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Reliable Data Storage on the Cheap!
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
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"Intel brings DDR4 to the mainstream"
god feels like I just stepped into a time machine
Don’t remember it being that recent holy shit
Ya man..
I was going to comment the same thing
*laughs in i7 4790 from 2013, though its still pretty good
existed on X99 for a while before though. The first "consumer" CPU on that platform was the 5820K
Linus you guys should do a scrap yard war and see who can build the best nas or server on a budget.
Why didn't this happen such a good idea
@@ConfidentGrips it is a good idea
I built one for £20
I feel like that isn't as impressive as a gaming pc though i.e. less views because seeing games and benchmarks is cooler and more eye candy than seeing videos encode afap or moving files back and forth and back and forth and ba
@@lexty3315 how, what specs etc.? How does it work?
"Reliable data storage!"
_Next video_ "All of our data is gone!"
there goes the porn
*S H I E T*
Actually they did make a video "All of our data gone!"
which was a month before this video......
this comment aged very well.
Could you do a UPDATE 2018-2019 on this ??
Nothing has changed. Spend a little time learning Linux basics and you'll have a NAS and much more. External hotswap is nice, but for a personal setup, that's not even necessary.
Odroid H2 with Openmediavault services as basic NAS.
Yep.. Agreed! Want a refresh for 2019-2020.
As was said, nothing has really changed. If anything, you can do it even cheaper now since those same components are even older now.
Check out JDMWAAAT on youtube - he has great guides for all budgets on nas/server builds
I want to store pictures and videos, follow Linus video, bought and set up a NAS, all working great, parents connected to it, saw all the Furry hentai pics and MLP Klippyty Klop Adventures extreme rated, grandma fainted, parents now pay for counseling - 10/10 I recommend this video.
+Royal - RIFLES :v fury :v :v nice collection :v
+Damian Chiliński
Or you just create a huge Truecrypt/Veracrypt container, which is probably safer.
+Damian Chiliński
>Talks about securing NAS
>Use password with SSH
>kek
Implement keys, no root login and fail2ban or gtfo.
+Damian Chiliński Indeed, that's why you should implement fail2ban. It won't stop the constant flow of attempts but it will put an end to repeated tries.
+Royal - RIFLES - Swift and Bold advice there mate..
Thank you so much for making this! I've been slowly picking up parts over the past month to do just this! This confirms that my idea was worth it's salt!
Dealin' with it. I've been so out of the Personal Computer stuff for so long, seeing your Server upgrade/install/mishap videos has been a breathe of fresh air! I can totally relate to it!
This is one of my favorite videos that's ever been on this channel. I've been struggling with this problem for over a decade and I finally broke down over the last year or two and bought some outstanding Synology NAS units. They've been great but the price is fairly outrageous. My latest idea was to try my current Norco 4020 chassis with a Highpoint card for both Storage Spaces and unRAID to no avail. The card doesn't show the drives no matter what I do due to the HBA problem Linus explained. I'm going to try some other cards I have laying around so we'll see what happens but it's good to know I'm heading in the right direction and figured just about all of this video out myself beforehand.
Videos like this are exactly what I look forward to. Practical, interesting and affordable solutions. Thanks Linus!
excellent tips for us wannabe-techies. Now please make a video on how to actually set this up, cause I have no clue (and I'm most likely not alone).
+Wistbacka Same here. WTF is a HBA? And I consider myself a fairly advanced computer builder - I've got a few builds under my belt, I've taught myself how to use *nix.
+exodiathecoolone It was said in the video: Host Bus Adapter
+exodiathecoolone : Does Google (or any other search engine) not exist for you?
Michael Rechtien
I fucking knew that someone would mention this...
+exodiathecoolone well why did you not use google if you knew it?
Your videos provide so much value, that I'm letting the long video ad play while I type this. I appreciate all you guys teach us!
This is the reason I watch you guys for videos like this! Keep up the good work!
So, I should store my hardrives in an awesome tower array like you have done in the intro to keep them safe.
That's the only thing I do with my drives. Gravity be darned.
No storage is reliable when Linus is around
***** Not even the floppy
love the server stuff you put up on the channel !
you guys grind out such good content all the time! great video cheers.
Linus, have you ordered that Fire pole yet? :D
+Amusix
no, it would be a fire hazard.
+mucks less like fire hazard and more like a FUN HAZARD!
Is a Fire Tablet good enough?
+OLBastholm well my friend looks up "realistic" fireplaces on Fire tablets and calls it his mixtape...
Sounds like something you'd buy at a strip club stage prop supplier
Those rackmounts are loud as fuck. I would not use that as a NAS in a normal home. :')
+SvenOkonomi Not really, get a larger one (4u) and you can put decent fans in them. The issue only really comes up when it's a 1u or 2u case because the fans are tiny, thus loud.
I built a 6 drive system with enterprise drives cooled by 1 fan. Passively cooled CPU, mini itx case. It can be done.
John Smith Thats what im getting at, Linus is suggesting 2U, and those PSU fans are usually unbelievably loud and obnoxious. And not sure if id want to waste the closet space on a 4U for just a diskbox though. ;)
***** Im quite interested in a quiet and compact solution (thats the holy grail isnt it.). Do you have a buildlog or atleast a parts list of your mini? Whats it capable of? Purely cloudstorage, or can it swing some menial tasks as well?
SvenOkonomi Ah sorry. Depends what you're after really. I have a rack anyway so getting a 4u case and building it out as a NAS was a no brainer for me but I can see that for many people this will be over the top.
I'm loving these server grade videos. Keep it up!!!!
I really love you in a spiritual way. Been following you for years and am very proud of you and your journey. 👍💜
I just finished building my own storage server about two weeks ago. I'm using a Supermicro X11 motherboard that has 8 SATA ports for good expansion along with a Pentium G4400 Skylake CPU and some ECC DDR4 RAM. Standard ATX mid tower and 80+ Gold PSU. Running CentOS with ZFS and the whole package with a boot SSD (minus the data drives) was under $500. I won't need to fuss with HBAs or SAS cables (though I did look through some of that when considering the build). I'm paying a bit of a premium for the server-grade components - I bet you could get the price under $400 easy by going with normal desktop stuff. It also gives me awesome flexibility for running whatever CIFS/NFS/iSCSI/etc protocols and anything else you can think of with a fully-featured OS.
I guess it just depends on what you're going for.
"You can trust honest Hank..." I loved it :)
I always stay till the end cause i love seeing your outro
Interesting video. I went with an external 4-drive unit with hardware-based RAID attached to a lower-end box. It has worked great for years.
7:55 "I want to be American today" *redirects you to an online gun shop
im gay
gg
+Gladius Savage
+Gladius At least no data has been lost yet, unlike Hardware Canucks.
shots fired lol
+Xenocide PC
Well... I hate to say that but he should see it coming from a lightyear with that Rade 0 ssd solution that he used :-(
PS: love his work ;-)
Excellent video!!! Exactly the solution I needed at home. Using an old i7 setup I already had, my only expense was UNRAID for 60 bucks. It only uses 59 watts total I and can just add another hard drive as needed. Thanks!
I like your network videos. keep 'em going :)
>reliable storage
>cheap
hahahahaha oh my
+TheDrewSaga Floppies For The Win
Linux for servers and supercomputers is free.
#firepole
#linusoldtips
+Ethan Thai lol not true
well i still use my old atom-n270 with 320gb HDD as NAS, your hardwares are awesome
I appreciate all videos on the topic of servers. thanks man
+Alex A you shouldn't he has no idea what he is doing
This video told me nothing about how to get cheap drives? It still costs a crap ton to buy an array.
This is akin to making a video about how to build a powerful pc for cheap and telling the viewers to get a cheaper case with a built in power supply.
+Atashi Bosco That's because there is no secret to getting cheap drives :( Hard drives cost what they cost. Be happy there hasn't been a flood in Thailand recently :p
+Atashi Bosco Yeah and the title is *Reliable* data storage - aren't EOL second hand server components off ebay that have led a busy working life quite likely to fail? And Linus showed what a dying RAID card / HBA can do to your data some videos back...
+Atashi Bosco In all fairness HDD costs are at an alltime low when it comes to money/gb of storage.
And they're still dropping. In a couple of years HDD costs are the very least of anybodies concern I'd reckon.
+Atashi Bosco the typical weeb criticism
where i can find a cave big enought to carve my data on its surface so i can save it for atleast 10.000 year.
Great video! Thank you for the helpful tips and answers
Amazing vid. So much useful information! Thanks!
0:58 Linus throws hard drive
More details linus, i still feel a bit lost after watching this vid.
rocking the lsi 9211 card in my rig! it's a good card!
Thank you Linus, I needed this!
Dang! He got me... yea, I am a let's player that are in need of data storage for videos! D:
+STAMSITE ahaha
I'm more worried that he knew about my plan for monkeys to write Shakespear
A simple NAS doesn't use a lot of energy, which is not the case with a server.
That's why he mentioned the Core i3 build.
Thanks alot Linus, your video gave me the idea to use an old PC to set up a NAS.
And what HDD to buy!
Freaking awesome video!!! Thank you LTT!!!
The cheap qnap/synology is enough for 95% of people.. i have a 7 year old qnap and it is still serving me fine. i am only considering changing it because of age of the components. And in all those years running 24/7 year around it has saved me tons of money by only using a fraction of the power of a full size PC. Don't be fooled by this video you don't need this unless you are running video editing and that is your core business, and you especially don't need the headache of setting it up. Pro tip don't do a 3xraid5 set up in raid0.
+Jakob Engell Thanks. I think Linus dropped the ball on this one. I mean I still love his videos, but of his audience, how many are actually prosumers, or doing any kind of work that requires a solid network storage solution? I'm a hardware geek, it was Linus's videos that taught me how to build my first rig (thank you Linus!), but not even I would want to do what he suggests in this video. Not all NAS's run a proprietary file system and the NAS I do have now works just fine for video streaming. I wouldn't want to go to the trouble of flashing a RAID card just so I could store a few terabytes of movies and TV shows.
+Jakob Engell Agreed. The NAS's on sale these days (or...even 7 years ago) are perfectly fine, NO ONE wants an old power hungry rack mount server sitting in their, wherever you would put on in your house. That was the LAST thing I would look for when running a NAS. Linus didn't even mention the 6/8 port SATA Mini ITX motherboard from ZOTAC (I think it's ZOTAC anyways).
+Jakob Engell Also i must say i am a bit shocked that Linus would say that the Interface/GUI is horrible on the pre-made machines... isn;t it the other way around? i never had a problem with synology/qnap and i could always do what i wanted to do. Even if you have to root it or install your own OS on it, it would still be easier than to build your own from scratch. Also did LTT ever do an actual review of the actual NAS offerings there is, or are they just assuming its crap?
Jakob Engell
Linus has replied in the comments on this video a couple times that from his experience they are crap. However, I think the problem is that he's looking at it from a prosumer/professional point of view. How many of his audience are prosumers/professionals who would use this setup at home?
What about those of us who just connect a hard drive via ethernet to our routers and stream some video? Is that or a dedicated NAS box still crap?
i can stream 4K video from my 7 year old NAS, i cannot see any scenario a normal user would get into where an of the shelf NAS from today wouldn't be good enough. Sure i cannot start 2 streams at the same time, but who the hell needs that.
And for most people the throughput would be limited by the fact that they would most likely run it on WiFi.
so $500 + the cost of the HDD is "cheap" ? i wonder what "normal" or even "expensive" would be to you ?
Also if you can't remember what you stored where then just use a cataloging software like "Where is it"
You should look at enterprise gear then, used enterprise gear is considered the norm for a "decent" freenas build. Not cheap
+LinusTechTips I really love hearing you talk about server hardware. I'm working on getting my own file server up, so I find hearing your experiences very interesting.
Thanks for the tips! :D
My desktop PC has like 6 sata ports out of which only 2 are being utilized. I guess I can just pop in additional drives as my storage requirements increase.
Could you do an update for 2019-2020!
Linus keep doing network/server related videos! So much more interesting than showing us how many fps you can get out of a potato.
Great video. Love you guys.
What's cheap to linus $1000 Real world pls
Were you intending to place this into Tech Quickies perhaps? The format's about the same, and there isn't much info in it. Effectively: Go check EBay for a 2nd hand server and install something. That's literally the summary of your entire video ... minus the ads of course ;)
I'd at least have expected you actually show the installation procedure, do some tests and reviews. For extra bonus it might be a good idea to do some comparisons with the major NAS OSs possible instead of just dropping names. I'd have liked a comparison between say Unraid, FreeNAS and OMV. Perhaps throw one of these as off-the-shelf alternatives in for good measure (about similar price and more expandable than that single disk network docking station you have on the table there): www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14A-0070-00002&cm_re=QNAP-_-14A-0070-00002-_-Product and www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108681
And then "just for fun" why the hardware RAID card? Why not just use the normal LVM you get for free in your Unraid already, or for that matter any of those NAS-OSs, including the stuff in Synology/QNap? And then also, just for extra giggles, take a normal 2nd hand desktop and turn it into a NAS. Or compare different ways of combining the drives, e.g. FreeNAS comes standard with that ZFS file system you have in your server, and OMV allows for such ideas as MergerFS and SnapRAID as well as ZFS or normal hardware / LVM RAID setups. Or hang on, doesn't Unraid already come with BTRFS? At this time you could easily have set it to RAID 1, and lately they've actually got the RAID5-like functionality actually working too, so might be a replacement for ZFS's RAIDz.
At least then this might be something worth watching, even if only for a laugh. As it stands, this does seem as if you had a bad day and just couldn't be bothered.
I'm so confused. Great stuff - just need to bring it up to date!
I watch this channel pretty much solely for the server stuff!!!!! I cant get enough
That's going to be a pretty noisy solution compared to a cheap off the shelf NAS.
I am sorry I couldn't hear you---my NAS "server" fans are too loud....
Forget #firepole we need a #stripperpole lets get some dennis action up in LMG
More home NAS content. Love this.
Thank you LinusSponsoredTips !
Exactly the video I needed! But seriously, you can skip everything till 2:30 - just get to the point Linus instead of all the craptalk. Unfortunately, I have stopped completely watching a lot of your videos because of that.
Linus doing a video that's actually applicable to most consumers? Is this the real life?
+wsxgfhccr If not sarcasm, more like none
+wsxgfhccr most consumers? did you mean north american consumers?
+wsxgfhccr is this just fantasy?
+wsxgfhccr Most consumers? I'm a tinkerer too, I've got more computers than I need (desktop, two laptops and a tablet all on Win 10, and that's not counting what I've got running *nix), but still I wouldn't classify this as applying to most consumers. Even I want something cheap and easy to do and I was left scratching my head as to why Linus started talking about flashing a RAID card...your average consumer will need at best a NAS with a couple hard drives, maybe with a backup somewhere else but that's it. I wouldn't recommend repurposing an old computer for the average consumer.
exodiathecoolone I have built many computers and know a fair amount, but doing what Linus just explained I wont even think about doing, so how will most consumers do this I can't figure out..
glad to see more linus.
brooooo, i love you man, i learnt from you how to literaly live life :D
We should take the data and push it somewhere else!
For any home user this video has terrible advice, if you want a reliable NAS on the cheap, either get a prebuilt current generation NAS like Qnap or Synology, or build your own with a J2xxx based celeron motherboard and something like XPenology or Amahi. Old pc's are most likely not reliable themselves, and just having the shared drive option is not what makes a NAS convenient. There is also a reason that server based hardware is so cheap second hand: power to noise to performance ratio is terrible.
7:21 the Grizzly package icon... I need that as my background....
I totally agree about the unsatisfactory options for pre-built NASes. I ended up just building my own in a silverstone DS380 and installed freenas.
Put subtitles on and watch the start of the video hahahahha
i was the first like after 4 years..... wow
@@paulhoeksema7200 because that’s what hero’s do
Huh?
When?
ok done but I didn't see anything weird. maybe they changed something? what am I missing?
I got butt hurt when you said my Synology sucks... 😔
"Deal with it", I love your attitude.
Would love to see a build video of how you set everything up!
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The reason is porn.
Good to know :p
and piracy.
The size of all tablebases in chess up to seven-man is about 140 TB
Game ISOs, Full HD (30 gigs a pop) Movies, FLAC music, RAW photos aren't a joke though. Not to mention if you want to mirror your RAID.
+Chris Kolodynski It always is
***** What?
ending is enjoyable. i remember that bear too and the rest went up to my head
Hi Linus! Excellent job in all your videos. Have you installed a surveillance software using Uraid?
Or instead of unraid, you can dig into Linux, install bare Ubuntu Server and learn something (and use the Power Linux gives you)
+SuperManitu1 WHAT? dude unraid is running on linux.... " install bare Ubuntu Server and learn something (and use the Power Linux gives you)" yea maybe you should learn something?
emko333 What I meant was, that Unraid has a nice GUI that does everything for you, with a bare Server OS, you learn how to do it by yourself and lear about the underlying mechanisms
And with the Power of Linux, I meant that you are not limited to the Plugins they (or others) provide, but instead use all Software that is available on Linux, too.
For myself I custom built a NAS with Ubuntu Server, that has a better CPU than it would need, so now I use Shotcut and the Melt Server to offload my Video Rendering to that NAS. I have also a custom OpenVPN running on there.
+SuperManitu1 They dont have the time, they need their cheese
Yeah, for people that don't want to learn something or don't have the time, Unraid is totally fine :)
+SuperManitu1 Being a linux enthusiast myself. I can understand that mentality on a personal/home nas, However when your doing business, its nice to be able to call someone and see if they will take the punishment when you are a small biz, which is the mindset our lovely host has ;)
What do you think about cheap Rasp Pi Server? $35 + HD cost.
Compute limitation.
USB 2.0, duh. (480 Mbps? Well just use 4 then use RAID-10 for Gigabit Ethernet.) But a RaspPi Ethernet, I doubt it's even 1 Gigabit - I think it's 100 Mbps.
I like you server videos. Do you guys have windows Domain on your office?
Bought a WD My Cloud Mirror and i´m very happy with this thing. Plug in power and network and your good to go...
I expected more of this video. I still see no advantage of going through all this hot mess instead of just buying a $150-200 8-bay RAID box the size of a toaster, plugging it into my slightly bigger ITX main computer running Windows, and using one of the million available cross-platform alternatives for a stinking usual file transfer to have the storage available on all my other devices without exposing the aforementioned storage solution straight on a network for everyone to recognize it as such.
This video features a small-business solution that has useless/unnecessary features for 90% of the video viewers. #dealwithit
I've not seen an 8 bay Raid box for under $200
This is what I was looking for, and is probably what I'll do
I'd take a power efficient and feature rich QNAP NAS that works out of the box over a DIY desktop server any day.
+Gadget Addict Exactly. I have built MANY NAS's for business use (stripped down Linux + Webmin), but for home use QNAP can't be beat....great control panel, always being updated, AntiVirus, PLEX, etc, etc. Additionally, it's small and quiet, not like those cases Linus was showing.
If you are going to build your own, Something like www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811123173&cm_re=Case_Chenbro-_-11-123-173-_-Product for $136 is a MUCH better option (they are good cases, I've used quite a few of them). Throw in a Mini-ITX motherboard/CPU with 4 SATA www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157621&cm_re=mini_itx_cpu_combo-_-13-157-621-_-Product for $77, Ram and hard disks and you're done, install FreeNAS or whatever (I use thumb drives for the boot/OS on these). Now you have a MUCH nicer product than a taped/glued together, noisy, giant 2U server sucking power in your house, warranty on all items AND you spent less.
+Dennis Joslin FYI, if you want the OS reliability and featureset that QNAP and Synology offers, but with a DIY NAS setup, look up XPEnology.
+Dennis Joslin how is that processor mobo Combo for transcoding. Trying to build an efficient nas that will handle at least 3-5 streams of plex @ 1080p or 720p remote maybe even 1080p
+Gadget Addict The HP microserver seems to be a better and cheaper option then those QNAP / NAS brand box's
charlie brownau When on sale, I'd be tempted by the HP microserver yeah. But the QNAP boxes are actually pretty powerful and come with some decent software.
Good video thanks
Hi LTT. I'd really love to see an more resent follow up on this size of NAS builds.
So Linus doesn't trust the HBAs by some unkown brands, but he apparantly does trust LSI cards despite using custom firmware on them. Right...
The firmware is downloaded off the product page on LSI's website, so.........
+LinusTechTips Fair enough then. You only mentioned that you followed a forum post. You did not mention that the firmware was from LSI themselves.
I just use my dropbox of 1TB for photo and file storage
But it isn't Safe.
Replace cloud with "someone else's computer". Why would you choose cloud over local storage?
Party Waffel exactly what i wanted to say, ty
+Party Waffel my one argument for that is your house could go up in flames
+draconas rayne you could you something like iosafe then
Great video!
cool Linus looking forward to make my own NAS at home
You could just grab 2 8TB HDD's. One to store all your media and the other for backup.
+Kuddlesworth NA Till one of those badboys fail... I've had to rebuild 16TB configs, and it aint fun. Check Hardware Canucks, shit just happened to him.
+Kuddlesworth NA and you have a 100MB transfer speed for 8TB, no thank you!
+Kuddlesworth NA Wouldn't be a bad option for a lot of people!
+overclock1993 Because network is totally faster right ? lmao
+Tipichounet Go to ebay and buy a quad ports NIC about 30$ for both your server and workstation. You got 4GBs network. The power of PC is upgrade ability my friend.
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I understood nothing.
Do a setup tutorial for this. Totally interested.
Good, server advice. Yes!!!
I was watching on of your videos and my brother walked into the room and said "Is he a transgender? He sounds like girl."
I ALMOST CLUCKING DIED
really personally attacking people...who give a crap if he has a softer voice or what his orientation is. While I may not agree with the premise of this video it was put together with high quality and included information that WILL get you to the end-game this video promises. On the up-side if you were to complete this project to the end the fans would be so loud that you'd drown out your brothers voice.
And then there's me..watching this on my 4TB PC. I'm fine
Last year we bouth a system from Storinator and we are happy :)
@ 1:58,.. Thank You, Linus!!!
5:50 Who the hell has 47 tabs open???
Facebook, Instagram and twitter for those "Research purposes" ;D
+KeenX Agent 47 does.
+KeenX I routinely have 150+ tabs; works for me since I can jump into working on something earlier in the week. Also never found vanilla chrome's bookmarks sorting to be any good either. There's really not a performance hit/impact too- I stopped thinking about it after having firefox crash after 40 tabs of doing the same thing.
More chocked about the use of notepad without even going into the OS choice .....
I usually have 47 tabs minimum...
What? So, just source, build and install a file server because adding an extra HDD to your system was considered a pain?
+James Lamb The problem with that is most cases only fit 3 to 5 HDD. In most budget cases this is reduced since the drive bay also doubles as a SSD Bay. A nas/Server is grat because you cna put about 8 3,5 TB drives in there for a total of 28 TB of space for all your Video's and photo's. For content creators a server is a much better solution.
+James Lamb So when you lose a 3TB hard drive with full data will be a really hurt in the A lol.
+overclock1993 I do it this way: I had a 1 TB HD. Then it was too small. I replaced it with a 2 TB HD, which I replaced then with a 4 TB HD - but I always kept the old hard drives, which are a kind of backup. AND the newer files are backed up to an external WD NAS. ;-D
+overclock1993 Thats why were have Raid, BtrFs and XFS
+James Lamb With a DIY NAS, you get to use ZFS, you get to have a CPU good enough to transcode multiple 1080p Plex streams or even a 4k Plex stream, you get to run IRC servers, web servers, game servers, etc. You CAN do that with a desktop, but you wouldn't WANT to do that with a desktop.
A lot of you guys are missing the point.
The management software for Synology is super-intuitive. I love how easy they make it. This is one reason why I am leery of moving over to a regular computer.
Another good vid Linux, Have you considered doing one of your builds for a 4/8bay 'green power friendly' budget nas (and in typical linux fashion... overkill version?). I have a QNAP 4-12 and its useless if it gets over 80% full and read/wrtie speeds are cringeworthy.