They Killed ROOF SOLAR with NET METERING, Don't get in this trap Real Source Info Government Website
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This is what I concluded, it’s better to get a battery storage system and have a transfer switch so you can operate completely independently of the utility provider and just cut them out of the equation completely.
That's one way of doing it there is a little problem with the transfer switch is that if you have too much consumption and your inverter cannot handle it it will literally drop you and it will not switch
@@TheCrazyRomanian I saw a video several years ago where a guy in Georgia made a small off grid system where he had a 2 position contactor that fed from the inverter during energized state, and from the utility in normal state. The coil was powered by the inverter so that the power would transfer seamlessly to the utility if the inverter power failed.
A problem with home battery storage and your calculations is that the batteries have a lifespan that is less than the panels; as they age, they will be either augmented with more modules, or replaced. The TCO is harder to compare wtih a non-battery system because of the amortization of the storage. When the system is "paid off", you batteries may be near EOL, or halfway; it's hard to gauge this when building a system, because battery storage life varies so much depending on so many variable: how large a bank (directly related to how low/high the SOC is on average, or depth of cycle, or number of cycles), chemistry (relates to number of cycles before EOL) and what kind of a bargain you can get on the batteries (correlates to initial cost AND to TCO).
Home battery storage hasn't made economic sense for most people, unless their grid power is unreliable and they need reliability -- many people can live without power easily for a few days, others have CPAP, O2 concentrators, etc. that can't be left unpowered even for a single day.
But as your numbers show, some private utilities are really making the case for home battery storage, even though the system's TCO will be higher than a system installed in 2016.
He has slowly batteries are going to be integrated into the system and more people put batteries the more expensive we'll get for everybody else to buy electricity so the price will become even better and more affordable to put batteries and it'll be a vicious cycle if this electrical companies don't get into the game with the right heart
Better idea - use the power rather than feeding it back. Have a battery system to soak it when you're not using it, and to deliver it when you are (usually when you're not producing)
just use the electricity for crypto mining with asic's and make yourself a better profit then what they would pay you [create an automation when battery is at 80-% to turn on the asic's and when battery is like 20% to turn them off with like a smart plug ezz]
That's another way of making money
Yeah I got batteries , the only way to go ..
This is similar to the rates I'm getting now except I don't have the big meter fee. It still works because I have many buildings on the same bill. Well, I'm paying around .13 per kwh, and getting back .02 something. If my base load wasn't so high, my system wouldn't be worth it. As it stands, I'm still lowering my bill $180-300 per month. No way that works if I financed and paid someone else to do install, design, and electrical.
Quick and dirty trick for those with electric hot water and grid tied solar.... run a timer to have your water heater run during daylight hours and get that water very hot, then use a mixing valve to bring it back to safe temps. There are more accurate ways to do that, but it's very cheap and works very well on average. On cloudy days you'll be heating water during *daylight hours* and using the grid... which is basically what you'd be doing before solar. No biggie. On average, you'll be heating water when you're making solar power. Before this mod, the water heater mostly ran at night after bathing and dishes and such... It would cost a fortune to do that off of battery.... maybe doable with a heat pump water heater but still $1500 to get going on that.
Well under two hundred dollar investment for me and less than a days work, and I see $35 a month savings on a single 60 gallon tank.
Spoken like a man that knows a few things .. I love these kinds of comments .. problem is that we live in an stupid world where most of the people don't know what you are talking about . I'm converting to an electric heater soon also, making my dryer electric and converting my kitchen to induction
It's not greed. It's to discourage energy independence.
Trust me it's greed, shareholders need their checks , their fiduciary duties are to their shareholders...
I just want to point out one hard truth: Electricity generated is only worth $0.04c. The rest of the cost is in the indistribution. When you pay $0.20 - the generators are only getting $0.04, and the the rest goes to looking about the transmission and distribution. The highest prices on infeed were only temprorary because they could help save on transmission/distribution load. But no generator anywhere is making $0.10c.
100% true and I have no complaint about that they have a business around and those are the numbers My point was that if you're buying solar and you think that you're getting your money back for it by selling them power at $0.20 well you're not
Well its then time to buy (or DIY) some huge powerbanks and get off the grid :D
The future is going to go that way with the price of the batteries keep coming down
For me, in europe i have made few simulation online, and at the current prices even i will sell all the energy and utilize 0 i will have money back in ~16 years...If no hail, storm, or energy prices are changing meantime 😂 Succes si multa bafta!
Interesting!
Hello thank you for your video I saw one you produced 5 years ago about zero exporting inverters. Here's what happened 48 solar panels 300 W each open circuit 440 volts I have an ABB 5000 watt grid-tie inverter I hooked up and fed my needs and the grid without any contracts first month I ended up paying the electric company $400 instead of $200 I have a smart meter apparently it detected the access power and dilated up and charged me for it have you found any way to do grid tie inverters without exporting. Only ones I found are on Amazon and they're 2000 W each single clamp. I have three growatt inverters I do not like them
Those that you see on Amazon are the only options or these breerainz , there are only 650 Watts but you could stack them, each installs a little bit different, But they both work, these are the only options you have
@@TheCrazyRomanian thank you so much for getting back to me I've seen where they've used smart meters and monitor the power going in and out of the grid and anytime there's exporting it will close a contact redirecting some of the inverter power into something like a water heater to utilize every bit of the solar energy as opposed to just shutting the inverter on and off or throttling it down I've read about the Sun solar inverters on Amazon not doing 100% zero exporting say an AC unit shuts off now you've got nowhere to direct that power for a few seconds
You're lucky they pay you anything, plenty of places in the world you don't get anything. Does this mean solar is not worth having? NO. Use your own electricity as it's cheaper than the grid.
That's the conclusion I reached , you create the power , you store it and use it later
What is your production Cost (investments, maintenance, replacement parts)? With a good and efficient setup it could be as low as 5cents. Even without batteries it is worth it for your own consumption.
The problem is that the consumption usually happens after they come from work late at night when it's usually dark outside or at least in winter time is dark and most of the production is happening during the day when you're not home
Is,this for existing systems users also or new hookups?
For everybody unless you have a lifetime contact
They are about making money. As more EV's are made the more they will make and each year our prices go up.
It's nuts man .. absolutely nuts ..
Can you sell the extra power to your neighbors?
Neighbours always want free things. Better not go into business with them 🤔
@@TheCrazyRomanian No truer words have ever been spoken.
😂
California CPUC NEM 3 does the same thing to kill solar.
Absolutely , they have filled the desert with their own solar panels , why would they be green and buy yours ...haha it's capitalism at its best
You have to wire it separetly hear they put a hiuch tiket for conectic yo the network You have to go out of the gris thats the way
I'm not sure if I could understand half of the message that you wrote but I think you refer to the fact that you should have a separate connection and yes If you have a separate connection that would be nice
@@TheCrazyRomanian verry sorry for my speling ! And yes thats the point heare in Perú they put a Big tiket if You comect the solar or enythimg to the public wire
This is not Peru ... We have our freedoms
@@TheCrazyRomanian i know. enjoy it jajajaja. But belive it or not evrybody do enythimg heare perhaps the law verry caótico but beutifull at the same.time jajaja
They can try to stop us but there's always a way , keep up the good work man
Question, do you gave separate power meter for export? Because otherwise your explanation is a bit lacking, as you are missing our that even without batteries, between 20-40% of generated power in a residential solar system gets used without bring exported. Only after that, whatever is left for export gets credited to you at the rates you mentioned. And the excess production credit is only important if it can get counted towards static charges or paid out.
So instead of doubling the break even point, this (assuming jus a two way meter and not separate production one) will be closer to a 30 - 40 % increase, an this number can be improved, even without (chemical) batteries, with load shifting.
Yes, net metering schemes are getting less favorable around the world, but it is not nearly as bad as it seems on the surface, an is in my opinion getting more fair than it was.
And please, sort out your units, most of the video you were using kw when talking about kwh
That's not true .. every power company makes it mandatory to install a second meter , that's how they keep track otherwise they would not be able to track things. Also digital meters don't go backwards the numbers go forward regardless if you use power or you put power in the network ...
@@TheCrazyRomanian this is why i started my comment with a question for a separate power meter for pv export.
But yes, digital power meter are can be bidirectional and can count import and export separately. This is the usual way how it is done over here in Europe. So here, if I am producing 10kw, while consuming 5kw, the utility only sees(and credits me) for the 5kw I am exporting, and the 5kw I am using are not visible to the utility at all.
When building a zero export system (regardless of batteries), do you still need to inform/get permission from utilities, when the system is still grid tied (which when using hybrid inverters most of the time is)?
Not sure if they put a bidirectional sensor in it, just to give you an aidea , here in USA we have 220 coming in with 3 wires that provide 2 separate 110 lines in the house. If you have 100 watt usage on line 1 and 300 on line 2 , doesn't matter on what line you provide the power back thru the meter , as long as it's not more then 400 total , the meter doesn't count it .. even when you push 200 watts on both , or 400 thru one ...
Basically it's a war between the big corporations and diy , they wanna smoke money and they will do whatever they can to make that happen, that's why in the future I might have to change my system again to outsmart the meter .. hope that doesn't happen soon
@@TheCrazyRomanian I mean, if ct-s weren't directional by nature, we wouldn't be seeing all the mess ups with monitoring systems mirroring calculated consumption with production. And the reason why usually meters count up regardless of which way current is flowing, is to prevent people from occasionally running them in reverse to lower the monthly sum up. Meters we have of course also don't run in reverse but just keep separate always growing numbers for import and export.
Country?
USA
I seem to be being blocked from making comments on your channel. I'll try again:
You are likely confusing many viewers by, in many cases, using the term kilowatts (kw) when you mean kilowatt-hours (kw-hrs) and by, in many cases, using the term power when you mean energy.
Power is a time rate of energy consumption or production and is measured in watts (or kilowatts, megawatts etc.). It is, of course, NOT the same thing as energy. Energy is measured in watt-hours (or kilowatt-hours, megawatt-hours etc.).
You are wasting your breath with technicalities , the math is the same
@@TheCrazyRomanian That response indicates you're more ignorant than your spoken words would suggest. Good luck with your resistance to "technicalities".
Just chill brah .. you are the only one that gets bothered
@@TheCrazyRomanian It appears you also don't know the definition of "bothered" or "only" either.
From another viewer:
"And please, sort out your units, most of the video you were using kw when talking about kwh" (@kosiranze 3 days ago (edited))
Neither of us are "bothered". We're just trying to help you out and your ego can't handle the criticism. If you're okay with giving bad information to your viewers, that's on you "brah".
How long do you want to keep this up Just curious to see how much free time you got?
That sucks
Yep