This, Souvernir De Florence and Francesca Da Rimini are sheer murder for string players. Romeo & Juliet and Symphony 6 are cakewalks compared to Manfred.
This is arguably one of Tchaikovsky's supreme achievements, and also one of his most time-and-labour-consuming works. But it's unbelievably unpopular. Even Tchaikovsky himself argued that, if possible, he would like to destroyed the 2nd, the 3rd, and the 4th movement. Finally he changed his mind, but predicted that the symphony wouldn't be performed too frequently.
I don't understand him wanting to destroy the 2nd movement, it's so ethereal, colorful and whimsical. It nicely transitions to a gorgeous melody in the middle section that eventually has the 1st mvmt's main motif counterpointing it. The other 2 mvmts are good too. The fourth is a little over-the-top but that's how Peter rolls.
@@whocares_bearSí, creo que el scherzo es una maravilla, uno de sus mejores scherzos y eso que Tchaikovsky compuso muchos magníficos scherzos. En cambio siempre he creido que a partir de aquí la calidad de los dos restantes movimientos baja mucho. En el tercer movimiento hay poco característico de Tchaikovsky y en el cuarto aun menos (con el agravante de que es un movimieento muy largo). Resumiendo creo que los dos prieros movimientos son buenos (aunque melodicamente poco llamativos) pero los dos siguientes no. Creo que Tchaikovsky se sintió muy agotado conforme componía la obra, quizá la baja calidad de los últimos dos movimientos sea debido a eso.
@@whocares_bear If you are nine days away from death do you expect yourself to write good music? Tchiskovsky was extremely depressed, angry, and literally dying. Don't be so hard on him because his music isn't as good as you want it to be.
Absurd that this symphony is as unpopular and looked down upon as it is, by critics, audiences, and Tchaikovsky himself. This is without question one of his finest pieces, and alongside his last symphonies (4, 5 and 6) amongst the greatest ever in the symphonic literature.
I don't get why people hate this piece so much, *especially* the 4th movement. Is it a wild, chaotic ride that frequently surprises and jostles you around? Yes. And that's exactly what makes it great.
O wow! Thanks heaps for posting the score! One of my favourite works! Unfortunately, some tool (Yevgeny Svetlanov, I think) thought he could improve on Tchaikovsky by rewriting the ending! At the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra concert on Aug 19 2022, they played that alternative ending instead of the one Tchaikovsky composed! I've sent then a stinking letter over thus act of musical vandalism!
A wonderful work, full of rich orchestration and drama. Punctuated with a deftness of touch, particularly in the second movement, which typifies the genius of one of Russia’s greatest artists! Not played nearly enough in my opinion. ❤
The sixth symphony may be the first in history to end on a long slow movement, but this is the first symphony in history to end softly rather than loudly. edit 6 months later: I stand corrected
@@classicore22 hang on, after all these years have I finally found the piece I was told about where the players leave the stage a few at a time?? Finally!! Thank you.
It’s a wonderful symphony part of the first at the beginning sounds like a steam train starting this symphony should be included in the cycles of the Tchaikovsky symphony’s
Why was I never able to digest and crave this one? Being such a lover of Symphonies 4-6? Why do I keep thinking "Like a Wagner Overture"? Colorless, forgetful themes but beautiful texture & craftsmanship?
*Картина I. Манфред блуждает в Альпийских горах. Томимый роковыми вопросами бытия, терзаемый жгучей тоской безнадежности и памятью о преступном прошлом, он испытывает жестокие душевные муки. Глубоко проник Манфред в тайны магии и властительно сообщается с могущественными адскими силами, но ни они и ничто на свете не может дать ему забвения, которого одного он просит. Воспоминание о погибшей Астарте, некогда им страстно любимой, грызет и гложет его сердце и нет ни границ, ни конца беспредельному отчаянию Манфреда.* Сонатная экспозиция с кодой Вступление - 0:02 Главная партия - 6:04 Побочная партия - 8:39 Кода - 13:57 *Картина II. Альпийская фея является Манфреду в радуге из брызг водопада.* Сложная трехчастная форма с широким развитием Первая часть А - 16:09 Средняя часть С (Трио) - 19:02 Реприза А - 22:38 *Картина III. Картина простой, бедной, привольной жизни горных жителей.* Рондо свободное ABARB1CAK Рефрен А - 25:29 Эпизод В - 26:30 Рефрен А вар - 27:43 Разработка (переход) - 28:57 Эпизод B1 - 29:35 Эпизод С - 30:22 Рефрен А вар (2) - 33:46 Кода - 35:06 *Часть IV. Финал. Подземные чертоги Аримана. Адская оргия. Появление Манфреда среди вакханалии. Вызов и появление тени Астарты. Смерть и прощение Манфреда.* Свободная форма ARBK Часть А - 37:48 Часть В - 40:04 Разработка - 42:24 Кода - 52:41
I've listened to and played with this recording (I love to play along to sheet music) at least 3 times and I still don't understand the 4th movement. I don't hate it (I really like it) but it's just very confusing at a couple points.
Tchaikovsky tenía una opinión muy mala sobre el último movimiento. De hecho hay una diferencia marcada de calidad entre los movimientos I-II y el III-IV.
You forget how good the 1st movement really is...the 3rd too. I found the scherzo and finale to just not be up to par with those in his other late symphonies...
![Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky: Manfred Symphony, Op.58 [Audio + Score]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SM5qnkyl3ME/mqdefault.jpg)
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*Timecodes*
00:00 1. Lento lugubre
16:09 2. Vivace con spirito
25:29 3. Andante con moto
37:48 4. Allegro con fuoco
Therapist: Symphony 4.5 doesn't exist, it won't hurt you
Symphony 4.5:
Tchaikovsky may be one of the technically hardest composers for violins and violas to play, and this is his most string-murderous piece yet.
This, Souvernir De Florence and Francesca Da Rimini are sheer murder for string players. Romeo & Juliet and Symphony 6 are cakewalks compared to Manfred.
This is arguably one of Tchaikovsky's supreme achievements, and also one of his most time-and-labour-consuming works. But it's unbelievably unpopular. Even Tchaikovsky himself argued that, if possible, he would like to destroyed the 2nd, the 3rd, and the 4th movement. Finally he changed his mind, but predicted that the symphony wouldn't be performed too frequently.
I don't understand him wanting to destroy the 2nd movement, it's so ethereal, colorful and whimsical. It nicely transitions to a gorgeous melody in the middle section that eventually has the 1st mvmt's main motif counterpointing it. The other 2 mvmts are good too. The fourth is a little over-the-top but that's how Peter rolls.
@@whocares_bearSí, creo que el scherzo es una maravilla, uno de sus mejores scherzos y eso que Tchaikovsky compuso muchos magníficos scherzos. En cambio siempre he creido que a partir de aquí la calidad de los dos restantes movimientos baja mucho. En el tercer movimiento hay poco característico de Tchaikovsky y en el cuarto aun menos (con el agravante de que es un movimieento muy largo). Resumiendo creo que los dos prieros movimientos son buenos (aunque melodicamente poco llamativos) pero los dos siguientes no. Creo que Tchaikovsky se sintió muy agotado conforme componía la obra, quizá la baja calidad de los últimos dos movimientos sea debido a eso.
This symphony is too unpopular, but it is actually as good as the No.6
If not the best
我觉得比六交棒。曼弗雷德绝对是老柴交响作品的至尊！
Never cared for his 6th. Too much doom & gloom. Overdramatic, melodramatic, maudlin and the last movement is just "ugh!".
@@whocares_bear exactly.
@@whocares_bear If you are nine days away from death do you expect yourself to write good music? Tchiskovsky was extremely depressed, angry, and literally dying. Don't be so hard on him because his music isn't as good as you want it to be.
Absurd that this symphony is as unpopular and looked down upon as it is, by critics, audiences, and Tchaikovsky himself.
This is without question one of his finest pieces, and alongside his last symphonies (4, 5 and 6) amongst the greatest ever in the symphonic literature.
And probably one of the best Programmatic works of the 19th century as well, along with Symphonie Fantastique. 👍🏼🎶
@@Gregorius24
Absolutely!
Agree totally, Freakiefan.
Stunning piece of music, so creative and it seems to bring out the best of all these beautiful instruments
I don't get why people hate this piece so much, *especially* the 4th movement. Is it a wild, chaotic ride that frequently surprises and jostles you around? Yes. And that's exactly what makes it great.
Thank you for uploading this score, I think it's the best so far
5:16 First time I heard the strings more than 20 years ago, I couldn't believe that such cry for help was even possible though music alone
I'd be crying for help if I was in the violin section playing this symphony.
Thanks for uploading!
Goosebumps 19:00
O wow! Thanks heaps for posting the score!
One of my favourite works!
Unfortunately, some tool (Yevgeny Svetlanov, I think) thought he could improve on Tchaikovsky by rewriting the ending!
At the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra concert on Aug 19 2022, they played that alternative ending instead of the one Tchaikovsky composed!
I've sent then a stinking letter over thus act of musical vandalism!
A wonderful work, full of rich orchestration and drama. Punctuated with a deftness of touch, particularly in the second movement, which typifies the genius of one of Russia’s greatest artists! Not played nearly enough in my opinion. ❤
The sixth symphony may be the first in history to end on a long slow movement, but this is the first symphony in history to end softly rather than loudly.
edit 6 months later: I stand corrected
Some of Haydn's end softly.
@@classicore22 really? Do you know which ones?
@@ShaunakDesaiPiano The Farewell Symphony, in F-sharp minor
@@classicore22 hang on, after all these years have I finally found the piece I was told about where the players leave the stage a few at a time?? Finally!! Thank you.
@@ShaunakDesaiPiano No problem!
53:30 Now THAT is how you write a build up to a climax!
It’s a wonderful symphony part of the first at the beginning sounds like a steam train starting this symphony should be included in the cycles of the Tchaikovsky symphony’s
55:43 "Dies irae"-motive in the deep instruments = Manfred's death...
Good lord the poor flute players in the second movement
Poor entire reed section*
Tchaikovsky always wrote impossibly difficult flute parts.
@@FreakieFan so much fun to play though! I’m always excited if we are playing tchaik for that reason
All the parts of the second movement are VERY difficult...
Why was I never able to digest and crave this one? Being such a lover of Symphonies 4-6? Why do I keep thinking "Like a Wagner Overture"? Colorless, forgetful themes but beautiful texture & craftsmanship?
Skaista mūzika,diemžēl pārāk reti spēlēta!Aija
*Картина I. Манфред блуждает в Альпийских горах. Томимый роковыми вопросами бытия, терзаемый жгучей тоской безнадежности и памятью о преступном прошлом, он испытывает жестокие душевные муки. Глубоко проник Манфред в тайны магии и властительно сообщается с могущественными адскими силами, но ни они и ничто на свете не может дать ему забвения, которого одного он просит. Воспоминание о погибшей Астарте, некогда им страстно любимой, грызет и гложет его сердце и нет ни границ, ни конца беспредельному отчаянию Манфреда.*
Сонатная экспозиция с кодой
Вступление - 0:02
Главная партия - 6:04
Побочная партия - 8:39
Кода - 13:57
*Картина II. Альпийская фея является Манфреду в радуге из брызг водопада.*
Сложная трехчастная форма с широким развитием
Первая часть А - 16:09
Средняя часть С (Трио) - 19:02
Реприза А - 22:38
*Картина III. Картина простой, бедной, привольной жизни горных жителей.*
Рондо свободное ABARB1CAK
Рефрен А - 25:29
Эпизод В - 26:30
Рефрен А вар - 27:43
Разработка (переход) - 28:57
Эпизод B1 - 29:35
Эпизод С - 30:22
Рефрен А вар (2) - 33:46
Кода - 35:06
*Часть IV. Финал. Подземные чертоги Аримана. Адская оргия. Появление Манфреда среди вакханалии. Вызов и появление тени Астарты. Смерть и прощение Манфреда.*
Свободная форма ARBK
Часть А - 37:48
Часть В - 40:04
Разработка - 42:24
Кода - 52:41
I've listened to and played with this recording (I love to play along to sheet music) at least 3 times and I still don't understand the 4th movement. I don't hate it (I really like it) but it's just very confusing at a couple points.
Sí, el cuarto movimiento es el más problemático. Además es el más largo.
It is definitely problematic in spots... If he ever got a chance to revise it, I think it would have panned out a bit better.
Tchaikovsky tenía una opinión muy mala sobre el último movimiento. De hecho hay una diferencia marcada de calidad entre los movimientos I-II y el III-IV.
40:04 Best moment
You forget how good the 1st movement really is...the 3rd too. I found the scherzo and finale to just not be up to par with those in his other late symphonies...
42:24 💔
It would be great if you could do Prokofiev’s Cinderella Suites 2 and 3 sometime?
I'll try and find a score! 😄
@@AltoClef Thanks
13:57
yup
Great symphony but cuts in Finale are still probably advisable
53.30. steam train bit..
8:39
45:42
53:38 Climax
長い曲だなあ
It's a symphony.
5:00
46:51