@damsen978Most pyros don't know that they can air blast while holding down m1. Pyros that know what they are doing will force out a rocket with flames. I even go stock pyro with no cosmetics. No one ever expects a random stock pyro to air blast.
I find it amazing and hilarious that "When to engage" part of the original video is basically entry phase of Soldier in Meet the Soldier: "If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight, Sun Tzu said that"
Scout You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left. Soldier You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left. Pyro You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left. Demoman You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left. Heavy You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left. Engineer You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left. Medic You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left. Sniper Walk right in front of their gun Spy You lose by turning around and running at the spy backwards, if he does the same, jump over him and turn around, if he does that, then sit perfectly still and shooting 2 degrees to his left, if he does the same, laugh, then k’llbind or explodebind.
Jump academy is your friend. I've enjoyed rocket jumping so much that I can do reasonably high tier jump maps but I kind of suck at fighting so now I'm incorporating those skills.
How to fight every class as soldier Scout- shoot the floor Soldier- shoot the floor while massing jump Pyro- shotgun Demo- shoot the floor Heavy- shoot the floor around a corner Engi- direct hit Medic- shoot the floor Sniper- shoot the floor Spy- shoot the floor and have anti spy game knowledge every other class should have
@@0xArkemisolider’s splash is so forgiving, that the only way for a scout to escape it is by double jumping (assuming nether the solider or scout have a hight advantage difference that is based on map terrain instead of inherent class mobility options.)and even then it often times still hits the scout unless they are at the apex of their full height double jump.
@@GrimTheFox I think it's just sort of a braindead thing to have. I think it's necessary for game balance but I think it's just frustrating to people that pyro shuts down any and all projectiles
@@gardevoid8412 it's one thing to complain that it's un-fun because the counterplay is boring (just don't shoot), it's another to whine that you died to a reflect when you mindlessly shot rockets at the guy who was clearly looking at you and ready to reflect
@@fumoaddict3526 well yeah definitely true and I find a lot of soldiers do that. But yeah, the idea that you should just stop playing the game is a bit absurd to me. Plus, saying “take a shotgun” completely invalidates certain loadouts, forcing stagnant gameplay loops
Pyro main here (though Soldier's one of my most played too). I LOVE the mind games that pop up with an experienced soldier at close range - it's a game of chicken where the only way out is to hard read the opponent. You give a really great and in-depth analysis, but I think the one thing you didn't emphasize enough is that baiting one airblast doesn't mean a pyro's completely screwed. You can usually get one or maybe two shots off if you're really close, but once airblast is off cooldown the game resets. In a clip like 12:44, a good Pyro still could've reflected that second rocket, so if you know your enemy's good at staying calm under that kind of pressure, don't let up just because you got one hit off. I see too many Soldier players doing that. One of the meanest tricks you can do is firing just a little bit slower than cooldown, but not so slowly that they can start reacting rather than predicting - I've got several hundred hours on Pyro and still don't hit those that consistently. Also, surprised you didn't bring up the Beggar's. It's still possible to get plenty of reflects off on a Beggar's soldier, even though the firerate's a little faster on spam, but a burst fire is too fast to reflect more than one.
@AidsTiger I see nothing here that suggests the commenter is saying that pyro is hard? In fact they seem to be saying it's easier, considering that they mention that pyro doesn't lose immediately after the first bad airblast.
As a soldier main, Fighting pyros can be fun lol. I like to stop and stare at them when I notice they are preparing a reflect. and then we just both stand there doing nothing but looking at eachother.
I think reflecting 2 beggar's rockets at once is possible, since airblast hitbox is so long. One rocket a bit behind the pyro, and another rocket is right on the front edge of airblast. If pyro angles the hitbox to the side, and soldier is firing from slight elevation, that should be doable.
I feel like pyro against soldiers is similar to how trickstabbing for spy is a matter of how creative you can be. There are already well defined ways to reflect, just like there are well defined trickstabs, e.g. waiting for the shoot interval. This works on 80% of soldiers once, and it works less and less the more times it succeeded. Once the soldier becomes aware of the pyro's "trick", the pyro can become a bit more creative: - Some soldiers tend to have very specific "extra" wait time before they shoot, pyros can abuse this - If the soldier has a different teammate nearby, the pyro can pretend to focus on them while listening to the soldier's shots and turn around when he's about to shoot for the second time - If the soldier really doesn't want to shoot rockets, the pyro can throw him off by rushing into him with flames and some secondary, and then abuse the shoot interval - Reserve shooter is a really good punishing tool against soldiers who rocket jump away from danger - Bait 4 rockets around the corner and then rush to the soldier - Airblasting soldiers (and anyone, really) into the air can really mess up the aim of someone (useful against shotgun users) - Changing hats mid-game can unironically work - and so on It's one of two favourite match-ups, it's always fun to find ways to punish good soldiers. Cheers, 1200+ hour pyro main
how to fight against pyro as soldier: use a shotgun. it works the best from what ive played, im a reflect loving pyro main myself so im scared to shoot rockets at pyros😂
I love me some shotguns with solly. I carry a reserve shooter on me 80% of the time. Dont get me wrong, I love roamer soldier but shotguns are so valuable.
as a pyro main I enjoy baiting soldiers into thinking I am waiting for a reflect, then W+M1 at them, and then once they think I'm not gonna airblast I airblast. I've gotten a lot of point blank reflect kills this way
@@icyan393 I mean it doesn’t really take a lot of skill to get a reflect. I mean if you look at the airblast hitbox you’ll see that it’s not really that difficult to get a reflect. I’m more pissed about not being able to play demokight because the pyro can look in my general direction and I’m fucked
@mileskile9520 YEAH I get that. I also main Demoknight I know the pain. I don't airblast Demoknights if I can help it (sometimes muscle memory kicks in) I instead pull out my melee and fight them equally. Much more fun
Against Engineer, I find that if he is using the Wrangler or just capable of effectively tanking his sentry in general, that it's a good idea to instead aim any rockets at him and/or his Dispenser rather than the Sentry. Catching the Engineer with enough splash or directs will simply kill him and make taking down his Sentry easier, while aiming for his Dispenser will either: 1) Divide his attention between maintaining his Sentry and his Dispenser if he's far away from his Dispenser. 2) Remove his constant metal resupply if he's near his Dispenser. 3) Will also damage the Engineer if he's right next to his Dispenser. 4) At the very least it removes a source of health and ammo for his team and you get to feel good about the coveted Dispenser Pick.
Good to see experienced player still making nice informative videos in these times of tf2, i havent played for like 5 years and mainig soldier was my favourite thing to do. Veterans and new players both can learn much from you, good luck with future videos
Thank you so much for these videos! Coincidentally, I decided to main soldier when you started making these guides, and they have helped me so much! After 1800 hours it's so cool I'm still learning new stuff about this game :)
Thank you so much for this video! I'm not very good with thinking about why I die, and I've been craving a video like this that spells out in black and white terms what I should be doing. The accompanying footage also helps a ton. The way you phrased certain things also made me laugh, 10/10 video. Edit: First round I played after watching this video and I was immediately doing better. I feel like I really can't thank you enough!
So happy to see this type of video with Soldier! I main the class and I have been liking your soldier centric videos a lot! Keep it up. But I would love to see you cover this topic with Shotgun and Banners soldiers. I like playing support/pocket soldier a lot and those weapons can really change up the game.
This is a very good video. Thanks for making it. Id recommend jump maps to get better at solider as you learn mobility and the speed of rockets with sync. They are also immensly fun and the closest thing to a single player game tf2 has to offer. The maps, jumps and difficulty varies. The community is friendly. Also play ever 9 classes. Soldiers aim relies a lot on prediction. Knowing the best move to counter when playing the other class will teach you prediction. Great video and fun tips! Thanks
Dear scarybroccoli, This video is an absolute masterpiece for both beginners and veterans on how to deal with each encounters by instinct rather than sniffing glue and eating zaza whilst you play Beggar's Bazooka Soldier with a Markiplier and ManTreadmilWork And i'd like for you to make another video on how to FIGHT 9 mercenaries as the Mad Cap and WIN Your truest, Random Person stumbling on your video
Reminder that the reserve shooter literally gives you free mini-crits for hitting aerial enemies, meaning you can kill most classes in the game without needing to use more than 2 rockets if you time and aim right.
As a someone who plays spy often, soldier it's the best class at catching invisible fleeting spies short of pyro, but even then he isn't good, as a soldier you have to hit splash 3 times in a row and the spy has to only successfully juke you once to force you to have to guess at random where he went, it's the same for a demo, as a spy you should be able to escape a 1v1 whilst going invisible consistently if you know how to mind game, juke and surf damage, you are literally invisible after all. (unless you're in an enclosed space, or got jared by his teamate then yeah, you're dead.)
As a scout main, I find myself having a really hard time dealing with soldiers especially in close ranges. Their health pool and splash damage make it difficult at times to get the kill before they kill me.
Getting adept at shotgun has a major perk of completely befuddling certain pyros in a 1v1. It's a rare occurrence but you may witness some players frantically backpedaling whilst right clicking at your secondary.
I watched this video since i have roughly 250 hours played on Soldier alone and he is by far my favourite class is any game let alone just TF2 and i must say the advice given here is absolutely solid, Soldier is the definition of a class that is easy to pickup but hard to master.
Funny how many people point out that soldier has a low skill floor and then either put aside or completely ignore the rocket jumping aspect which is among the highest skill ceiling things in this game by far. Soldier also has the most skill intensive subclass in trolldier. There are soldiers who can't fight well at all but can bust out a t6 jump map with impressive speed. Conversely there are soldiers who probably couldn't even do a t3 jump map and go godlike in pubs. Combining these two aspects of the class make his skill ceiling unbelievably high.
No one in their right mind rocket jump 6 times in a row, you only see that in jumping servers cuz you don’t lose health there. At best you’ll see 3-4 times by competitive players, because they’re already well aware of the map structure and have a route to health packs. You don’t wanna be like LazyPurple, lmao.
as a spy main I 100% agree that soldier is a good counter to spy. And unlike pyro he actually feels fair to die to. (90%of the time) Also deadlyness of a spy (imo) isn't really about how good him or the enemy team is but moreso about how good is his team compared to the other team. You can have good by casual standards team but if they're fighting froyotech even a 10 hour spy can get the job done. Great video btw
Back when I used to play Spy I always found the hardest time dealing with Soldier. Pyro was honestly not even close. Now that I play a lot more Soldier and Pyro I still think Soldier is way better at dealing with Spy than Pyro. The splash radius on rockets is just so amazingly generous for tracking cloaked spies and has a far greater effective range than Pyro does against Spy.
I kinda disagree. Soldier can counter every class, depending on the game and skill of the enemies. (Strong pyros can easily counter soldiers). Also, soldier has probably one of the lowest skill floors in the game, as rockets are easily understandable and fairly easy to hit for beginner players (Soldier is one of my lower played classes, but I can still do very well at it lol). Though I agree his skill ceiling is very high, like all the other classes.
@@redude08 highest skill ceiling is also bait, most of soldier's rocket jumping can be practiced anytime. Practicing spy is way harder and much more punishable and less forgiving than soldier's tanky ass health with weapons so good that its better than 1 class alone
Condensed down to how 16% of the casual soldiers will need the full video. 1. Have high ground 2. Sit on health pack 3. Use corners for cheese splash damage 4. Use corners to annoy the f out of heavies. 5. Spam engi nests 6. Avoid the sniper areas. 7. If you get to a light class, just shoot the floor aim not required. 8. Lol when you trade even when you know you could have played better. 9. Don't ever use the melee. 10. Rocket jump away the moment you know you don't have the clip size for a bombing.
As a god tier gunspy myself (stock revolver enjoyer), I rarely go for fights against soldiers unless they're somewhere below like 140 health or I'm at such a range that the soldier cannot do anything about me peppering them for 21 repeatedly. 150+ health is just a very hard threshold for spy to hit when he can get 2-3 shot. So a good gunspy will avoid fighting in this disadvantage unless they're sure they'll get away with it, so take note of that and be careful if they are engaging during these times. There might be a trap waiting for you of some sort if you bomb. I would say Soldier and Scout are probably gunspy's 2 hardest matchups, so if you've got the health for it, bait out a dead ringer and then give chase to wherever you think they'll reposition and just outdamage them. You might be at critical health but the spy should be absolutely dead as long as you very aggressively push into them post DR decloak, similar to fighting a demoman really. Now of course, if the spy is positioned well enough, a few revolver shots might be enough to ruin your momentum when bombing, so try to stay out of the sightline when trying this until the last possible moment. I apply this knowledge when fighting good gunspies (rare) while I play soldier and it gives very good results. Pop the DR, chase, finish them off if possible
This might be a controversial opinion, but I’ve actually seen this happen. Is that scouts are not very good against the liberty launcher sure it will take an extra rocket to kill them, but every person has built muscle memory around dodging stock and the direct hit. No one anticipates the liberty launcher, and because it breaks muscle memory every time I have gone into a matchup against a very competent scout. I have won about 90% of my matchups. This also works well against Pyro since they have built the exact same muscle memory about for reflecting
12:20 When a pyro is like this I always walk towards them and they get so confused until they airblast me to gain some space and THEN I shoot a rocket. 15:50 Just you wait, one day or one decade sooner or later heavy will get a gun that allows him to be on equal footing when corner peaking and then yall will be in trouble. Thankfully Team Fortress 2 Classic gives him an artillery cannon.
...as a "sentient" engineer player, I don't use wrangler because it's ass to play against. Instead I prefer SC as it allows me to 1v1 soldiers and demos with some consistency even when I don't have a turret. Also great for protecting turret and teammates, and for catching spies, and for obscuring head hitbox a bit as a (copious) defence against a sniper. Oh and there's a jumping tech with it but it's niche.
Nice vid very informative I though I will say that in the pyro section you said close range rockets are impossible to reflect this is false sure it's very skill dependent but false none the less. Everything else in this video is right on the money really that was the only outlier.
I dont know exactly what I said but what I meant was: close range rockets are impossible to reaction reflect, the pyro has to predict when the soldier is going to fire to reflect the rocket.
When I’m encountering a pyro I just do a combo which is use the shotgun first then rocket launcher then I do the same thing again to mess there airblast
How to win every fight against EVERY class as Soldier 1) Equip Gunboats or Concheror 1b) (Optional) Activate Conch 2) Rocket jump in 3) Spam rockets at feets until everything die 4) Rocket jump to a healthpack 5) Rinse and repeat It's Soldier. Not Engi, Spy, Pyro, Sniper or Medic. There's no difficulty playing Soldier beyond learning to rocket jump. Unlocks removes any an all problems this class could have.
Wait you are telling me if you ignore the most skill expressive and intensive movement option in the game, a core aspect of the class, it becomes less hard than other classes with no skilled movement? How can this possibly be???
@@Schtoples "There's no difficulty playing Soldier beyond learning to rocket jump." I literally wrote it for you the first time. You don't need rocket jumping DURING a fight. Only to get to or away from a fight. FIGHTING classes as Soldier is easy : spam rockets at feet. That's it. The "difficulty" of Soldier is getting into the position to be able to spam rockets. And that is done with rocket jumping. A "skill" even someone like me manage to hone in barely an afternoon with rocket jump servers. So it REALLY isn't as hard of a skill to master as people pretend. Soldier is almost-skill-void overpowered class, made for people that wanna pretend they're good at the game but can't manage to learn any of the other 8 classes that ACTUALLY have some weaknesses to overcome.
@@drucy.Soldier is objectively one of the best balanced classes in all of gaming, you’re either extremely salty of haven’t played any game in recent 10 years other than TF2. You don’t need to even look that far, if you want to see an ACTUAL overpowered soldier, Overwatch just now has extreme Pharah meta, where she is literally a win condition, even in pubs. Is soldier a win condition in TF even in pubs? No. And no way you can call soldier easiest class in the game when “LMB is skill” Heavy exists.
@@ilyakusenco8151 "Is soldier a win condition in TF even in pubs? No." Actually yes, it is. Team-stacking Soldiers is a strategy that works 99.99% of time. There's a reason why 6s teams have TWO Soldiers at all time and them being the most game-defining class of Competitive (Arguably more than Medic. Arguably.) "“LMB is skill” Heavy exists." Heavy need situationnal awareness to not die to Snipers and Spies, and the tracking required to consistantly land shot do require regular training. "Soldier is objectively one of the best balanced classes in all of gaming," HAH, the not-at-all biased take of a Soldier main who think their opinion is a fact. Soldier has : - Tank-level of hp - Absurdly immense, easy-to-learn, low-cost mobility (said cost can even be reduced further) - High consistant damage with VERY forgiving splash damage basically eliminating the need for precise aiming - Unlocks that boost his survivability by an enormous amount... as if he needed it. No. Soldier is NOT balanced at all. He offers TOO MUCH for how little skill it takes to play him.
the fact that he can just mindless shot the ground and deal 100-70 damage is just irritating, i main scout and doesn’t matter how much i double jump the splash damage always deals 70+ damage and 2 shots me while i actually have to aim, consider that EVERY MAP IN TF2 IS A CHOKE POINT HELL and you have a class that is braindead easy and the best class in the game.
@@1Igor938 rethink your fights and how you play scout and how you think ingame and what map you're on and whether or not its good for scout and you won't run into this issue
How do you get rid of soldier’s hand when using the penis cannon? I use weapon fov 90, and his hand is juuust out of frame. Haven’t used the original because of that annoyance.
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90% of Soldiers stop shooting rockets right before the Pyro misses an airblast.
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Shooting a pyro when you have gunboats really does feel like Sisyphus
Pyro picked a bad day to be phlog😆
@damsen978Most pyros don't know that they can air blast while holding down m1. Pyros that know what they are doing will force out a rocket with flames. I even go stock pyro with no cosmetics. No one ever expects a random stock pyro to air blast.
I find it amazing and hilarious that "When to engage" part of the original video is basically entry phase of Soldier in Meet the Soldier: "If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight, Sun Tzu said that"
Uncle jane.
*auntie
@@jaesjmes5498 nah man Jane is soldiers name
Adhd version
Pyro: shotgun
Everyone else: rocket go kaboom
Not accurate
Wait for airblast
how to fight every class as spy (and lose)
Scout
You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left.
Soldier
You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left.
Pyro
You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left.
Demoman
You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left.
Heavy
You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left.
Engineer
You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left.
Medic
You lose by standing perfectly still and shooting exactly 2 degrees to their left.
Sniper
Walk right in front of their gun
Spy
You lose by turning around and running at the spy backwards, if he does the same, jump over him and turn around, if he does that, then sit perfectly still and shooting 2 degrees to his left, if he does the same, laugh, then k’llbind or explodebind.
My Soldier's greatest enemy is my poor rocket jump skill
Jump academy is your friend. I've enjoyed rocket jumping so much that I can do reasonably high tier jump maps but I kind of suck at fighting so now I'm incorporating those skills.
How to fight every class as soldier
Scout- shoot the floor
Soldier- shoot the floor while massing jump
Pyro- shotgun
Demo- shoot the floor
Heavy- shoot the floor around a corner
Engi- direct hit
Medic- shoot the floor
Sniper- shoot the floor
Spy- shoot the floor and have anti spy game knowledge every other class should have
im seeing a pattern here
@@Sighlar1of course you do, it's on the floor
a good scout doesnt touch the floor
@@0xArkemi shoot the wall
@@0xArkemisolider’s splash is so forgiving, that the only way for a scout to escape it is by double jumping (assuming nether the solider or scout have a hight advantage difference that is based on map terrain instead of inherent class mobility options.)and even then it often times still hits the scout unless they are at the apex of their full height double jump.
"30% of pyro mains that play without a monitor" more like 30% of tf2 players in general
I use echolocation and the sound goes into the game and it works pretty sure most high level players do it too
LMAO you would think that 80% of casual players don't have a keyboard and mouse.
How on Earth they just play with a keyboard
I am going to send this video to any gibus soldier whining about pyro "hard countering" their rocket spam from now on, thank you.
as a pyro its always fun to see people whine abou reflects
@@GrimTheFox I think it's just sort of a braindead thing to have. I think it's necessary for game balance but I think it's just frustrating to people that pyro shuts down any and all projectiles
@@gardevoid8412 it's one thing to complain that it's un-fun because the counterplay is boring (just don't shoot), it's another to whine that you died to a reflect when you mindlessly shot rockets at the guy who was clearly looking at you and ready to reflect
the worst thing is the reason you meet them wining is because they refuse to adjust their playstyle to not be so dam predictable
@@fumoaddict3526 well yeah definitely true and I find a lot of soldiers do that. But yeah, the idea that you should just stop playing the game is a bit absurd to me. Plus, saying “take a shotgun” completely invalidates certain loadouts, forcing stagnant gameplay loops
Pyro main here (though Soldier's one of my most played too). I LOVE the mind games that pop up with an experienced soldier at close range - it's a game of chicken where the only way out is to hard read the opponent. You give a really great and in-depth analysis, but I think the one thing you didn't emphasize enough is that baiting one airblast doesn't mean a pyro's completely screwed. You can usually get one or maybe two shots off if you're really close, but once airblast is off cooldown the game resets. In a clip like 12:44, a good Pyro still could've reflected that second rocket, so if you know your enemy's good at staying calm under that kind of pressure, don't let up just because you got one hit off. I see too many Soldier players doing that. One of the meanest tricks you can do is firing just a little bit slower than cooldown, but not so slowly that they can start reacting rather than predicting - I've got several hundred hours on Pyro and still don't hit those that consistently.
Also, surprised you didn't bring up the Beggar's. It's still possible to get plenty of reflects off on a Beggar's soldier, even though the firerate's a little faster on spam, but a burst fire is too fast to reflect more than one.
God damn pyros do nothing but lie to themselves about how hard their class is
@AidsTiger I see nothing here that suggests the commenter is saying that pyro is hard? In fact they seem to be saying it's easier, considering that they mention that pyro doesn't lose immediately after the first bad airblast.
As a soldier main, Fighting pyros can be fun lol. I like to stop and stare at them when I notice they are preparing a reflect. and then we just both stand there doing nothing but looking at eachother.
I think reflecting 2 beggar's rockets at once is possible, since airblast hitbox is so long. One rocket a bit behind the pyro, and another rocket is right on the front edge of airblast. If pyro angles the hitbox to the side, and soldier is firing from slight elevation, that should be doable.
I feel like pyro against soldiers is similar to how trickstabbing for spy is a matter of how creative you can be.
There are already well defined ways to reflect, just like there are well defined trickstabs, e.g. waiting for the shoot interval. This works on 80% of soldiers once, and it works less and less the more times it succeeded.
Once the soldier becomes aware of the pyro's "trick", the pyro can become a bit more creative:
- Some soldiers tend to have very specific "extra" wait time before they shoot, pyros can abuse this
- If the soldier has a different teammate nearby, the pyro can pretend to focus on them while listening to the soldier's shots and turn around when he's about to shoot for the second time
- If the soldier really doesn't want to shoot rockets, the pyro can throw him off by rushing into him with flames and some secondary, and then abuse the shoot interval
- Reserve shooter is a really good punishing tool against soldiers who rocket jump away from danger
- Bait 4 rockets around the corner and then rush to the soldier
- Airblasting soldiers (and anyone, really) into the air can really mess up the aim of someone (useful against shotgun users)
- Changing hats mid-game can unironically work
- and so on
It's one of two favourite match-ups, it's always fun to find ways to punish good soldiers.
Cheers,
1200+ hour pyro main
That's some solid advice right here ✍️✍️✍️
As a beginning pyro main I will take this wisdom and apply it
Changing hats to make the enemy Soldier think you're a different Pyro is evil. I love it.
Too basic tips):
My #1 strat against a good pyro is to violently flick my mouse to one side without shooting and it baits an airblast 100% of the time
6:12 That RED Soldier must've done something unforgivable sin that even God cannot show mercy to him from 2 random crit rockets and Phlog pyro.
It funny how when like 80% of competitive oriented tf2ubers talk about pyro, there’s always a thin layer of disgust and hatred to their words.
maybe you should listen to them
how to fight against pyro as soldier: use a shotgun. it works the best from what ive played, im a reflect loving pyro main myself so im scared to shoot rockets at pyros😂
I love me some shotguns with solly. I carry a reserve shooter on me 80% of the time. Dont get me wrong, I love roamer soldier but shotguns are so valuable.
as a pyro main I enjoy baiting soldiers into thinking I am waiting for a reflect, then W+M1 at them, and then once they think I'm not gonna airblast I airblast. I've gotten a lot of point blank reflect kills this way
So you just run at them and hit m1 and m2 interchangeably? Such high skill plays
@@mileskile9520 Did you get killed by your own rocket or something
@@icyan393 I mean it doesn’t really take a lot of skill to get a reflect. I mean if you look at the airblast hitbox you’ll see that it’s not really that difficult to get a reflect. I’m more pissed about not being able to play demokight because the pyro can look in my general direction and I’m fucked
@mileskile9520 YEAH I get that. I also main Demoknight I know the pain. I don't airblast Demoknights if I can help it (sometimes muscle memory kicks in) I instead pull out my melee and fight them equally. Much more fun
@@mileskile9520 Airblast doesn't take much skill but to be fair in that same regard, soldier's splash damage doesn't either.
Against Engineer, I find that if he is using the Wrangler or just capable of effectively tanking his sentry in general, that it's a good idea to instead aim any rockets at him and/or his Dispenser rather than the Sentry. Catching the Engineer with enough splash or directs will simply kill him and make taking down his Sentry easier, while aiming for his Dispenser will either: 1) Divide his attention between maintaining his Sentry and his Dispenser if he's far away from his Dispenser. 2) Remove his constant metal resupply if he's near his Dispenser. 3) Will also damage the Engineer if he's right next to his Dispenser. 4) At the very least it removes a source of health and ammo for his team and you get to feel good about the coveted Dispenser Pick.
hey, I'm the medic from around 12:50, nice soldier push :D
i was literally looking for this video on your channel an hour before you dropped this, bless your heart
1:00 blue balled the f*ck out of that spy
I appreciate you not crying sniper broken and actually teaching people how to fight a sniper in a pro manner. Good video
When in doubt, shovel.
Good to see experienced player still making nice informative videos in these times of tf2, i havent played for like 5 years and mainig soldier was my favourite thing to do. Veterans and new players both can learn much from you, good luck with future videos
Thank you so much for these videos! Coincidentally, I decided to main soldier when you started making these guides, and they have helped me so much! After 1800 hours it's so cool I'm still learning new stuff about this game :)
Thank you so much for this video! I'm not very good with thinking about why I die, and I've been craving a video like this that spells out in black and white terms what I should be doing. The accompanying footage also helps a ton. The way you phrased certain things also made me laugh, 10/10 video.
Edit: First round I played after watching this video and I was immediately doing better. I feel like I really can't thank you enough!
You will end up in my frag movie, just wait… 8)
Not if you end up in my frag movie first!
So happy to see this type of video with Soldier! I main the class and I have been liking your soldier centric videos a lot! Keep it up. But I would love to see you cover this topic with Shotgun and Banners soldiers. I like playing support/pocket soldier a lot and those weapons can really change up the game.
This is a very good video. Thanks for making it. Id recommend jump maps to get better at solider as you learn mobility and the speed of rockets with sync. They are also immensly fun and the closest thing to a single player game tf2 has to offer. The maps, jumps and difficulty varies. The community is friendly. Also play ever 9 classes. Soldiers aim relies a lot on prediction. Knowing the best move to counter when playing the other class will teach you prediction. Great video and fun tips! Thanks
very good and informative video from a small channel, didnt expect to be so engaged with your tips and knowledge lol keep it up
Great video bud. Editing and scripting is getting better and you're sounding more confident reading the lines too. Wishing you all the best!
I watched your demoman video yesterday and was looking for similar video for soldier and you literally released it. I'm one lucky soldier man
4:37 "You need to end the fight before you die" 🤯
5:50 omg had to do a double take, I’m the confused medic!
Dear scarybroccoli,
This video is an absolute masterpiece for both beginners and veterans on how to deal with each encounters by instinct rather than sniffing glue and eating zaza whilst you play Beggar's Bazooka Soldier with a Markiplier and ManTreadmilWork
And i'd like for you to make another video on how to FIGHT 9 mercenaries as the Mad Cap and WIN
Your truest, Random Person stumbling on your video
ive been using soldier more recently this is gonna be helpful!
Reminder that the reserve shooter literally gives you free mini-crits for hitting aerial enemies, meaning you can kill most classes in the game without needing to use more than 2 rockets if you time and aim right.
Nice vid.
Gonna wait "how to fight every class as scout (and win)"
As a someone who plays spy often, soldier it's the best class at catching invisible fleeting spies short of pyro, but even then he isn't good, as a soldier you have to hit splash 3 times in a row and the spy has to only successfully juke you once to force you to have to guess at random where he went, it's the same for a demo, as a spy you should be able to escape a 1v1 whilst going invisible consistently if you know how to mind game, juke and surf damage, you are literally invisible after all. (unless you're in an enclosed space, or got jared by his teamate then yeah, you're dead.)
As a scout main, I find myself having a really hard time dealing with soldiers especially in close ranges. Their health pool and splash damage make it difficult at times to get the kill before they kill me.
oh scarybroccoli, where do i begin
did not expect to run into scarybroccoli on youtube
good vid 👍
Getting adept at shotgun has a major perk of completely befuddling certain pyros in a 1v1. It's a rare occurrence but you may witness some players frantically backpedaling whilst right clicking at your secondary.
I watched this video since i have roughly 250 hours played on Soldier alone and he is by far my favourite class is any game let alone just TF2 and i must say the advice given here is absolutely solid, Soldier is the definition of a class that is easy to pickup but hard to master.
soldier dont need a video of how to beat every class 😭
Bug and awesome video bro, your channel is swag
sick video, the edit and music are great
thanks for the help! Now i know how to counter soldier as pyro better, thank you!
Pyro: click mouse 1 slightly less
All the other classes: click mouse 1
uncle jane
Funny how many people point out that soldier has a low skill floor and then either put aside or completely ignore the rocket jumping aspect which is among the highest skill ceiling things in this game by far. Soldier also has the most skill intensive subclass in trolldier. There are soldiers who can't fight well at all but can bust out a t6 jump map with impressive speed. Conversely there are soldiers who probably couldn't even do a t3 jump map and go godlike in pubs. Combining these two aspects of the class make his skill ceiling unbelievably high.
No one in their right mind rocket jump 6 times in a row, you only see that in jumping servers cuz you don’t lose health there. At best you’ll see 3-4 times by competitive players, because they’re already well aware of the map structure and have a route to health packs. You don’t wanna be like LazyPurple, lmao.
This video isn't perfect but it's really easy to understand and I think many newer tf2 players could benefit from watching it.
as a spy main I 100% agree that soldier is a good counter to spy.
And unlike pyro he actually feels fair to die to. (90%of the time)
Also deadlyness of a spy (imo) isn't really about how good him or the enemy team is but moreso about how good is his team compared to the other team.
You can have good by casual standards team but if they're fighting froyotech even a 10 hour spy can get the job done.
Great video btw
i find flicking my mouse without shooting at pyros baits out airblasts quite often.
SUPER SMASH BROS BRAWL THEME HELL YEAH!!!
Love the music, reminds me of matchup vids for melee I used to watch
the easiest thing to do when you fight a pyro is just stare at them because sometimes they panic reflect
Back when I used to play Spy I always found the hardest time dealing with Soldier. Pyro was honestly not even close. Now that I play a lot more Soldier and Pyro I still think Soldier is way better at dealing with Spy than Pyro. The splash radius on rockets is just so amazingly generous for tracking cloaked spies and has a far greater effective range than Pyro does against Spy.
very cool very useful video, what hud do you use?
looks like budhud
I use budhud
yooo the 5 am scarybroccoli upload
My goat
Soldier counters every class, but is one of the highest skill ceiling classes in the game.
I kinda disagree. Soldier can counter every class, depending on the game and skill of the enemies. (Strong pyros can easily counter soldiers). Also, soldier has probably one of the lowest skill floors in the game, as rockets are easily understandable and fairly easy to hit for beginner players (Soldier is one of my lower played classes, but I can still do very well at it lol). Though I agree his skill ceiling is very high, like all the other classes.
Scout and sniper counter soldier
Bait
highest skill floor my ass lmao
@@redude08 highest skill ceiling is also bait, most of soldier's rocket jumping can be practiced anytime.
Practicing spy is way harder and much more punishable and less forgiving than soldier's tanky ass health with weapons so good that its better than 1 class alone
Scouts get one hit from buff bannered direct hit
Yeah, if you don’t fight a diamondback spy shot if you are good luck, you would die two shots
Its over, Soldier! I have the high ground!
great, now make a "how fight any class as soldier (and lose)"
Condensed down to how 16% of the casual soldiers will need the full video.
1. Have high ground
2. Sit on health pack
3. Use corners for cheese splash damage
4. Use corners to annoy the f out of heavies.
5. Spam engi nests
6. Avoid the sniper areas.
7. If you get to a light class, just shoot the floor aim not required.
8. Lol when you trade even when you know you could have played better.
9. Don't ever use the melee.
10. Rocket jump away the moment you know you don't have the clip size for a bombing.
18:20 engi mains do that because it takes time to set up so if youre team is losing a point you might as well set up on the next
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This video is both how to beat every class as soldier and how to beat solder as any class
As a god tier gunspy myself (stock revolver enjoyer), I rarely go for fights against soldiers unless they're somewhere below like 140 health or I'm at such a range that the soldier cannot do anything about me peppering them for 21 repeatedly. 150+ health is just a very hard threshold for spy to hit when he can get 2-3 shot. So a good gunspy will avoid fighting in this disadvantage unless they're sure they'll get away with it, so take note of that and be careful if they are engaging during these times. There might be a trap waiting for you of some sort if you bomb.
I would say Soldier and Scout are probably gunspy's 2 hardest matchups, so if you've got the health for it, bait out a dead ringer and then give chase to wherever you think they'll reposition and just outdamage them. You might be at critical health but the spy should be absolutely dead as long as you very aggressively push into them post DR decloak, similar to fighting a demoman really.
Now of course, if the spy is positioned well enough, a few revolver shots might be enough to ruin your momentum when bombing, so try to stay out of the sightline when trying this until the last possible moment. I apply this knowledge when fighting good gunspies (rare) while I play soldier and it gives very good results. Pop the DR, chase, finish them off if possible
step 1: shoot the ground
step 2: you won
How to fight 99% as a soldier
Step 1 shoot ground
Step 2 win
Tldr; kaboom
I just wish soldier did more damage! Just a bit more damage, cause my rockets hit for shit sometimes.
Bro talking like the soldier doesn't kill everything by just existing.
tru solly is too op :( cant plu game
Good video but I'd add to use market gardener vs sniper as they basically sit still. Though its good vs most classes.
This might be a controversial opinion, but I’ve actually seen this happen. Is that scouts are not very good against the liberty launcher sure it will take an extra rocket to kill them, but every person has built muscle memory around dodging stock and the direct hit. No one anticipates the liberty launcher, and because it breaks muscle memory every time I have gone into a matchup against a very competent scout. I have won about 90% of my matchups. This also works well against Pyro since they have built the exact same muscle memory about for reflecting
12:20 When a pyro is like this I always walk towards them and they get so confused until they airblast me to gain some space and THEN I shoot a rocket.
15:50 Just you wait, one day or one decade sooner or later heavy will get a gun that allows him to be on equal footing when corner peaking and then yall will be in trouble. Thankfully Team Fortress 2 Classic gives him an artillery cannon.
1:48 luckiest spy:
As a Direct Hit main user, absolutely avoid using it against good scouts.
0:36 incoming jumpscare
...as a "sentient" engineer player, I don't use wrangler because it's ass to play against. Instead I prefer SC as it allows me to 1v1 soldiers and demos with some consistency even when I don't have a turret. Also great for protecting turret and teammates, and for catching spies, and for obscuring head hitbox a bit as a (copious) defence against a sniper.
Oh and there's a jumping tech with it but it's niche.
I would much rather play against wrangler than SC but I might be a tiny bit biased... lol
12:35 i think the reason they dont shoot any flames is so they can see your rocket better
The best load out for pyros and scout is schwicky Schwag and panic attack
inb4 "just shoot 2 rockets at feet"
Shoot at floor. Thats how to play soldier
10:00 if fighting is sure to result in victory then you must fight
Nice vid very informative I though I will say that in the pyro section you said close range rockets are impossible to reflect this is false sure it's very skill dependent but false none the less. Everything else in this video is right on the money really that was the only outlier.
I dont know exactly what I said but what I meant was: close range rockets are impossible to reaction reflect, the pyro has to predict when the soldier is going to fire to reflect the rocket.
When I’m encountering a pyro I just do a combo which is use the shotgun first then rocket launcher then I do the same thing again to mess there airblast
bros next video is a tutorial on walking
left click. sometimes press Q.
16:25 "dalokus bar"😭😭
How to win every fight against EVERY class as Soldier
1) Equip Gunboats or Concheror
1b) (Optional) Activate Conch
2) Rocket jump in
3) Spam rockets at feets until everything die
4) Rocket jump to a healthpack
5) Rinse and repeat
It's Soldier. Not Engi, Spy, Pyro, Sniper or Medic.
There's no difficulty playing Soldier beyond learning to rocket jump.
Unlocks removes any an all problems this class could have.
Wait you are telling me if you ignore the most skill expressive and intensive movement option in the game, a core aspect of the class, it becomes less hard than other classes with no skilled movement? How can this possibly be???
@@Schtoples "There's no difficulty playing Soldier beyond learning to rocket jump."
I literally wrote it for you the first time.
You don't need rocket jumping DURING a fight. Only to get to or away from a fight.
FIGHTING classes as Soldier is easy : spam rockets at feet. That's it.
The "difficulty" of Soldier is getting into the position to be able to spam rockets.
And that is done with rocket jumping. A "skill" even someone like me manage to hone in barely an afternoon with rocket jump servers.
So it REALLY isn't as hard of a skill to master as people pretend.
Soldier is almost-skill-void overpowered class, made for people that wanna pretend they're good at the game but can't manage to learn any of the other 8 classes that ACTUALLY have some weaknesses to overcome.
@@drucy.Soldier is objectively one of the best balanced classes in all of gaming, you’re either extremely salty of haven’t played any game in recent 10 years other than TF2. You don’t need to even look that far, if you want to see an ACTUAL overpowered soldier, Overwatch just now has extreme Pharah meta, where she is literally a win condition, even in pubs. Is soldier a win condition in TF even in pubs? No. And no way you can call soldier easiest class in the game when “LMB is skill” Heavy exists.
@@ilyakusenco8151
"Is soldier a win condition in TF even in pubs? No."
Actually yes, it is. Team-stacking Soldiers is a strategy that works 99.99% of time.
There's a reason why 6s teams have TWO Soldiers at all time and them being the most game-defining class of Competitive (Arguably more than Medic. Arguably.)
"“LMB is skill” Heavy exists."
Heavy need situationnal awareness to not die to Snipers and Spies, and the tracking required to consistantly land shot do require regular training.
"Soldier is objectively one of the best balanced classes in all of gaming,"
HAH, the not-at-all biased take of a Soldier main who think their opinion is a fact.
Soldier has :
- Tank-level of hp
- Absurdly immense, easy-to-learn, low-cost mobility (said cost can even be reduced further)
- High consistant damage with VERY forgiving splash damage basically eliminating the need for precise aiming
- Unlocks that boost his survivability by an enormous amount... as if he needed it.
No. Soldier is NOT balanced at all.
He offers TOO MUCH for how little skill it takes to play him.
How many hours do you have on the game dawg
Scout can be either the easiest or hardest
Scarybroccoli ? Wanna eat brocoli ?😊
You gonna cover all the generalist classes, or just the explosive ones?
Hello, what graphics config are you using?
cool video, diminished by the fact soldier is borderline op in pubs and choke maps and is just really good at winning
that diminishes nothing about the video
Ok?
Just get good at pyro or better yet learn how to use the short-circuit.
the fact that he can just mindless shot the ground and deal 100-70 damage is just irritating, i main scout and doesn’t matter how much i double jump the splash damage always deals 70+ damage and 2 shots me while i actually have to aim, consider that EVERY MAP IN TF2 IS A CHOKE POINT HELL and you have a class that is braindead easy and the best class in the game.
@@1Igor938 rethink your fights and how you play scout and how you think ingame and what map you're on and whether or not its good for scout and you won't run into this issue
Wow uncle dan
How do you get rid of soldier’s hand when using the penis cannon? I use weapon fov 90, and his hand is juuust out of frame. Haven’t used the original because of that annoyance.
I think there is a mod somewhere on gamebanana but I don't use it, I think I just have it barely off the screen.
the amount of dh rockets I've reflected point blank is way too high
The direct hit is overconfidence melted down and turned into a rocket launcher
@@scarybroccoli but I can hit my rockets!!!!!