Big Brother (US) - Top 10 Non-Winning Players
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- In this video, I continue on with my series of Big Brother Top 10 lists with this one ranking the top Non-Winning Players. This is a sequel video to my Top 10 Non-Winning One-Time Player list so this video will spoil and reference that video along the way.
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You forgot the GOAT Chicken George
Enzo is a tough one to rank for me. I think he is one of, if not THE, best social player of all time, but the issue is that he has never been able to truly capitalize on that past being taken far into the game and not being targeted. If he utilized the capital that he gains from all of these social bonds to take a shot at Hayden, or to take a shot at Cody, instead of just hoping things line up for him, I would view him as a much better player. But, by never using those social bonds to take a shot at a big target, he unfortunately can be seen as goat-like by a jury, which is why I probably would not have him so high on this list. He very much excels at the social aspect of the game, but somewhat lacks in utilization of said aspect.
Regardless, I always enjoy your videos and hearing your takes on these players
Please he was basically breydon in bbcan9
@@devondonato4609 🧢
@@davidtaylortv9674 im i really wrong though? he did nothing at all and that’s unacceptable that this is what we are considering to be big brother players because they stay in majority and be social floater
@@devondonato4609 breydon couldn’t win against anyone enzo could 😭
@@davidtaylortv9674 enzo couldn’t win against anybody, simply for the fact he was always going to the end with Cody. even nicole beats him
Aww, I love Tyler. Him not winning season 20 is still such a big disappointment in an otherwise great season.
Enzo over Vanessa is legitimately insane
Enzo>Vanessa
Tbf it’s hard when you’ve only seen her play once… Enzo was dragged to the end his second time so I think he got lowered a bit. Of course Meranian didn’t rank him lower but he’s always lower on women (truth)
Why’d this have to be the top comment. Fuckin spoiled part of it for me
Idk why he believes Enzo would win in a f2 on bb12 when Ragan and Matt have said that he doesn’t and I believe Britney and Rachel said they weren’t voting for him
I don't like either of them but Vanessa is 100% better than Enzo.
And the casting Big Brother Early Boots video slowly approaches.
love these types of videos
Idk if you know, but Paul uses they/them pronouns
Lol Paul is a dude
@@kalebdunaway clearly you haven’t kept up with Paul after the show
@@baileylynn5562 Oh I have, he’s a guy though. No matter what he wants to call himself.
@@kalebdunaway oh, so you’re one of those people. We’re not in the 50s anymore, there are more than 2 ways to express your identity.
@@baileylynn5562 one of "those people". Wow how offensive.
Day something of requesting what if the final 2/3 of each survivor or big brother season were replaced by the last 2/3 jurors
Can you do winners vs final jurors for Big Brother?
You should do top 10 best big brother games and final juror rankings
I was thinking today about how while we give credit to Eric and Vanessa for getting out of a backdoor plan (Van technically wouldn't have been backdoored), Tyler's position in the hacker week is probably more impressive.
Basically, Tyler was put up through a twist (analogous to Eric and the banner plane)
And if you contrast the three
- Eric's alliance had the numbers, and he almost went home anyways
- Vanessa's enemies kept her over another enemy of theirs
- Tyler's alliance DID NOT have the numbers, but his enemies would have kept him anyways OVER THEIR ALLY.
- Scottie at least would have even used the veto on him, where he/they had to know that their alliance was getting put up as a renom
(All of this comes with the caveat that I could be wrong about the feed info since I'm getting it secondhand)
YES I LOVE BIG BROTHER VIDS
This looks like it will be a great video
I would like a final juror ranking for Big Brother once bb23 is done.
What about raven she was the puppet master and she got robbed so bad
Please tell me you're joking.
@@KingBaller06gaming don't worry
Solid video. I agree with 3 of these players from your Top 10.
What are your thoughts on the new season ?
You should do more bb vids
Are you going live on twitch tonight?
My list
1. Vanessa
2. Danielle
3. Eric
4. Paul
5. Tyler
6. Jason
7. Nicole (BB2)
8. Alison
9. Diane
10. Amanda
i think one flaw in vanessa’s game is that she waited too long to make a move against the austwins and kinda got lucky by the comp results. she wanted to get johnny mac out at final five for some reason, but only took out austin because johnny mac won the veto. plus, she loses the trust of steve by doing this and steve doesn’t take her to the end because of it
Steve is a smart player. Her taking out John isn't the reason he didn't take her. He didn't take her because she was the better player in comparison to Liz.
@@KingBaller06gaming I think they’re trying to make is Vanessa couldn’t manage her threat level
I think she went after the Austwins at the right time, and Steve evicted her because he thought she was the strongest female player ever.
WHY WASN'T SHE WILLING TO VOTE STEVE OUT AT F5 HE DOSENT BENEFIT HER STAYING WAS SHE EVER WILLING TO CUT STEVE BEFORE THE FINALS?
How are you going to put Eric so high when he didn’t play his own game 😂
Danielle Reyes should be #1 She is the Blueprint and the 1st player to make it to the end and never sit on the block, not Derrick (BB16)...
I do agree Vanessa should be towards the low end of the top 5 just cause I'm not sure how repeatable her game is. A lot of her emotional manipulation is cause of her, well, crying a lot, and so I'm not sure if it'll be effective at all a second time around, especially with how famous she already is as a player.
I would possibly cut Kevin for Frankie. His manipulation could use some work cause he obviously has a habit of getting caught in his lies and throwing dirt on his allies. I really need him to play gain like other players like Vanessa and Eric.
i feel like vanessa is smart enough to come up with a completely new strategy if she played again. in a pre-season interview she said her approach would completely depended on the personalities in the house.
I have watched your videos where you talk about janelle and yes, she does not have that strategic mentality that a lot of the icons in this game have cus she does screw up a lot of the time, and i got so pissed off watching bb7 where she would never do the right thing until the very last moment... but why she is called the queen of big brother is because of the AMOUNT of people she has mad just by being... janelle. followed by her making the final 3 TWICE with all the odds stacked against her and still pulled off to win the competitions she needed to. that impresses me so much.
when you look at big brother you have a whole bunch of different characters, and what would it be without the comp beasts. yes when there are comp beasts that are also strategic, like cody and vanessa, that makes a really interesting combo. but its very fun to see a entertaining character like janelle who managed (in bb6 & 7) to pull off the win everytime she was in danger and manage to keep herself in the game is so fun to watch. Followed by her awesome personality that puts people in their place, is a dream come true, cause sometimes you get tired of the masterminds that just usually have a bland personality.
many people may argue that she never deserved to win but she did mainly (as i said before) because of her always having people wanting her out, and pulling it out to go very far in the game 2/4 times. there are always different reasons that are argued abt why a hg should be rewarded for their game or not, and i think that trash talking about how someone does not play a very strategic game that well is unnecessary. because that is not the only part of the game.
this all goes for many different players. but really the final message is that a strategic gameplay is a huge part of the game, but not the only part of it, so are competitions. and if you cant win comps to support yourself then that is a big part of the game then that player is missing, because you can only go so far.
(sorry for this paragraph fr just had to put that out.)
i dont mind most of the list but the jump between enzo and danielle reyes is pretty harsh. i think he did play a solid game in both seasons but i dont think he should be in front of vanessa.
When are you doing a power rankings for BB23?
From what i’ve gathered from this guy he makes his mid season power rankings after the Final 12 boot right before jury. He posts the video that Saturday. So the 14th of August should be when the mid season power rankings come
Danielle is my number one ❤️👑
Personal
10. Diane
9. Memphis
8. Enzo
7. Dani D.
6. Jason
5. Eric
4. Dani R.
3. Vanessa
2. Paul
1. Tyler
enzo is a far superior player to dani donato
No offense dani d sucks as a player
nicole from S2 should of at least been mentioned
He probably just forgot about her she would make the list
He put Enzo over Vanessa I’m crying, also the jury just hated Alison it wasn’t because they thought she was a weak player. I don’t think somebody like Enzo playing a boring anti strategic game where he follows the house and willingly would of went to the end with Cody is one where I’d say he’s one of the best.
Pro-Dani thoughts that I've had swirling around my head when looking at her first two seasons. I want to say that most of this stuff is show based so feel free to rebut me if I got anything wrong:
BB8
- It definitely seems like Dani was put in a pretty adverse social situation through being with Dick, in that she'd have to answer for her connection with him whenever he'd piss somebody off. You can say that she had a built in number there, but one number isn't so good when that one number potentially is burning several of your other would-be numbers.
- People talk about targeting Eric as a mistake but I don't really see it that way; they were at the bottom of the LNC and had to do something. The mistake was in whom she initially nominated, and if I'm not mistaken Eric came fairly close to leaving that week anyway.
- As far as I can tell, one of the reasons Dustin didn't vote Eric out is because he was pissed at Dick and wanted to go against him.
- Dani's bonding with Zach might have been the biggest social work (i.e. not comps or AP-based) that got the Donatos to the end.
- Sources seem to conflict about whether Eric would have voted for Dick if it were his choice, but you have to remember that AP might be the reason she didn't win the game at the end! Probably not talked about enough. You can talk all you want about how she came off bratty and as carried by Dick (which again, seems to stem from Dick being there), but the fact is it might not have even mattered in the first place if Eric got to make his own decision, and if he were to sway even one other person.
BB13
- I'd have to check the feed reports for whether Brenchel were actually after Cassi before or after Dani talked to Rachel about her (the show sort of makes it seem like she got them to target her)
- A bunch of things on the Week 3 fiasco:
- You have to remember that the duo twist severely stifled gameplay, both because Dani couldn't compete in comps herself, and also because of the small number of choices the HOH actually had to put up. If you overlook the twist, then yeah, trying to get Brenchel to put up JeJo seems insane and a random overplay. But in reality, if she is interested in saving Dom (which, even putting aside the romantic element makes sense), she has limited options to do so, because the three options Rachel had were Dom/Adam, Lawon/Kalia (how are you getting people to target them?), and JeJo. The fact that this was the situation at the final ELEVEN is ridiculous, and put everybody involved in a different position than they should have been in.
- The hindsight narrative of Week 3 is that the JeJo backdoor plan was DOA and it was ridiculous to think it ever could have worked, but the show makes it seem like Brenchel really were considering targeting JeJo, and that it only started to unravel when Dani reacted to the plan for Dom to throw the veto (which was effing ridiculous and would never have been a thing if not for the dang twist), and only REALLY unraveled when Dom tried to make plans with Shelly.
- As far as the Lawon stuff, I'd definitely be inclined to put her as a less responsible for it than Lawon himself (obviously) or Kalia, and the twist (especially Brendon coming back which was never part of the equation that they were told; it was advertised as a Bonus Life-esque situation) obviously disadvantaged them.
- The vote to evict her was 3-2 and she put in a pretty good effort to stay, for whatever you take that to be worth. You'd think she'd sort of be screwed once she was renommed but there was a ton of fanfare with that eviction vote.
BB22
- Maybe the game that's hardest to defend, with stuff like the hinky vote and the ill-fated seed plantings. You say it's her best game but it might actually have been her worst. I'll still offer the two following notes though.
- As much as you could criticize her for the Ian week, the fact is she had to put four people on the block and I'm not sure how many HOHs would handle that particularly well.
- You also have to consider that the people she lost to in the battle for positioning within the Committee/Enzo are all very good players (other than Christmas), so the fact that she lost out to them isn't quite as shameful (she can be a worse player than any of them and still be a pretty good player).
I think Danielle should be number 1 because she’s really the only one that was truly robbed and should have won over the person she was against had they sequestered the jury like they should have from the beginning
Honestly I have danielle reyes at 1
Paul uses they/them pronouns now
😂
so
Vanessa is number one.
Memphis would have beaten anyone in the Final 5 in a jury vote except Cody. He beats Nicole, Christmas, or Enzo. So he was not a goat in All Stars, and could have won.
Wow
I don't consider people who lost in the final 2 to have the best games because they literally lost when they could have won.
Paul, Tyler, and Danielle would have won if their juries weren't dumb
@@karson779 idk about paul in bb18 but he 100% deserved to win over Josh in bb19
Everybody who lost lost when they could have won...?
@@lexibrae6119 right
@@karson779 There's no such thing as a "dumb" jury, if you don't get the votes, you lose. that's it.
Hello
elisssa brendon jeff brett swaggy
are you on drugs
Lmao he’s a white man
@@paulieluce5303 this isn't a race or gender thing
@@karson779 it’s a joke, but Ive watched this guys videos a lot and there is a pattern of him underestimating women and poc, just my observation
@@paulieluce5303 except he's made it repeatedly clear that he ranks his lists based on dominance so his criteria is solely based on how much control did x person have over their cast so an under the radar social player is always going to rank far lower than a strategic powerhouse on his lists
@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 the “player” rankings aren’t on dominance. That’s his winning games rankings very different
Tyler 100% should’ve won BB20. Kaycee was boring, but gameplay wise she only won comps. Also, the opposite side of the house was just bitter that his side was way better than their side.
Enzo above Vanessa and Eric is absurd lol, Enzo was a non factor in both seasons
In BB12, yes. But in BB22, Enzo played incredibly. To never be nominated in an all star season is incredible
@@karson779 because he was the biggest goat of all time lmao
@@user-bl7uc1dx6p no he got to the end never being nominated just because of his social ability
@@user-bl7uc1dx6p how is he the biggest goat of all time? he would’ve beat christmas, he probably beats memphis, and he would’ve beat nicole if he was the one to cut cody. just because he loses to cody, it doesn’t mean he’s a goat
@@karson779 baby, no ma'am. NO MA'AM. THAT WAS NOT ALL STARS!! IT WAS SMALL STARS AND/OR SOME STARS!!!
Tyler is arguably better than Cody
I've been tempted in that direction too, but for the most part I think we just can't say that after BB22. Maybe results-oriented though
It depends on what way you look at it. Both are top-tier players, I think that if you drop both of them in a season in for the first time, Tyler does better in most scenarios. His BB20 game is arguably one of the best ever played, definitely far stronger than Cody's BB16 game as he should've won while Cody was always coming 2nd to Derrick.
However they each came out of those seasons with different mindsets, and the perception surrounding their initial game and how they were portrayed on the show completely changes the dynamics in a 2nd season. Tyler clearly lost a lot of his love for the game while Cody's grew, giving Cody a decent advantage there. On top of this, Tyler's manipulative tactics and social strategy had already been exposed from BB20, so heading into a new season he was going to be a big target regardless and was going to have a tough time bonding with people without them having that thought in the back of their mind. Meanwhile Cody was free to make Final 2's with anyone because for the most part he was viewed as a loyal solider.
Cody played an amazing game in BB22, but a lot of it relied on early comp wins as well. Sure he probably had the numbers to survive early on if he was ever put up, but you never know because one power shift could have imploded his entire power structure. In BB20, the opposing side had power in many situations and Tyler always adapted and got what he wanted, he was never in any real danger. By the time the final 6 came around, Cody only really had 2 people taking him to Final 2 as well, I think if Christmas didn't drop the ball in the Final 5 HOH, Cody probably goes home there. As was said here, Tyler was basically guaranteed Final 2 from the Final 6.
With all that said Cody clearly outplayed Tyler in BB22, which can't go overlooked. I don't think that necessarily makes him the better player overall though, it's very close. Enzo also outmaneuvered Tyler in the second half of the game, but I think we can all agree that doesn't equate to being better, it was more because he was given more direct info from Cody who was always a little weary of Tyler bc of his threat level (which stemmed from his portrayal on BB20), as well as Tyler trying to quit the game and losing some trust there.
Jessie HB??? Lol
Enzo robbed king
Fixed it for you:
10. Allison
9. Memphis
8. Britney
7. Eric
6. Jason
5. Enzo
4. Vanessa
3. Paul
2. Tyler
1. Danielle
Memphis and Enzo especially would not do well if the casting rules were changed earlier, Memphis for sure would not have done well if there were more people of color. Yea that’s not the criteria most people go with but I think it’s important to note some of these people got far solely by being in a majority WHITE alliance js. Enzo was a goat in 22 so even if he was likable he totally wasn’t there to win as you could see by his final speech.
@@paulieluce5303 enzo was not a goat. He wins against Christmas, Memphis, and Nicole if he cuts Cody
@@karson779 That and Enzo was more popular in that jury, in that a lot of them felt closer to him. That doesn’t correlate to RESPECT, of course he needs to be able to do more in the game to display game awareness and strategic maneuvering, but he has a great foundation if he was able to win some of those endgame comps. Regarding his Final Speech, he wasn’t prepared for it. I’d be mad too if I came back all these years later to have made (seemingly) the same mistake as last time just to get the same placement again. Of course, that’s a knock on him as a player since we haven’t seen him articulate his game thoroughly but if he was prepared, I don’t know if Cody still wins unanimously. Does Enzo win? No. But, I don’t think it’s a landslide.
@@karson779 he wasn’t cutting Cody tho
@@paulieluce5303 still you called Enzo a goat when we really wasn't. A goat is someone that has no winning scenarios, and Enzo did
paul uses they/them pronouns
enzo at 4 and eric at 6… HUH- just bc eric was america’s player and could’ve done better if he wasn’t, doesn’t mean he’s one of the best of all time what is going on
He completely dominated the game and built a strong power structure around himself, but America forced him to save dick at 9, ruining his positioning. But even still he was able to recover and would have been back in full control if America let him use the veto at 7. Not to mention the fact that he was able to convince everyone to vote out Dustin over dick is mind boggling. By creating this power structure it shows strategic ability and social prowess, and it proves he has a ton of game ability. If he was playing his own game I think he has a very great chance of winning that season in dominant fashion. Easily deserves a spot in the top 10
@@voodoomcspaghettipants4082 As far as I know, Eric didn't convince "everyone" to evict Dustin (only Jessica, and then doing damage control with the others after).
IINM, Zach and Jen were already planning to keep Dick, either on their own devices or because of the Donatos' campaigning.
@@voodoomcspaghettipants4082 top 10? sure. number 6? that’s a stretch.
@@christopherjohnson1873 I hate bb8 so I barely rewatch it so for all I know u could be right. I still find Eric to be an extremely impressive player tho. He’s prolly #7 on this list for me.
Enzo? tf?? LMFAAAOOOOOO
THEN HE MENTIONS PAUL BYE I STOPPED THE VIDEO THERE UNSUBSCRIBING
@@indigobeaumont1246 what is your problem lmao
So Paul and Enzo aren’t in the Top 10??? I’m confused-
Tyler is overrated
He's fairly underrated right now due to recency bias imo. His body of work in BB20 is legitimately insane.
@@christopherjohnson1873 no it’s not. His back half of BB20 was consistently poor gameplay.
@@christopherjohnson1873 I disagree, I don’t see Tyler being underrated anywhere . He literally screwed his own self over in bb20 throwing the veto at the f4 and taking JC and KC to the f3 instead of Sam, Brett, or Angela and planned on taking kc to the f2 even though scottie had warned him that she already had a lot of votes locked up in the jury house when he came back in the house from the battleback