Godox XPro Remote COMPLETE GUIDE ▶︎ Godox Flashes part 2

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  • Godox XPro Remote COMPLETE GUIDE ▶︎ Godox Flashes part 2
    Part 1: • GODOX V860II-O Flashes...
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  • @photojoseph
    @photojoseph  5 лет назад +13

    Trying something new here… I've edited this live show down to a paltry 11 minutes. Tried for 10, but oh-well. It's VERY edited… what do you think?
    This is essentially a video user guide for the Godox XPRO flash controller (featuring V860II flashes)
    Watch the Q&A video here: ruclips.net/video/nqw5g97O7do/видео.html
    Watch the unedited live show here: ruclips.net/video/XerhbAVhbrY/видео.html

    • @marklaurendet1861
      @marklaurendet1861 5 лет назад +2

      This condensed version is very good, hope to see more of them in the future. I am looking into something similar in 2019 and this will be on my evaluation list for sure. A good condensed version like this could be on my tablet for quick reference.

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  5 лет назад

      Thanks for the feedback!

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  5 лет назад

      Also Mark, since you commented on the new format… how do you feel about the “house ad” that is inserted in the middle of this video?

    • @marklaurendet1861
      @marklaurendet1861 5 лет назад

      I have to admit I do not like adds but things have to be paid for somehow. Adds are better than no content, just hope that over time they do not become too intrusive. The current level are not too bad in most cases. If I had a choice I would prefer adds be at the beginning.

    • @ChuckTipton
      @ChuckTipton 5 лет назад +1

      It's fine as an overview, which is exactly what I needed. I am getting two remotes and the transmitter today and wanted to see what I was getting into. Thanks for your time and effort, very helpful, sir! :-)

  • @RenzoCaballini
    @RenzoCaballini 5 лет назад +3

    Thank you so much for this video. Didn’t want to plow through the manual and you explained everything I need. Thanks again!

  • @jerryjones7838
    @jerryjones7838 2 года назад +1

    I just purchased 2 of the Godox AD100s and the Godox X Pro C. First venture into flash and , after watching several supposedly "easy to understand" videos, became very frustrated trying to get it all to work. Your video is EXCELLENT! After watching I was able to put it all together. I can't thank you enough.

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  2 года назад

      Oh that’s awesome to hear, thanks!

  • @texasmarshalls
    @texasmarshalls 3 года назад +1

    This is the best video explanation hands down! I have been struggling trying to get my trigger set to the light and also getting my camera HSS to work on my Nikon Z6. Thank you for this video!!!

  • @linz9655
    @linz9655 3 года назад +3

    Great video and great explanation! I've watched several videos on this remote and yours is the best! Thanks for making it simple.

  • @jdriesen
    @jdriesen 3 года назад +2

    Dude, you rock. I'm just getting into mutli-flash now and you really unpacked this beautifully. THANK YOU!

  • @borgartessem8274
    @borgartessem8274 4 года назад +2

    To get the Flash to remember the group you have to push set button after finding the wished group you want! A super helpful movie to help me make up my mind and go for a Xpro trigger

  • @marklaurendet1861
    @marklaurendet1861 5 лет назад +1

    A very nice overview. I am currently us Nissin flashes because I like the simplicity of the two dials. Currently looking into a twin flash system for macro work and these flashes may be suitable.

  • @whitneyminthorn445
    @whitneyminthorn445 5 лет назад +2

    life saver! Finally got it figured out. Thanks for the video

  • @hawaiirealmedia5610
    @hawaiirealmedia5610 5 лет назад +1

    Nice presentation. Very clear. Thank you!

  • @ingridborecki7956
    @ingridborecki7956 3 года назад +3

    11 min video - just what I needed! Now I'm up and shooting. Thanks so much.

  • @keithshenkin3674
    @keithshenkin3674 5 лет назад

    Really clear and comprehensive video - ideal for people (like myself) who only read the instructions when all else fails/ Thank you.

  • @bjnslc
    @bjnslc 4 года назад

    I got an XPro remote and TT685o today to use with my G9 after seeing several positive reviews and helpful tutorials like yours. The TT685 wouldn't mount to my camera.'s hotshoe After rechecking to confirm I got the right model, I found the contact pins had very sharp, unfinished-looking points that I smoothed a bit with a jeweler's file. That worked, but it's a reminder that the low price can have its downside.

  • @ottokruse7472
    @ottokruse7472 2 года назад +2

    The video was a life saver, the default range being set to 1-300m was my issue. After changing it to 0-30m everything worked perfectly.

  • @alessandraf.8030
    @alessandraf.8030 2 года назад

    thank you very much, you solved my problem, which was to adjust the zoom on the radio and transmit to the flash!!!🙏🏼

  • @CareyNashCanada
    @CareyNashCanada 4 года назад

    great video. helped me get started with the flashes and the trigger!

  • @KeriLovell
    @KeriLovell 3 года назад +1

    This is just what I was looking for, love your delivery too! Subbed!

  • @ericgofreed1651
    @ericgofreed1651 Год назад +1

    Your video is 3 years old but it is a huge help to me now. Thank you

  • @Adam-xl5oi
    @Adam-xl5oi 4 года назад +8

    The ID option in the settings is used to avoid wireless signal interference in the event if others are using the same brand and on the same wireless channel.

  • @fingersmcginty
    @fingersmcginty 4 года назад

    So glad I found this. I have the same remote trigger and I've tried to wade through Godox's pdf manual and it just confused me, partly due to its multiple configurations but also it isn't all that well-written. Now I think I have a handle on using this with my TT350 flash, which is more or less like the larger one you used.

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  4 года назад

      Sweet! Yeah the manuals… leave something to be desired.

  • @pianoman6639
    @pianoman6639 2 года назад

    Big thank you for this comprehensive tutorial .. brilliant

  • @batwork4031
    @batwork4031 5 лет назад +2

    Thanks, this was very helpful

  • @leapingleo6349
    @leapingleo6349 4 года назад

    You rock Joseph! Godox instruction manual frustrating until viewing your clip. Thank you, Cobber.

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  4 года назад

      I don’t know what a Cobber is, but you’re welcome!

  • @originalamit
    @originalamit 2 года назад +1

    Thanks a ton! awesome video!

  • @sandeepkumarmohanty1050
    @sandeepkumarmohanty1050 2 года назад +1

    Thank you so much Mr.joseph for this tips

  • @NikCollectionByDxO
    @NikCollectionByDxO 4 года назад +1

    Great video. Thank you

  • @hartgetzen7867
    @hartgetzen7867 3 года назад

    Excellent! Best tutorial ever. Thank you!!!

  • @muddyboy9941
    @muddyboy9941 4 года назад

    Essential viewing. I've just invested in three V860ii and a XPro trigger and was getting very frustrated trying to get them set up. There's some subtleties--like setting the flash zoom to - - - that I had almost worked out myself but didn't understand, and then your video made it clear. There's a few videos out there, including some from Godox themselves, but you get right to the point in very clear fashion. "VERY edited ..?" Yes, perfect, too much guff on RUclips videos, I just want to find out quickly what to do. Thank you :-)

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  4 года назад

      hehe thanks, much appreciated

  • @flashymamaphotography6008
    @flashymamaphotography6008 2 года назад

    You made it so easy! Thanks Joseph!

  • @SEPK09
    @SEPK09 4 года назад +1

    Some handy tips thanks.

  • @kapturelab
    @kapturelab 2 года назад +1

    Great guide. You are very astute when it comes to delivering explanations in very understandable and digestible way.
    Thank you.

  • @polinakhanteeva752
    @polinakhanteeva752 4 года назад

    you've answeres allllll my questions!!! THANK YOU

  • @DevSmith1
    @DevSmith1 5 лет назад +5

    If it wasn't for this video and how you explained things, I would still be confused on my now new lighting system. Thank you!

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  5 лет назад

      That’s what I like to hear! Thanks :-)

    • @poncho_arroyo
      @poncho_arroyo 4 года назад

      @@photojoseph same here!

  • @markwillride
    @markwillride 5 лет назад +1

    I see that the hot shoe mount is now metal. On one of the older reviews it was plastic. With this thing sticking up off of the camera, I can see bumping it against something. Nice to see they made that change if it was in fact plastic before.

  • @mcdonalddrewseth8421
    @mcdonalddrewseth8421 4 года назад +1

    So helpful! Thank you for this video!

  • @omaryabby9444
    @omaryabby9444 3 года назад +1

    Glad to find this review as I just picked up this remote. Quick question- if I want to use two bodies, would it make sense to have two remotes and would both cameras be able to control the light setup? or for example, two photographers using the same setup- each with a remote?

  • @BenStoney
    @BenStoney 2 года назад

    Great video, everything so clearly explained - thanks! I have a question... I intend to get a godox xpro remote for my Nikon, I already have 3 Nikon flashguns, will I need a Godox receiver to fire each of these? If so, what would work best with the godox xpro transmitter? Thanks!

  • @artistcharlesmaring
    @artistcharlesmaring 5 лет назад +2

    Very well done, and useful Joseph. Thanks for being so detailed.

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  5 лет назад

      Thank you! Are you using Godox now?

    • @artistcharlesmaring
      @artistcharlesmaring 5 лет назад

      @@photojoseph Not just yet, but planning on new speed lights for 2019 when our season ramps back up. These may be what we are looking for. The other option may be Profoto A1 units if they come out with a dedicated Lumix TTL remote. Still debating between the two, but close to pulling the trigger on something. Decided to hold out and hopefully see them both at WPPI, which is just around the corner. These are pretty enticing though considering the price point!

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  5 лет назад +1

      I love Profoto but the price is hard to beat here. Before you’re ready to buy, I’ll have a video up on the biggest studio light they make.

  • @chmeixner
    @chmeixner 4 года назад

    Thanks mate for this great tutorial!

  • @morgan6637
    @morgan6637 5 лет назад

    Thank you!

  • @Ronbc000
    @Ronbc000 3 года назад

    The best info, Thank you👍

  • @declanmurphy1006
    @declanmurphy1006 4 года назад +1

    Going between the lightning bolt to the antenna mode on the flashes has tripped me up a few times.

  • @jody1622
    @jody1622 2 года назад +1

    Ahhh, I think I've figured out why the darn thing keeps turning off. It's a menu setting. THANK YOU!

  • @thommytaler682
    @thommytaler682 2 года назад

    Great !!! Thank you very much !!!!

  • @berndfey3016
    @berndfey3016 2 года назад

    It helps me much.Thanks

  • @lorrainecruzcarpenter9195
    @lorrainecruzcarpenter9195 2 года назад

    Thank you! the Step feature!

  • @isabelcorthierphotographer717
    @isabelcorthierphotographer717 3 года назад +1

    Thanks Joseph, well explained!

  • @edwfilmsandphotos
    @edwfilmsandphotos 2 года назад

    I bought twp V860IIOs and the XPro for my Lumix G9 and GH6. It takes some practice, especially since they operate quite differently than the SB800 and SB600s in my old Nikon CLS. For example, I need to crank the gain way up to be able to use the McNally Lastolite. With the Nikon CLS, the camera and Speedlight would compensate. Finally, since the WiFi on the G9 and GH6 is 2.4 GHz, same band as the XPro trigger, I have not found a channel in the Godox system that does not interfere with the Panasonic Image App on my iPhone. Thanks to your videos, I had very little learning curve with navigating the flash and trigger menus.

  • @wanneske1969
    @wanneske1969 5 лет назад +1

    I paid 100 € for it ! The rubber on the usb-port was loose, so I used ducked tape . I use it on my Godox AD400 and AD200 strobes. I think it's amazing, better than the X1

  • @mariavictoriaperezcrespo1886
    @mariavictoriaperezcrespo1886 4 года назад

    11 minutes = a Mastery. Thanks

  • @photomaster1
    @photomaster1 4 года назад +1

    Love Godox for what they have done, on that note the main issue(s) are if you're using non Godox strobes you can not control the lights even with the firmware updates. All you have is a trigger it's looking like Yongnuo is the only flash controller that will work with your mix of light.

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  4 года назад

      You’re saying they Yongnuo triggers will control other brand lights? Seriously?

  • @tasuwer1
    @tasuwer1 Год назад

    Thnx it helped a lot ❤️❤️

  • @memoriesbysatyam5320
    @memoriesbysatyam5320 4 года назад

    Perfect explanation.

  • @yaninaisla
    @yaninaisla 2 года назад

    thanks for this! :)

  • @razamohsan
    @razamohsan 5 лет назад

    Love you buddy, well explained

  • @tantamount999
    @tantamount999 4 года назад

    Wondering about X-Pro triggering cross brands, particularly Cactus rf60x flashes. Thank you for a great video

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  4 года назад

      No idea I’m afraid… anyone else know?

  • @simonrhys
    @simonrhys 2 года назад

    Looks good, I might do a buy

  • @49ers49ers
    @49ers49ers Год назад +1

    Thank You Thank You great info.

  • @robertoazevedo5328
    @robertoazevedo5328 2 года назад

    Congratulations for this video.

  • @tony_knox
    @tony_knox 4 года назад +1

    thank you sp Much

  • @ArcanePath360
    @ArcanePath360 2 года назад +3

    That focus assist lamp is really good in low light, even if you don't use your flashes. It nails focus every time so I tend to keep it on the camera in low light or shooting things with no contrast features in them, such as a plain wall. NOTE: It does not work when you set your Canon to focus AI or Servo. You need to be in ONE SHOT mode. Took me ages to figure this out.

    • @yummm8775
      @yummm8775 2 года назад +1

      Useful tip... thanks!

  • @Nowordscameout
    @Nowordscameout 5 лет назад

    Thanks this was a great tutorial

  • @Supergoldfish101
    @Supergoldfish101 5 лет назад +1

    I think the ID setting is for newer firmware, many Godox devices have been recently released to include it. It's not documented well either. Basically the receiver will only listen to the transmitter with a matching ID number, even if on the same channel.

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  5 лет назад

      The manual said it’s no longer used. If that’s not accurate I’d love to know!

  • @MrJohnblaine
    @MrJohnblaine 3 года назад

    TY!!!

  • @marclabro
    @marclabro 4 года назад

    Hi Photojoseph, already fan of your Nik tutos especially sylver efex pro 2, I am now discovering your website for hardware. nice tuto. I was just struggling with the zoom button i couldn't display, thanks for the tip :-)

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  4 года назад

      Right on, thanks for stopping by!

  • @RawGreySun
    @RawGreySun 5 лет назад

    I do not have a sync ikon, but i am on ver. 1.0 , is that why? Also can't shoot in HSS with Fuji ? Camera only goes to TTL?

  • @MrHabro13
    @MrHabro13 4 года назад

    This was stupidly helpful - just picked one up and was clicking around like a toddler trying to figure out how to change the channel and didn't realise you had to hold it - SO HELPFUL

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  4 года назад

      awesome, glad it was useful! Thanks for the comment.

  • @JP-yr1sg
    @JP-yr1sg 3 года назад

    The TTL funtion of the (x1t/x2t/Xpro) can control the TT600 (Manual Flash)?

  • @robertduffy6423
    @robertduffy6423 Год назад

    Using the above equipment, if you switch modelling light to 'on' from the trigger, then press your 'depth of field' preview button on your camera, the flash will emit a series of rapid flashes so you do indeed have a modelling light with these flashes. Don't overdo it though

  • @astronola
    @astronola 5 лет назад

    will this trigger voking vk750's?

  • @bct1504
    @bct1504 3 года назад

    Do you know if it is possible to use a xpro(n) to shoot a tt685(s)?

  • @brianbenjamin4574
    @brianbenjamin4574 4 года назад

    This flash vs hvlf60rm? What’s your opinion

  • @tubeman1983
    @tubeman1983 5 лет назад

    Will that red light that assists in focusing improve the auto-focusing capability of the GH5? Thanks

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  5 лет назад +1

      The red light is for focusing in very low light, where the camera might not normally be able to focus. I have’t compared with and without the light in very low light situations. The GH5 AF is stellar for still photos though in any lighting condition. I usually leave those AF assist lights off because I find the super distracting.

  • @leifnilsen6107
    @leifnilsen6107 5 лет назад

    Thank you. Excellent video. Found my mistake during your video.
    I have a Sony, Godox TT600s and trying to use the xpro trigger on this. I have been unsuccessful. I don't suppose you have any ideas?

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  5 лет назад

      I don’t, sorry. Don’t shoot Sony and also don’t have that flash.

  • @risingaquarius7460
    @risingaquarius7460 4 года назад

    Quick question i just purchased ad200 pro and ad400 pro but in order to get them link to together what trigger would be best

  • @losarpettystrakos7687
    @losarpettystrakos7687 4 года назад

    Does the auto focus assist beam work with wide angle lenses? I'm using the Yongnuo 622m trigger, but the beam spot is so small that only the central AF point can be used with a 16mm lens. How big is the coverage on Godox XPro?

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  4 года назад

      I couldn’t tell you but I‘ve not had a problem with it.

  • @carlomarchi8611
    @carlomarchi8611 5 лет назад +1

    Hello Joseph and my compliments for this video! i would like to knwo if it is possble to trigger speedlites (no godox brand) with godox xpro without any receiver o do i need Godox X1R-N? thankd indeed

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  5 лет назад +1

      You need SOMETHING to trigger the remote light. The cheapest route is to get optical slaves. They’re about $10 each and will trigger anything with a hot shoe or PC connector. Search “optical Slave” on amazon. They just have to be line of site; that’s the limitation. And of course everything is manual.

  • @khoily
    @khoily Год назад

    Hi thank you for the tutorial. One question I have is that, when you set a setting on the remote , is it possible to adjust the settings on the flash unit and it will update the settings to the remote. I use flash to shoot multiple exposures and then blend them in post. So I want to avoid having to touch the remote unit attached on the camera if I need to make adjustments.

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  Год назад

      I don’t think that’s possible. The remote can control multiple lights, each with different settings. If you updated the flash, should that propagate the changes to the other flashes? If movement of the camera is a concern, look for a cable that you can but between the camera and the controller. Canon makes on for their lights, for example, that might even work with other brands.

  • @jijinan9567
    @jijinan9567 4 года назад

    Godox v860ii c does he work with canon slr3 (250d)???

  • @janplexy
    @janplexy 5 лет назад

    what happens if you dial power on the speedlight instead on the transmitter? will the power value on the transmitter be changed?

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  5 лет назад

      I believe so but can't test it now. Ask me again in two weeks and I'll check

    • @dirface
      @dirface 5 лет назад

      The flash can work as either master or slave, but I don't think the transmitter can be put in slave mode. In short, when the transmitter fires, the flash setting will be overwritten. However, if you program the flash to trigger manually at let's say 1/128 power from the transmitter, you can override the value on the flash manually on its back panel. The flash will trigger once on the new value, and return to the value set on the trigger after firing because there's no value transmitted back to the transmitter from the flash, as the flash is in slave mode (or it wouldn't be triggered by the transmitter).

  • @waynelewis3449
    @waynelewis3449 3 года назад

    will this control the godox ad600 at the sametime

  • @amansehgal5149
    @amansehgal5149 Год назад

    Hi.. What if I want to adjust the flash to group d or e.. Because the flash shows only groups upto c

  • @whamni
    @whamni 2 года назад

    By any chance will the Godox TT350o work with the XPro remote ?

  • @surfer10360
    @surfer10360 3 года назад

    Thanks for the explanations, they are very clear. However, I do have a question: With this trigger, it is not possible to switch to the MULTI mode, is it?

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  3 года назад

      Hm, I don’t recall, sorry. Check with Godox or just download the user guide for the unit you’re interested in.

  • @sallyanderson8540
    @sallyanderson8540 3 года назад

    Just got this and it looks great. However I cannot see any way to save the group settings so every time I switch it off I have to set these up again. Is there a way to do this?

  • @ChristianLawrence
    @ChristianLawrence 4 года назад

    Thanks for the video. I assume it would not be able to connect to a canon flash. Works great with the Godox V1, but would be awesome if i could also control my canon 470ex-ai. I am assuming not possible but thought i would ask the community. Thanks

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  4 года назад

      All I can tell you is that my O version (Olympus/Panasonic) controller can control the F version (Fuji) flashes, no problem.

  • @kendall8954
    @kendall8954 3 года назад

    I just got the XproS and TT600. I got the flash to connect signal, but the remote seems to have the group set to off. I cant switch to on. Buttons or dial just scroll the menue.

  • @traceyurban2431
    @traceyurban2431 3 года назад

    How do I sync my godox xpro with a Nikon sb600?

  • @OanDeWaal
    @OanDeWaal 2 года назад

    Can the X Pro remotely control the TT600 (which is manual only, no TTL)?

  • @billlichtenstein6409
    @billlichtenstein6409 Год назад

    Just purchased the XPRO N. I have it set as example 1/16 zero, +.3 or +.7. I am assuming that this is exposure compensation. Is there a -.3 or -.7? If so, how do I get there? PS great video, easy to navigate

  • @jamespayne4759
    @jamespayne4759 Год назад

    Will the Xpro allow you to work the flash if the Xpro iis off the camera? J. Payne 8/1/22.

  • @philwebbphotography3630
    @philwebbphotography3630 5 лет назад +1

    Any idea why the trigger gives you the option of have A B C D or E but on the flash when it is in slave you can only seem to select the slave on the flash to only A B or C??? Thank you

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  5 лет назад

      Some strobes have more channels. The V1 goes up to D or maybe even E.

  • @marclabro
    @marclabro 4 года назад

    Hi, by default my xpro was set to ID1 and nothing worked while XT2 was working fine. By comparing i noticed XT2 was set to ID off. So now xpro in IDOFF works fine too. is it normal ? what is this ID parameter ? i thought it was just a name for rcognition during a scan...
    About my XT2, i have a strange display for channels. OFF or ON and in ON mode i see a panel with power, duration, frequency like a RPT... i can't change it to select ttl or manual. any idea ?

  • @TerenceKearns
    @TerenceKearns 5 лет назад +1

    Very nice

  • @swarnalatha6266
    @swarnalatha6266 3 года назад

    Good morning sir..after long time perfect tutorial catched.. your video are diamond 💎💎💎...sir a small doubt..if I use multiple flash with trigger..if I don't fire flashes in 15-20 minute..is it off or in stand by mode sir.... please message me sir....

  • @jadeoliveros3348
    @jadeoliveros3348 Год назад

    Hi do godox tt520 which is a manual type of flash, be controlled like can adjust its power, etc wirelessly?

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  Год назад

      I don’t know that model, sorry. I suggest looking at the specs on the Godox website.

  • @nylafilms5004
    @nylafilms5004 5 лет назад

    does this work with godox lights that are not O branded, such as if you got some godox lights for canon, but an olympus/panasonic trigger, do the lights still work? or do you need (###/O) branded godox lights?

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  5 лет назад

      If you have the latest firmware, they do! In my most recent videos, I've been talking about using F (fuji) labeled lights with my O trigger. Works perfectly!

  • @joesciacca
    @joesciacca 3 года назад

    How do you set HSS on an XPRO Trigger when paired with a V1? I'm breaking my head on this one. On The V1 I just push the sync button, but it just does not appear on the XPRO. HELP!

  • @chrisstocker
    @chrisstocker 4 года назад

    Hold on you have to press the set button after you make changes. Try zooming and then press set?

  • @thelynce1
    @thelynce1 2 года назад

    I have godox v865 II, when I set this on xpro, working, then I got ad200 pro, on xpro working, now I tried both ob chanel one, different groups, non is firing and if I switch one off, also, how I set this back?

    • @photojoseph
      @photojoseph  2 года назад

      Sounds like your channel and groups are mixed up. Make sure the one flash is on the right channel and group