@Installation00 Bro what’s really interesting is the slipspace drives where every FTL drive contains a small black hole within each drive core. So how the mechanics of slipstream space truly works? So you have a wormhole and one black hole, You take one end of the wormhole and you push it right into the black hole so when this happens the wormhole’s rift falls past the singularity and is distorted in unexplainable ways...Creating a whole new dimension of space known as Slipspace; Since wormholes have zero spacetime between each rift and black holes have a very infinite region of spacetime within an infinitely tiny point, That definitely explains the effects of slipstream space. Fun fact: So how the covenant FTL drives work is that they use the casimir effect to create slipspace ruptures which they use very little energy to do so, Though where as the human Shaw-Fujikawa translight engine require an ungodly amount of energy and extremely powerful ultra hyperpowered particle accelerators to do the job.
You are assuming that 343 studios give a fuck about anything Bungie had planned before they stopped working on the Halo series. That is the same mistake as Star Wars fans made in assuming Disney gave a fuck about making actually good star wars movies that told a good narrative.
@@ceilyurie856 Well Disney did still make Rogue One and Solo: a Star Wars story, both of which were fine. It's the sequel trilogy in SW that's basically garbage and only 5 was really really terrible. 343 has at least tried correcting post h5 whereas Disney truly doesn't give a fuck. Infinite is just wrapping up the shitty parts of 5 so we can get something interesting.
Intelligent life seems to abide by those rules. If orcas have been shown to have the capacity to exert cruelty. Orcas torture baby seals as a game with other female orcas. Dolphins torture pufferfish to get high. Cruelty is not a human thing.
@skitzocalypso _ you're allowed to think that. I think you're wrong. The idea that we can effect the climate sounds to me like an 8 year old saying, " I am the most important thing in the world." I remember reading that the eruption of mt st helens released more sulphur dioxide, carbon dioxide and other pollutants into the atmosphere than humans have since the beginning of the industrial revolution. We are powerless in comparison to the forces of nature that surround us.
@skitzocalypso _ it was a long time ago. I can't find anything that doesn't mention "climate denyers", so obviously those sources are biased and cannot be trusted. Therefore I must throw that argument away and concede. However, you have to admit the political aspects of the "climate change" movement. I suggest you watch a couple videos. One is a Nobel laureate in physics, the other is Freeman Dyson (one of the great minds of the 20th century). Their age shows that they are beholden to no one and will speak truth because they can. Look around on that channel and you will see accomplished scientists saying things like 90% of the "greenhouse effect" on earth is caused by water vapour and this fact is always ignored. ruclips.net/video/LyztWNW2HsM/видео.html ruclips.net/video/BiKfWdXXfIs/видео.html
10:59 An interesting thing is that Ancient Human Empire (AHE) weapons technology was stated to be singularly-superior to Forerunner weapons technology, at least at the time when the AHE fought the Ecumene. The Didact himself said that 'with the aid of the San Shyuum, Humanity was able to develop offensive implements that my warrior-servants had no defense against', and that helped them to hold off for longer against the exponentially-higher amount of Forerunner forces bearing down upon them. Forerunner technology was superior in almost if not all other fields, but the AHE were able to completely nullify the defenses of their enemies. The significance of this is because the most-powerful and favored assets that the Created would have at their disposal are Forerunner war machines. If the UNSC & allies manage to reverse-engineer a technology that can completely ignore the defenses of said Forerunner tech, then it would provide a massive increase in resistance potential.
Not only that - remember that the ancient Humans were fighting a two front war. They were SIMULTANEOUSLY fighting the Forerunner AND the Flood. And they BEAT the Flood. They then refused, even in defeat, even being punished with a humiliating de-evolution, to ever reveal to the Forerunners how Humans were able to defeat the Flood.
@@SubduedRadical wow i didnt know that AHE were so strong (or maybe they find a way to nullify forerunners shields) to fight that war, and they even defeted the flood ( if i remember correctly they dindt defest the flood, they just find a way to fight the flood without getting infected) but i dont remember correctly.
@@ergo6289 I don't remember the details, and some people say it was more the Flood withdrew from the Humans to make the Forerunner THINK the Humans knew how to fight them so the Forerunner would freak out about it...but it's not really clear. That's the terrifying thing about the Flood - they aren't just zombies, when they get enough biomass, it also makes them ultra-level intelligent as well. But the Ancient Humans were nearly on par with the Forerunner in technology and fighting capability, and were fighting a two front war up until they pushed the Flood back/they Flood withdrew. Either way, they were total badasses.
@@SubduedRadical The Flood withdrew on purpose. I don't remember if this was in the book but one theory was that the Primordial was testing humanity to see if they were still worthy of the Mantle. I believe the other was that the Flood withdrew to trick the Forerunners into obsessing over a nonexistent cure so they would waste time and resources on finding out what is. Basically toying with them so they wouldn't be prepared and would look for a solution that didn't exist. Both theories hold a lot of weight. The Gravemind loved to mentally and physically torture his enemies, especially Forerunners. Also, the Flood didn't attack Earth before the Halo Rings until the Librarian transmitted a signal from Earth, even though it most certainly was within a Burn by then and completely defenseless free biomass.
Me and someone else deeply involved in Halo lore started arguing about the actual origins of Covenant weapons. They use Plasma, Forerunners don’t use plasma weaponry. However, it appears that Ancient Humanity did. Especially when you remember humanity *glassed* planets that had a flood presence. The logical conclusion: The Covenant was using Human tech against humans.
The San'Sayuum where allied with ancient humans during the time of the Human/Forerunner war , so the San'Sayuum were able to rediscover a lot of their lost technology during the creation of the Covenant via artifact finds(although, they had long forgot the technology was originally their/ancient humans)
Theory: Maybe fibril cutters use neural physics as projectiles in the same vein as MAC rounds to punch through ships? We know ancient humanity had extensive interactions with precursor neural physics constructs in places like Charum Hakkor so perhaps ancient humanity developed weaponry based upon it. This would also fit the description of weapons deployed during the human-forerunner war that the didact “had no effective defense against”.
@MinecraftPro15 Whose to say that they didn't outfit their units with those weapons, becoming more common as Ancient Humanity advanced in tech and decresed in numbers as the war dragged on? The Forerunners still held technological superiority in almost everything else and exponentially-outnumbered the Human forces. If the Humans can destroy 1000 ships per fight but the Forerunners can send out and replace 3000 in the same time, it's no surprise that Ancient Humanity got overwhelmed.
As for Fibril weapons, the definition of "fibrillation" is "rapid uncoordinated twitching of muscle fibers". Maybe the weapons did something similar, but to matter itself? Imagine this: the weapon would send out a pulse or beam of energy that destabilizes the cohesion of the target's matter, causing targetted areas to have particles randomly and violently jolt amd flux. The sudden movement of these particles would cause atomic colllisions and cause massive damage as a result of the atoms being smashed against each other. At least, that's my idea of it.
@@fadelsukoco3092 there's a similar concept in nuclear reactors called neutron embrittlement, wherein high-velocity neutrons impact the walls of the reactor causing spallation. Essentially, pieces of molecules are stripped off and bounced around at high speed, a bit like a billiard ball causing other billiard balls to strike the sides of the table.
Wait...is this the ship from the Master Chief Collection Halo 1/CE terminal reports? I remember one of them showing a ship crashes and Guilty Spark tries to talk to them, but they don't respond, so after some time he has his drones built a sarcophagus around it. Is that what this is...?
Ark(c?) Dream could refer to the UNSC Infinity and Eternity. Anyways, thanks for another great video, Joe! (I assume that's your name based on the LinkedIn link on the Discord screen in the video)
@@Installation00 makes sense i guess. But here it is 2:35 so it is a bit early/ or late. But i'm studying thats why i'm up right know. Just saw the notfication and desided to pop on over :)
Well we have confirmation from a 343 dev that there will be loot boxes but they will not be monetized. Let's hope the only thing they sell are map packs
It’s gonna be in halo infinite trust me halo 5 made way to much money with its micro transactions if ain’t broke don’t fix it right? Why not include a viable money printer
Isaiah Mendiola honestly there’s nothing inherently wrong with loot boxes as long as they are handled well and unobtrusive. I think I’m Infinite they definitely could monetize it, maybe reserve the microtransactions for just cosmetics like skins.
@@mixmaster2909 343 already said they aren't going to add micro transactions, they know that including them would drastically decrease the sales of the game because of the backlash of Halo 5
Halo 5’s biggest issue with microtransactions was how long the grind was. The fact that you can choose to grind for unlocks was good, but players like myself who refuse to buy req packs are forced to wait a very long time for important unlocks like Kinetic Bolt weapons, DMRs and other miscellaneous upgrades. This can be pretty disadvantageous in Warzone PvP and arguably just as pay-to-win as apps like Clash of Clans. Hopefully if they implement a similar system in Infinite, they at least don’t force you to grind silver packs for 600+ hours before you get to move on to legendary packs, etc. That said, it’s far from the worst offender as far as loot boxes goes.
Ancient humans were extremely powerful and advanced during their time, I never got to know enough lore about them. So I’m extremely grateful for this analysis.
I remember hearing somewhere that the Milky Way in the Halo universe has nearly two hundred known sapient species, and even more were wiped out before they were ever discovered during the Forerunner-Flood War, especially the firing of the Array. Eventually, we _will_ learn enough about ancient humanity to strip away that sense of mystery surrounding them, too. Where do you think Halo will go next?
Zonda1996 yeah that was always such an outlier for me. Seems odd they would put the effort to set up something mysterious like the crashed ship but not go anywhere with that plot point. I hope it gets picked up in the future
@@brandonmiller9155 Pretty much throughout the entire series, more subtly at some points then others. But the biggest one was in H3 from Guilty Spark when he turned of Chief near the end. Might not get this entirely right off memory alone but the line was along the lines of "You are the children of my makers, inheritors of all they created, you ARE Forerunner. But this ring, is mine"
BLADESTER128 for as long as I can remember it’s always been that humanity was supposed to reclaim the mantle, but I’ll admit when I was 10 I didn’t understand the lore as much as I do now, and I may be retroactively placing information from further along back into older titles.
Awesomeness Network every time spark implied chief was forerunner was before geas was written in to the lore, it’s a direct retcon specifically to explain this plot hole they invented. Halo 1, you ‘know’ how to use the installation’s tech instinctively and spark talks to you as if you are from his makers. 2, including anniversary terminals, heavily indicates that the Covenant has been wrong about their view of the Galaxy, and 3 is all about finding an ancient portal on the ancient human home world, terminals don’t make any mention of humanity, and do say “welcome, my child” and “lineage confirmed” in reverse when you’re accessing them. The secondary antagonist of the entire series directly, to your face, tells you that you are the child of his makers. Reclaimer and Inheritor weren’t just neat titles when they wrote this stuff, they were literal descriptions. I don’t have an issue with the current story because it has a ton of interesting parts and has expanded the universe a whole lot, but this isn’t the story some of us spent 3 games and multiple books growing up with.
To be fair the mystery still remains with Halo. But now it’s the history of ancient humanity, the Precursors, the alien ship that landed on Alpha Halo, and also just how much Forerunner tech is in the galaxy. Not to mention the history of all the Covenant races and Covenant Fringe
I was always curious about ancient human ships and there’s barely any mention of finding derelicts or ruins. Considering they were also rivals of the forerunners there should’ve been a lot more artifacts found tbh🤷🏾♂️
Reggie Delorme 343 did give us an example of ancient human ship being found. In halo 5, the Hell Cat armor is supposed to be based off of an ancient human suit that was recovered and reverse engineered after being found inside a crashed ship
When forerunners deevolved humans they destroyed every trace of their civilization that they could. One of the reason the only things we have found is a ship is because it was probably floating in the middle of no where and space is a big place
I know it's a pretty minor quibble in the overall topic, but I would contend that the ship in the background of Reach's end scene does not look particularly advanced. It's just UNSC cruiser design language that's been compressed in the vertical, scaled down to frigate size (probably, the perspective on the painting makes it hard to tell but to my eyes it doesn't look like it could be much larger than the wrecked frigate closer to the foreground), and painted white. We know 2552 frigates were capable of hovering in atmosphere, even in close proximity to the ground, albeit partially with the aid of thrusters. It's not unreasonable to assume that 30 odd years of development, and reverse engineering of Covenant gravity systems that were already capable of keeping ships aloft all on their own, could reduce the involvement of thrusters to minimal levels or remove their need altogether (especially if we get meta and take into account that scene was made before the Created conflict and its fallout on human industrial capabilities became a thing). As well Halo 4 showed that the UNSC started painting at least some of its ships white by 2558 (going meta again, though, that choice might have been made solely to conform with the featured vessel) and that practice expanding over the following three decades is well within the realm of possibility. In short, it simply looks like a natural near term evolution of the then established UNSC ship aesthetic. Also, I'm assuming from the light colored bar on the very front that looks very much like a window that it's not a combat vessel, which further reinforces my assumption that it's towards small end in size. I'd assume some sort of scientific or survey vessel, given the context. I don't think we'll truly ever find out for sure, though, so I suppose all our interpretations are equally valid until or unless I'm proven wrong on that last point.
Remember that humans really like putting windows on their combat vessels in Halo. Even the covenant hide their control centers deep in the ship, but not humanity or ancient humanity nooooo.
I think we're going to find a ancient human ship on Zeta halo, but still useable and operable, and that it's going to be our main weapon against the created. Since they had some unknown weapon, that weapons could be strong enough to destroy guardians, or the ship itself is immune to the emp of guardians
The Didact said in either Cryptum or Primordium that "with the assistance of the San Shyuum, Humanity created offensive technologies to which my warrior servants had no defense against". Ancient Human weaponry could hard-counter Forerunner defenses to that degree, so anything regarding the technology that the allied species could scrounge up and back-engineer would definitely help to tip the scales. Especially if they can get it to shoot first at a Guardian. Guardians are policing machines ment to enforce order on unruly elements and 'lesser' species, they were piss-poor war machines compared to the Forerunners' dedicated warships, which Ancient Human weapons could completely bypass the defenses of.
Guardians are only police cars by Forerunner standars, a AHE Warship can go to to toe with Sojourners, a single AHE ship could wipe out all guardian and the Created, and that single ship by himself would allow the UNSC to conquer the Galaxy... so I dunno about that...
If 343i were to make some kind of game or cinematic media about Ancient Humanity, I’d be delighted if Neil Davidge was chosen to score its soundtrack. In my opinion, he defined the Ancient Human sound with the piece “Haven” from Halo 4’s ost, which appears in terminal 2, which is also shown throughout this video.
I've been rather interested in the ancient humans in Halo. I enjoy the highly advanced technology they had and their story or well pieces of it. Kinda glad Halo 5 had the hellcat armor, pretty much the only armor in that game I liked and the simple lore about it. Still be happy when I see more information. I'm also still VERY interested in Reach and just how important the planet actually is. Pre ordered Shadows Of Reach on audible
Archdream could mean archetypal dream, which in the context of halo would fit the description of a geas: A specific set of unexplainable and precise dreams that most of mankind seem to have.
The Ancient Humans were said to have developed weapons which the Forerunner warriors had no defense against. Since Cortana now controls a massive army of Forerunner war machines, it seems appropriate for resistant UNSC forces to get their hands on some of this Ancient Human technology. You didn't mention that the Hellcat Mjolnir Armor variant is based on Ancient Human armor discovered in the vaults of a crashed starship. Since the UNSC has already based at least some of their technology on these designs, it makes me wonder how much knowledge Cortana has on these locations. I'm really hoping Halo Infinite doesn't leave us in one single location for the entirety of the game. I would like to visit more than one location of interest and this starship would make for a great location. Even if we don't get any direct use out of it, it would probably be a good idea to try and scuttle it. I wouldn't trust Cortana with a starship like that. Back in 2015 I discussed on the Waypoint forums the possibility that Ancient Human imprints may be influencing modern day humanity, to the point that I believe Dasc Gevadim and the Triad may have been given information by them. I would love to see a resurgence of Ancient Humanity in the future.
Can you make a video on whether the Covenant knew about ancient humans before they knew that current humanity were the "Reclaimer". and if they ever found any ancient humanities technology and assumed it were the forerunners.
@@TheSenorAwesome and thats why I said "on whether the Covenant knew about ancient humans before they knew that current humanity were the "Reclaimer"."
Red Elite I doubt any records from that period survived. The San’Shyuum homeworld, Janjur Qom, was hit by a direct Halo strike during an uprising before the Forerunner-Flood War. Living members of the species were all but wiped out, and I’m sure physical records of their history were destroyed by time and the elements before the reseeded San’Shyuum restored some semblance of their civilization. The San’Shyuum didn’t start worshipping the Forerunners until they rediscovered Forerunner relics on their planet.
I'm more of the mindset that the resisting factions will pool their resources and knowledge together and create advanced, multi species spacecraft. You can easily say that the end of Reach spaceship is a UNSC themed spacecraft that is designed and built from the ground up with Engineer, Elite as well as already reverse engineered Forerunner tech in mind. Taking the lessons learned from the Infinity and further evolving it with more knowledge and tech
Fibral cutters? You mean scissors right? That’s basically what that means it think? Fibral sounds like fiber which can be used for bed sheets which can be cut by scissors.
Honestly, I think this is the problem with 343i and Microsoft at the higher levels, and it doesn't end with them its industry wide across entertainment. The problem in my opinion is that 343i has yet to make Halo their game, it is still very much Bungie's and Microsoft's game. Sure they've made changes and brought in new ideas, but they haven't broken away and come into their own. They have a very wide world to explore and they haven't done it yet. I think Halo Infinte if handled correctly going forward could be their way to do that. Halo Infinte provides the best platform for 343i to make Halo their own game and move forward with ideas and stories that we would've never thought of. FIrst the most important thing though they need to stop making books for what happens between the games or at least give us some kind of cutscene/montage of the things that happen between games if they want to keepdoing it that way. Back to the other stuff now, Halo Infinte provides the perfect platform to launch Master Chiefs story into its end. The Believe Campaign has already been made cannon, so we know at some point soon Master Chief goes MIA at least. Continue Halo Infinte and the Zeta Halo story with The Endless, but don't wrap it up there. If it were me, I would have Master Chief fight the Endless on Zeta Halo similar to the way Noble Six fought the Covenant on Reach. I don't think anyone would mind a similar ending as that but with a Master Chief flare to it, which of course means blowing up Zeta Halo. But a slight twist, before this happens build up the next story to come. If these last six games were considered the Reclaimer Saga, lets end it with something big, something that can already be said to have started in Infinite's campaign and open world. Let's bring Ancient Humanity back into the fold. Let Chief send a warning back to the UNSC and information gathered on Zeta Halo about Ancient Humanity, before going dark and being deemed M.I.A. Have this saga end with Humanity Reclaiming and openly being made aware of their Ancient Heritage and history. From there we can move on and 343i can finally make this theirs. Start a new saga with new characters but don't erase Master Chiefs accomplishments. Show us just how much of his legacy is passed on, introduce a brand new Spartan Program based on the Ancient Humans, Have Halsey trying to create a new John, Blue Team out leading and training this new generation of Spartans. Show us just how much Master Chief meant to the Halo Universe, but this isn't the core of the story moving forward. Now I would call this the Mantle Sage/Era (name doesn't matter). Here we have humanity take up the Mantle, just not the one the Precursors thought us ready for. Instead we take up a new spartan, who with the rest are taking up the mantle of not only Master Chief but Ancient Humanity, not claiming their spot but finishing what they could not. Now despite what I said earlier, we could use a book or two to claim some time between the stories. The Endless are let loose on the Galaxy and they're not taking any prisoners, whether its the Humans or the Covenant they are taking out everyone they deem to be in their way. But ONI being ONI know what their goal is and it isn't like they've been hiding it, they want the Mantle left by the Precursors, that they believe is rightfully theirs. With this we bring Halo back to a period of war. But not normal war, this is an entirely new theater, Humans step out with entirely new technology, weapons, armor everything, and our flagship of course is the Eternity now completed with everything we've gained from the Infinity and the Ancient Human technology that has been either hidden by ONI or retrieved from Chiefs final message. Continuing on our new Spartan is not the big hero, not like Chief, so give us fireteams to play with a mix of Spartan IV's and V's. (They did it in H5 and it was a nice addition) With our new spartan and fireteam, let us join the war completing missions across the galaxy as we try to combat the Endless and get to the Mantle before them, only out of fear of what this might be (the mistaken belief that there is another super-weapon like the Halo Array). With this we can bring out the deeper lore and history of Halo and bring it to the forefront. Of course we're not going to have another six games dedicated to this one thing. But with this fight for the Mantle, we can bring back/out other threats. The flood can finally make a return and imagine them with the Endless as host, The Gravemind can comeback, the actually Precursors can maybe make a comeback.
Infinite is gluing to be a long term product designed as a sequel to MCC not halo 5. Matrick era Microsoft/xbox fucked around and dug their influence into halo 4 involving cortana, for the purpose of advertising their new voice assistant by the same name. Halo 5 was saddled with this and other design flaws and political crap. A lot behind the scenes is going on to drive the game in bad directions but there is a strong chance halo infinite is a major course correction. Infinite will have free maps, free guns, free multiplayer content of all stripes and will see a seasonal destiny esque story expansion monetization platform along with a secondary monetization scheme, likely a bit aggressive but tolerable if you buy the season pass which includes story content. Story content will drive creation of art assets for multiplayer, forge and player customization. The focus of infinite vanilla story will be to solve story problems, tease major things to come, likely trigger a large web reaction for publicity by throwing a curve ball, and set the stage to tie up other plotlines. Infinite's main campaign will be chief driven and focused DLC will be other spartans and elites. Elites will probably end up in multiplayer but as a year 1 dlc release. Chief will get mini dlcs set in lore sections that were in print or comics. I suspect ancient humans, prophets, flood, precursor will all be the long game, the short term is dealing with the created, the banished, and the rebel human factions clashing with ONI and UN politicians.
@@Nyx_2142 It'd nice to have that, but I'd still like to have the mystique of whether or not Erde Tyrene/Earth/Terra *IS* the Cradle of Archaeo Homini/Ancient Humanity as originally portrayed in the Bornstellar Trilogy.
Here's a thought the Precursors chose ancient humanity as inheritors of the mantle of responsibility but is current humanity in the halo universe even still worthy of it or have the forerunners screwed that up when they de evolved us despite the best intentions of the librarian to fix there mistake
It depends if they retuned all their books back to the Librarian and avoided a late fee. (Halo files yet undiscovered discovered because they are in a basement without a light bulb and a crayon sign that says beware of the tiger GRRR)
@@Cndr86 According to the Ur-Didact, ancient humans considered themselves to be the true inheritors of the Mantle. We've never heard of ancient humans themselves bring up the Mantle in any capacity. How true Ur-Didact's statement is unknown right now.
@@Spartan-343 The Precusors were wiped out because they chose Humanity to inherit the Mantle and the Forerunners threw a hissy fit and genocided them. So.. the Forerunners didn't exactly prove the Precursors wrong, if anything they reinforced the point.
@@Nyx_2142According to the Gravemind that is what happened. How true that is remains to be seen. Remember it was the Gravemind who said this and he was saying to the Ur-Didact (whom it was trying to corrupt). What I said was in the Forerunner Saga we've never heard an ancient human speak about the Mantle or even mention the word. The only source we have on them thinking they were the Mantle's rightful inheritors is the Ur-Didact. I'm sure there's truth in both Gravemind's and Ur-Didact's words, but how much? We don't know yet.
Ancient Humanity Scientific and technical knowledge should have always been a cornerstone for the UEG and UNSC once they were found out. The Reclamation should have been modern humanity reclaiming their Ancient Humanity which was in fact also Precursor and the Forerunner would have been reconnected to this ancient triumvirate. Ancient Humanity was an Equal to the Forerunners not their subjects, fighting a two front galactic war would wear down any empire. Also what information are there on the other species that lived alongside the AH and 4runners? Also imagine what a Ancient Humanity Forerunner Alliance would have been like,Wow!
When I hear "fibril cutters," I think back to the Halo 4 terminals in which we see what appears to be a Flood infected Ancient Human ship being cut open and boarded by the Didact's Promethean Knights. The lack of FSC could definitely be a testament to the effectiveness of the Didact's Prometheans. If I remember correctly, they were highly effective against the Flood, but he did not have the numbers great enough to make a difference and turn the tide of the war.
Hear me @Installation00 Wolf wit da beans is onto something with spark, actually most forerunner A.I/Bio-digital-intelligence has good reason to side with humanity against Cortana. Most of them want humanity to claim the mantle (not the created). I expect Spark, Intrepid Eye, little-bit and maybe even bias to get some more screen time in the future.
Why would archiohomina tech be simpler to recreate than forerunner tech, especially if they where of equivalent levels of technology? That's not how technology works. Take the F1 rocket engine used on the Saturn V rocket. We stopped building F1 boosters in the early 70s. Since then there where 2 separate attempts to recreate this engine. Once by the Russians for their Buran lunch vehicle and once by NASA for the cancelled Constellation program. Both attempts failed. Both attempts did produce viable engine and the Russians actually flew theirs once but neither was a clone of the F1 engine. The Russians could not replicate the single massive exhaust valve assembly tutu an inability to manufacture a durable enough engine Bell and we're forced to use a quad spell assembly instead that is for smaller engine Bells. NASA and the companies that actually built the F1 found let the institutional memory of all of the small necessary refinements that were made during construction of these engines had been lost. You see the F-1 engines phloem during the Apollo program we're essentially handcrafted and each was unique. Despite having a full set of engineering calculations and blueprints and schematics NASA couldn't make the engine work. We know the works it put over a dozen men on the moon. That's what 50 years did to real human technology we have the blueprints for. Imagine what being separated by thousands of years and no common language would do
David Edens because both Ancient Humanity and the Forerunners used genetic locks in their technologies, which is why species like the Sangheili and the San Shyumm aren’t able to access consoles on a lot of Forerunner consoles in their constructs. Simply for the fact that humans share the same genes as ancient humans, their technology would be much more easy to access and utilise in order to reverse engineer, especially all the medical and enhancement tech
What would the covenant think of ancient humanity. And this is just a what if, what if covenant tech is actually reverse engineered human tech and the covenant before the invasion of earth found out
The forerunners could have been handled much better. They were the definition of *"ABSENCE"* in Halo, with their constructs being all that was left behind. With the Promethians and didact, and all the other cluster f*cks that hay 343 introduced, they lost the sense of absence that defined them so clearly.
What I'm curious about is what happened to the Ancient Humanity Warships-? Well more importantly, what happened to the majority of those that Ancient Humanity used when the Forerunner' s were at their height of power? I know Humanity got knocked back down to a primitive state. I assumed that 100% of them were destroyed, but ut seems some may have survived. I find that Ancient Humanity's ships are interesting by design. And assuming that the capital ship of question would be brought back to earth to be studied more.
It's worth noting that ancient humanity had been combating the flood long before the forerunners even became aware of it. Ancient humanity was fighting a war on two fronts, head to head I'd wager if humanity had only been fighting the forerunners they would have won.
I doubt it. The Forerunner empire was more vast, and still had a technological edge. Regardless of a some what equal footing military; Ancient Humanity’s defeat was a matter of time. The Forerunners also had technology that allowed them to effectively freeze space time and tear ships apart with gravimetric fields. No mention of Ancient Humans having technology that advanced. By the time the Human-Forerunner War was at its height the Flood had also already left the galaxy. It’s speculated in-fiction that the Flood did this to draw both civilizations to war to weaken them so they would be easier prey when the Flood returned.
@@ninboy01 True, but according to the Librarian, even after the Ancient Human Empire (AHE) had the majority of their empire either spaceraped by the Flood or glassed in response to such, with a crippled military desperately running from the threat and the Forerunners having the ability to jam AHE Slipspace travel and predict where human ships would exit, thus allowing the Forerunners to set up perfect ambushes and dictate almost every battle, they still took over a millennium to get to Charum Hakkor. And that was when the Forerunners onlu had to deal with AHE forces defending their greatest strategically-important places, as part of the Didact's "Starhopping stratagem. After 53 years of getting nowhere useful on Charum Hakkor, thr San Shyuum let the Didact through the defenses in exchange for NOT getting biologically devolved. The Didact believed that Humanity was the gteatest threat to the Forerunners in history, and the Librarian believed that the wars with the AHE (as well as postwar Forerunner political bullshit) weakened the Ecumene enoigh for the Flood to win the way that they did. This is also why the Flood suddenly stopped attacking human worlds mid-war, they wanted the AHE to rebound and wear down the Forerunners as well as spreading the lie of the "Flood Cure"
@@ninboy01 Ancient Humanity sacrificed an entire 3rd of their population at the end of their war with the Flood, let alone how many they lost during it. With their alliance with the San Shyuum, and in a situation without the Flood, they definitely had a strong chance of winning. The Didact even comments on the fact that the Humans and San Shyuum had developed weapons they were completely defenseless against. And as the other commenter said, even with the Forerunners advanced technology and Humanity's weakened state, the humans still held on for over a millenia. And I've never heard that flood theory, ever. I have heard that the Primordial was testing the Humans to see if they were still worthy of the Mantle. And the other being the Primordial did it to trick the Forerunners into obsessing over a nonexistent cure to torment them and leave the unprepared. The testing Humanity theory has some merit as even when the Forerunners only existed on the Arks, the Flood never touched Earth. It was completely defenseless and had free biomass but it wasn't attacked until the Librarian sent a transmission from it. Then you have moments from the game where the Flood didn't attack Earth until the Ark portal was open and even then used the opportunity to attack the Ark anyway. In short, the Flood has only attacked Earth when provoked into doing so.
Cool video! The only issue is, as of Halo Reach, Humans were Forerunners, which 343 unnecessarily retconned. So, when Bungie put that ship in, it wouldn’t have had anything to do with “ancient humans,” since that didn’t exist in their lore. Might be more likely humanity advanced technologically after reverse-engineering Covenant and Forerunner technologies post war.
The first 40 seconds are what put me off from the franchise alltogether. It was fun while it lasted, but, adding things on top of each other endlessly is just too much. There has to be a conclusive to it when its at its peak.
This is a minor criticism: Can you please specify in future videos, where you talk about starships, especially ones belonging to a certain race and/or faction, that you are not actually going to talk about starship classes/types but are instead going to be focusing on something entirely different? Basically: Please don’t lie about the subject. I thought this video was going to be about different types of starships, but it was only about one specific ship that ONI found, and their report on said ship. That is not a problem. That is s good topic for a video: I just want you to be honest about the topic of the video. Its already hard enough to find good information about Ancient Human/Forerunner ships, so it was really disappointing that this video did not explain any different ship types.
I've always been somewhat lukewarm towards the mystery of the forunners being unravelled and all the crazy lore around ancient humanity and such, especially as most of it doesn't even come to the fore in the games (until Halo 4 I guess, where there's a big exposition dump). It'll be interesting to see if much of this stuff comes up in Halo infinite
We're also not going to acknowledge that the Forerunners are potentially still alive in path cathona?? 26th century humans have this information from the Forerunners terminals but no one has sent a ship to explore that area?? They have have advanced slip space capabilities. Why not go visit path cathona???
Shouldn't the UNSC be finding more ancient wreckage of humanity I get they got massacred but like look at space now with all those junk satellites floating around
I don't think it's ancient humanity. I think it's future humanity cast back in time. Self fulfilling time line etc. But who or what cast them back..... And when.....
Robson Rover Repair Ancient Humanity were literally created by the Precursors, just like the Forerunners. They were both test species to take on the Mantle after the Precursors left
Halo before Halo game anyone? I wanna play as a ancient human or forrunner millions of years ago, so yes no covenant, no BRs, no spartans, just promethean technology and flood. Yay!
What if they find a living acient human lol that survived would be cool but properly wouldnt happen bc the halos do a good job of wiping out living forms but if the flood could service maybe posible for a human to servive
They really need to make a game of when humanity fought in the 2080-2180s wars, the rainforest wars, mars and jovian moons that would be really good, pretty similar to A cod infinite game
Ikr! I really wanna know the _Modern_ Human Empire lore too! How did we get from Earth, now- to an intergalactic empire?! Must've been one hell of a ride, cause out tech really ain't as good as it should be in 26th century.
There is something that happens in this video which is peculiar and I will be covering in my next video. It has some very VERY important implications!
Dude it's like 3 in the morning for me, how lucky I am that I decided to stay up late.
@Installation00 Bro what’s really interesting is the slipspace drives where every FTL drive contains a small black hole within each drive core. So how the mechanics of slipstream space truly works? So you have a wormhole and one black hole, You take one end of the wormhole and you push it right into the black hole so when this happens the wormhole’s rift falls past the singularity and is distorted in unexplainable ways...Creating a whole new dimension of space known as Slipspace; Since wormholes have zero spacetime between each rift and black holes have a very infinite region of spacetime within an infinitely tiny point, That definitely explains the effects of slipstream space.
Fun fact: So how the covenant FTL drives work is that they use the casimir effect to create slipspace ruptures which they use very little energy to do so, Though where as the human Shaw-Fujikawa translight engine require an ungodly amount of energy and extremely powerful ultra hyperpowered particle accelerators to do the job.
Anything to do with the wall scrbings we see in the 2018 trailer?
You are assuming that 343 studios give a fuck about anything Bungie had planned before they stopped working on the Halo series. That is the same mistake as Star Wars fans made in assuming Disney gave a fuck about making actually good star wars movies that told a good narrative.
@@ceilyurie856 Well Disney did still make Rogue One and Solo: a Star Wars story, both of which were fine. It's the sequel trilogy in SW that's basically garbage and only 5 was really really terrible. 343 has at least tried correcting post h5 whereas Disney truly doesn't give a fuck. Infinite is just wrapping up the shitty parts of 5 so we can get something interesting.
Forthencho: "Once, we were one great race, united in power and concerted in our goals..."
Forthencho - Halo version of Warhammer God Emperor of Mankind
Intelligent life seems to abide by those rules.
If orcas have been shown to have the capacity to exert cruelty. Orcas torture baby seals as a game with other female orcas.
Dolphins torture pufferfish to get high.
Cruelty is not a human thing.
skitzocalypso _ The climate of Earth always changes and always will. The geological record shows that.
@skitzocalypso _ you're allowed to think that. I think you're wrong. The idea that we can effect the climate sounds to me like an 8 year old saying, " I am the most important thing in the world." I remember reading that the eruption of mt st helens released more sulphur dioxide, carbon dioxide and other pollutants into the atmosphere than humans have since the beginning of the industrial revolution. We are powerless in comparison to the forces of nature that surround us.
@skitzocalypso _ it was a long time ago. I can't find anything that doesn't mention "climate denyers", so obviously those sources are biased and cannot be trusted. Therefore I must throw that argument away and concede.
However, you have to admit the political aspects of the "climate change" movement. I suggest you watch a couple videos. One is a Nobel laureate in physics, the other is Freeman Dyson (one of the great minds of the 20th century). Their age shows that they are beholden to no one and will speak truth because they can. Look around on that channel and you will see accomplished scientists saying things like 90% of the "greenhouse effect" on earth is caused by water vapour and this fact is always ignored.
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10:59 An interesting thing is that Ancient Human Empire (AHE) weapons technology was stated to be singularly-superior to Forerunner weapons technology, at least at the time when the AHE fought the Ecumene. The Didact himself said that 'with the aid of the San Shyuum, Humanity was able to develop offensive implements that my warrior-servants had no defense against', and that helped them to hold off for longer against the exponentially-higher amount of Forerunner forces bearing down upon them. Forerunner technology was superior in almost if not all other fields, but the AHE were able to completely nullify the defenses of their enemies.
The significance of this is because the most-powerful and favored assets that the Created would have at their disposal are Forerunner war machines. If the UNSC & allies manage to reverse-engineer a technology that can completely ignore the defenses of said Forerunner tech, then it would provide a massive increase in resistance potential.
Not only that - remember that the ancient Humans were fighting a two front war. They were SIMULTANEOUSLY fighting the Forerunner AND the Flood.
And they BEAT the Flood. They then refused, even in defeat, even being punished with a humiliating de-evolution, to ever reveal to the Forerunners how Humans were able to defeat the Flood.
@@SubduedRadical wow i didnt know that AHE were so strong (or maybe they find a way to nullify forerunners shields) to fight that war, and they even defeted the flood ( if i remember correctly they dindt defest the flood, they just find a way to fight the flood without getting infected) but i dont remember correctly.
good point
@@ergo6289 I don't remember the details, and some people say it was more the Flood withdrew from the Humans to make the Forerunner THINK the Humans knew how to fight them so the Forerunner would freak out about it...but it's not really clear.
That's the terrifying thing about the Flood - they aren't just zombies, when they get enough biomass, it also makes them ultra-level intelligent as well.
But the Ancient Humans were nearly on par with the Forerunner in technology and fighting capability, and were fighting a two front war up until they pushed the Flood back/they Flood withdrew.
Either way, they were total badasses.
@@SubduedRadical The Flood withdrew on purpose. I don't remember if this was in the book but one theory was that the Primordial was testing humanity to see if they were still worthy of the Mantle. I believe the other was that the Flood withdrew to trick the Forerunners into obsessing over a nonexistent cure so they would waste time and resources on finding out what is. Basically toying with them so they wouldn't be prepared and would look for a solution that didn't exist. Both theories hold a lot of weight. The Gravemind loved to mentally and physically torture his enemies, especially Forerunners. Also, the Flood didn't attack Earth before the Halo Rings until the Librarian transmitted a signal from Earth, even though it most certainly was within a Burn by then and completely defenseless free biomass.
Me and someone else deeply involved in Halo lore started arguing about the actual origins of Covenant weapons. They use Plasma, Forerunners don’t use plasma weaponry. However, it appears that Ancient Humanity did. Especially when you remember humanity *glassed* planets that had a flood presence. The logical conclusion: The Covenant was using Human tech against humans.
I was thinking the same.
The San'Sayuum where allied with ancient humans during the time of the Human/Forerunner war , so the San'Sayuum were able to rediscover a lot of their lost technology during the creation of the Covenant via artifact finds(although, they had long forgot the technology was originally their/ancient humans)
@Thomas Houghton funny to think the covenant worshiped human technology. They just mistook it as forerunner.
@Kraptonite they were master manipulators.
@Kraptonite holy shit
How have I never noticed that ship hovering on Reach during the ending? Wow find something new every time.
If Halo Infinite has terminals, i'm totally expecting one of them to just be a link to one of your videos.
Theory: Maybe fibril cutters use neural physics as projectiles in the same vein as MAC rounds to punch through ships? We know ancient humanity had extensive interactions with precursor neural physics constructs in places like Charum Hakkor so perhaps ancient humanity developed weaponry based upon it. This would also fit the description of weapons deployed during the human-forerunner war that the didact “had no effective defense against”.
@MinecraftPro15 Whose to say that they didn't outfit their units with those weapons, becoming more common as Ancient Humanity advanced in tech and decresed in numbers as the war dragged on? The Forerunners still held technological superiority in almost everything else and exponentially-outnumbered the Human forces. If the Humans can destroy 1000 ships per fight but the Forerunners can send out and replace 3000 in the same time, it's no surprise that Ancient Humanity got overwhelmed.
As for Fibril weapons, the definition of "fibrillation" is "rapid uncoordinated twitching of muscle fibers". Maybe the weapons did something similar, but to matter itself? Imagine this: the weapon would send out a pulse or beam of energy that destabilizes the cohesion of the target's matter, causing targetted areas to have particles randomly and violently jolt amd flux. The sudden movement of these particles would cause atomic colllisions and cause massive damage as a result of the atoms being smashed against each other. At least, that's my idea of it.
@@fadelsukoco3092 there's a similar concept in nuclear reactors called neutron embrittlement, wherein high-velocity neutrons impact the walls of the reactor causing spallation. Essentially, pieces of molecules are stripped off and bounced around at high speed, a bit like a billiard ball causing other billiard balls to strike the sides of the table.
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Maybe this ship will replace infinity class.
I remember seeing the ship at the end of Reach, and i always wondered what the thing was
i see the created taking control of ancient human tech
interresting idea, and it sounds very plausible even... i hope u are right, or even better guesstimated some things spot on ^^
It looks like an infinity class ship on a smaller design?
Wait...is this the ship from the Master Chief Collection Halo 1/CE terminal reports?
I remember one of them showing a ship crashes and Guilty Spark tries to talk to them, but they don't respond, so after some time he has his drones built a sarcophagus around it. Is that what this is...?
Wit no brim?
Ark(c?) Dream could refer to the UNSC Infinity and Eternity. Anyways, thanks for another great video, Joe! (I assume that's your name based on the LinkedIn link on the Discord screen in the video)
AI on all planets.... EXCEPT REACH
Why are you still awake at whis time?
Its 7.30am here my friend.
@@Installation00 makes sense i guess. But here it is 2:35 so it is a bit early/ or late. But i'm studying thats why i'm up right know. Just saw the notfication and desided to pop on over :)
@@logankenworthy4457 pleasure to have you join me this evening!
@@Installation00i'm just happy to just be along for the ride.
Its 09 : 21 in the morning here its early.
Lets hope Infinite won't be murdered by Micro Transactions, nor bad plot lines.
Well we have confirmation from a 343 dev that there will be loot boxes but they will not be monetized. Let's hope the only thing they sell are map packs
It’s gonna be in halo infinite trust me halo 5 made way to much money with its micro transactions if ain’t broke don’t fix it right? Why not include a viable money printer
Isaiah Mendiola honestly there’s nothing inherently wrong with loot boxes as long as they are handled well and unobtrusive. I think I’m Infinite they definitely could monetize it, maybe reserve the microtransactions for just cosmetics like skins.
@@mixmaster2909 343 already said they aren't going to add micro transactions, they know that including them would drastically decrease the sales of the game because of the backlash of Halo 5
Halo 5’s biggest issue with microtransactions was how long the grind was. The fact that you can choose to grind for unlocks was good, but players like myself who refuse to buy req packs are forced to wait a very long time for important unlocks like Kinetic Bolt weapons, DMRs and other miscellaneous upgrades. This can be pretty disadvantageous in Warzone PvP and arguably just as pay-to-win as apps like Clash of Clans.
Hopefully if they implement a similar system in Infinite, they at least don’t force you to grind silver packs for 600+ hours before you get to move on to legendary packs, etc.
That said, it’s far from the worst offender as far as loot boxes goes.
Ancient humans were extremely powerful and advanced during their time, I never got to know enough lore about them.
So I’m extremely grateful for this analysis.
Everywhere I go, I see your face.
The Military Theory and Weapons of the Ancient Humans were superior to that of the Forerunners.
Dude for real honestly fuck off you piece of shit.
Fuck you
Fucking piece of shit
I remember hearing somewhere that the Milky Way in the Halo universe has nearly two hundred known sapient species, and even more were wiped out before they were ever discovered during the Forerunner-Flood War, especially the firing of the Array. Eventually, we _will_ learn enough about ancient humanity to strip away that sense of mystery surrounding them, too. Where do you think Halo will go next?
Ancient prophets. Or Maybe precursors
Precursors probably, I feel like they hint to that in the forerunner books
The unknown space faring race that featured in Halo CE: Anniversary terminals would be cool to start shedding the spotlight on.
Zonda1996 yeah that was always such an outlier for me. Seems odd they would put the effort to set up something mysterious like the crashed ship but not go anywhere with that plot point. I hope it gets picked up in the future
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I've been waiting for someone to cover Ancient Human ships! You are amazing and I love your content my dude
The forerunner and ancient human conflict was probably my favourite addition to the lore. And I hope they expand upon it furthermore in Halo infinite
Same, they really need to expand the lore revolving around the conflict
Remember when ancient humanity and forerunners were supposed to be the same thing?
Pepperidge farms remembers
BLADESTER128 when was that ever implied?
@@brandonmiller9155 Pretty much throughout the entire series, more subtly at some points then others. But the biggest one was in H3 from Guilty Spark when he turned of Chief near the end. Might not get this entirely right off memory alone but the line was along the lines of "You are the children of my makers, inheritors of all they created, you ARE Forerunner. But this ring, is mine"
BLADESTER128 for as long as I can remember it’s always been that humanity was supposed to reclaim the mantle, but I’ll admit when I was 10 I didn’t understand the lore as much as I do now, and I may be retroactively placing information from further along back into older titles.
@@BLADESTER128 every time spark has implied chief is forerunner, he was talking about his geas.
Awesomeness Network every time spark implied chief was forerunner was before geas was written in to the lore, it’s a direct retcon specifically to explain this plot hole they invented. Halo 1, you ‘know’ how to use the installation’s tech instinctively and spark talks to you as if you are from his makers. 2, including anniversary terminals, heavily indicates that the Covenant has been wrong about their view of the Galaxy, and 3 is all about finding an ancient portal on the ancient human home world, terminals don’t make any mention of humanity, and do say “welcome, my child” and “lineage confirmed” in reverse when you’re accessing them. The secondary antagonist of the entire series directly, to your face, tells you that you are the child of his makers. Reclaimer and Inheritor weren’t just neat titles when they wrote this stuff, they were literal descriptions. I don’t have an issue with the current story because it has a ton of interesting parts and has expanded the universe a whole lot, but this isn’t the story some of us spent 3 games and multiple books growing up with.
To be fair the mystery still remains with Halo. But now it’s the history of ancient humanity, the Precursors, the alien ship that landed on Alpha Halo, and also just how much Forerunner tech is in the galaxy. Not to mention the history of all the Covenant races and Covenant Fringe
Also exactly how many Forerunner installations have Flood research facilities, a mystery that was part of Infinity's main mission
Installation 00 keeps making better and better content. Plus he's the only RUclipsr I know who actually is active with his community.
I was listening to some victory with halo in the background until 00 uploaded
edit: I also have a tab open to listen to hell march after
Hell march?
A man of culture are found right here!
@@teryn3723 *Indeed.*
I was always curious about ancient human ships and there’s barely any mention of finding derelicts or ruins. Considering they were also rivals of the forerunners there should’ve been a lot more artifacts found tbh🤷🏾♂️
Reggie Delorme 343 did give us an example of ancient human ship being found. In halo 5, the Hell Cat armor is supposed to be based off of an ancient human suit that was recovered and reverse engineered after being found inside a crashed ship
@@DerCharacter halo 5 is not cannon lmao
Its almost like when bungie made halo, humans were supposed to be forerunners. 343i is complete scum.
When forerunners deevolved humans they destroyed every trace of their civilization that they could. One of the reason the only things we have found is a ship is because it was probably floating in the middle of no where and space is a big place
@@nuclearjanitors Bungie themselves started the whole ancient humanity thing in halo 3
I’ve never clicked so damn fast!
I know it's a pretty minor quibble in the overall topic, but I would contend that the ship in the background of Reach's end scene does not look particularly advanced. It's just UNSC cruiser design language that's been compressed in the vertical, scaled down to frigate size (probably, the perspective on the painting makes it hard to tell but to my eyes it doesn't look like it could be much larger than the wrecked frigate closer to the foreground), and painted white. We know 2552 frigates were capable of hovering in atmosphere, even in close proximity to the ground, albeit partially with the aid of thrusters. It's not unreasonable to assume that 30 odd years of development, and reverse engineering of Covenant gravity systems that were already capable of keeping ships aloft all on their own, could reduce the involvement of thrusters to minimal levels or remove their need altogether (especially if we get meta and take into account that scene was made before the Created conflict and its fallout on human industrial capabilities became a thing). As well Halo 4 showed that the UNSC started painting at least some of its ships white by 2558 (going meta again, though, that choice might have been made solely to conform with the featured vessel) and that practice expanding over the following three decades is well within the realm of possibility. In short, it simply looks like a natural near term evolution of the then established UNSC ship aesthetic.
Also, I'm assuming from the light colored bar on the very front that looks very much like a window that it's not a combat vessel, which further reinforces my assumption that it's towards small end in size. I'd assume some sort of scientific or survey vessel, given the context. I don't think we'll truly ever find out for sure, though, so I suppose all our interpretations are equally valid until or unless I'm proven wrong on that last point.
Or maybe it's some non military vessel?
Remember that humans really like putting windows on their combat vessels in Halo. Even the covenant hide their control centers deep in the ship, but not humanity or ancient humanity nooooo.
I think we're going to find a ancient human ship on Zeta halo, but still useable and operable, and that it's going to be our main weapon against the created. Since they had some unknown weapon, that weapons could be strong enough to destroy guardians, or the ship itself is immune to the emp of guardians
Ken Kaneki this would be pretty awesome. I would love to finally see some old human tech.
It probably won’t be that much of an advantage, but it will upset the advantage offered by the Guardians.
Maybe the main weapon could be some form of hard-light cannon, givin that AI's can't be hit by anything else
The Didact said in either Cryptum or Primordium that "with the assistance of the San Shyuum, Humanity created offensive technologies to which my warrior servants had no defense against". Ancient Human weaponry could hard-counter Forerunner defenses to that degree, so anything regarding the technology that the allied species could scrounge up and back-engineer would definitely help to tip the scales. Especially if they can get it to shoot first at a Guardian. Guardians are policing machines ment to enforce order on unruly elements and 'lesser' species, they were piss-poor war machines compared to the Forerunners' dedicated warships, which Ancient Human weapons could completely bypass the defenses of.
Guardians are only police cars by Forerunner standars, a AHE Warship can go to to toe with Sojourners, a single AHE ship could wipe out all guardian and the Created, and that single ship by himself would allow the UNSC to conquer the Galaxy... so I dunno about that...
I just love ancient humans they just fell so real like mayans... more than those of today...and the ships looks way more badass...
Humanity First!
The Lord of Admirals agrees
Yang Gang?
The emperor protects
Please we need more Ancient Human lore videos! I don’t know enough about them.
I never knew that scene from Reach was from 2589! Holy S***!!!!!
That's wild.
@@noble20xx56 Wonder if 343 even remembers. I mean, they didn't even remember the little detail that Chief is the main character.
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what if the last halo game takes place in that year?
If 343i were to make some kind of game or cinematic media about Ancient Humanity, I’d be delighted if Neil Davidge was chosen to score its soundtrack.
In my opinion, he defined the Ancient Human sound with the piece “Haven” from Halo 4’s ost, which appears in terminal 2, which is also shown throughout this video.
I've been rather interested in the ancient humans in Halo. I enjoy the highly advanced technology they had and their story or well pieces of it. Kinda glad Halo 5 had the hellcat armor, pretty much the only armor in that game I liked and the simple lore about it.
Still be happy when I see more information. I'm also still VERY interested in Reach and just how important the planet actually is. Pre ordered Shadows Of Reach on audible
Fastest click ever, lol. I love these videos
I can’t wait to learn more about Ancient Humans. I have always wondered.
Archdream could mean archetypal dream, which in the context of halo would fit the description of a geas:
A specific set of unexplainable and precise dreams that most of mankind seem to have.
The Ancient Humans were said to have developed weapons which the Forerunner warriors had no defense against. Since Cortana now controls a massive army of Forerunner war machines, it seems appropriate for resistant UNSC forces to get their hands on some of this Ancient Human technology. You didn't mention that the Hellcat Mjolnir Armor variant is based on Ancient Human armor discovered in the vaults of a crashed starship. Since the UNSC has already based at least some of their technology on these designs, it makes me wonder how much knowledge Cortana has on these locations.
I'm really hoping Halo Infinite doesn't leave us in one single location for the entirety of the game. I would like to visit more than one location of interest and this starship would make for a great location. Even if we don't get any direct use out of it, it would probably be a good idea to try and scuttle it. I wouldn't trust Cortana with a starship like that.
Back in 2015 I discussed on the Waypoint forums the possibility that Ancient Human imprints may be influencing modern day humanity, to the point that I believe Dasc Gevadim and the Triad may have been given information by them. I would love to see a resurgence of Ancient Humanity in the future.
Ancient humans and Precursors are both really interesting things to learn about. I’d like to know more.
Yay, you got the internet connection back
I think you're stretching too much with all the talk about Halo Reach. Bungie didn't consider much lore outside the halo trilogy when they made reach.
Can you make a video on whether the Covenant knew about ancient humans before they knew that current humanity were the "Reclaimer". and if they ever found any ancient humanities technology and assumed it were the forerunners.
leyuen very good idea
The prophet of truth learned that from mendicant bias which is why the covanent hunted the humans
@@TheSenorAwesome and thats why I said "on whether the Covenant knew about ancient humans before they knew that current humanity were the "Reclaimer"."
@@blackwingz55 ooooooohhh I gotcha, yeah I'd like to see that too
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I doubt any records from that period survived. The San’Shyuum homeworld, Janjur Qom, was hit by a direct Halo strike during an uprising before the Forerunner-Flood War. Living members of the species were all but wiped out, and I’m sure physical records of their history were destroyed by time and the elements before the reseeded San’Shyuum restored some semblance of their civilization. The San’Shyuum didn’t start worshipping the Forerunners until they rediscovered Forerunner relics on their planet.
Wishful thinking, but I really want to see a halo game based on the human/forerunner/flood wars
Amazing as always. You've quickly turned into my favorite source of halo lore. Keep up the amazing content!
I'm more of the mindset that the resisting factions will pool their resources and knowledge together and create advanced, multi species spacecraft.
You can easily say that the end of Reach spaceship is a UNSC themed spacecraft that is designed and built from the ground up with Engineer, Elite as well as already reverse engineered Forerunner tech in mind.
Taking the lessons learned from the Infinity and further evolving it with more knowledge and tech
Question,In Halo Cryptum The Didact has a fully provisioned ship created around him,Bornstellar and two humans. How is that accomplished ?
Fibral cutters? You mean scissors right? That’s basically what that means it think? Fibral sounds like fiber which can be used for bed sheets which can be cut by scissors.
Or that the cutter itself uses a fiber like implement. Like a beam.
Honestly, I think this is the problem with 343i and Microsoft at the higher levels, and it doesn't end with them its industry wide across entertainment. The problem in my opinion is that 343i has yet to make Halo their game, it is still very much Bungie's and Microsoft's game. Sure they've made changes and brought in new ideas, but they haven't broken away and come into their own. They have a very wide world to explore and they haven't done it yet.
I think Halo Infinte if handled correctly going forward could be their way to do that. Halo Infinte provides the best platform for 343i to make Halo their own game and move forward with ideas and stories that we would've never thought of. FIrst the most important thing though they need to stop making books for what happens between the games or at least give us some kind of cutscene/montage of the things that happen between games if they want to keepdoing it that way. Back to the other stuff now, Halo Infinte provides the perfect platform to launch Master Chiefs story into its end. The Believe Campaign has already been made cannon, so we know at some point soon Master Chief goes MIA at least. Continue Halo Infinte and the Zeta Halo story with The Endless, but don't wrap it up there.
If it were me, I would have Master Chief fight the Endless on Zeta Halo similar to the way Noble Six fought the Covenant on Reach. I don't think anyone would mind a similar ending as that but with a Master Chief flare to it, which of course means blowing up Zeta Halo. But a slight twist, before this happens build up the next story to come. If these last six games were considered the Reclaimer Saga, lets end it with something big, something that can already be said to have started in Infinite's campaign and open world. Let's bring Ancient Humanity back into the fold. Let Chief send a warning back to the UNSC and information gathered on Zeta Halo about Ancient Humanity, before going dark and being deemed M.I.A. Have this saga end with Humanity Reclaiming and openly being made aware of their Ancient Heritage and history.
From there we can move on and 343i can finally make this theirs. Start a new saga with new characters but don't erase Master Chiefs accomplishments. Show us just how much of his legacy is passed on, introduce a brand new Spartan Program based on the Ancient Humans, Have Halsey trying to create a new John, Blue Team out leading and training this new generation of Spartans. Show us just how much Master Chief meant to the Halo Universe, but this isn't the core of the story moving forward.
Now I would call this the Mantle Sage/Era (name doesn't matter). Here we have humanity take up the Mantle, just not the one the Precursors thought us ready for. Instead we take up a new spartan, who with the rest are taking up the mantle of not only Master Chief but Ancient Humanity, not claiming their spot but finishing what they could not. Now despite what I said earlier, we could use a book or two to claim some time between the stories. The Endless are let loose on the Galaxy and they're not taking any prisoners, whether its the Humans or the Covenant they are taking out everyone they deem to be in their way. But ONI being ONI know what their goal is and it isn't like they've been hiding it, they want the Mantle left by the Precursors, that they believe is rightfully theirs.
With this we bring Halo back to a period of war. But not normal war, this is an entirely new theater, Humans step out with entirely new technology, weapons, armor everything, and our flagship of course is the Eternity now completed with everything we've gained from the Infinity and the Ancient Human technology that has been either hidden by ONI or retrieved from Chiefs final message. Continuing on our new Spartan is not the big hero, not like Chief, so give us fireteams to play with a mix of Spartan IV's and V's. (They did it in H5 and it was a nice addition) With our new spartan and fireteam, let us join the war completing missions across the galaxy as we try to combat the Endless and get to the Mantle before them, only out of fear of what this might be (the mistaken belief that there is another super-weapon like the Halo Array).
With this we can bring out the deeper lore and history of Halo and bring it to the forefront. Of course we're not going to have another six games dedicated to this one thing. But with this fight for the Mantle, we can bring back/out other threats. The flood can finally make a return and imagine them with the Endless as host, The Gravemind can comeback, the actually Precursors can maybe make a comeback.
As detailed in the 2022 Halo Encyclopedia "Archeohomina" is 26th century humanity's classification of Ancient Humanity.
Infinite is gluing to be a long term product designed as a sequel to MCC not halo 5.
Matrick era Microsoft/xbox fucked around and dug their influence into halo 4 involving cortana, for the purpose of advertising their new voice assistant by the same name. Halo 5 was saddled with this and other design flaws and political crap. A lot behind the scenes is going on to drive the game in bad directions but there is a strong chance halo infinite is a major course correction.
Infinite will have free maps, free guns, free multiplayer content of all stripes and will see a seasonal destiny esque story expansion monetization platform along with a secondary monetization scheme, likely a bit aggressive but tolerable if you buy the season pass which includes story content. Story content will drive creation of art assets for multiplayer, forge and player customization.
The focus of infinite vanilla story will be to solve story problems, tease major things to come, likely trigger a large web reaction for publicity by throwing a curve ball, and set the stage to tie up other plotlines. Infinite's main campaign will be chief driven and focused DLC will be other spartans and elites.
Elites will probably end up in multiplayer but as a year 1 dlc release. Chief will get mini dlcs set in lore sections that were in print or comics. I suspect ancient humans, prophets, flood, precursor will all be the long game, the short term is dealing with the created, the banished, and the rebel human factions clashing with ONI and UN politicians.
Yes! Ancient Humanity are probably might favourite subject in Halo lore. I hope they maintain their mystique.
I like the fact that humanities *TRUE* homeworld is a vast mystery in the series
I disagree. I hope we get a book series equivalent to the Forerunners on them.
@@Nyx_2142 It'd nice to have that, but I'd still like to have the mystique of whether or not Erde Tyrene/Earth/Terra *IS* the Cradle of Archaeo Homini/Ancient Humanity as originally portrayed in the Bornstellar Trilogy.
Here's a thought the Precursors chose ancient humanity as inheritors of the mantle of responsibility but is current humanity in the halo universe even still worthy of it or have the forerunners screwed that up when they de evolved us despite the best intentions of the librarian to fix there mistake
It depends if they retuned all their books back to the Librarian and avoided a late fee. (Halo files yet undiscovered discovered because they are in a basement without a light bulb and a crayon sign that says beware of the tiger GRRR)
Did ancient humanity talk about being the inheritors of the mantle? I swear I heard something like that in the lore somewhere.
@@Cndr86 According to the Ur-Didact, ancient humans considered themselves to be the true inheritors of the Mantle. We've never heard of ancient humans themselves bring up the Mantle in any capacity. How true Ur-Didact's statement is unknown right now.
@@Spartan-343 The Precusors were wiped out because they chose Humanity to inherit the Mantle and the Forerunners threw a hissy fit and genocided them. So.. the Forerunners didn't exactly prove the Precursors wrong, if anything they reinforced the point.
@@Nyx_2142According to the Gravemind that is what happened. How true that is remains to be seen. Remember it was the Gravemind who said this and he was saying to the Ur-Didact (whom it was trying to corrupt).
What I said was in the Forerunner Saga we've never heard an ancient human speak about the Mantle or even mention the word. The only source we have on them thinking they were the Mantle's rightful inheritors is the Ur-Didact.
I'm sure there's truth in both Gravemind's and Ur-Didact's words, but how much? We don't know yet.
3yrs later....& we sfill dont know avout the ancient Human ship....
Ancient Humanity Scientific and technical knowledge should have always been a cornerstone for the UEG and UNSC once they were found out. The Reclamation should have been modern humanity reclaiming their Ancient Humanity which was in fact also Precursor and the Forerunner would have been reconnected to this ancient triumvirate. Ancient Humanity was an Equal to the Forerunners not their subjects, fighting a two front galactic war would wear down any empire. Also what information are there on the other species that lived alongside the AH and 4runners? Also imagine what a Ancient Humanity Forerunner Alliance would have been like,Wow!
When I hear "fibril cutters," I think back to the Halo 4 terminals in which we see what appears to be a Flood infected Ancient Human ship being cut open and boarded by the Didact's Promethean Knights. The lack of FSC could definitely be a testament to the effectiveness of the Didact's Prometheans. If I remember correctly, they were highly effective against the Flood, but he did not have the numbers great enough to make a difference and turn the tide of the war.
I just realized the Librarian is wearing a head dress over her actual hair. Her actual hair is underneath her metal bonnet.
Lol, this game was about shooting religious aliens and space zombies
Apparently face paint it’s popular with pre-ascension and post ascension Humans.. 😂
Hear me @Installation00 Wolf wit da beans is onto something with spark, actually most forerunner A.I/Bio-digital-intelligence has good reason to side with humanity against Cortana. Most of them want humanity to claim the mantle (not the created). I expect Spark, Intrepid Eye, little-bit and maybe even bias to get some more screen time in the future.
Why would archiohomina tech be simpler to recreate than forerunner tech, especially if they where of equivalent levels of technology? That's not how technology works.
Take the F1 rocket engine used on the Saturn V rocket. We stopped building F1 boosters in the early 70s. Since then there where 2 separate attempts to recreate this engine. Once by the Russians for their Buran lunch vehicle and once by NASA for the cancelled Constellation program. Both attempts failed. Both attempts did produce viable engine and the Russians actually flew theirs once but neither was a clone of the F1 engine. The Russians could not replicate the single massive exhaust valve assembly tutu an inability to manufacture a durable enough engine Bell and we're forced to use a quad spell assembly instead that is for smaller engine Bells. NASA and the companies that actually built the F1 found let the institutional memory of all of the small necessary refinements that were made during construction of these engines had been lost. You see the F-1 engines phloem during the Apollo program we're essentially handcrafted and each was unique. Despite having a full set of engineering calculations and blueprints and schematics NASA couldn't make the engine work. We know the works it put over a dozen men on the moon. That's what 50 years did to real human technology we have the blueprints for. Imagine what being separated by thousands of years and no common language would do
David Edens because both Ancient Humanity and the Forerunners used genetic locks in their technologies, which is why species like the Sangheili and the San Shyumm aren’t able to access consoles on a lot of Forerunner consoles in their constructs. Simply for the fact that humans share the same genes as ancient humans, their technology would be much more easy to access and utilise in order to reverse engineer, especially all the medical and enhancement tech
Could you perhaps do a video on the ships of the covenant, specifically how they're built, like where they're built and who built them.
a interesting video for is the weaponry of the ancient human infantry and there other vehicles
What would the covenant think of ancient humanity.
And this is just a what if, what if covenant tech is actually reverse engineered human tech and the covenant before the invasion of earth found out
Does anyone else think that this ship also looks really cool?
I always wondered why the Tiers in halo do not comply with the Kardashev Scale since that is what it was meant for.
The forerunners could have been handled much better.
They were the definition of *"ABSENCE"* in Halo, with their constructs being all that was left behind.
With the Promethians and didact, and all the other cluster f*cks that hay 343 introduced, they lost the sense of absence that defined them so clearly.
What kind of nonsensical shit is this?
What I'm curious about is what happened to the Ancient Humanity Warships-?
Well more importantly, what happened to the majority of those that Ancient Humanity used when the Forerunner' s were at their height of power? I know Humanity got knocked back down to a primitive state. I assumed that 100% of them were destroyed, but ut seems some may have survived.
I find that Ancient Humanity's ships are interesting by design.
And assuming that the capital ship of question would be brought back to earth to be studied more.
It's worth noting that ancient humanity had been combating the flood long before the forerunners even became aware of it. Ancient humanity was fighting a war on two fronts, head to head I'd wager if humanity had only been fighting the forerunners they would have won.
I doubt it. The Forerunner empire was more vast, and still had a technological edge. Regardless of a some what equal footing military; Ancient Humanity’s defeat was a matter of time. The Forerunners also had technology that allowed them to effectively freeze space time and tear ships apart with gravimetric fields. No mention of Ancient Humans having technology that advanced.
By the time the Human-Forerunner War was at its height the Flood had also already left the galaxy. It’s speculated in-fiction that the Flood did this to draw both civilizations to war to weaken them so they would be easier prey when the Flood returned.
@@ninboy01 True, but according to the Librarian, even after the Ancient Human Empire (AHE) had the majority of their empire either spaceraped by the Flood or glassed in response to such, with a crippled military desperately running from the threat and the Forerunners having the ability to jam AHE Slipspace travel and predict where human ships would exit, thus allowing the Forerunners to set up perfect ambushes and dictate almost every battle, they still took over a millennium to get to Charum Hakkor. And that was when the Forerunners onlu had to deal with AHE forces defending their greatest strategically-important places, as part of the Didact's "Starhopping stratagem. After 53 years of getting nowhere useful on Charum Hakkor, thr San Shyuum let the Didact through the defenses in exchange for NOT getting biologically devolved. The Didact believed that Humanity was the gteatest threat to the Forerunners in history, and the Librarian believed that the wars with the AHE (as well as postwar Forerunner political bullshit) weakened the Ecumene enoigh for the Flood to win the way that they did. This is also why the Flood suddenly stopped attacking human worlds mid-war, they wanted the AHE to rebound and wear down the Forerunners as well as spreading the lie of the "Flood Cure"
@@ninboy01 Ancient Humanity sacrificed an entire 3rd of their population at the end of their war with the Flood, let alone how many they lost during it. With their alliance with the San Shyuum, and in a situation without the Flood, they definitely had a strong chance of winning. The Didact even comments on the fact that the Humans and San Shyuum had developed weapons they were completely defenseless against. And as the other commenter said, even with the Forerunners advanced technology and Humanity's weakened state, the humans still held on for over a millenia. And I've never heard that flood theory, ever. I have heard that the Primordial was testing the Humans to see if they were still worthy of the Mantle. And the other being the Primordial did it to trick the Forerunners into obsessing over a nonexistent cure to torment them and leave the unprepared. The testing Humanity theory has some merit as even when the Forerunners only existed on the Arks, the Flood never touched Earth. It was completely defenseless and had free biomass but it wasn't attacked until the Librarian sent a transmission from it. Then you have moments from the game where the Flood didn't attack Earth until the Ark portal was open and even then used the opportunity to attack the Ark anyway. In short, the Flood has only attacked Earth when provoked into doing so.
Unrelated question, does cortana still have the index?
Cool video! The only issue is, as of Halo Reach, Humans were Forerunners, which 343 unnecessarily retconned. So, when Bungie put that ship in, it wouldn’t have had anything to do with “ancient humans,” since that didn’t exist in their lore. Might be more likely humanity advanced technologically after reverse-engineering Covenant and Forerunner technologies post war.
The first 40 seconds are what put me off from the franchise alltogether. It was fun while it lasted, but, adding things on top of each other endlessly is just too much. There has to be a conclusive to it when its at its peak.
This is a minor criticism: Can you please specify in future videos, where you talk about starships, especially ones belonging to a certain race and/or faction, that you are not actually going to talk about starship classes/types but are instead going to be focusing on something entirely different?
Basically: Please don’t lie about the subject.
I thought this video was going to be about different types of starships, but it was only about one specific ship that ONI found, and their report on said ship.
That is not a problem.
That is s good topic for a video: I just want you to be honest about the topic of the video.
Its already hard enough to find good information about Ancient Human/Forerunner ships, so it was really disappointing that this video did not explain any different ship types.
This is why I love this universe! There's so much! So fast! It's glorious! 😅
-cortana probably
I've always been somewhat lukewarm towards the mystery of the forunners being unravelled and all the crazy lore around ancient humanity and such, especially as most of it doesn't even come to the fore in the games (until Halo 4 I guess, where there's a big exposition dump). It'll be interesting to see if much of this stuff comes up in Halo infinite
We're also not going to acknowledge that the Forerunners are potentially still alive in path cathona?? 26th century humans have this information from the Forerunners terminals but no one has sent a ship to explore that area?? They have have advanced slip space capabilities. Why not go visit path cathona???
Shouldn't the UNSC be finding more ancient wreckage of humanity I get they got massacred but like look at space now with all those junk satellites floating around
I don't think it's ancient humanity. I think it's future humanity cast back in time. Self fulfilling time line etc. But who or what cast them back..... And when.....
Robson Rover Repair Ancient Humanity were literally created by the Precursors, just like the Forerunners. They were both test species to take on the Mantle after the Precursors left
The more I hear about the lore, the more I want a Halo RPG/MMO
Never gonna wrap up to this point. 343i has killed Halo both in game format and on the small screen.
I saw that spirit of fire breakdown video confirmation, can't wait to see it!
Halo before Halo game anyone? I wanna play as a ancient human or forrunner millions of years ago, so yes no covenant, no BRs, no spartans, just promethean technology and flood. Yay!
Ancient humanity would have won the human forerunner war had they not had been fighting the flood previously
What if they find a living acient human lol that survived would be cool but properly wouldnt happen bc the halos do a good job of wiping out living forms but if the flood could service maybe posible for a human to servive
Its 12am and i need to work in the morning but installation00 uploaded a video
It will be nice to make a series of the ancient human fighting the flood and forunerer fighting the precursors.
Good job.
They should have left the Forrunners as good guys and just not...with the Precursor nonsense.
thats one...9:40
I’ve never played any HALO game but is that a ring world at 11:29 ?
10/10 video man, really love your attempt at understanding everything research and learn
They really need to make a game of when humanity fought in the 2080-2180s wars, the rainforest wars, mars and jovian moons that would be really good, pretty similar to
A cod infinite game
Ikr!
I really wanna know the _Modern_ Human Empire lore too!
How did we get from Earth, now- to an intergalactic empire?!
Must've been one hell of a ride, cause out tech really ain't as good as it should be in 26th century.
@The MetaGamer They used Sergeant Johnson.
When people realize sergeant Omar was grandfather of Johnson
Idk bro. Forunners are still interesting and mysterious. It’s galaxy fairing species building mega worlds.
I think the precursor are far more interesting, as ancient humans were comparable to forunners.
Hello humans
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“Spirit of Fire lined up for the weekend.”
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Great video! Halo storyline has become stupid
How big is that human vessel? Did the book say?
I hope halo infinite gives us ancient human guns
That would be great. But where would we find then in the game?
@@logankenworthy4457 idk I just hope they give us those guns
Something called multiplayer and forge mate.
I dident think of that. I myself don't play forge or multiplayer that often so i tend to forget that those are parts of the game.
@@logankenworthy4457 perhaps there's an arms research lab that held human guns on Zeta Halo