because they are thin and don't get so much air resistance because of that
Yeah, they’re much lighter and easier to swing than movies, tv, and video games would have us believe. However, the soreness and fatigue is real when you’ve been at it for a bit. It’s something I wasn’t fully expecting when I first picked up HEMA.
@@Xeonort Oh ye, it's crazy how fast your arms get tired
@@XeonortThe average person will get sore from golf if they aren't used to it.
I remember decades ago being told to expect a sword to weigh about one pound per foot. 2.3 -3kg for a greatsword is pretty close to that old guide
Also because of balance. Centre of mass in onehanded sword is closer to your own hand, which makes it easier to control the weapon (depends on a type of sword, of course, but still)
That looked so smooth and agile. I wasn't expecting this to be possible with a greatsword.
great swords in games after 1 swing: guess i will have an unskippable cooldown of 10 seconds before I can attack again 🙅♂️
When I played Skyrim, I completely avoided power attacks. Just made me feel clumsy.
If you mean souls games, Greatswords have a pretty correct attacking pace in that series. The movements seen in the video are for defending an area, usually a bridge or a boat or a street corner, for a limited time period. Against what could potentially be many enemies. It will exhaust even a highly trained person very quickly. One person is putting in tons of effort to keep the opponents at bay while they can just stand there out of reach.
So yeah, You're much better off swinging a greatsword like you're in elden ring, with elden ring speed, than doing this, if you were actually in elden ring situations
You might be thinking of ultra greatswords, which are much, much bigger than this. And therefore have much higher impact forces than this, and higher recovery after each swing. That's a different exchange of forces and totally reasonable for someone with superhuman strength (like the zweihander description from ds1 says)
Meanwhile in Darksiders and Soulstice, they're you're starting weapon for the entirety of the game and your most reliable option for regular consistent damage with very little cooldown, if at all.
War's animations from Darksiders seem to have some fairly realistic swordplay to them where he uses the momentum of the swings to keep on going. Same with Briar in Soulstice, though she also does some spinning where she gets dragged around a bit by the sword.
Just out of curiosity. What games do you play?
@@ExtraVictory Lol, no. Souls games have the same exact problems of weapons being swung like they are 10+kg clubs not meant to be used as weapons.
Shadiversity made a video about it.
There's no redeeming qualities about the way weapons in Elden Ring (and by extension, every other Dark Souls game from FromSoft, since they are all the same game).
If they were slow and cumbersome, then mercenaries wouldn't have chosen to use them. They pay is no good if you're dead.
Mercenaries trained (experienced ideally too) in how to use great swords typically received double pay that of another mercenary of equivalent rank
I blame Skyrim for tricking us all into thinking that weapons weigh more than a well-fed cat.
It's not just Skyrim. Fantasy media has been making weapons way too heavy for a long while.
The Atlantean sword in Conan was like 9lbs, even though a real sword of that length should have weighed about 3 at most.
My cat is like 8KG, 4 X heavier than a steel great sword?!?!
@@jeeweewee Yup.
Skyrim? The Elder Scrolls was always like that.
Even all the way back in Arena a simple claymore weighted 14kg.
more like a medium sized kitten tbh
I never knew greatswords could be wielded that way! That is so cool!
the whole purpose of such large swords was to swing them around like a scythe cutting grass or how you use a polearm against multiple opponents. the problem was it took a fair amount of training to get the endurance needed to maintain the sweeping and you couldn't practice against another person with the steel ones because it was deadly
It's almost like 5-10lbs distributed across 5-ish feet of steel, balanced to pivot around the guard, is not actually that much weight to handle.
It's still a lot of weight and the long blade makes it more unwieldy. Thats why techniques are focused on using the momentum instead of fighting it
@@aegoter3932 buddy I know from experience that if you're used to physically lifting things on a regular basis, 7.5lbs is not a lot of weight. And I don't mean weightlifting, I just mean like, carrying things as part of your job or hobby. Not sure why you feel the need to be a contrarian about this.
@@Caseyuptobat I'm just trying to correct the misconception. Picking a greatsword up and carrying it around maybe be easy but swinging it around is another beast, especially when you have a long blade.
I have trained with greatswords. I know.
Not a lot of weight but a lot of inertia, it’s harder to change direction with a Greatsword than it is with anything less massive
More like 4-5 pounds
You can see he's going slower with the heavier sword but 3.3kg (7.25 lbs) is still lighter than most rifles and less than a gallon of milk. I've seen interviews with modern soldiers talking about going room by room clearing houses all day having to hold up a rifle that weighs 10 or 12 pounds (5 kg) with all their accessories and equipment attached. If a modern soldier can do that a middle ages soldier can wield a sword that weighs half as much.
On the astronomical chance that anyone with the inclination sees this
Remake this video with a jug of milk instead of the greatswords.
Love it and I agree with everything you said, however, some historical context into the diets and exercise routines of the medieval and modern soldier might interest you. Medieval soldiers (especially the professional, non-conscripts) would look like fucking twigs next to modern soldiers. Their diets were trash, made up mostly of grain or whatever pitiable plant was produced in their region, providing only enough protein to maintain a stringy, sinewy physique. These men would spend nearly all their time training focused on technique, tactics, and formations with little time spent dedicated to increasing total force production. The modern soldier, conversely (using the USA as a model), is juicing with test, HGH, and whatever other chemical they can get their hands on, eating 200g of protein per day, and focusing far more on absolute strength when training due to the relative loads light infantry need to carry. Even medieval chain and plate mail would have been like a bag of feathers compared to the 80+ pound rucks that most light infantrymen carry around today. Add onto that the fact that they aren't losing muscle marching 10 hours a day between battles, and you arrive at two VASTLY different physiques. That's all. Ted Talk over 😊
@@HoplibYour Ted Talk is wildly inaccurate, as like MAYBE 1% of modern infantrymen are using any type of performance enhancer, and certainly aren't eating 200g of protein a day nor likely even weight training regularly.
@@averywhitaker3513 Prepare to see someone swinging two jugs of milk a full arms length away.
@@averywhitaker3513I've seen you. I hear you.
I guess the best course of action would be letting him get tired?
Arrow
He can just...stop moving? You act like he's just gonna mindlessly swing for an hour.
@@jameji_phd I didnt ask in a condescending way, just a question
@@jameji_phd Well obviously he will keep swinging as long as those three attackers keep feinting attacks. Clown
the aim of montante is to keep the sword moving with as little energy used as possible.
Impressive. Wish I could wield a sword like this guy. Very smooth technique. The choice of music is cool, too. Very stirring and heroic. Like it.😎👍🏾
The speed with all that momentum is... terrifying, frankly.
Greatswords are just bludgeons that sacrifice _some_ raw power in exchange for more area of effect but are still powerful enough to be a danger beyond just cutting ability and I love that, lol.
Yeah even if they are lighter than people think it's still 2kg of steel moving at a high velocity and even if you only get hit with the end of it that can do a lot of damage even if it was just a blunt practice weapon.
@@LukasJampengood luck reversing the momentum tho. Just move in after the swing, theyre wide open
That redirect at the guy behind you was smooth AF, if your interested in trying something I've been working on, when you swing underhand, as the blade moves forward, lift the same sides foot and pivot with the force, the alt side and set you back to prior position, or used to aid your advance, think of it like riding the momentum, I'm still working on chaining all together and keeping control of it but it's added a lot to my movement speeds
Thanks, was pretty happy with it. Sounds like something I'm trying to incorporate as well. Cool!
I have lovely started referring to some of the movements it opens up to as ""animate mode" XD keep at it, live your content
*anime not animate
Do you guys train with traditional halberds too? Now there's a weapon that's heavy! A few sets with that and my arms definitely feel it. Well, for us it's the naginata, but same enough feeling I think!
Yeah, we do! These things are definitely a core workout! :)
Love this.
It's not just a style but it's a way to use its size.
When surrounded.
Kind of like how nunchucks I know me something you want to constantly keep in motion in a fight.
When you're surrounded and you have a weapon that's otherwise slow and cumbersome The swinging technique is basically how you can kind of keep your opponent guessing and hesitant.
It can be taxing on your stamina but also be less than on your stem as long as you stay in motion correctly
In my experience the thinner steel can sometimes be even easier to swing than thicker materials due to the reduced air resistance (this is the reason why I usually hold my shortsword with the guard horizontally)
Air resistance is a negligible factor for swords even the big ones unless you have terrible edge alignment.
@@KT-pv3kl in my sport edge alignment doesn't matter, hitting with the flat is even recommend as it reduces the risk of injury. We don't even wear protective equipment in a lot of cases
This is a perfect showcase of what the Greatsword was, the ideal area denial tool.
Spears are better
And cheaper
And longer
And easier to use
And are good in formation
And can be used for hunting
And used on horseback
And can be used as battlefield fortifications
And can be used behind walls
And can be used with shields
But aside from that, yeah the best
@@karlkoskie2891😂
@@karlkoskie2891Of course. That’s why no other weapons were ever used in war ever. The humble spear always won ever single fight in every single engagement, rendering all other weapons useless.
@@karlkoskie2891Sure the spear overall is better but the greatsword was a specialized weapon tasked with breaking up pike formations. This is something spears can't do. Armies would only have a few greatsword wielders and they were usually in the forlorn hope, small bands of soldiers tasked with suicide missions. The reason you swing it in a large area while keeping it moving is to knock away pikes, then your regular soldiers could follow up with the attack.
Dark souls has gaslit the world into thinking great swords are impossible to use practically.
It started way before that. All those Hollywood movies that make even regular one handed longswords look like they weigh a ton.
Monster Hunter too. Swaxe in sword mode is more comparable to real greatswords tho.
It has ultra great swords that weigh 20-30 "pounds"
@@tesladrew2608 true I could imagine someone having some trouble with that.
I've never played, but don't they have like 100 lb greatswords in that game.
I won’t lie. Seeing someone swing that greatsword around so casually and easily made my guy brain go happy
Tbh, its looks like it becomes more fluid and graceful when he uses the steel swords, the foam and nylon looks like they're more cumbersome and would be more useful as a heavy blunt object. Maybe because its due to the fact sharpened metal cuts through the air easier makes it look faster despite being slightly heavier.
"Just stand back for about 30 seconds, he'll tire himself out dancing."
Well the smart ones dont do it until youre close enough to get whacked obviously
@@leviqueen1504 The smart ones don't get into 3v1 in the first place. I don't care what sword he has, this dude is dead lol
@@Kosh800 i like how you presume people only get attacked whole ready for it
@@Kosh800 Eh. It depends. Largely the job of greatswords in Europe was to act as shock troops against pikes and other polearms. but more commonly as elite guards. Their job would be to fend off the attackers until help can arrive or whatever they are protecting can get to safety.
@@dragon12234 I'm not saying they weren't well armed, armored, or trained. I'm just saying, if there's that many people with even a little training against any single person, they're fucked. And that's true for every person in a situation like that. For example, let's get 3 well trained, armed, and armored house guards against 20 armed peasants. Who wins? Numbers do eventually count for something.
The fact that its 2024 and people STILL haven't grasped the concept of "leverage" is staggering.
Can you please elaborate how leverage is helping you to not be cumbersome and slow with a large weapon?
@@rue4585You wont. Their comment was just an empty comment for likes.
@@rue4585 Did you even watch the video? I can't explain it any more eloquently then they did physically with their bodies. If you use the twin optical receptors located in the front of your skull, the answer will become apparent.
Whats more amazing is that they cant understand endurance. Great display, but note how every iteration is only a couple seconds. Thats because all he can do with it is the scripted gambit of a few swings and then hes done, because all hes doing is following the momentum of the first swing. It eventually plays out and then anyone who stayed out of the way for 3 secs, can have their way with him.
What does the year have to do with it? I guarantee you if you hand anyone a long heavy thing, thought history, they'll figure out leverage pretty quickly
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You would get tired way faster than the surrounding group and eventually slow down enough to where they can find openings, good if you’re waiting on backup though
Yeah. Also, we do this scenario as a competitive sparring match regularly and it almost never lasts more than 30 seconds. Usually somebody makes a mistake that compounds into either side getting taken out completely
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@@asellandrofacchio7263 buddy I doubt you even own a sword, how about you read the reply from the guy who literally tested it. ^^^
Those 3 lads weren't even trying. You miss once and it's game over.
I wouldn't want to approach a dude "randomly" spinning a greatsword either. They have to close the distance and getting hit by the greatsword is a game over as well.
Quite likely game over for both.
You need to account for armor too
- you cannot just say , well i touched him once with the 1 hand sword and he's dead , no he is not , you probably hit the plate for no damage
- to win vs a knight in armor you have to either damage the plate mail or hit a gap ... while a 2 meter sword can at any time chop your limbs off
- you will have a very hard time dodging it and there is no retreat if you fail to dodge
@@keyboardking8008 no, he misses once, you close the distance and do whatever you you want. 2 handed swords were ceremonial for a reason.
@@High_Lord_Of_Terra Lol. Ceremonial. Like everything.
Your sword swinging always looks so nice and smooth. Would it also work so well if you hit targets in between or is this maybe the part, where the cumbersumness could come into play? I really have no idea and was just wondering.
Thanks! The flows are smooth because I cut and thrust through certain nodes where you can easily change direction. Once you impact something, it's usually a good idea to draw back into one of those nodes, so you can continue the flow again
@@VirtualFechtschule Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks for the explaination!
So much skill and conditioning. Good thing those guys have swords and not long pointy sticks 😜!
Beautiful display of swordsmanship.
"It will keal!!"
- Doug Marcaida😂
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His name is Dagmar Kaida^^
One shieldman and he'd be done
It feels like a shield is the answer but you have to account for multiple things
- you shield is only on your LEFT while the 2h sword can rapidly swing around and come at you from the RIGHT
- and if you fail the parry then your hand is flying off
@@keyboardking8008 you have a sword on that side and if you can't block it entirely (even bracing the sword off the shield) you can deflect and walk into him. Any armor and it'd be a joke. This guy's dealing with three people not working together. All they'd have to do is work from one side and corner him. I fight in armor and spar light weapons. This is just a show off video and inaccurate for actual fights.
@@mikerouch416 the momentum from a swing of a 2h sword is powerfull , you will have to block that with the power of your wrist
- the concept is simple : walk in , parry the swing , hit a gap in the armor
- i think that in real life it doesn't play like that
@@keyboardking8008 not that powerful. A glaive hits way harder and same rule. Step to block/deflect and hit them at least once. They won't be able to recover for your follow up hits. Shield bashing/edge of striking would be enough. And if his weapon tip hits the ground he's done. Watch EMP SCA or battle of nations fights if you want to see what it plays out as. They've all gone down hill a little but it's better then this video.
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A man with a handful of rocks can defeat this guy. If he armored up? An arrow. One on one a greatsword isn't all that great. Three on one? Like you said, if they worked together, it'd be short work.
greatswords are easily my favorite sword type, they're very versatile and well rounded. It doesnt matter the range, they're a decent option.
Great swords aren't technically slow... until you have to unstick that sword from a soon to be corps or opponent incased in full armor.
If it hits a soft target, just pull the sword in a slicing motion and it won't be *that* major of a window of opportunity. If it's armored, the sword won't pen or get stuck in the armor anyway and will instead just "bonk" really, really hard at it with all the momentum, possibly causing some blunt damage to the target in the process.
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Meanwhile, there's a guy on youtube playing with his 60+ pound sword trying to become a real life Guts.
No, this isn't made up.
tbf if you got good enough with 60lbs you'd be dam good with the 2kg version, also could probably break through most shields easily w a 60 lb sword, or a door, or a human. most old English greatswords were made to bludgeon rather than cut.
@@ZeusEBoy It’s not quite correct to say that English Greatsword were made to bludgeon instead of cut. They were still made to be sharp, since a sharp edge focuses the kinetic energy into a much thinner point of impact, making it deadlier.
But since plate armor is a thing, Greatsword fighting was usually done by thrusting the swords at one another, aiming for disarms or knockdowns, then clubbing the opponent over the head with the crossguard. This move was called a murder strike. Blunt trauma to the head to bypass armor by holding the sword by the blade and using it like a hammer.
seeing the greatsword helicopter around like that made me really appreciate why you need armor when fighting with one of these things.
wait its really only 2kg?
i know swords are always way lighter than people think, but i figured a greatsword with good leverage is still probably like 5kg.
Nope. 2-4kg is a good range to be thinking about.
Over at Björn Rüthers Channel you can see experiments with a much heavier sword. 12gk iirc
But Björn is a huge dude.
Osker btw is not small. He is at least reagular sized and has an impressive core.
@@Narguhl Yeah, Björns twohander is something else. I remember it being around 6-7kg. It's well balanced though, so eminently wieldable if you're really tall. The original German style battle swords that I handled were a bit more to my size and ended up being in the 2-4.5 kg range. The ones with battle damage on them actually felt really quite well balanced. :)
@@VirtualFechtschulewhere have you been able to handle real ones from history? Post a video of that, I'd watch it!
@@presarioman Dutch Military Museum has a lot of original ones. I will probably be able to show something of that in the future. :)
PSA don't turn your back to your opponent. SMDH
How exactly are you gonna manage that when you have three dudes surrounding you lol
@@JCTheSniper15 easy, they triple penetrate you from the front and sides; you're laying on your back. 👌
@JCTheSniper15 npcs though
This is the most practical thing I’ve ever seen.
Very impressive, and brings Helms Deep flashbacks when the Berserkers attack the Wall.
This man's home is full of broken lamps. A true sign of training.
Hahahaha. I'm no longer allowed to train with full length weapons indoors though. XD
Great footwork and posture!! Good flow and momentum too.
People forget how important skill and technique are when using weapons. Physical stamina & mental indurance is critical when using weapons or fighting. It's not just about strength.
I get the feeling that after 5 swings of one of those, I would already be tired.
To be fair a normal person doesn't train regularly with it. Do this for half a year to a year and you'll be able to swing it around for longer than you'd expect. Especially with proper technique as once it moves all you do is redirecting the momentum and rarely stopping and start swinging again.
Every time the tip pauses an opening is created.
Was waiting for that "Big Goron sword" ending 😭
One of my biggest pet peeves in movies and "realistic" fighting games is when swords are super slow and heavy. Good to see your video since most people apparently dont know the average steel longsword or greatsword is only 4-6 pounds
I love how the whole defensive aspect of the greatsword is pretty much “do you want to get close to a living blender?”
People have such a massive misunderstanding of weapons, this was the idea gtf away from me sword of doom. 😊
Longsword and shortsword will both dominate those arcing swings bubs
Every time I see a "boffer" type sword like that 2 hander it makes me smile. I know I'll never get any official recognition for it but I was the first person to make it passable by Dagorhir/Belegarth rules. But I don't need recognition for it. I'm just happy seeing it become more widely used and that I made an impact on a sport I love. ❤❤ Cross guards for everyone!
I cannot imagine swinging that around for a full battle
"Versus Siegfried"
"Once enslaved to the evil blade, he now seeks to end its cursed existence."
That's a cool dance routine.
Im glad that you show thst greatswords are not the big lumbering slegdehammer as shown in movies but precice and filigran weapons made for cutting not smacking like a mace❤
Well, they _can_ smack to an extent if you really want to, though.
I’m super impressed and there’s absolutely no way I could do any of that.
At the same time, relative to just about any other form of hand to hand combat I can think of, that’s slow, cumbersome, and not all that intimidating. A well timed 6 inch dagger strike would subvert most the effort. (Queue Dwight Schrute stare)
What I've learned here is that, not only are greatswords literally the same weight as my trainer longsword and CAN be used in an agile manner, but that doing so in an agile manner looks BADASS
Greatswords are peak weapon choice. I will not be convinced otherwise
I've looked at the movements in this video: arms, upper body, legs... Fighting with a Greatsword seems like the perfect full-body workout because you want to keep the blade in flow, moving.
Much like a workout with a Macebell.
Pretty much, yes. :)
The craftsmanship of a true period weapon, from weight to strength is absolutely Insane. We have forgotten. Would be terrifying to have a big boi carving his way through a field with a weapon he knows intimately.
Simply beautiful!
Pov: Someone got tired of enemies having full plate armour.
That's it! I'm gonna learn the Greatsword just because of this! Thank you!
That was quite a lot of wiggle there.
I think part of the issue is that they feel like they keep having to go bigger and bigger. Otherwise they’re worried there wont be enough hype, especially after endgame hype. But movies like Ant Man Quantumania just don’t work because Ant Man isn’t a main character. What they fail to realise is that starting straight off the bat with huge stakes and big changes isn’t engaging. The reason phase 1 worked is because characters were built from the ground up, with smaller-scale plots that weren’t all about the universe ending and time being deleted or whatever. Then these characters interweave and interact, and gradually the stakes get higher with the introduction of Thanos pretty early on compared to when he really gets involved. What they’ve tried to do is continue moving upwards without setting the grounds for the new characters, which ends up in the audience simply not having any reason to care about them. It’s probably part of the reason that GotG3 was actually decent.
For anyone wondering how that coverts to pounds:
2 kg = 4.41 lbs
2.8 kg = 6.17 lbs
3.3 kg = 7.28 lbs
Great job sir! Your movements are very graceful 🗡️
McLovin finally learned how to properly cosplay!
I think Star Wars kid was actually trying to teach us some greatsword HEMA, flailing about with his stick all those years ago.
The darksouls game needs to investigate these guys.
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If I attempt this I would have multiple lacerations and require immediate medical attention.
Was expecting the sword to keep getting heavier and the guy to get more and more jacked
Me in Dark Souls admiring the newly picked up weapon Zweihander.
That is some crazy area control
Doing those movements repeatedly would be so fun!
Garen training to master his E ability ☕
This guy is objectively cool
Its all about directing the weight and length into the next movement. Even with heavier blades you can move the weight into a follow-up swing. Let the blade flow with your attacks instead of fighting against it. You and the blade work together in tandem to compliment each others movements.