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Tivoli Gardens Documentary - Hard Road To Travel - Public Housing in Jamaica
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- Опубликовано: 30 апр 2022
- This a documentary made in the late 1960s perhaps by a fledgeling Jamaica Information Service (JIS). The film chronicles the history of the Tivoli Gardens public housing development. Edward Seaga the member of parliament for the constituency was a young sociologist who formulated a plan to develop the area that was once called Back-O-Wall. The area was the location of the city dump and a sprawling shanty town that was a breeding ground for crime.
Although this experiment devolved into a political garrison and a new "back a wall", I will give Mr. Seaga credit for dreaming of a better society. I am sure that some of the people of Tivoli have used the experiment to lift themselves out of poverty and into a better life. We must all continue to dream.
Well said👏🏽
Many doctors lawyers footballers come from right there I know my cousins are doctors dentist nurse ❤just the crime amd voilence destroy down deh
How did this place turn out to be the mother of all garrisons ?
@@winstonkeen7402becsuse that was the original intention .
Look at the place now.
@@winstonkeen7402ask again😂😂
This documentary brought tears to my eyes. True community development and nation building. What a visionary Mr. Seaga was! I have new found respect for him. ONE LOVE🇯🇲
Oh don't leave out the part where he installed dons to force the community to vote for him and ship in guns, he built and destroyed it.
@@joli8166
Interesting to say the least.
I've always disliked Seaga, and thought he was just a puppet of the United States.i watched most of this documentary, and was about to comment on this great endeavor he undertook with tivale gardens,then I came across your comment, and I'm reminded of the reasons I never liked or trusted this man.this guy has a very big hand in crime ridden Jamaica 🇯🇲 that exist today.no doubt about that.
@@realdalgayle8004 --True the USA helped him to undermined the Manley government because Maley wanted an equal life for Jamaicans. In 1980 over twenty cases of guns went missing from a ship in the middle of the ocean, used to kill hundreds of Jamaicans. The Eventide Home with than 100 old people were padlocked from the outside and set alight using petroleum jelly found only with the CIA, to blame the PNP government. Seaga built up HIS community, but Manley wanted that for the whole country. In 1976 the National housing Trust was instituted, , which housed thousands of Jamaica's poor. Tivoli gardens residents got their houses actually free, and was paying only about Ja$15 monthly, while others had to pay thousands. But it came with a price, the Dons rules Tivoli to this day
Seaga also played a role in Jamaica music . He started w.i.r.l which turned to Dynamic Sounds after a fire . Late 50s . Then went into politics .
@@robertcamble3543 That is for those who likes Reggae. The whole country NEEDED housing, medical care and jobs, to say the least
I remember those days when I was little boy from denham town I use to love and visit my cousins and friends in tivoli and love going to the library and then after watching the drum corp practicing when Paul Dushing was the drum major
Where in Denham Town? I lived in a Tenament Yard on Wellington Street. I too Loved to visit Tivoli. I remember visiting the Center where they held various activities.
@@andrenefinn704 Dumfries street at the corner of wellington Street next door denham town centre
@@paulhenry2859 OMG, I knew a childhood friend named Paul. Have an awesome day!!
@@andrenefinn704 it might be me lol or my cousin Paul from Wellington street he lives in the big yard on wellington Street
Sounds awesome
Everybody dressed decently, well groomed and no false hair back in those days, can we please bring this style back.
There is no going back… but going forward we should love ourselves a lot more🙏
Hair extensions and wigs have existed since ancient Egyptian days. It’s hilarious how people actually think these things all popped up recently 🤣
An amazing initiative to restore hope in individuals needing to experience a different kind of life has now returned to what it was prior. I will continue to pray to see a transformation in this historical community 😢🙏🏾
I see decency and respect in this. I may have been around too. I was born at jubilee hospital in Denham Town. This is my born ground
The man was a visionary. Respect
Sure he was a visionary for building the gunman factory .
The people got tricked
Most people living there are unable to read or write . Hard drugs has taken over the place and dont even mention them murdering themselves and others everyday.
Very impressive I didn't know all this, the leaders then did well and truly we can see that
To God be the Glory great things He has done. Greatness is a Humanitarian bread. Jamaica the Land we love, thanks Mr Seaga and the ones who make it possible.
When "Back a wall" was transformed into Tivoli Garden the only thing it didn't have was a fire station. it was a good initiative, however we all see how it turn out....
I remember growing up hearing about Tivoli Gardens and imagined this place being like the wild Wild West. The very first time I walked through the community after becoming a student at Tivoli Gardens Comprehensive I couldn’t believe my eyes,was this the place that people feared, that upon entering would be instant torture and death. I walked through that community five days a week, I ate at PWD,I had lunch in the community and not once did I have any need to worry or fear. Now is a total different time, the area is plagued with violence and truly lives up to it’s moniker “Mother of all garrisons”.
History lesson…BTW, PWD is no more, those were the days🙂
I saw a video of someone touring Tivoli Gardens recently and was shocked because it was not what I had formed in my mind from what I heard. This is why it is always good to check things out for ourselves because people will lead us astray with their bias opinions.
Jamaica can be dangerous… Tivoli has gotten some bad press but there are many marginal communities in Jamaica are very similar.
@nevinreid311 😂😂😂
Same, I used to attend Denham town secondary. I was a part of the track and netball team, used to trained at Tivoli high school play ground..Sometimes I am alone at the bus stop waiting on the Spanish town bus after training with no fear. How does time change 😢
I really enjoyed watching this video, it gave me a lot of insight into the history of Kingston and politics around that time.
This documentary will help bring love and great change towards peace and honor to the beautiful land of Jamaica 🇯🇲 🙏🏾 ❤️ ✨️ I am a seed of greatness, and Tivoli's beauty will rebirth. "The rose that grew from concrete." IamOmegasWill ❤
The last time Seaga toured Tivoli, he said he wished he could tear it down ..Now the mother of all garrison
Big up to west kg born and part grow seaga was about education amd improvement in his division,born right kph live right beside Denham tow station my mada move to Oxford Street I love my growing up there but that 70s election did a toll in west kg,am really happy my mom was one othe smart parents back then who took us away from the crime and voilence, 😢it was too much nah forget weh me come from.thank you for this reminiscing ❤if politics didn't step in oxford st would've look like tivoli gardens that was his plan and the next party won and that idea was shelve😢in the 80's they did build a couple buildings in rema and surroundings Though seaga was well love by tg that is why he never lose that seat ever.
When a government is in charge of a nation, they must run that country for all the people, not just their own constituencies. Edward Seaga did well for his communities, but remember it backfired when the Dons started to disrespect him. He named the dons on national tv, for the soldiers to arrest I do not remember the details in full
Gullible folk missed their was a hidden agenda and still haven't figured it out yet. Unbelievable
Wow! this is what was needed for all communities in Jamaica that surely would have given the great majority of people a chance. Instead a lot of them were forced to leave Jamaica to look for a new life abroad to find work. In so doing a lot of them experienced poor housing and general institutional racism for years. They would have been better off in a community like this documentary shows in their own country of Jamaica. Tivoli gardens back then was a thriving community and the vision for it was on point. Corruption today has prevented a lot of Jamaicans in poor communities from experiencing this kind of development. Even Britain could have learnt from such a vision back in those days, a third world country that achieved this. Wish I was brought up in such an environment that I could have thrived in that way. All benefitted from babies to pensioners. A true utopia society. I found the documentary extremely encouraging. I’ve never known a prime minister in my life time to have done this. These documentaries should be shown in schools to show parents and children how a thriving environment impacts their future.
As much as I am opposed to the politics of Mr. Seaga I admired the development of " bakka wall" into the Community of TG. Sad to see it evolved into the garrison of garrisons.
Not many can be as honest as you 👏🏽
You must be mindful of the role of propaganda and how it specifically impacted Mr. Seaga. How much of what we have learnt to accept about Mr. Seaga is true? How much is propaganda?
Were you a PNP man?
I'm 10 mins in this flim and I'm very confused how this concept didn't work out for Tiloli Garden! Because this idea is gold! What happened!?
You have a valid question, however, I am not going to attempt an answer.😀 Some research into the politics of time and the urban blight in Kingston should shed some light. Thanks for watching and for the comment/ question. Perhaps if you watch the whole thing you might get some insights.
@@TheRealJamaica lol I watched the entire thing. I take it u get this question alot hence ur hesitation to answer.
Yes, I get that question sometimes but that’s not the reason why I’m not answering. The answer may not be to the liking of everyone so I leave it to you to do some research and figure it out😀
@@TheRealJamaica gotcha. I would like to hear your point of view though if that's okay
This video is about Seaga’s arch rival’s constituency. ruclips.net/video/-oFD32uCknk/видео.html
Bear in mind that public housing in Jamaica is usually linked to political loyalty, at least in the 20th century. That is the real problem.
The politicians today should take a page from his book!
As to what respects? Can you specify?
@@devertonpasley4942To maintain the environment and people as aspired by Seaga
Loving this one thanks for sharing very information blessed love to all knowledge is power hopefully everyone pays attention keep up the good work 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Bless 🙏
People looked fine natural beauty, it is sad i can see big from then to know, please bring back that first Lovex
Boi dem days were good I can recall the free zone that was created for job creation Seaga wanted betterment for the people of the country
@@Iriequeen621 Tru dat
Omg where did all that vision went mighty God Mr seaga did a marvelous work in developing that community look how much amenities were created for the community. If Jamaica had stayed on that path we would’ve been so industrious, but a the same ppl dem mash up the community
Exactly what I should've added in my post. If the party that took over in 1972 had followed suit. Jamaica would be a first world country today.
Jamaica was really on the right path
This is the same method used in the United States...every ghetto was once a shining new "housing projects "
There is a lot of truth to that, but remember that was the model for public housing at the time. The model has proven to be unsustainable. We can’t blame Seaga for that, my feeling is that he was following the paradigm of the period. If you watch my public housing video on McIntire Villa the architect said Manley had a different view of public housing which involved low rise rather than multi story dwellings. Both McIntire Villa and the owner occupied bungalows in Tivoli have been well maintained to this day.
@therealjamaica..No disrespect but you sound gullible. You seem adamant in Championing seaga. So easily bought with a bit of money and shiny things even now. This was just a new system of slavery masquerading as redemption and seaga was the guy appointed to administer the proceedings. Do not be naive
This is shocking to watch knowing what Tivoli Gardens is now. How did it go from such a promising new development to one of the most precarious areas of the city ?
To be clear, this is propaganda film that was produced by the government of the day which developed Tivoli Gardens. It is worthwhile researching the history of the place. I will say no more.😉
No Where throughout the world is the same. I moved from Kingston in 1981; I migrated to Washington DC. Once known as " Chocolate City and The Murder Capital" in the 80s. DC is now 50 percent White people; Homes in DC now value 1 Million or more. However, once again, the rise of violence resulting in Murders has started. Every day something is going on.
Bad minded PNP happened that is the downfall of Tivoli
@@Grogu-485 😂😂 People die from lack of knowledge
They got the most help and didn't take care of it
Thank you for this great piece of history. Sadly anytime something is an "experiment" or a "project" created for poor black people, it's usually becomes a problem, why? Well because it starts off like a well oiled machine, being cultivated and cared for by it's donors and inhabitants. Until something goes wrong and the people get depressed and anxious and the donors disappear, then the machine gets rusty and can't move anymore and everyone suffers.
Wow..profound
The curses we are under. Read Deuteronomy 28.
We are the chosen children of God, who strayed from his laws and are blinded to who we are and that our God requires our obedience. So we get the curses v 15-68 instead of the blessings v 1-14. Nothing will work for us except complete obedience to the God of Israel.
I see the current pm holness trying but not hard enough!.today I saw pics of a social housing beneficiary who was crying and I was moved,I do hope his initiatives can reach thousands more!
Public housing is a tricky issue, there is the question of who should benefit and when. There is no question that Jamaica has a housing crisis. More people would be served, however, if government were to provide land and infrastructure instead of trying to construct finished houses for a few. There is a long forgotten tradition in Jamaica of community members cooperating to build homes for each other. In addition to serving far more people with the available resources, a community self help approach would build cohesion and a sense of responsibility. Both of which are sorely needed. Thanks so much for commenting.
@@TheRealJamaica valid point indeed and I do agree with you!
How was it funded. Looks like a great deal of money.
Papa Eddie. The man wasn't for no handout. He created vision and jobs for his people. RIP
This is fascinating. I guess 1972 had something to do with what happened there after.
I think so too🤔
Opposition fuc*d it up to tear down one man and destroy the constituency who would loyally vote JLP
And then after all this tivoli gardans turn out bad and in to a ghetto under the watchful eve of bruse golding smh look how beautiful Tivoli garden was back then
The plan is legendary but over time, the evolution of that community became a disaster.
Because there was a hidden agenda. Simple really
The best Prime Minister and MP in Jamaica's History.
Spent a year documenting his last political campaign... he was an extraordinary man
The best until, Andrew Holness.
Is Micheal Manley
Wow wow so it can be done
Jamaica can be uplifted
Wow, everybody under HEAVY manners! But what happened? How did we get from that wonderful utopia back then to where we are now?
@@CurtisCT Sorry… Jamaica was never Utopia. Don’t be fooled by the video
@@TheRealJamaica I agree, but that Tivoli Gardens project looks remarkably similar to the various social housing projects built in countries like Sweden, Germany and Russia in the 50's and 60's. It was the exact same concept and produced the exact same results with smiling, well-behaved and well-looked after citizens featured in similar (propaganda) documentaries.
@@CurtisCT The US projects turned out differently. I strongly suspect that Tivoli Gardens was based on the projects
@@TheRealJamaica Maybe, but that still doesn't explain what happened and how it became so run-down. Was it a matter of neglect? Lack of funds? How did Tivoli devolve into a sovereign ghetto?
@@CurtisCT The bungalows are owner occupied and well maintained. The high rises are tenant occupied and are in very poor condition. The government is the landlord.
God is love ❤️ love my people one love ❤️
And hopefully none of those youngsters end up as gunmen and waste their life’s all in the name of loyalty to politics and greediness 😢
Beautiful video, please bring back ❤ that first Love
8:00 urban renewal is negro removal ? Raising attainment through the maternity centre then the day care centre. 3 months to 3 years.
Transfer to infant school with playgrounds and meals.
Age 6 is primary school across the road giving them a grounding whilst developing curiosity towards life.
Age 12 is comprehensive school . Academic vocational etc then specialized at 15.
Arts and crafts
Home Economics
Vocational training or other programmers
Supplemented by community centre . Business learning work and play.
So it seems the opposition party influenced the political arena that brought this into a shootout alley in the late 70’s and 80’s. Seaga brought hope and advancement to the dirt poor and the future of their children.
This was one member of parliament who spent taxpayer money on the people and not only himself
Seaga was never accused of enriching himself, current politicians did not learn that lesson
Good history lesson. It would be interesting to see what has transpired over the years from this documentary and see what it’s like now. Was the experiment sustained.
That would be interesting rylisland. As you may be aware the Tivoli experiment was not without controversy. A comprehensive look at Western Kingston a half century later would be instructive.
Noooo,became the mother garrison
The experiment worked. The turning point was when the USA got involved in Jamaicans politics and wanted a particular leader to win. To do so they facilitated the import of gun and then came dons. That election was the bloodiest in jamaica's history. We are still baring the harsh fruit of that political involvement. The US saw a communist tendency. Weather that was so or not they decided to nip it at the bud....Jamaica has never been the same and Tivoli is the largest garrison in Jamaica
@@Josh-wf7de There is an interesting study/book (can’t recall the name) that looked at gun violence in the area from the 1940s. The area was fraught with problems way before independence.
Wow this is amazing, how and who destroyed this Garden and why this was such a good thing for the community????
This is a very true story.
The word of God says the poor will be poorer and the rich shall be richer still
Before being named Jamaica Information Service it was called API. I can't recall what those initials meant
Actually it was originally JIS then the PNP changed it to API (Agency for Public Information) and Seaga promptly changed it back to JIS in 1980 when he came to power.😂😂😂
HELL on earth I use to spend holidays there with my aunt she was the spiritual mother for Eddie Seaga at Ebenezer Zionist church and one of the first tenant who moved in on Keith Avenue
What does “hell on earth” mean?
I remembered Jamal, now kids are bragging about being Dunce.
That’s hilarious 😂
were you a student their?
Not sure if You're being sarcastic. No, I was not a student there. I was a kid volunteer; I escorted my grandaunt who wanted to learn how to read. While there, I helped others. Most of whom were elders. We lived Walking distance from the location, so it was a no-brainer.
@@andrenefinn704 It’s sad that the recent history of Jamaica is not known to the younger generations. Jamaica has emerged from such a bad place during colonial times and has achieved so much. It would be worth while to pause and appreciate how much progress has been made over the last 70 years.
@@bennettstephenson9090 😂
Love this vedio everyone innocent
When Jamaica was nice
Less violence but more poverty…go figure 😂
@@TheRealJamaica Shows you that poverty isn't the only cause of crime and violence.
Now i see and know for sure andrew is the worst prime minister thus far
One of the toughest political garrisons
Lee Kwan Yu saw our master plan and run wid it. We on the other hand burned our original copy of the master pan.
Not sure that story is correct @AnthonyEvelyn. Lots of Jamaicans said that about the Singaporean icon. If you look at the development choices that both countries made you won’t see many similarities. It’s true that Singapore pursued a manufacturing model but they also evolved into services. They placed a far greater emphasis on education than we did/do and their civil services were/are staffed by their best and brightest. One key takeaway is that Singapore was not a classical democracy, Lee was a benevolent dictator of sorts, that’s how he and his inner circle could achieve the phenomenal growth and development. That model had its disadvantages as well. Check it out.
@@TheRealJamaica The man himself said he came here in 1967 and was shown what the govt at the time was doing and planned to do, some ideas he took with him back to Singapore which was just a transshipment port with a big shanty town behind the huge wharfs. He came back in 1975 to see how we were progressing and was disappointed. LKY's opposite member was a eloquent speaking loquacious and verbose populist, luckily for Singapore he didn't come to power.
@@AnthonyEvelyn He definitely didn't copy the democratic socialism Manley implemented which destroyed our country.
what year was this documentary made I am guessing the late sixties early seventies but exactly when in that time . Great channel this is and a great documentary . Many I know did not like Seaga said the worse PM Jamaica ever had but I liked him and I could vote in Jamaica JLP all the way , and hope they win the next elections .
Thanks @jmartin4204. I found this documentary in my archives, it was given to me about 20 years ago for use in a UWI production about public housing in Jamaica. I assume it was a JIS production and was most likely done in the late 60s. I am not sure about the exact production date. Seaga was a visionary but not without controversy, I had the honor of working for him in a professional capacity for about a year, he was an interesting and erudite man.
@@TheRealJamaica Thank you for this , this was Tivoli Gardens in its hey day sadly in recent decades not like this anymore . It was a beautiful layout , I was around in that time I was older would live there . I passed through Tivoli Gardens over the on visit to Jamaica from the UK sadly its hey day was gone . What did PM Seaga make of his once flourishing project going into decline over the years and did he know Christopher Coke .
@@jmartin4204 I can’t say what his thoughts were, however, when I filmed him touring the area one Christmas he knew many people by name. That was remarkable!
He didn’t work with ministers of housing Wilton Hill, what he did he made himself prime minister and minister of finance, so the money was controlled by him.
Is the Kiwanis Center still up and running anyone knows?
Don’t know
When did evil step in????!!!
1494!
It step in 19 80 when jlp and the pnp started fighting for vote and start giving guns to the youth
Beautifully dressed babies sweet 💕
This whole Garden thang is American Government u can find these same Garden inna Los Angeles....Nickerson Garden Avalon Garden etc....
I believe you’re right. The Tivoli Gardens model was taken from the US.
I wish that this was copied nationwide. I don't think that Seaga was given enough credit for what he did for Western Kingston and what he wanted to do for Jamaica. His government needed at least 20 years to make a significant transformation to Jamaica. Many Jamaicans are impatient. They thought that the country wasn't moving at their speed which is the reason they voted out the JLP.
Good point, however, when one is suffering patients is not a virtue. The rhythm of Jamaican democracy is two terms. Seaga did what he could in the time he had, other leaders should have taken up the challenge of providing public housing for the poor…and in fairness some did🙏
18 key punch
Short hand and typing
Sales and cashier
Electronic
Library
Youth clubs for expression
But I don't see China people in these spaces and I wonder why !
Tivoli was a tribute to eddie seaga lebanese jewish heritage
They even cut out the part in the song and said seaga name there vewing him as there god smh you cant do that thats why Tivoli is like that
19:50
Steel bending
Masonry
Wood turning and carpentry
Cultural life like Steel Pan!
The same man who built it destroyed it.
Wow, profound!🤔
PNP destroyed it
Bingo
Stop the blame people. No need for that..
@@devertonpasley494215:50 2 Africans on that board. West Kingston trust is China people !?
Business and industry dominating these spaces
The people should be hopeful?
21:00 Steel Pan says Better Mus Come.
22:20 who is that ?
A swear this scene 26:15 is completely staged...🤣. I also like the part about 2 man police team having nothing to do and that people walk about freely day and night without fear, yet, burglar bars (grille) are seen on the flats.
Lol you are correct it was a staged scene but that is common in films like this. Bear in mind this is a propaganda or PR film for the Government of the time. Thanks for watching!👍
@@TheRealJamaica You're welcome, it was a pleasure.
If memory serves me correct that so called Police post or police station was shut down after one of it’s enforcers went inside dismissed the two I.S.C.F that were working and removed a man that ran inside for protection. He was thereafter neutralized.
Farce is a farce
Based on what was said at the end, this was recorded 10 years after its development. Do you really think that if so much effort was placed in people's personal development, they would have to have been closely policed? The question I have is what happened in the 70's? Was it enhanced or systematically destroyed?
When I watch this all I can think is ( what went wrong )....jah jah
You're comparing 60 and 70s to today's society with Social Media that has a huge impact worldwide
@@andrenefinn7041963 they laid out the scheme. Isn't that Coral Massacre ?
@andrenefinn704 27:00
1000 dwelling units
High rise rental units 1/3
2/3 are terrace, duplex and single unit bungalows.
More desirable on more costly
Planning line and lay out
Rental units not concentrated in one unit
29:15 what song?
@@londonbowcat1 Jamaican folk song
Mek me hold your hand gal…..is the name of the song😊
What happened
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Jamaica happened
When did all this change!! I will say politics..cuz Tivoli now is a Dump!!! Wudn live dh so prfr go ochi
Many ask this question. Remember this is a propaganda film made for the architect of Tivoli! You are right about the effects of politics that and many other communities in Jamaica. Thanks for the comment, please subscribe