Margie Zacharias Defends Ravi - Christian Reaction
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Your opinions and comments are so sensitively articulated; they maintain a high level of respect without exercising harsh judgments for this very delicate situation. Very honouring. Well Done.
Yeah well done Not!
I appreciate you posted all the links for everyone to do their own judgment or conclusion. I also like you not jumping to any conclusion. Thank you!
Thanks for revealing a tender heart within you. Like so many people who enjoyed Ravi defending the Gospel, this matter continues to put a cloud in a place that used to have sun. I pray Jesus has mercy on him (as well as me) and victims of his transgressions. There are no stones in my hand.
This doesn't take away from ravi's body of work and his love for God..and there is two sides to every story
It damn sure does take away from his body of work keep in mind that the founder of Hillsong Australia gave many sermons regarding the Holy Spirit and the whole time he was having anal sex with little boys
This whole story is just so sad. We all need the Holy Spirit to show us the ‘spiritual mirror’ which reveals our flaws so we can run to the cross in repentance because it’s so easy when people like you a lot and think you’re so clever to think you’re something when in reality you’re nothing if not by the grace of God so ALL glory must be directed to God. The moment we realise that we stop thinking so much of ourselves, start focusing on the finished work of Christ on that cross and how much it cost to redeem us and submitting to God this resisting the devil so he flees from us.
I pray Margie will have peace and feel the love of Jesus even in these very difficult times.
Suspicious expense #1: Buying a massage parlor.
Yup and then another.
I love your heart for this matter. I agree that RZIM should not have asked her to move. Where is taking care of the widow? Thank you for this video. I subscribed.
Debts have to be paid .. and a small flat for her should suffice ... cant allow her to bath in luxury of ill gotten gains . by her hubby .. she never owned a pnnyy so have to give it back . widow or no widow ... a small flat should suffice !!
It's likely that RZIM is going super bankrupt and doesn't have the ability to pay property taxes on her very expensive house any more
The G in Go, that is how you pronounce the g in Margie.
If true, Ravi has already paid for it on the BEMA seat- just like David did.
It is not Christian behavior to throw widow out of her house
I really appreciate the way how you pulled this together. Being sober minded and showing compassion. I just want to add one thing to this. Not to discredit Margie, but from my experiences and what I observed, family members can be extremely biased towards their close ones bc. some people are just expert hiding from their close ones and showing only the good side, especially in Asian cultures. That is one of ways to manipulate and take control in a household as the head of the household.
@@theoneandonlydivinegeneral on the contrary, he is exactly correct. I have been reading your comments though. You might want to do some research and a little reading on this subject.
@@theoneandonlydivinegeneral there probably is more evidence of Ravi’s behavior - is that what you want to see? However, there are no conspiracies at work against Ravi. There really isn’t anything deeper than accepting the truth - Ravi did this and he did it intentionally and he did it intentionally for several years.
Unbelievable that so many Christians jump on the bandwagon of accusation when Ravi isn't here to defend himself. How convenient. Until Ravi Zaccharias undergoes due process in an unbiased court of law, I wholeheartedly believe Margie and Nathan.
Thank you for your so honest remarks, with great respect and even love for the people who are hurt.
I was shocked to hear about the allegations mentioned.
I now and then go to youtube and listen to different christian leaders and I try to learn. I have a great teacher and my brother is also a fine pastor ,so I have learned a lot already.
I also know R. Zacharias from youtube, and I was very impressed.
I think we have responsibility to listen carefully, ask questions and we should not treat these christian leaders as if they are popstars or as if they are perfect.
While listening I always missed the message that we are disciples from Jesus. That Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, that Jesus is our example.
That Jesus came to restore us, that He brought the Good News that the Kingdom of God is near, for those who are looking.
He brought back what we lost in Adam. A life as God had planned it to be in the beginning.
The christian leaders are also disciples from Jesus.
They should ask their audience to pray for them, to be good teachers and that they can understand His Word better and better, because the Holy Spirit is our greatest Teacher day and night.
This is what we should look for in christian leaders!
H. Chee-de Koning
Very well said, I hope and pray your channel grows.
Thank you for the kind words 😊
I am just beginning to deal with my emotions when I heard of Ravi's death. I've been refusing to deal with it because when I think about the betrayal I am exploded with emotions. I had placed Ravi on a pedestal. I am in the process of asking the Lord forgiveness in this matter and also working towards forgiving Ravi. That is all I can process for now. One more note.. Mrs. Zacharis you are in my prayers . Take care of yourself. Don't read this or other channel, Christ will take care of you, keep walking with your Lord, He will be your best friend, counselor, husband, and your Anchor.
This is exactly how I felt.
@@joyceparrish2030 not me because I didn't like listening to him. Sorry for you though for idolizing him
This is the biggest fiasco against a Christian minister I've seen in all my 70+ years growing up in the church.
You Christians ought to be ashamed for believing such lies -- that a dedicated servant of God who spent his life spreading the Gospel at great cost physically -- who raised excellent children and was devoted to his wife but especially to the ministry of the Word of God could do such things. That is SO illogical -- but logical to you just because a smear campaign is launched? All hearsay - nothing proven,?
That's not logical!!
Don't you think the people closest to him would know the truth?
Do you think there is no enemy seeking to discredit and destroy anyone proclaiming the truth of the Word of God - let alone someone who God has used widely?
God has an enemy who, as the Bible says, for now is being allowed to " night and day accuse the brethren." - always attacking God's work - until at last he will be thrown out of Heaven. Rev. 12:10
Check out Ravi's son's blog if you want the truth, and to find out the facts!
I don’t understand why Ravi didn’t have a “public” email that was given to those who asked for his email address. That’s fairly standard practice. I work for a big organization, and we are free to email the CEO, but his secretary filters and replies unless she thinks he needs to see it. This protects him. No employees or members of the public have his private email, and we aren’t offended by not having personal-level access to him. Ravi would only need to notify his secretary to watch for an email from someone if he knew it was coming and he wanted to respond personally after the email was screened for inappropriate content and then forwarded to him by his secretary.
I'm still trying to understand why they had to come after him during his death, a time when the man could not answer to his own defense. Isn't that like being convicted without a trial? Now the wife is suffering for her husbands allegations, ones which she doesn't even believe are true. Did they fail to destroy a most influential ministry when he was still alive and decided it'd push through better posthumously?
That's what I'm wondering, you said it well, this is the me too generation,
They did come at him. He threatened them with counter-lawsuits. He was extremely powerful and his ministry protected him.
@@garrettsanders4832 I'm not of any legal expertise but logic would ask; if they were innocent victims as they so claim to be, what counter lawsuits would he have against them that are strong enough to make them withdraw? Does truth fear to be tried? Is justice only one sided?
@@gilbertsamuel2144 He could have sued them for libel or defamation of character. He had lots of money and personal lawyers while his victims had but little money. I agree however that the claims of his victims are based on nothing but their own testimony. It is possible they are not completely innocent. However, his email and text communication on his phone showed he talked of having sex and kissing and touching with multiple women who were not his wife and he paid for many of his massage women's housing and bought them expensive gifts. He used words like, "baby", "babe" "darling" ect in his messages with them. He had pictures of them on his phone and many pictures of naked women. The 11 page report put out by his ministry talked of these things. Even his children have disavowed him now publicly because of these things.
Also, don't forget, after the scandal in 2017 he was probably being more careful in deleting stuff. If investigators could find the above things then just imagine what he probably deleted off his phones and hid carefully.
Thank you for your vid, Well said. We are ALL sinners, All guilty and will be Judged. Ravi's business is his privacy. I still listen to his version of GOD's Word, still enjoy hearing it. Noone can take that from him. Only GOD's Word can feed our souls with the bread of life! Dr.RaviZacharias, may you R.I.P. sir, Hope to shake your hand again, Amen. ✝️🕎🙏🏼🇺🇲🇬🇺🇯🇵
Thks so much,I agree with u.we should be praying for Razi s family and the victims.we r all sinners saved by grace.
Margggge hard g
Thank you for sharing that. It's as if people really didnt know Ravi or his family when they cant say her name correctly. That really isn't the most important consideration in all that troubles his family now that he has died. My heart hurts for his children & grandchildren who have loved him so truly & saw him as a great mentor& example.
Thanks your video, and trying to balance your views.
There are thousands like me who have loved Ravi, read his books, listened through 100s of sermons, who know the names of his wife (and how to pronounce) and children, his life story, and know much more than the youtubers and church celebrities capitalizing on the crisis: who have much more at stake here, yet refuse the prevalent self-righteous indignation...
All I know is that God spoke thru this man,...and blest my soul ...maybe the devil manage to get Ravi like he got Peter, or worse, like David... but I never heard it, ...and even if it were, the truth he spoke will always be the truth.
What you said at the end of your video, I think, is the most important --- nothing changes Jesus' love and sacrifice for me so that I might never die and dwell with God forever.
This email and Nathan's website and its content, do not seem to show the family having a united stand. Sarah's March 6, 2021 RZIM statement is contrary to her mother's email. Pray for this family
Never ever place man on a pedestal...if you do, you will always remain disappointed because man is sinful and broken. Place God on a pedestal, trust in him, and serve him faithfully. Then you will not be disappointed.
Well said.
So Margie doesn't have a right to speak out when Ravi can't say anything from the grave. And this because it "hurts the victims.?" People need to stop being so sensitive. She is fully entitled, as his widow, to have hope he didn't do it and to express that hope to those he loved.
It is pretty likely that he did do the things that he is accused of. I cannot imagine what she or the family is going through, but it is hurtful to the victims when you deny these matters of truth. When you have that many accusing you, it is pretty hard for them all to be totally and completely false.
Wow I cannot imagine what they are going through, it would be better not to say anything then to deny truth.
@@ryandawson2877 I am willing to concede that he MAY have done it. I am even willing to say that if he did, there is NO reasonable argument for the victims to not get closure. But she has every right to believe her husband didn't do it. You can't force someone to agree with you.
@@robertihde7806 I mean… I guess you have the right to believe the sky is green if you want, but at some point the truth should be embraced or at least acknowledged. Ridiculous… Why continue to believe something if the evidence pretty much conclusively proves otherwise. Knowing the truth can set us free. So no… It’s full evidence is presented in truth is not acknowledged, but in fact a Lie is embraced as truth, it does damage. It would be better not to say anything then to say the wrong thing. Especially after quite some time. You can believe that someone was extremely flawed and still love them.
@@robertihde7806 you don’t defend friends and family in the wrong actions. Even a spouse… Just because we love people does it mean that that which is true ceases to be true.
I feel sorry to Margie, for all the pain and hardship she suffers from all this ordeal, I just wish and pray that we can tell Margie the my wife saw Ravi coming up to the throne of God the day he died , my wife died in the hospital because of Covid 19 for 12 minutes and she was surprised that she saw Ravi coming up to the throne of God and saw the Father welcomed him and embraced him. and when my wife woke up she told me that she saw Ravi in Heaven with the Father God. not knowing that Ravi died on that same day.
Thousands of people and Christians died the same day too
Well said, The Lord is our only judge,my heart hurts when I see what is done to this great man of God! Thanks again
The devil would use any means available to bring down a true man of God.
Ravi was strong in Christ and great evil will use any means to bring a good man down.
His journey in life started with many challenges and he conquered with the love of God to become a man strong in Faith.
I know he would be welcomed in the great beyond as the defender of the Faith.
I pray and Hope his family continue to hold him in high esteem as Defender of the existence of a Great God creator of all good things.
Somehow I m glad Margie still believes in her husband. At least that protects her from deep hurt as she continues to keep loving memories of him.
All said and done would God allow someone like Ravi to be protected from scandal during his lifetime and not be found out. Hes not here to defend himself....God did it for him. I think he is innocent.
I don't know whether Ravi was guilty or not, but as a victim (i don't like this word) of abuse by the hands of a pastor myself, I've seen that though he suffered financially and finally died in 2021, but during his lifetime, apart from his family, his church was still unaware. But I KNOW IT HAPPENED TO ME! And I know that he died as a part of GOD'S judgement, coz I was confirmed by God about this. So his lifetime "cover" might be because of God's Reputation, not his.
Adolf Hitler is not here to defend him Cell. Michael Jackson isn't here to defend himself either. But i'm sure you think both are guilty. The reason you think robbie is innocent is because you were sucked into his web and approve t
That's not what the evidence supports.
Sorry but Margie's letter has a lot of missing information. Also remember that more than half of the staff lost their jobs during a global pendamic and many of the speakers have lost their income as well. She is not the only victim, or only person who might be losing her home because of Ravi’s actions, besides according to the report, she owns other properties so its not like she's going to be homeless here. Let's keep in mind the real victims, all the young women he victimized (who are the most important) and the employees of RZIM whose names have been soiled by association and those who lost their jobs.
You are so right about Margie and her home. Poor woman she has been through enough, and to break a promise to her is a double sledgehammer to her heart. Shame on you RZIM.
Who said she was promised the home ? No one at RZIM. There is no deed with her name on it. Rzim needs to sell property and it’s time for her to move.
He was "cancelled"! That's how I feel. The world is upside down and I find the whole story to be very suspicious. I don't believe he was guilty but God knows the truth.
Thank you for stating that no matter what we do, the Gospel is firm! It is truth and does not change! The fact remains that our Mighty God gave us the gift of choice. We choose what we will do and what we will not do. Freedom in Christ is being given the power through the Holy Spirit to say " I choose not to participate in a sinful activity or life style opposite of God's word, God's heart. Thankfully, our Jesus stands firm in His word and His promises. This is such a heart wrenching situation both for a wife/Widow and for those who were abused.
May the Lord bring His truth into this. What was hidden be brought into the light. May our Lord bring closure and healing to all involved. Above all may God get the glory for His help and wisdom .
Thank you for sharing.I I agree that RZIM should not have asked her to give up her home. It concerns me that FZIM says they are going to advocate for victims. Do they not realize how their treatment of Ravi''s wife is abusive? They don"t get it. I have subscribed
You put together so well GOD BLESS you young man
I don’t know what to say about Ravi and the controversy, except that I watched all his videos and learned a lot from them. Margie was his wife and knew him best. I watched a video recently by his oldest daughter and she seems to believe what is being said about her father. I know one thing for sure, that God alone knows the absolute truth. As to Margie being evicted from her home, that speaks volumes about the organization and Ravi’s oldest daughter. I dare say this has probably just thrown another coal on the fire. May the good Lord bless and care for Margie in the future.
She WASNT evicted. It was NEVER her home. It was Ravi’s salary perk. An eviction is a legal process to remove an occupant. Margie does not hold the title or deed to the house. She’s not a homeless helpless widow.
Not to mention....if you recieve certain inappropriate photos from people, after you tell or show you spouse (or significant other), your pastor, close friends and/or (in Ravi's case) top officials in your organization/business....DELETE those pictures!! Even if those pics can still be found, your devices will be free of them, showing that you took steps to purge them and distance yourself from them.
Which can in turn be grounds for guilt. It’s kind of a paradox
This situation is so very sad for all involved. As for the president of RZIM, how could he be so heartless as to show no mercy for Margie Zacharias at this heartbreaking time in her life? Would he not expect the same if his family was facing a crisis of this magnitude?
Praying for everyone affected by this.
Margie if I were you I would NEVER HAD EVEN responded to mischievous & devious people who love to tarnish Ravi's reputation. RAVI was chosen to do God's work & did a wonderful job. Satan is always looking for lost people who have all the Time on their hands to fling dirt. the DEAD DON'T TALK and they are dam lucky. the world was lucky to have listened to Truth in every speech that Ravi gave & ravi gave individuals a broader knowledge of the Word of God.
Amen to all that!!
Thank you, I needed this. God bless his wife❤️ and children.❤️💜💙
What Ravi did, Margie never saw. He was smart and slick enough to hide it from her (not that hard). Understandable, her response. Sad for the victims though to have to read her thoughts. But, hey, this was all completely avoidable if Ravi were to have created true accountability--which he sadly, did not do. All victims are shocked. Margie and her entire family fall into that category.
He tricked them for decades
Why did RZIM have all his cellphones and laptops for investigation? If Ravi was really that smart to hide his sin, wouldn’t he delete all those so called “evidences” when he knew he had cancer?
There’s no such thing as deletion in the digital realm
Unless he wanted to be found out as a part of some grand scheme
Have you all read the long Defend Ravi blog and Margie's letter?! Read them first and then comment.. And I Believe Margie ..IT IS THE WIFE WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER to suspect a gallivanting husband. AND No amount of webbing/ telling more lies or being in denial just to save her husband will only get things worse, IF THE EVIDENCES WILL POINT TO THE TRUTH..But apparently THEIR SUPPOSED TONS OF EVIDENCES AGAINST Ravi were NOT THERE.. SO SAD HOW HE WAS VILIFIED by RZIM just to save their ...ses. ( sorry for my word)
@@MCrCh do you just make up a defense of Ravi to make yourself feel better? Do you just pretend the evidences are not there because Nathan wants you to believe that?
@@kurtanderson5023I believe the family's perspective because I see no clear evidences against Ravi. Why do the victims show not their faces?
@@cetepeter5431 I believe evidence that points to his sinful behavior. Such as lying about attending Oxford, having a Doctorate, the sexting of pictures and maintaining nude pictures on his phone and other items in the report which was investigated by former LEOs and then written by the law firm. Law firms do not make up facts on these investigations because they be sued for defamation.
It is well known that victims of sexual abuse Or misbehavior do NOT to reveal their faces nor are they required since Ravi died before any criminal charges were filed. Don’t assume that because women don’t want you to see their face means they are the ones who were wrong here.
I read her letter and sadly I think Ravi fooled her. It’s not unusual that wives are deceived by their husbands in matters of affairs and vice versa. I think you understand that. Nor can I accept that Nathan’s blog is an objective look at his fathers behavior. Nathan won’t even discuss Thompson affair or other significant items in the report. He simply tries to clear his dads name regarding the 21 allegations of sexual abuse.
If you decide to believe him and Margie that’s your choice but you can’t say you believe the family since it was a family member who agreed with the report right?
There could have been a morality clause which would kick in and force any contractual relationship to be null and void, meaning the house reverted back to RZIM. Everyone is quick to point out RZIM’s “failure”with Margie‘s house, but what about the people that supported that ministry and paid for the house. Was there a legally binding agreement. There are two sides to every story. The bottom line is that Ravi did damage while he was alive and in his death. Did he consider the damage he was doing for his family after his death? The gift that keeps giving. In every ministry there is a morality clause. It’s just part of it. We need to learn more.
Good points. And where is a document that states the house belongs to Margie? If there was one we all know Nathan would be waving all over the place.
The truth is known to God. Ravi may be or not, but God tells us to take a look at that scene where He was present in the midst of a crowd that came to stone the woman…and without saying a word, He got them to think of their wickedness.
This is why I don’t use social media at all, or give out my personal email except to a very small circle of people. My business email is accessible to everyone in my company, bosses included. If someone sends me something inappropriate on there, well, you just sent it to my higher ups and colleagues.
These poor victims. You think they didn’t know the score working at a massage parlor? Their sin was greed. They were a lot more vocal about the alleged abuse after the money ran out
What do you mean?🤔
One, her love for her husband is above her love for God. She hasn't guarded her heart. Second, her ignorance of those photos show they didn't have such a great relationship and she was shut out of certain areas in his life. Third, those sinful traits from Ravi will filter down to e-v-e-r-y person associated with him. I know what I'm talking about because we sat under a pastor who had homosexual traits and those traits were passed on to direct contacts and the next generation. Get a deliverance done or do it yourself for the sake of Christ. The multiplication of this sin will bring reproach to the name of God and is heartbreaking.
You never take into account the possibility that all this might be a big hoax perpetrated by Ravi's many enemies! You imagine you are God an know everything better than his family...But really do you know better?
But how can you find a person guilty sans a court of law and trial? Based upon emails and word of mouth?
“All we can do is make assumptions based upon the evidence that’s available to us”
Righto
Ian - Oh, I don't know. Maybe emails of love sent to women who were NOT his wife? That might be a clue. Where there is smoke, there IS fire! My Bible teacher ex-husband hid his mistresses letters and their naked photos under the carpet in the attic thinking I'd never find them - but, believe it or not, the Lord led me to them by giving me warning dreams. When I disclosed to this "Christian" man that I'd discovered his stash, he blew up at me, blaming ME for not respecting his privacy and for not submitting to him, as per the scripture, by usurping his authority and finding that which he did not wish me to find. He actually went to the churches asking for prayer for his "unsubmissive wife" - of course he conveniently neglected to tell them the whole story. And, of course, he heavily denied his adultery at first, lying in an Oscar worthy performance, then finally broke down and admitted to it, then decided that his womanizing was all my fault because I was stopping him from fulfilling God's reward to him - being that he was only following in the footsteps of King David and Solomon which was proof of his own perfect walk with the Lord. Mistresses were obviously how God rewarded faithful Bible teachers (It's amazing the gymnastics some people will entertain in their twisted logic so that they don't have to come clean before God). Then I heard that damnable excuse again via the testimonies of one of the women whom Ravi seduced. The perfect lie. What did Jesus say? Many preachers will come to Him and claim to have done this or that in His name and performed many marvelous works, and Christ will say, "Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness / iniquity / sin." My only hope and prayer is that the cancer, given to Ravi by the ultimate grace of God, froze Ravi in a place from which he couldn't run or hide and there, forced again by the Grace of God, to face his own deceptive, fraudulent behavior and sins against his wife, family, and all those who believed what he said, but more importantly, his sins against Christ, gave him time to repent. My hope and prayer is that he did finally repent and so his soul was saved. We can't take the name of the Lord our God in vain - which means, if you are claiming to be a Christian, you darn well better behave like one.
@@Blurb777 Yep. Justification can be the worst sin of all.
@@dr.k.t.varughese3151 - I absolutely agree.
@@Blurb777 well said
I can believe you could fool your girlfriend, brother, sister, mother or father. But not your wife.
You CAN fool your wife if you keep her locked away, which is what he essentially did by being absent from her 200 days a year. I know. I was one of the fooled wives. The wives are usually the last to know, especially if the wife BELIEVES in her husband - that most precious attribute of a loving wife, and also the one most easily defrauded, and loves him like her own soul. The pain is just too much to bear, that she'd been living a lie while holding up her end of the bargain, and so denial eventually slips in. It's a way to keep one's sanity, if only for a brief moment before the truth actually sinks in. I really feel for her - she did not deserve this.
@@Blurb777 Thanks for the reply. I still find it hard to believe you can fool someone you sleep with. Especially over such a long period of time.
So Margi is telling the truth or lying is my opinion. Can you fool your wife for 10 or more years??
@@Neil-yg5gm - If you did not live with your wife for most of your married life then, yes, you can fool her. Easily. That, plus she's in hard denial. To accept the truth as a flash bomb and not take it in slowly so she could process it gradually would actually, physically, destroy her. It's a self-defense mechanism. Let her be. Pray for her. Unless you walked in her shoes, you really have no idea. At all.
@@Blurb777 She did live with him but did spend a long time away from home. That itself should have rung bells.
So i will includes a third opinion.
Margi is telling the truth, lying or she is stupid. You cannot fool someone you sleep with
I think that is a good point. While it's not impossible or improbable to fool your spouse, it's really hard to keep something hidden from them when it's something massive like this.
Remember the show Breaking Bad? Walt kept his meth making factory from his wife but she eventually found out.
I know that's a show and maybe it's true Ravi was a master at hiding his behavior if he's guilty.
Something like Ravi did is not easy to hide from a spouse. Everyone has their weaknesses and moments where they say something or act in a suspicious way when they are guilty of something.
Also why did RZIM not come out during his time when he was alive? If they knew he was guilty then they could have come out sooner. They waited till after his death to now say he was guilty? Something is missing.
Margie had other homes. She sold that one to RZIM a considerable time before RZIM found the need to sell it & they gave her warning. She knew ahead of time this was likely to happen. Of course Margie didn’t find anything. Margie is extremely intelligent. Do you really think Margie wasn’t complicit about RZ & his sexual perversions during their marriage, do you think that Margie who “managed” RZ, (according to RZ), didn’t know about this. Do you think she knew nothing of LoriAnne and her statements? Do you, really? Oh my.
By the way, it’s MarGie with a hard “g”.
RZ had multiple opportunities to confess.
Vicki you are correct. God protect and bless you.
You don’t know her personally nor are you within their midst. So, don’t believe everything you read ..
God Bless Margie and her family for what they have been going through. Something about this whole thing has never sat right with me. Plus Ravi is not here to defend himself. There is a lot of money involved and where there is a lot of money there are jackels. The devil loves to tear someone like Ravi down and I really wonder about that because many will stop listening to the messages God gave him to preach. If you have doubts about Ravi, then listen to the message and not the messenger, for the messenger is only a man. God gifted Ravi and he gave his whole life over to that gift. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. God Speed
I agree that RZIM should NOT have evicted Mar-gee Zacharias out of the house she was promised to be allowed to live in for as long as she would choose to live there. Such actions by Christian Organizations, when they behave in such a lack of a compassionate manner, can be used as extremely effective "Fodder" for the enemies of Christ and The Gospel. My opinion is that RZIM should apologize to Mar-gee, and allow her to move back into that house.... which, sadly, I do not believe that they as an organization have the integrity to do. Ted Schempp, Nashville
No one made any promises she could stay there AFTER he died. The house was owned by RZIM and Ravi and Margie lived there freely as part of his salary perks. When RZIM financially began to collapse they needed to sell off properties.
While it’s sad that Margie had to leave the home she wasn’t a poor widow. She had all Ravi’s benefits and royalties from books.
The fact that Ravi categorically denied allegations made by Lori and then went on to use his connections to indemnify her, by ostracizing her from her local Christian community, speaks volumes about the man's sensitivity as a minister. He could've at least confessed his mistake and asked forgiveness from Lori before his passing, but he chose to go silently into the night. If the God of Ravi exists, I doubt if he would let the issue go silently underneath the weight of his gavel.
Ravi will go to heaven and still hear from God upon his arrival.
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Whether he is guilty or innocent, what difference does it make? He's dead. And why didn't these women come out while he was still alive? Some things are just better left in God's hands.
Did Ravi and Margie own the house or did RZMI own the house?
What has happened to donations to support the ministry once Ravi's double life was revealed? Just learned they are no longer accepting donations on their website. How would that have impacted the RZIM's ability to maintain the house?
In the US some ministries have put houses in the name of the ministry.
Excellent response. Finally some one here understands.
Fair point
Ravi was faithful to his gifting and calling. All his messages are inspirational and truth. If the sexual allegations against him are true, so be it. In all these, Ravi leaves a message, " admire the gospel truth and be watchful on sexual sins ". " Listen to him and don't do it".
RZIM should be investigated. It's obvious they have an agenda kicking the wife like that.
It's likely that RZIM is going super bankrupt and doesn't have the ability to pay property taxes on her very expensive house any more.
Since Ravi & Margie's daughter, Sara Davis, is CEO of RZIM then maybe she could answer the reported accusation that her mother is being removed from her home. Also, I have great doubts that Margie actually wrote an email to share with family since it's coming from their son, Nathan, who vehemently denies his father's duplicitous lifestyle. Nathan needs to attach a copy of that email to his post rather than simply print what he claims she said.
@@vickisuttle5808 No Marge definitely wrote a letter. It has been shared by multiple sources. Also, RZIM is bankrupt so of course Marge is losing her home. It was owned by the ministry and the ministry is going under! I just don't think Marge has had time to really process what has happened, much less the evidence of Ravi's wrongdoing. She just lost her husband to cancer, and then less than three months later lost his reputation which also included her income stream and social standing, in one year. She is still in denial. She will probably have to take a part-time job.
@@garrettsanders4832 I understand her letter has been reported by multiple sources. However, have those sources simply repeated what Nathan has shared? Has anyone actually shown or posted the actual email from his mother?
@@vickisuttle5808 Have you tried to Google it? mychristiandaily.com/wife-of-late-ravi-zacharias-margie-releases-email-defending-him/
Hopefully, churches and Christian organizations will take accountability seriously.
Margie shld have that home as long as she needs it, period!! Pray for her!!!
Why.. She needs only a one bedroom flat. That it. It was never her money.
Well said sir. May the truth be found out. Ravi always taught seek truth!
Ravi kept her in the dark. What husband spends 200 days away from the wife in places like bangkok and hong kong?
Why did he threaten to resign when rzim asked for his phone.
She is in deep denial.
Very deep denial. And the denial is also even more damaging to the victims and future victims of sexual misconduct.
Is there evidence that he DID threaten to resign, or is it just hearsay?
Yes. Mentioned by rzim.
Bu the same token, why did RZIM change course and all of a sudden decide Ravi is guilty? If staff knew this was going on and were against it as the report claimed, why wait till after his death?
@@Convexhull210 It was not all of a sudden. There were suspicions but Ravi had become too powerful and punished anyone who questioned him.
Ok it's really bothering me every time you say "if he's guilty". Would you only be convinced if he were alive to tell you himself? His own daughter, CEO of RZIM states that he is guilty! They are all partly responsible for allowing him to go unchecked, unmonitored and untouchable. We can't sugar coat this and say, oh they didn't know. It's a problem that this whole ministry is ultimately controlled by the family, which usually is biased towards their own family members. Ravi had everyone in place to protect HIS reputation, whether they knew it or not.
So so grateful the Truth TRUTH WILL WIN EVERY EVERY TIME
I appreciate your post, but I’m really tired of the so called Christian response to Ravi Zacharias allege sins and appalled that his widow Margie has been kicked out their home. I am glad however that there is only one judge, the one who sees all, knows all and understands all. Richest blessings in Christ
It’s wasn’t her home why do so many make this assumption? She didn’t hold the deed. It wasn’t her property. It was part of Ravi’s salary perks. RZIM is liquidating assets. While it’s still sad it’s important we understand the truth as well.
Ravi is nothing new. He is one of many high ranking evangelicals who committed sexual transgressions of the highest degree. There is Ted Haggard, Benny Hinn, Jim Baker, Creflo Dollar and many, many others. You can JUDGE them by there fruits.
It is not alleged. Sounds like you may have a worry about this. You are tired of the truth being brought to light REV.
My heart is broken for Margie and her children, as well as any victims. I’ve read everything. In truth, we can’t know everything 100 percent, but things don’t look good for Ravi. And I agree they are punishing his widow by taking away her home. We need to pray for family and victims. The rest is in the Lord’s hands.
This is a LEGAL ISSUE and this is a million-dollar house that costs quite a bit to maintain and run. RZIM pays for this and they are no longer taking donations. This is a financial and legal impossibility. If she wanted the home, she had the means to purchase and maintain it - easily. She is quite wealthy. The million-dollar, massive “parsonage” is under the name of the CFO of RZIM. Because there are countless victims, RZIM cannot continue to totally maintain a luxurious house for Margie. It’s unfortunate, but this was decided by her husband, over decades, by his abusive conduct. Moreover, given the massively wealthy benefactors and friends they have, I’m certain she has been provided another home, free of cost, to her. The only way that RZIM doesn’t get sued into oblivion is to dissolve. And holding a massive house for one person, is not tenable.
@@KristiLEvans1 How "kind" of you. Wish I were as perfect. Paul Laboda
@@elizabethlaboda3259 *think*. This isn’t about “kindness”. I was explaining WHY this “ministry” had no choice BUT to give Margie 90 days. Not every decision can be made because “feelz”. Things like “finances”, “reality”, “fallout”, “legal requirements” come into play, too.
@@elizabethlaboda3259 think. Use your mind and look at the situation. No one was talking about perfection.
@@elizabethlaboda3259 we are talking about legal realities as a result of sustained sexual abuse and fraud.
Ravi Zacharias sad and hypocritical life is a reminder to all in ministry. It is possible to be effective and win many, yet in the end, hear the words of our Lord say, "Depart from me, l never knew you."
the message of the gospel is indeed the most important , the messenger should never be worshipped like a celeb
Why are we discussing defending Ravi ? The Lord and Savior he spoke of so well is the only defense available to Ravi now.
I must say above all , no matter what Ravi did changes nothing about about the gifts from God that the Holy Spirit has given me through Ravi's ministry . Why has nobody mentioned the fact that Ravis sin puts him in some pretty good company like king David , Solomon Judah and a few other biblical characters huh??
It is good to down size the home when you are old, and also it will be a change of place and to relax in a new place and a new home. New home or new place brings new memories.
A men with such a wisdom From God?
I would love to believe that He,s being framed and I wish it was true, What if this is an attack from the fallen one so that his whole Life Christ minister go to waste
Their not kicking her out, rzim who bought the house with ministry $ is now shutting down and opening under another name. When rzim shuts down all assets connected to rzim have to be turned over... yes she was promised the house, and as long as rzim stayed open she’d get to keep it, it is out of rzim’s hands at this point, this is not to punish her...
Not true. In a non-profit, such as a church or ministry, the house is sold and liquidated by choice. The house doesn't have to be sold, nor does Margie HAVE TO be evicted.
Sooo sad to see someone is trying to justify that! You can not evict the widow who lived her life for the ministry! Imagine you go through up and downs hoping one day the clouds will clear up, my husband will retire and will be back together again with a happy ending.... instead you become a widow and no one from the ministry stand up to protect the house you called home for years.😭
Sooo sad to see someone is trying to justify that! You can not evict the widow who lived her life for the ministry! Imagine you go through up and downs hoping one day the clouds will clear up, my husband will retire and will be back together again with a happy ending.... instead you become a widow and no one from the ministry stand up to protect the house you called home for years.😭
@@robertihde7806 you have no idea what the situation is. You don’t know about the terrible financial debt of RZIM. You don’t know who holds the deed to the house(clearly not Margie)and you don’t know who supposedly promised the house to Margie. It’s interesting that no one on the Board has ever released any statement or document on this at all. Margie is the only one stating it was promised. Perhaps it was but things changed very quickly when they stopped taking donations. In fact, RZIM actually returned donations.
When the community was preparing to stone the woman caught in open adultery, what did Messiah Jesus say ? What did He write in the dirt ? Then everyone dropped their stones and went home . Can we let Ravi and Jesus handle this , for it is in the court they are in and we are not.
He was a man of God I truly believe that but he was a man and I still love him and I still want to watch him and listen to him because he's helped me through many many years it's true or not it's true I forgive him and that's what we all need to do that would be God's way
Why the accusers dint talk about this when Ravi was alive. This to bring bad reputation on ministry.
I always feel that there is an underground plan from some people against Ravi's family. I do not know, but just felt. I am still waiting for truth. I do not believe what is put already, so just praying and waiting.
I guess you can choose between your “feelings” and the truth. I hope you will accept the truth.
David’s sin of Bethseba and Uriah’s death the 1 Corinthians 11... what we. We sow we will reap...🇮🇱🇺🇸📖❤️🙏✝️🩸
The most beautiful thing you said is "we cannot blame the one who is death" and it is more important to take care of widow... Who spent more than 40 years in ministry...
It seem like angry man's activities
Unfortunately the pain ravi caused isn't even close to the pain his wife feels. Anyone who read the investigation reveals his guilt. Everyone who worked at RZIM had everything to lose and nothing to gain by his guilt.
Please investigate the independent investigators!
The wife is walking in such denial..I used to be there!
I am on the fence with whether or not Ravi is guilty... From what his kids say, they've never been able to see the 'evidence' in the investigation. All we have is the report from the independent investigation, but not the actual evidence. The fact the kids and Margie are starting to come out and defend Ravi is encouraging, for me at least.
One of the “kids” believes the report. She was the President of RZIM and responsible for releasing the report.
If Ravi is guity, someone has to apologize to the victims and seek forgiveness. God, please console these souls who were hurt whether or not Ravi is guilty.
Is he God? Please believers Abraham received the promise from directly from God but he still went to Hegar's tent. It is flesh for all man. But still our God called Abraham " father of faith " please if that happened because he is human and he is not God. If we have this understanding ...his wife will have peace with God and man.. Zac is still " man of God" Amen !
I appreciate the way that you spoke about this whole story with love and a deeper understanding. Our cancel culture mindsets run very deep but God sees all-nothing is hid from Him and yet His love enters into every one of our often very messy human situations and the cruelty that has resulted, with His power of truth. By mercy and truth which are the first steps can true reconciliation and healing start to begin. We have to go there first before the healing comes. Tks!
I have my doubts about so called Nathan Zacharias website as well as Margie's letter.. Thats its true in the first place
It was likely not RZIM's choice whether or not Margie gets to keep her house. They are likely going super bankrupt and do not have the ability to pay property taxes for it anymore.
That’s a real possibility. Things change.
There are not two sides to every story, there is only one truth, and perhaps that means that there was plenty of guilt to go around.
What if she’s right? Who are you? What do you know?
@@theoneandonlydivinegeneral If I don’t know what I’m saying…then your completely lost! Grow up dude. Accept it, he’s not guilty. Sorry to disappoint you.
If I don’t know what I’m saying, then YOU’RE completely lost. Grow up dude. Accept it, he’s not guilty. Sorry to disappoint you.
@@theoneandonlydivinegeneral Sorry brother…my mistake. Take care! God bless you.
the more false we destroy the more room we make for true .
Robert Ingersoll
It is so unique that all this came out after his death. How do we know that the evil one has done this, just to discredit everything Ravi stood for?
There are victims. Ravi was very very good at deceiving everyone and did so for decades. The evidence kept piling up. He happened to die just as things were heating up. That doesn't exempt him from the terror and pain he caused to be swept under the rug. He was a bad man who did some great things. But he wasn't innocent
I get a kick out of these commenters who make some snide comment about correctly pronouncing Margies name and if he doesn’t it is disrespectful. This is a VIDEO not a conversation. He is by now well aware of how to correctly pronounce her name. Some of you miss the point of the video. It’s not about pronouncing a name it’s about her email.
It's time, the mother & son accept the facts about Ravi Zachariah, specially after all the minute investigation
None of this changes what I learned from Ravi. I listened to everyone of his teachings and some of them 2 or 3 times just because of the way he taught. Only one person made it through this life on Earth without fault and that person was hung on a cross for yours and my sins. RZIM is making a huge mistake in what they are doing. There was never any fault with his teachings so “Why put a stop to them?”…. Thankfully this world is coming to an end…
Why promote the teachings of this deeply flawed manipulative and deceitful teacher?
We know one thing for certain, God knows the truth whatever it is.
Lets weigh these accusations that waited until he was not here to defend himself against a LIFETIME of devotion to the Lord and OTHERS. The fact that RZIM and all who either worked with Ravi or were brought up by him so quickly declare him guilty and fall into line with the worlds "cancel culture". I do not see this guy as sensitive and neutral. He seems to phrase things in a way to assume the chance of guilt more than innocence. His "this is what I would do" seems to create suspicion and judges Ravi after the fact. I dont place him on a pedestal but a lifetime of diligent service to God and others should carry great weight against evidence that doesn't prove guilt...it may point towards it and the one thing I agree with hi saying is "we wont know the truth". WE ALL FALL SHORT and the ones judging Ravi should read the bible that speaks about those who use certain criteria to judge that it will be used in the same measure to judge them. The world WANTS to believe Christians are hypocrites...they do not want Christians to be genuine so it doesnt need proof of guilt to condemn simply enough circumstantial evidence that COULD point towards guilt. The ones I truly am disgusted with is those who Ravi raised up to positions of; leadership in RZIM and now they pull away...distancing themselves and RZIM named after him seeking to cancel out the work of God that he did. Whether guilty or not his books, videos, articles and his very life were in GODS HANDS and I do not feel that any of them are serving any purposes other than Satan's in denying potential believers who may need to hear/see the truth that Ravi was used to share with the world. Ive heard many things that make me doubt the neutrality of this investigation and as the bible says the powers behind such things are not of this world but from the spiritual realm and as the truth project calls it, "the cosmic battle" the power fighting against God and those who love and serve Him derive their power from Satan and his minions and we must be discerning to stand against them “In conclusion, be strong in the Lord [be empowered through your union with Him]; draw your strength from Him [that strength which His boundless might provide]. Put on God’s whole armor [the armor of a heavy-armed soldier which God supplies], that you may be able successfully to stand up against [all] the strategies and the deceits of the devil. For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents], but against the despotisms, against the powers, against [the master spirits who are] the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) sphere.” (Ephesians 6:10-12, AMP)
You are in denial and spit in the face of victims
God knows Ravis heart and actions!
48 years of ministry to fall in this manner, is sad indeed
However, these are serious allegations, why didn't the victims escalate their plight to the police and media?
Why is the current CEO of the foundation penalizing the wife, by removing her from the home, that was paid for by the ministry set up by her husband?
Like whatever the ministry is worth, which is surely million's, the wife gets nothing this way
Its impossible for a dead man to defend these accusations
Whatever evidence was collected should be made public
Ultimately GOD will judge Ravi
And if he is guilty, he already knew whats in store
There are two sides here, but one side will never be known
We should not blow up the issues as it hurts our emotions and does no good. We should apply the love chapter of the Corinthians
David was a man after God's own heart according to God himself and look how easily he opened himself up to sin - one after another - one bigger than the one before - so i'm not buying the self discipline line.
I don't think Charles Stanley and John MacArthur was sent selfies from women and kept them. How would they have these Christian ministers phone number anyways?
Margie Zacharias shredded the evidence. Think about that. She had all the names and contact info of the massage therapists that could be handed over to Guideposts or the lawyers working for RZIM. We will never know if there are more victims from RZ's behaviors. They will never get justice now. Margie Zacharias refused to hand over other evidence to Martin and Miller. If Margie had proof that she was to live in that house, which is owned by an LLC, she would have a lawyer on it. Margie lived in a million $$ house for free for years. She is worth millions after RZ death. She can afford a home that she will leave to her heirs. The house was owned by an LLC and would never be left to her children. RZ was getting pictures of women almost up to his death. The really sad truth is RZ wanted to spend more time with other women than Margie Zacharias. Many people have said that RZ said his marriage was like a business relationship. He didn't love his wife. That is the sad part about Margie. She gave up her youth and life for a man that didn't love her. RZ wanted to spend time with other women instead of Margie. That emotional abuse is heartbreaking. That is a bitter pill for any woman to swallow. Her letter is beyond sad to hear. My hope is she gets professional help to deal with it. The kids too.