Quite the hidden gem of a Jordan Peterson discussion. For it to be published nearly a year ago and only have 23k views is astonishing to me. I found it purely by accident when another discussion led by Dr. Blackwood with Dr. Peterson and Heather MacDonald showed up in my recommended videos yesterday (that was wonderful as well). I commend Dr. Blackwood on his skills in leading these discussions and wish him every success with his endeavors in starting Ralston College.
Jordan Peterson is a treasure. The passion and emotion he conveys when talking about deep truths found in the simplest of things that point to a transcendent... it's just pleasant to see. The humility it takes as a professor in the west to even admit that there is a transcendent and to stand behind that belief boldly is true courage. Pray for this dude.
I want to record my encouragement for the success of Ralston College. Keep moving forward. Our civilization desperately needs properly oriented educational institutions.
Just learned about Ralston College from this video at Dr. Peterson's channel. I wholeheartedly wish you to succeed and reignite the flame of academic passion! We all in academia need you! (I am a postdoc in physics) I hope I can join the institution with same Mission like yours in the future.
@@OjoRojo40 1) When you have order, you have hierarchy of values (that's the definition of order, don't mix order and dictature). As your personal freedom depends on the freedom of others, both can be guaranteed only by common respect of order (hierarchy of values). 2) When you have disorder, you have no common values, nothing protects you from the situation where someone else's freedom steps over yours just because nothing limits him in defining his freedom -> the extreme case in this situation is masters and slavery
@@zelesluk1 " When you have order, you have hierarchy of values (that's the definition of order, don't mix order and dictature)". What are this values? Who decide them? "As your personal freedom depends on the freedom of others, both can be guaranteed only by common respect of order (hierarchy of values)". Well that depends on your social position really. I think you'll agree with me that a poor person has way less personal freedom than a millionaire. The more power you have the less dependent you are on the other. " When you have disorder, you have no common values, nothing protects you from the situation where someone else's freedom steps over yours just because nothing limits him in defining his freedom -> the extreme case in this situation is masters and slavery". Agree, but I have never seen o social construction without order. Actually that's an oxymoron :p The question is how we establish the order right? Thanks!
Wow...after watching RUclips for 12 years of my life (starting when I was 11), this is my first RUclips comment ever. Absolutely amazing and inspiring from Dr. Peterson. I even love how he is dressed too! Wow, just SPEECHLESS, this is by far the best video of Jordan Peterson that I have ever seen!
I regret I did not discovered Jordan Peterson earlier. But good thing is I can introduce him to my young son so he can make most of his life in this diffucult environment for young heterosexual white men.
Dalibor Zak: fuck Jordan. . He’s going down a dead end. .unless you’re preparing to make your boy more comfortable in his future role as sanitation worker. He’s paying the way, giving doofuses some feeling some feeling of . . . Justification in their opposition to the left. Let’s hope someone not insane, and stupid, will take over from Jordan. . .i take that back, listening. . Moral relativism! Jordan is promoting a kind of future irony. .he’s promoting moral equivalency as far into the future as it is possible to do so. . . We don’t want your son to be violent after work (even if he should be).
Douglas Patey: How does group identity have greater merit? I’d love to hear this one explained, myself. I don’t believe it does. I think people tend to see themselves as individuals, while they see others as a stereotype. So, I mean, a fat guy sees himself as a person, he sees another guy as a big fat guy. Perhaps it’s important for an individual to develop a class consciousness? As for being a regular white guy, since group identity can never be of greater importance, it’s important to segregate oneself or just avoid other people.
i don't necessarily believe that those who get pushed to the top of the hierarchy are always the best equipped to lead. Often you see that later on down, a quieter or 'more agreeable' person who was overlooked initially actually has better insight/ability than those who were put at the top initially, but the ones at the top have more drive/narcissistic desire to be in charge or are just over self confident or other qualities/character traits which made them get to the top, and often those same character traits are the ones which make them reluctant to relinquish their power and are responsible for them succesfully resisting losing their power by external force, and i think that happens in the work place a lot of the time
I wouldn't say pushed to the top maybe encouraged to the top is the way i would put it. And i agree that they are highly motivated with the wrong reasons most of the time. Would you say our society has been led astray by media that continuously promotes extroverted and narcissistic types to the top of hierarchies thereby creating a stereotype of Confidence and intelligence = outspoken and highly confident? Im not saying that extroverted types are all bad, just that those who are at the top of most hierarchies tend to be extroverted and in most cases do a terrible job at being at the top. I hope im making sense
Ha ha ha. He is like finding a treasure. Want to share it with everybody but. I want to keep some for myself. He must be shared with the whole world. I hope that the world would listen to 2 or 3 hours of his interviews. It would bring about a profoundly different view by many. The uneducated need to hear him. Myself being on the lower end of educational achievements they are offered in United States. My lacking about higher education is totally my own doing. I'm 60 years old and never regretted not furthering my education until I started listening to Dr Peterson. In the past year my vocabulary and understanding the catalyst behind current events has increased a lot. I'm still very poor at articulating my thoughts but now I am thinking. I hope that many people will listen and learn. Jordan Peterson is a God send in a world of deception and chaos. I pray for his recovery and I thank God for finding his teachings.
Would love to share but too busy watching or listening and no two lectures are the same? I do save my favorite JP videos for future listening or sharing.
How have I not come across this particular interview for the last year? This is one of the best I’ve heard. So many of Jordan’s familiar ideas but in a comprehensive conversation with someone who understands these philosophies and is able to expound upon them. Outstanding.
Incredibly deep and insightful discussion. Thank God for blessing this world with JBP! I wish I had discovered him 20 years ago! His works should be mandatory in every Ethics and Values class in every college or university throughout the world. This man is a blessing to mankind!
You are feeding my hunger for true intellectual conversation. Ralston is clearly pushing the free speech objective forward and I hope others will see this too. I sincerely thank you for providing this content free of charge.
Personally, I have great respect for Dr. Peterson in pursuing these intellectual endeavours despite great personal family challenge. Kudos, Dr. Peterson. Whatever you might say next, has the utmost attention of many. My best wishes for Tammy's continued recovery, your family stability. and your return to a more active active intellectual role in the arena of those who find value and challenge in your musings.
I'm a little concerned that Mr. Peterson might be on the verge of having a nervous breakdown. Talk about lectures, books and knowledge factories is also far behind the times and out of touch with modern education potentials even for a liberal education as advocated by Robert M. Hutchins and Mortimer J. Adler many decades ago. H.G. Wells wrote about lectures and books in 1921 in chapter 7 of "Salvaging Civilization". I was strongly reminded of the definition of a game and its components in "The Fundamentals of Thought", Chapter 6: The Reason Why by L. Ron Hubbard www.freedommag.org/issue/201504-foia/what-is-scientology/life-as-a-game.html (ruclips.net/video/EHXkSMwafIM/видео.html) and Mr. Hubbard's written statement about the importance of individuality within a close-knit team of the Church of Scientology group known as the Sea Org. atlassociety.org/commentary/commentary-blog/4229-check-your-premises
HOW FORTUITOUS THAT HIS FIRST NAME IS JORDAN, THE VERY PLACE WHERE JESUS CHRIST WAS BAPTIZED AND STARTED PROCLAIMING THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND HIS LAST NAME MEANS THE SON OF PETER WHOM DENIED CHRIST THRICE.
The knowledge that Jordan is passing to us is described for me in this William Blake Poem: If there is a blessing known, pass it on, Let it travel down the years, Let it dry another's tears, Till in Heaven the deed appears, Pass it on
The modern day “Metaphysical Club.” I would love to see a panel that included these two and Dan Carlin (Hardcore History) that was based similarly on the discussion of the current zeitgeist, the role of technology in it, and the appropriate level/length/system of discourse that should be aimed for as it pertains to effective modern government.
I have watched nearly all of Jordan Peterson and that is no small feat. I must say I appreciate the President of the University, he is asking questions and then he allows Jordan to get the whole thought out before he talks again. It is a true skill to not speak when the situation calls for it. It’s as though he is actually paying attention to what he says. Good luck to this college and it’s sustained success!
I am grateful beyond belief to have been given the mental capacity to follow Jordan's line of thought, for it appears as though he is lost in translation when people fail miserably to infer the actual message his statements convey. I thank you, Jordan, for being a true ideal father figure, for me and many others. Humanity is fortunate to have you, most particularly in today's catastrophic climate, which consists of incels, sexually perplexed individuals, wars that are grounded in ethnicity and race, the assault on epistemology and metaphysics, and other degenerative phenomena that lead the people straight into the depths of hell rather than the house of God.
1:19:18 -- Coming to the fountain....Kahlil Gibran (a Lebanese philosopher-poet and a Maronite Christian, which is to say, a culturally eastern Christian of the Western rite) in "The Prophet": "You have given me my deeper thirsting after life. Surely there is no greater gift to a man than that which turns all his aims into parching lips and all life into a fountain. And in this lies my honour and my reward -- that whenever I come to the fountain to drink, I find the living water itself thirsty, and it drinks me while I drink it."
Thanks to this man we have been given so many gifts. Reason, responsibility, motivation,, appreciation, light, understanding, knowledge and wisdom. LIFE worth living. Sons of Peterson.
39:34. Blackwood: it is the PARTICULARITIES of experience which are our points of access to the infinite. JBP: The particularity is where the "pen meets the paper"
Stephen Good Luck with the college there is a real need for a place like the one I think your founding.Maybe you could talk to Dr.Larry Arnn of Hillsdale College.Thank You for this GREAT conversation with Jordan Peterson and I have Subscribed o your RUclips channel.
@@RalstonCollegeSavannah Thank you very much. I have been searching for it ever since you posted the video. I used many softwares with no result. And of course thank you so very much for creating and shearing this kind of content. Hopefully we see more of JP and Mr. Blackwood as soon as he recovers from his ordeal.
I don't see the benefit I'm smart enough to associate with intelligent people already I used to date a graduate of McGill I can associate with most any class appropriately I don't think wealthier more educated people are automatically better people. Lots of them are very rude actually.
If just half of the post-modernists/leftists would simply take the matter of Christianity (specifically) as a philosophy of how to live life and treat others (as it is actually taught in churches of today), the world would be a much better place.
@@chrisbarnette8863 well my thinking is that Jordan is speaking in the theological archetype but he can't be right because of what happens in the story. The Israelites are tested and struggle to survive in the wilderness after leaving Egypt. One of these trials is not having enough water. Moses having a close relationship with God is able to strike a rock with his staff and water pours from it. Following this Moses claims responsibility for this claiming he has this power. God is extremely displeased with this as the power came from GOD and worked THROUGH Moses. There's a serious lesson here. Moses had no power you see. It was god all along. Moses shows a grandiosity and narcsism to put himself in front of God instead of the appropriate worship and recognition of the truth
Thanks for you question sorry for the long answer. This is taken directly from Wikipedia- Moses holds out his staff and the Red Sea is parted by God. The Israelites walk on the dry ground and cross the sea, followed by the Egyptian army. Once the Israelites have safely crossed Moses lifts his arms again, the sea closes, and the Egyptians are drowned. You can see that it isn't Moses being the "Master of Water". Seems wrong to me.
♥ So perhaps the job of the intellectually "awake" .. . is to provide a supportive venues for those young people who's brains have not already been ideologued into oatmeal by the post-modern neo-Marxists of the post-seondary indoctrinational system
Beautiful discussion. Let me bring up one peculiarity I tend to see among those who tout the veracity and importance of the individual and individual freedoms (as I do). Why do so many who claim that individualism is of the utmost importance, very frequently wear the same garb and wear their hair the same way as the vast majority of others and have a generally low threshold for those who do not see fit to do the same. I understand the value of being formal vs informal or following social mores of this sort in a collectivist society, but it seem obviously hypocritical in any society that claims to hold the highest value for individualism and the freedom of each individual. This perspective is pervasive and has elitist undertones. We should move away from these 'cookie cutter' people approaches to professionalism in societies that claim to prize individualism. That said, this was a powerful and well articulated discussion. Also, the recurring theme of order and chaos Dr. Peterson mentions shares much with Zoroastrian teachings (and also other teaching such as Taoism, but other religious connections such as Taoism seem more obvious to most). Thank you for posting this! I had a tear in my eye toward the end. Very touching.
because there are no absolutes--hairstyles that are totally individual would probably look like shit. we do one of several styles because there are probably a finite amount of hairstyles that are aesthetically pleasing, manageable to wear for a day. Respecting the individual is important so that we can choose different styles of appearance or deviate at least from what our friends might do, to try (and probably fail) to come up with a brand new stylish hairstyle. it's also the belief that finding justice in a situation won't happen by considering what's good for the whole of society but that it will come when we acknowledge that no innocent man can go on being punished at society's hands. In the end, you do right by the collective putting the needs of the individual first-- a society that focuses on self improvement does not become more selfish than a collectivist society--if self improvement is actually reached, naturally learning cooperation will be part of that. In collective societies you get lots of paranoia of your fellow man, you get "tall poppy" syndrome and you get diffusion of responsibility will never forget walking through China and seeing a woman lying bleeding on a sidewalk, and watching how the locals just kept walking by, not even looking. Clearly the woman was in distress, she was not homeless or anything like that--that would not happen in America, just walking by someone in that condition. Because we know that that individual has value in themselves and they probably have a family, other individuals who would care. We would feel bad as individuals to leave another individual in that condition, we don't just throw up are hands and say "the authorities will take care of that"
a foundational requirement underlying the conception of free speech demands the existence of "sovereign individuals capable of generating independent thought"
This interchange of an interview is momentous where one experiences what it is to expound on the layers and connectivity of cognitive/ superlative thoughts that leads to wisdom with humility and implicitly, on one hand, from Jordan B. Peterson, and the exemplary listening skills and expansive questions for relevance in true education from Stephen Blackwood manifest a supreme goal and mankind's true desire to attain in the final analysis! Education has all along provided work with monetary sustenance and recognition for the 'educators' while its students objective/s are the highest remunerative jobs and recognition - not the obligation to become the pinnacle of oneself to be of service to mankind - thereby achieving the diviine purpose our Almighty Creator of whom we were made in His image and likeness! Hail to our Almighty God, in Jesus' Name! Amen! 🙏⭐️🌈❤️👏🏽
31:47 "It's bad enough to be down but it's worse to know you're down because you've put yourself down. And then you're faced with a choice. Do you turn against the ideal itself because it becomes to painful to gaze upon it, or do you destroy the ideal itself?"
A Canadian get-together. Dr. Blackwood with his Canadian background and Dr. Peterson as a full Canadian. Not sure I agree with this assessment of all the positive effects of the digital age. Not in the West and try asking someone in destitute Mali that.
Did you ever notice how Peterson never gets to a conclusive point? Have you ever heard of the word casuistry? If not, another word would be bullshit, or bullshit masquerading as reason.
The university offers “something better than everything else” is false. God is better than everything else. Wisdom and knowledge are certainly better than most else. Of course convincing and attractive lies are worse than most all else.
Stand up and hold your shoulders back! Haaaaah! Like as if his generation ever respected their sons! And now he asks? Why are my daughters not honoured?
14:30 ... it's not easy to distinguish between • care for the dispossessed and • hatred for those who occupy positions of ... authority [or] competence 15:04 Those are the two competing motivations. 15:29 Those who *hated* the competent slaughtered them.
The number of people at the bottom, with education and direction, can begin their own hierarchy of value and competency. They are not stuck unless under socialism where everything is the same. God gave each of us value and gifts within to add to the society of which we are live. We each have value.
Mr Blackwood, I’m leaving this comment here in the hopes it reaches you. I’ve been watching Dr a Peterson’s Exodus round table discussion and you have made such insightful points. If you’re not regularly putting out your own content you should be. Thanks as well for the Handel “Israel in Egypt” recommendation. Listening to the John Gardiner recording. 👏👏👏
11:39 Because we're social creatures, we have to solve the problems by organizing collectively, and the way we do that ... is to produce a hierarchy. 11:55 You're soon going to discover that some people are much better at solving the problem than others, and that will inevitably produce a hierarchy. 12:18 ... Now the *problem* with that is as soon as you produce a hierarchical organization, two things happen: • 12:24 A small minority of the people do almost all the creative work - that's the Pareto Principle • 12:29 The *benefits* of the hierarchy flow disproportionately to a small number of people at the top. The two competing motivations are care for the dispossessed and hatred for the competent
@@CBT5777 I _was_ speaking for myself. Presumably you are doing so as well. Oh wait, you mentioned "not in our opinion" in another post addressed to me. Yeah, numbnut.
This visualization is how Ive come to understand a metaphysical basis for objectivity and boundaries: I imagine the meeting of sand particles at the center of an hour glass or even 2 pyramids at their peaks. The hourglass represents Process, which is infinite; the narrow point represents Moment, which is finite, but each moment reverberates as reflections/divisions.The turning of the sand and the shape it takes creates time. The Figure 8 is Process' pattern, Moment is the shape Process takes at it's convergence point (the narrowest part of the hourglass). The energy is infinitely wide-spread at the outermost areas (like an hour glass that went on and on at each wing) but as it builds ''momentum' (time) it concentrates perfectly just like sand flowing together at the hour glass' narrow center. Moment holds the maximum energy concentration, thus creating Objective Priority. It is the original Point of View. The reverberations/reflections/divisions are the basis for memory /mimicry/a sense of past and imagining a future. I think living things emerge with this as their built-in operating system, and differentiate by eternal harmonics (such as Cymatics demonstrates) constantly playing complex musical scales, and I think these scales are the basis for our built-in language capability.
The only way for all the potential to emerge into a reality is for each potential to have it's turn as a focus and/or to have it's own locus of priority with which to respond, so time was the answer. The suffering and response of god was to set up this pressure cooker or grinder and see what popped out the other end, in a sense. I disagree with JP that we dont know someone's potential though. Because we cant have a sense of any potential if we have to past to base it on. I recently heard the ancient Vikings' sense of time was similar...they though of the past and present as being simultaneous.
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Quite the hidden gem of a Jordan Peterson discussion. For it to be published nearly a year ago and only have 23k views is astonishing to me. I found it purely by accident when another discussion led by Dr. Blackwood with Dr. Peterson and Heather MacDonald showed up in my recommended videos yesterday (that was wonderful as well). I commend Dr. Blackwood on his skills in leading these discussions and wish him every success with his endeavors in starting Ralston College.
It has 48k views now and 390k views on Peterson's channel so it's not that bad. Anyways lets hope that movement will grow faster and faster.
I am taking in all I can find of Jordan Peterson
Jordan Peterson is a treasure. The passion and emotion he conveys when talking about deep truths found in the simplest of things that point to a transcendent... it's just pleasant to see. The humility it takes as a professor in the west to even admit that there is a transcendent and to stand behind that belief boldly is true courage.
Pray for this dude.
Praying
I want to record my encouragement for the success of Ralston College. Keep moving forward. Our civilization desperately needs properly oriented educational institutions.
Hear, here!
Hear, Hear!
Just learned about Ralston College from this video at Dr. Peterson's channel. I wholeheartedly wish you to succeed and reignite the flame of academic passion! We all in academia need you! (I am a postdoc in physics)
I hope I can join the institution with same Mission like yours in the future.
As usual, a fine discourse with JP.
"Discipline is the precondition for Freedom"
"Order gives freedom, disorder creates slavery" - Charles Peguy
@@zelesluk1 But how? Are you for hierarchies and the dichotomy of Masters and Slaves?
thanks.
@@OjoRojo40 1) When you have order, you have hierarchy of values (that's the definition of order, don't mix order and dictature). As your personal freedom depends on the freedom of others, both can be guaranteed only by common respect of order (hierarchy of values).
2) When you have disorder, you have no common values, nothing protects you from the situation where someone else's freedom steps over yours just because nothing limits him in defining his freedom -> the extreme case in this situation is masters and slavery
Love the interviewer too, at times his excitement increased mine and the enjoyment of the session overall
@@zelesluk1
" When you have order, you have hierarchy of values (that's the definition of order, don't mix order and dictature)".
What are this values? Who decide them?
"As your personal freedom depends on the freedom of others, both can be guaranteed only by common respect of order (hierarchy of values)".
Well that depends on your social position really. I think you'll agree with me that a poor person has way less personal freedom than a millionaire. The more power you have the less dependent you are on the other.
" When you have disorder, you have no common values, nothing protects you from the situation where someone else's freedom steps over yours just because nothing limits him in defining his freedom -> the extreme case in this situation is masters and slavery".
Agree, but I have never seen o social construction without order. Actually that's an oxymoron :p
The question is how we establish the order right?
Thanks!
Wow...after watching RUclips for 12 years of my life (starting when I was 11), this is my first RUclips comment ever. Absolutely amazing and inspiring from Dr. Peterson. I even love how he is dressed too! Wow, just SPEECHLESS, this is by far the best video of Jordan Peterson that I have ever seen!
My only regret after viewing this is that I can only click 'like' once
I regret I did not discovered Jordan Peterson earlier. But good thing is I can introduce him to my young son so he can make most of his life in this diffucult environment for young heterosexual white men.
Dalibor Zak: fuck Jordan. . He’s going down a dead end. .unless you’re preparing to make your boy more comfortable in his future role as sanitation worker. He’s paying the way, giving doofuses some feeling some feeling of . . . Justification in their opposition to the left. Let’s hope someone not insane, and stupid, will take over from Jordan. . .i take that back, listening. . Moral relativism! Jordan is promoting a kind of future irony. .he’s promoting moral equivalency as far into the future as it is possible to do so. . . We don’t want your son to be violent after work (even if he should be).
dumbass
@@magicsinglez can you explain how group identity has more merit than individual identity? I would love top hear that
A stranger approached him and gave him a type of suicide note and he kept it, and actively remembered it too.
Douglas Patey: How does group identity have greater merit? I’d love to hear this one explained, myself. I don’t believe it does. I think people tend to see themselves as individuals, while they see others as a stereotype. So, I mean, a fat guy sees himself as a person, he sees another guy as a big fat guy. Perhaps it’s important for an individual to develop a class consciousness? As for being a regular white guy, since group identity can never be of greater importance, it’s important to segregate oneself or just avoid other people.
i don't necessarily believe that those who get pushed to the top of the hierarchy are always the best equipped to lead. Often you see that later on down, a quieter or 'more agreeable' person who was overlooked initially actually has better insight/ability than those who were put at the top initially, but the ones at the top have more drive/narcissistic desire to be in charge or are just over self confident or other qualities/character traits which made them get to the top, and often those same character traits are the ones which make them reluctant to relinquish their power and are responsible for them succesfully resisting losing their power by external force, and i think that happens in the work place a lot of the time
I wouldn't say pushed to the top maybe encouraged to the top is the way i would put it. And i agree that they are highly motivated with the wrong reasons most of the time.
Would you say our society has been led astray by media that continuously promotes extroverted and narcissistic types to the top of hierarchies thereby creating a stereotype of Confidence and intelligence = outspoken and highly confident?
Im not saying that extroverted types are all bad, just that those who are at the top of most hierarchies tend to be extroverted and in most cases do a terrible job at being at the top.
I hope im making sense
American politics is proof of that, bub.
TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY THROUGH, I ALREADY KNOW I AM GOING LISTEN TO IT A SECOND TIME.
Exactly
Does anyone else feel the desire to share Jordan with anyone who will listen and at the same time want to keep him all for yourself?
Ha ha ha. He is like finding a treasure. Want to share it with everybody but. I want to keep some for myself. He must be shared with the whole world. I hope that the world would listen to 2 or 3 hours of his interviews. It would bring about a profoundly different view by many. The uneducated need to hear him. Myself being on the lower end of educational achievements they are offered in United States. My lacking about higher education is totally my own doing. I'm 60 years old and never regretted not furthering my education until I started listening to Dr Peterson. In the past year my vocabulary and understanding the catalyst behind current events has increased a lot. I'm still very poor at articulating my thoughts but now I am thinking. I hope that many people will listen and learn. Jordan Peterson is a God send in a world of deception and chaos. I pray for his recovery and I thank God for finding his teachings.
Would love to share but too busy watching or listening and no two lectures are the same? I do save my favorite JP videos for future listening or sharing.
LIKE A SECRET WEAPON, I KNOW! But I end up just sharing, because of course, that's what he would want me to choose. 😆
Oh yeah…he is a prophet
How have I not come across this particular interview for the last year? This is one of the best I’ve heard. So many of Jordan’s familiar ideas but in a comprehensive conversation with someone who understands these philosophies and is able to expound upon them. Outstanding.
Incredibly deep and insightful discussion. Thank God for blessing this world with JBP! I wish I had discovered him 20 years ago! His works should be mandatory in every Ethics and Values class in every college or university throughout the world. This man is a blessing to mankind!
You are feeding my hunger for true intellectual conversation. Ralston is clearly pushing the free speech objective forward and I hope others will see this too. I sincerely thank you for providing this content free of charge.
Fantastic conversation. Very inspiring. Thank you.
Personally, I have great respect for Dr. Peterson in pursuing these intellectual endeavours despite great personal family challenge. Kudos, Dr. Peterson.
Whatever you might say next, has the utmost attention of many.
My best wishes for Tammy's continued recovery, your family stability. and your return to a more active active intellectual role in the arena of those who find value and challenge in your musings.
It seems to me this is Peterson at his finest!
I'm a little concerned that Mr. Peterson might be on the verge of having a nervous breakdown.
Talk about lectures, books and knowledge factories is also far behind the times and out of touch with modern education potentials even for a liberal education as advocated by Robert M. Hutchins and Mortimer J. Adler many decades ago. H.G. Wells wrote about lectures and books in 1921 in chapter 7 of "Salvaging Civilization".
I was strongly reminded of the definition of a game and its components in "The Fundamentals of Thought", Chapter 6: The Reason Why by L. Ron Hubbard
www.freedommag.org/issue/201504-foia/what-is-scientology/life-as-a-game.html
(ruclips.net/video/EHXkSMwafIM/видео.html) and Mr. Hubbard's written statement about the importance of individuality within a close-knit team of the Church of Scientology group known as the Sea Org.
atlassociety.org/commentary/commentary-blog/4229-check-your-premises
So much of what Jordan says strikes a personal note in my life. Most days I just can't deal with it, feel like he's speaking directly to me.
I think that’s what makes Jordan so special. We all feel like he belongs to us individually somehow.
HOW FORTUITOUS THAT HIS FIRST NAME IS JORDAN, THE VERY PLACE WHERE JESUS CHRIST WAS BAPTIZED AND STARTED PROCLAIMING THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND HIS LAST NAME MEANS THE SON OF PETER WHOM DENIED CHRIST THRICE.
The knowledge that Jordan is passing to us is described for me in this William Blake Poem:
If there is a blessing known, pass it on,
Let it travel down the years,
Let it dry another's tears,
Till in Heaven the deed appears,
Pass it on
Blake is right, but Peterson is not one of those blessings.
The modern day “Metaphysical Club.” I would love to see a panel that included these two and Dan Carlin (Hardcore History) that was based similarly on the discussion of the current zeitgeist, the role of technology in it, and the appropriate level/length/system of discourse that should be aimed for as it pertains to effective modern government.
I have watched nearly all of Jordan Peterson and that is no small feat. I must say I appreciate the President of the University, he is asking questions and then he allows Jordan to get the whole thought out before he talks again. It is a true skill to not speak when the situation calls for it. It’s as though he is actually paying attention to what he says. Good luck to this college and it’s sustained success!
Incredibly articulate. That in itself is a joy to witness.
When a JBP talk starts w some classical piano - you know it gon be lit
😭 thruth
The phrase “gon be lit” simply belongs no where near this discussion, that being said the piano was nice.
@@alexdelvento1273 odd to seemingly be accosted by such a censor-happy fella passive aggressively claiming admiration of drp.
Start a new uni, I will work there!
I am grateful beyond belief to have been given the mental capacity to follow Jordan's line of thought, for it appears as though he is lost in translation when people fail miserably to infer the actual message his statements convey. I thank you, Jordan, for being a true ideal father figure, for me and many others. Humanity is fortunate to have you, most particularly in today's catastrophic climate, which consists of incels, sexually perplexed individuals, wars that are grounded in ethnicity and race, the assault on epistemology and metaphysics, and other degenerative phenomena that lead the people straight into the depths of hell rather than the house of God.
One more wonderful talk with Dr. Peterson that brings tears in my eyes.
sober up Tom, you are getting into feminine sentimentality
@@joeantonelli5533 what?
1:19:18 -- Coming to the fountain....Kahlil Gibran (a Lebanese philosopher-poet and a Maronite Christian, which is to say, a culturally eastern Christian of the Western rite) in "The Prophet": "You have given me my deeper thirsting after life. Surely there is no greater gift to a man than that which turns all his aims into parching lips and all life into a fountain. And in this lies my honour and my reward -- that whenever I come to the fountain to drink, I find the living water itself thirsty, and it drinks me while I drink it."
I have to chuckle, because I am cleaning my room. On the surface that may not seem like much, oh, but it is!
I've watched hours of Peterson...one of his best!
Thanks to this man we have been given so many gifts.
Reason, responsibility, motivation,, appreciation, light, understanding, knowledge and wisdom.
LIFE worth living.
Sons of Peterson.
Life is worth living” - one of the most popular tv shows of the 50’s with Bishop Sheen
39:34. Blackwood: it is the PARTICULARITIES of experience which are our points of access to the infinite. JBP: The particularity is where the "pen meets the paper"
Can't believe I didn't know this existed
Jordan is perfect person for matrix architect
If an older wiser man tries to educate and help young men...then that's a problem ?....how did we get to this situation.
Not sure how I managed to overlook this conversation until now, but I'm happy to have discovered it.
JP is pure gold. Someone should be righting every word that comes out of his mouth.
Stephen Good Luck with the college there is a real need for a place like the one I think your founding.Maybe you could talk to Dr.Larry Arnn of Hillsdale College.Thank You for this GREAT conversation with Jordan Peterson and I have Subscribed o your RUclips channel.
Benzos in full effect.
Bad joke, I apologize. Get well Jordan. Your work has been a positive influence in my life, and many others.
Pleanty food for thought. But, hey a McGill tie, go Redman!
32:20. Discussion of what would be involved for an idealogue to burn off his deadwood
Exceptional dialogue! If I would have been into that room I would have shaked the hand of Stephen Blackwood and hugged Jordan Peterson. Thank you!
What is the name of the intro music?
@@RalstonCollegeSavannah Thank you very much. I have been searching for it ever since you posted the video. I used many softwares with no result. And of course thank you so very much for creating and shearing this kind of content. Hopefully we see more of JP and Mr. Blackwood as soon as he recovers from his ordeal.
A comment to tell the algorithm that this is important.
Excellent!! Thank you!!
I don't see the benefit I'm smart enough to associate with intelligent people already I used to date a graduate of McGill I can associate with most any class appropriately I don't think wealthier more educated people are automatically better people. Lots of them are very rude actually.
If just half of the post-modernists/leftists would simply take the matter of Christianity (specifically) as a philosophy of how to live life and treat others (as it is actually taught in churches of today), the world would be a much better place.
Great conversation,great pleasure
May God Bless You, Professor Peterson.
Jordan was wrong about the Moses thing. A rare thing for Dr Peterson. Thought I'd mention it
I was wondering the same thing can you explain it in your visions and words please
@@chrisbarnette8863 well my thinking is that Jordan is speaking in the theological archetype but he can't be right because of what happens in the story. The Israelites are tested and struggle to survive in the wilderness after leaving Egypt. One of these trials is not having enough water. Moses having a close relationship with God is able to strike a rock with his staff and water pours from it.
Following this Moses claims responsibility for this claiming he has this power. God is extremely displeased with this as the power came from GOD and worked THROUGH Moses. There's a serious lesson here.
Moses had no power you see. It was god all along.
Moses shows a grandiosity and narcsism to put himself in front of God instead of the appropriate worship and recognition of the truth
Thanks for you question sorry for the long answer. This is taken directly from Wikipedia- Moses holds out his staff and the Red Sea is parted by God.
The Israelites walk on the dry ground and cross the sea, followed by the Egyptian army. Once the Israelites have safely crossed Moses lifts his arms again, the sea closes, and the Egyptians are drowned.
You can see that it isn't Moses being the "Master of Water". Seems wrong to me.
@@lewiscraw8294 Take information from Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
@@ZeroSmoke. I do. You missed my point.
1:05:00. "The universities have become institutions of active discouragement."
♥ So perhaps the job of the intellectually "awake" .. . is to provide a supportive venues for those young people who's brains have not already been ideologued into oatmeal by the post-modern neo-Marxists of the post-seondary indoctrinational system
44:00. Very well put
Beautiful discussion.
Let me bring up one peculiarity I tend to see among those who tout the veracity and importance of the individual and individual freedoms (as I do). Why do so many who claim that individualism is of the utmost importance, very frequently wear the same garb and wear their hair the same way as the vast majority of others and have a generally low threshold for those who do not see fit to do the same. I understand the value of being formal vs informal or following social mores of this sort in a collectivist society, but it seem obviously hypocritical in any society that claims to hold the highest value for individualism and the freedom of each individual. This perspective is pervasive and has elitist undertones. We should move away from these 'cookie cutter' people approaches to professionalism in societies that claim to prize individualism.
That said, this was a powerful and well articulated discussion. Also, the recurring theme of order and chaos Dr. Peterson mentions shares much with Zoroastrian teachings (and also other teaching such as Taoism, but other religious connections such as Taoism seem more obvious to most). Thank you for posting this! I had a tear in my eye toward the end. Very touching.
because there are no absolutes--hairstyles that are totally individual would probably look like shit. we do one of several styles because there are probably a finite amount of hairstyles that are aesthetically pleasing, manageable to wear for a day.
Respecting the individual is important so that we can choose different styles of appearance or deviate at least from what our friends might do, to try (and probably fail) to come up with a brand new stylish hairstyle. it's also the belief that finding justice in a situation won't happen by considering what's good for the whole of society but that it will come when we acknowledge that no innocent man can go on being punished at society's hands. In the end, you do right by the collective putting the needs of the individual first-- a society that focuses on self improvement does not become more selfish than a collectivist society--if self improvement is actually reached, naturally learning cooperation will be part of that. In collective societies you get lots of paranoia of your fellow man, you get "tall poppy" syndrome and you get diffusion of responsibility
will never forget walking through China and seeing a woman lying bleeding on a sidewalk, and watching how the locals just kept walking by, not even looking. Clearly the woman was in distress, she was not homeless or anything like that--that would not happen in America, just walking by someone in that condition. Because we know that that individual has value in themselves and they probably have a family, other individuals who would care. We would feel bad as individuals to leave another individual in that condition, we don't just throw up are hands and say "the authorities will take care of that"
I love Jordan, but this other guy.....
“Will he offer me his jaws?
Yes
Will he offer me his hunger?
Yes
Again, will he offer me his hunger?
Yes!”
a foundational requirement underlying the conception of free speech demands the existence of "sovereign individuals capable of generating independent thought"
This interchange of an interview is momentous where one experiences what it is to expound on the layers and connectivity of cognitive/ superlative thoughts that leads to wisdom with humility and implicitly, on one hand, from Jordan B. Peterson, and the exemplary listening skills and expansive questions for relevance in true education from Stephen Blackwood manifest a supreme goal and mankind's true desire to attain in the final analysis! Education has all along provided work with monetary sustenance and recognition for the 'educators' while its students objective/s are the highest remunerative jobs and recognition - not the obligation to become the pinnacle of oneself to be of service to mankind - thereby achieving the diviine purpose our Almighty Creator of whom we were made in His image and likeness! Hail to our Almighty God, in Jesus' Name! Amen! 🙏⭐️🌈❤️👏🏽
Why doesn’t this have more views! This is an important, beautiful and amazing conversation
Occasionally there is a podcast that slips through the cracks. Suprised I missed this Cambridge discussion.
Thank you both!
31:47 "It's bad enough to be down but it's worse to know you're down because you've put yourself down. And then you're faced with a choice. Do you turn against the ideal itself because it becomes to painful to gaze upon it, or do you destroy the ideal itself?"
A Canadian get-together. Dr. Blackwood with his Canadian background and Dr. Peterson as a full Canadian.
Not sure I agree with this assessment of all the positive effects of the digital age. Not in the West and try asking someone in destitute Mali that.
Did you ever notice how Peterson never gets to a conclusive point? Have you ever heard of the word casuistry? If not, another word would be bullshit, or bullshit masquerading as reason.
The university offers “something better than everything else” is false. God is better than everything else.
Wisdom and knowledge are certainly better than most else. Of course convincing and attractive lies are worse than most all else.
Stand up and hold your shoulders back! Haaaaah! Like as if his generation ever respected their sons! And now he asks? Why are my daughters not honoured?
the transformation into hatred for the competent, expressed through vengeance and spite, the ultimate result of which is despair
14:30 ... it's not easy to distinguish between
• care for the dispossessed and
• hatred for those who occupy positions of ... authority [or] competence
15:04 Those are the two competing motivations.
15:29 Those who *hated* the competent slaughtered them.
The number of people at the bottom, with education and direction, can begin their own hierarchy of value and competency. They are not stuck unless under socialism where everything is the same. God gave each of us value and gifts within to add to the society of which we are live. We each have value.
Peterson articulates what my mother indoctrinated into my brother and myself: A man's mission is the Three P's: Provide and Protect. Period!
Who's playing Bach at the begining!?!?!?
Jordan P.,you are great but adage is already old ,otherwise it wouldn't be adage.
Rabbinic psychology. I know he's not Jewish but it's there in his DNA and a source of his genius....
Mr Blackwood, I’m leaving this comment here in the hopes it reaches you. I’ve been watching Dr a Peterson’s Exodus round table discussion and you have made such insightful points. If you’re not regularly putting out your own content you should be. Thanks as well for the Handel “Israel in Egypt” recommendation. Listening to the John Gardiner recording. 👏👏👏
a mythological figure and a greek god in discussion
the conforming unity of blue jeans
"the artist presents a representation of potential"
you get more than a fragment from shakespeare.
I wonder if anyone bothered to read my email
11:39 Because we're social creatures, we have to solve the problems by organizing collectively, and the way we do that ... is to produce a hierarchy.
11:55 You're soon going to discover that some people are much better at solving the problem than others, and that will inevitably produce a hierarchy.
12:18 ... Now the *problem* with that is as soon as you produce a hierarchical organization, two things happen:
• 12:24 A small minority of the people do almost all the creative work - that's the Pareto Principle
• 12:29 The *benefits* of the hierarchy flow disproportionately to a small number of people at the top.
The two competing motivations are care for the dispossessed and hatred for the competent
As Douglas Murray pointed to, quoting Orwell, was that after all the eggs were broken, there was no omelette.
Yes.
Artificial Intelligence
the Pareto principle
Please do a book review like your recent one on Ivan ilych with Peterson and a Dostoevsky novel! ❤️
I see the wave as the promises from the personified transcendnt the particular
The nail pierced Hand ✋
Hopefully Ken Wilber is correct and we need only incorporate traditional liberalism back into the equation. I'm not so sure.
if you have the answers debate Richard Wolff face to face.
He did.
@@CBT5777 You are right! My bad. JP debated Slavoj not Richard Wolff.
Richard Wolff is a waste of time.
@@CBT5777 I _was_ speaking for myself. Presumably you are doing so as well. Oh wait, you mentioned "not in our opinion" in another post addressed to me. Yeah, numbnut.
@@CBT5777 figure of speech huh? Ok, humor me, what was the meaning of your figure of speech? Hmm??
Does anyone know who is playing the fugue in d minor used in the opening?
Jean Piaget
Mr Blackwood there sounds like a rapper. yes yes yes Yes Yes
Abortion is here today... The horror is not over!
I'm watching this imagining Jon Lovitz as the interviewer.
Music?
This visualization is how Ive come to understand a metaphysical basis for objectivity and boundaries: I imagine the meeting of sand particles at the center of an hour glass or even 2 pyramids at their peaks. The hourglass represents Process, which is infinite; the narrow point represents Moment, which is finite, but each moment reverberates as reflections/divisions.The turning of the sand and the shape it takes creates time. The Figure 8 is Process' pattern, Moment is the shape Process takes at it's convergence point (the narrowest part of the hourglass). The energy is infinitely wide-spread at the outermost areas (like an hour glass that went on and on at each wing) but as it builds ''momentum' (time) it concentrates perfectly just like sand flowing together at the hour glass' narrow center. Moment holds the maximum energy concentration, thus creating Objective Priority. It is the original Point of View. The reverberations/reflections/divisions are the basis for memory /mimicry/a sense of past and imagining a future.
I think living things emerge with this as their built-in operating system, and differentiate by eternal harmonics (such as Cymatics demonstrates)
constantly playing complex musical scales, and I think these scales are the basis for our built-in language capability.
The only way for all the potential to emerge into a reality is for each potential to have it's turn as a focus and/or to have it's own locus of priority with which to respond, so time was the answer. The suffering and response of god was to set up this pressure cooker or grinder and see what popped out the other end, in a sense. I disagree with JP that we dont know someone's potential though. Because we cant have a sense of any potential if we have to past to base it on. I recently heard the ancient Vikings' sense of time was similar...they though of the past and present as being simultaneous.
What is the intro piece/music?
hunger for meaning - amazing!
Marxism had nothing to do with the soviet project. Christianity had nothing to do with Fascism.
Yes.
Hard for me to trust Stephen cause he's verbose and gives off an ivory tower vibe.
but he prompts Jordan well.
Brilliant. Thanks guys.
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