F1 Classic Onboard: 1986 Australian Grand Prix
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- Buckle up for some classic F1 racing as we go onboard with Johnny Dumfries, driving for Lotus-Renault at the 1986 Australian Grand Prix in Adelaide - one of the very first races in which a modern-style onboard camera was used.
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Thanks for not putting music over the top of this.
+Doug W Exactly.
No music? I hear nothing but the most wonderful symphony :-)
I wish there was music playing over this
That engine is the music
There's no reason to put music when it's not a V6.
If you told me 5 years ago that FOM would have an official F1 channel that uploads classic onboard clips on youtube, I would laugh and dismiss it so hard. Well done F1, you're getting somewhere now
+Ferariiman Yeah, still a long way to go though. Why don't they post some full races from the V10 era for instance? It would be nice having some of those with a good video quality.
+Sebastian Simion Giving shit you want away for free is like theft to them. They're too greedy.
+Sebastian Simion probably because they can still cash them out and get some decent euros/dollars for re-broadcasting rights (see the ORF and SkySports UK rebroadcasts). There are rumours now that they're willing to invest into an official online streaming method, which is the best news ever if it becomes reality
+Ferariiman
That would be awesome - online streaming with great commentators. Many people would be willing to pay for it.
+BollocksUtwat MotoGP does it, seriously, they have a couple of legendary races on their official channel.
Stickshift, two analogue dials and just a few buttons on the steering wheel - nice!
And the worst part: the nowadays guys are called as "champions". 🤣🤣🤣🤣
New F1, cars do the job
@@GF-mf7ml Rubbish 😂
I thought he was just scratching his leg a lot. It's a pattern shifter, not a sequential.
@@jaydaily6751 Yes. Of course, H-patterns are WAY older than the modern sequential transmissions. When was the first one in Formula One used? Like, in 1989?
he finally went to meet his former teammate ... Race in peace Johnny 🖤🏁
Fue Campeón Británico de F3 , corrió en F-3000 y ganó 24 Horas de Le Mando a fines de los 80. Saludos desde Uruguay.
The best part is to see the driver manually shifting gears!
H gearbox
Not the 1300 HP engine wheelspining and taking Senna to two wins
I like watching the boost guage on the right and how it doesn't even start boosting until he's near full throttle. Its either all the boost, or none of the boost!
Yes, that's racing! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
and they don't still?
i could watch 3 hours of this
YOU AND ME BOTH!!! :))
Me also :-)!
I could watch an entire season.
@@celtiberian A entire decade.1986 to 1997.
I could watch a entire season of this for sure
Clear to see how physically demanding it was for the drivers then.
+Dez Rosswess
yes and no. Yes, it was more physically demanding in terms of raw muscle power, but nowadays it is much much more physically demanding in terms of stamina and body fitness.
In other words, Mansell was overweight and Senna had really bad stamina, yet both were great. Today, they would have no chance like that. Nowadays F1 drivers experiences G forces over 5G, which is the amount where normal person would blackout. And they are experiencing it few times per lap, and for 2 hours straight. Also temperature in cockpit which is up to 60 degree celsius is pretty demanding (drivers can lost around 4kg per one GP). All in all, today it is not as power demanding as in the past, but it is very demanding due to fitness and mental challenge.
+TheOklep you sir, know your stuff
+TheOklep "Mansell was overweight and Senna had really bad stamina, yet both were great. Today, they would have no chance like that." -a very bold statement....and I LOVE it!!
+TheOklep No they don't experience 5G anymore, the car's don't have the downforce they had 5 years ago... And no, 5 G doesn't make a normal person black out, unless it is negative G, which they rarely feel, only on the top of Eau Rouge for example.
The cockpit temperatures haven't changed much over the years. But in neither case it reached 60 degrees, that was in closed cockpit racing like a le mans prototype.
+Obi-Wan Kannabis
they still experiencing 5G even with this worse aero restrictions. Mainly under breaking, for example at Monza
Sad that Johnny passed away today 😢😢
a great example of why F1 "felt" more spectaculair to the fans at the time. The combination of vibrations and distorions on the onboard cameras, and the slighting hard working driver in his battle to keep the car on track with massive amounts of horsepower, big tires for good mechanical grip and somewhat low downforce due to the less developed aerodynamics if you compare it with today.
And let's be honest.. the atmospheric V8/V10/V12 engines brought F1 it's big worldwide breakthru in the 90's and 00's, but these 80's turbo V6 engines sounded not at all bad... what a difference with the boring engine sound of todays Turbo V6 hybrids.
Round steering wheel? Check. Analogue dials? Check. Manual shifter? Check.
Sounds trivial but it's these cars with their relative simplicity that are the easiest to fantasize about driving when you're behind the wheel of your shitty 1.1 litre Fiesta or Corsa when you're giving it some welly round some old British country roads.
The technology of the modern cars is impressive but it makes them seem.. alien.. a world apart. I prefer the raw driving skills of this era.
I wonder if someone like Hamilton could even handle one of these I mean he is Hamilton so I'd imagine he probably could but It still makes me wonder
@I'mSmarterThanYouAndThereIsNothingYouCanDoAboutIt formula one just needs turbo
@I'mSmarterThanYouAndThereIsNothingYouCanDoAboutIt there is no abs, no traction or launch control, no kers. You have drs. Most of the controls they have on the wheel are adjustments to suspension and angles as well as fuel deployment and battery
@I'mSmarterThanYouAndThereIsNothingYouCanDoAboutIt no, modern cars don't have any assists
I dream I'm in one of these driving my 1.7 honda civic 5 speed around town. downshifts and all. just the engine the transmission a manual and me the driver. It'd be a dream driving one of these beast around the track with a lot of practice ofcourse.
More videos like this in the future please
and more ENGINES like this in the future, please!
@@rfratelli AND assuming they dont get banned by the next decade or so.
Back in the days when F1 was actually exiting, glamourous, full of character, eventful!
Rest in peace Johnny
This is unquestionably the best thing I have watched today. A time when F1 inspired a visceral emotion in the viewer. I understand things have to move on, tech has to develop and safety to be observed. But there's a sadness in my heart that these days are gone
One lap of 1986 still more interesting then the last 15 years together
lol so true
‘Oh, woe is me! I’m so unhappy!’
Unfortunately it's the wrong audio. What you can hear is Patrick Tambay's Lola, not Dumfries' Lotus. Watch other RUclips clips from both Tambay & Dumfries and you can clearly hear the difference.
Those days were brutal! Can’t even imagine 50-plus laps of that!!
Rest in peace Johnny! :c
Come back to Adelaide, F1. We've missed you. This track was a favourite of a lot of drivers. And it's 20 minutes from my house.
***** A lot of the drivers who drove on the old Adelaide track said it was their favourite track of the season. Can't say the same for Melbourne.
***** Adelaide was a very technical track. Melbourne is more a high speed track, which is still cool, but Adelaide was better for seeing the drivers' skills.
***** You should watch "Ayrton Senna 1986 Qualifying" on the old Adelaide track on RUclips, it's quite amazing.
I haven't played F1 97, but I play rFactor still. haha
***** Oh I get it now! haha
Shumi Jr mightve been terminated
He made a quite great start
Back in the day when F1 resembled karting at high speed 😁 Thanks for uploading these gems of F1 history 👌🏻
The mechanical noises are awesome....!!
This is not the audio of Dumfries' car, this is Patrick Tambay's audio with Dumfries' video footage.
thank you. I thought I was insane. I started looking up "did old f1 cars down shift to low gear from high gear and feather clutch to maximize keeping both hands on wheel?"
nope
This is proper racing. Gear stick and a round steering with what looks like zero to no power steering. Like he's driving a kart or something. Incredible.
Thats F1 ❤
-real engines
-drivers worked for their money
-overtakes without DRS
Lovin' it...
+der_boss and no halo or whatever you call it :)
+der_boss "Real engines".
+PilotJohnSilver There's no halo right now, what are you talking about?
+der_boss *no overtakes
+Coffee Man You clearly didn't watch f1 in the season of this video. There was a lot of racing for the lead, this race alone had 5 different race leaders. There was more overtaking done in 1986 than in 2015. And that is without DRS. You have no idea what you're talking about, so why do you even bother?
Would be nice to see a whole race but this is a good start.
+JakeTV Berger Jerez youtube.
Good old days
+Ferrox DSC!! :D
The best age of F1 :)
That turbo spooling sound is something, you can see when turbo power kicks driver back... cars in front spitting fire makes even better!
A minute into this and it already looks epic hard! the constant struggle to keep the car in line, a stick shift - These guys are the definition of Legends!
Best video of this channel. Ever.
+Paulo Oliveira No,. not really,.. any on-board lap of Ayrton Senna would have been better,. IMHO. That said, this IS a brilliant clip, no two ways about it - especially since it has no [annoying] music or indeed any [distracting] narration; just pure racing, on-board. :)
Kris A I disagree for a reason: in the 1986 season, the last with the monstruous turbo cars of 1000 bhp, this was the only car with onboard cameras in that season. See this point of view, in HD, of this agressive cars is absolutely unique. The first Senna's true onboards (full speed recordings) date from 1989, with aspirated cars, that are very far of this level of power and low downforce. And Senna didn't drive on the middle of the grid...
+Paulo Oliveira If what you're saying is true, (I see no reason to disbelieve it, quite honestly), then that's a compelling argument that's very hard to disagree with. Fair comment. ;)
+Paulo Oliveira 1988 was the last season where turbos were allowed.
Tom _F1_ I know, but in the 87-88 seasons the turbo pressure was limited. See how insane the turbo pressure indicator moves in the right of the car panel... And in 1988 there was no cameras, and in 1987 the camera was with nakajima....
Awesome upload! This is clearly one of the best tracks ever, better than Albert Park! Being from South Australia, it was the last race of the calendar- the track is a street circuit, was stolen by Melbourne over $$$. Everyone loved it including the drivers. The straight goes downhill!! The good old days...
Could watch this for hours... amazing cars to drive can just imagine
You can't tell me this isn't better than any modern onboard hd camera footage ! 😵😱👍✌️🇬🇧
Man, these machines were a handful back then!
you had to be insane to drive these cars! holy shit that's awesome!
Now that is what an F1 car should sound like.
Rest in peace
absolute peak of driver skill imo.
It's incredible how much he's fighting just to keep the car straight under acceleration. I know it's never happen because it'd make their lap times milliseconds slower but I'd love to see f1 bring back hand shifters. Even sequential gearboxes would make in car shots so exciting and really let good drivers shine.
The cars have sequential gearboxes now..
+Rottensteam yeah I meant the hand shifted sequentials though, not the paddle operated. I understand the paddles are faster but I love seeing them reach down to grab a gear. And hearing them rev matching. Right now they only use the clutch from a standstill.
CJSchecter96 that means they won't have two hands on the wheel
From the video you can almost "feel" how much slower they are if compared to modern F1s, but still I'm in love with that BRUTAL sound. Also they were incredibly tough to handle, so physique... Imagine driving in such conditions for 2 hours. Nowadays drivers almost don't even sweat.
Something very visceral about this.
The water thing I guess is how they cleaned the camera lens?
+googleboughtmee Yes, you are right.
Huh, that's cool. I was gonna ask if that was the famous "water cooled brakes" where the tank was emptied soon after the start to run the race underweight and then topped up with water and lead shot at the end to make weight. However, that was the Tyrrell car of two years prior to this.
McGuinty2 The cars that did that were the naturally aspirated V8s which couldn't compete with the savage turbos for power, so the teams ran the cars underweight in the race, and would top them up again with water before the officials scrutinised them.
That was oil that was flung out of the exhaust of the car in front of it.
that´s was Formula ONE! brutal power, danger, speed, extreme, sound, engine, and figth for life. AND REALY MEN! not like today.
Please bring back the Adelaide circuit, we've missed you F1! :(
God that was good. Incredibly sad I may never get the chance to see formula one like that again. Simple in design and brilliant. Miss it.
So much better than today
Thanks for finally making one of the best moments in F1 official! Dumfries did some of the most insanely awesome downshifting in that car, you must do another clip that shows him actually chasing at the limit!
Back in the day when skill was actually needed to drive a car and not the car diving you. Love this...well done.
Then it was maybe 50% car, 50 % driver. Now it's 95% car, 5% driver Or more realistically 99% car, 1% driver!
Somewhere in a bunker, there's the full on board race video of Dumfries and Tanmbay from that GP. i wonder when we will get the chance to watch it...
Sadly, the driver Johnny Dumfries has died. Rest in peace
Back when Adelaide is *equally dangerous with Monaco* especially,this was always the finale,until 1995
MORE FOOTAGE LIKE THIS!!!
So much better than today's racing. Awesome track, amazing cars, genuine skill. Back when F1 had 'soul'. Adelaide is so much better than Melbourne. What an era.
Puts a smile on my face.
This was F1, today is just money.
In terms of lap time these cars are so much slower than the current ones, however, a hundred times more fascinating!
That's The Real one F1. Manual Shifting, No assists from technology's ,True Power of the Incredible Engines.
It looks like someone dumps a bucket of water on him while he's driving down the track at 0:53
that is how they used to clean the camera lens
@@MacPac78 omg
@@MacPac78 Either that or some cameras had what appeared to be thin transparent film on the lense that wiped left or right.
Water I hope ;)
First ever ice bucket challenge
These were 1000+ hp... amazing fucking total car control 24/7
If i had the choice to do a few laps with whatever F1 car of the past decades i wish, i'd definitely go for a 1986 turbo F1 car in qualifying setup. The beastly sound, the beastly acceleration, going through all 5 gears in a matter of seconds. Berger himself said those where the scariest cars he's ever driven.
Imagine those 1300hp engines with modern hybrid system in a modern car.
@@KitKitChanIsaac And Red Bull would give them bigger wings. 🤣
@@JohnKickboxing And that, my friends, is how Max Verstappen broke his 19 win record from 2023 and became the only driver to win every single race in a season.💀💀💀
@@KitKitChanIsaac 👌 However best their racers are in F1, Red Bull is still engine-dependent, only excelling at making the best wings in the industry and their energy drink capable of boosting their athlete's performance to the wildest degree possible, like a bull getting wild at a matador. So they need to take over some car maker to overcome their huge obstacle.
@@JohnKickboxing Their team literally used to be called Jaguar💀
What an insane beauty and pure driving
Despite the old video,the image quality is very beautiful.
Especially considering that these were modified SD analogue cameras that we transmitted to a helicopter and then back down to a hand tracked receiver. This was the start of F1 onboards with a team of 5 guys. Still so much better than GoPros wobbly footage 33 years later.
More of the same and on the 86 Australian GP, Murray & Jackie did a brilliant pre race tour of the old track.
Beautiful!!!!
It’s not a videogame, it’s a true pilot and true racing.
This guys had 1000+ hp under their right foot, no electronics, manual gearboxes, and no traction control.
Just pure guts and 2 steel balls.
THIS is how F1 should be!
manual gearbox,fire spiting,awesome sound-cant get better than this
Just amazing. Adelaide is a better track than Albert Park.
That's why the Aussie V8 Supercars get a higher attendance than the F1 GP every single year
@@neilr4867 or its the only thing people in Adelaide can go see all year.
Adelaide is cool but for modern f1 cars it's just to short and narrow (like monaco but with more sharp turns that require the drivers to slam their steering wheel left to right)
Adelaide deserves better than modern F1. Ask for the historic GP. That would be great. Together with some other historic series, like Group C, touring cars. But please, back to the original layout with the old kink, that was better.
This is crazy! Thanks for releasing footage like this :)
Manual shifting...i would be glad if we see all the drivers now racing with manual gears (even if it means driving with normal cars before the actual grand prix)
You mean gear lever shifting? Because they do still have semi-automatic manual gearboxes.
yes, classic H gearing with a clutch.
I'm not that kind of guy saying like "Real men drives manual shif gearbox".
But if there's one race of the whole season calendar where all drivers have to race with manual stick gear, that would be fun. I would definitely watch that like you.
It's 2017, it's not technological as much as flappy paddles, so they won't add it back for sure.
just because they don't have manual transmission but a sequential doesn't mean its easier driving style required for driving 80s vs modern cars is totally different modern f1 cars require perfect control over grip incredible precision and a healthy body to withstand the forces.
the race is not changing their focus away from driving is just a stupid myth boomers like to spread to make themselves feel special :/
This was one of the first times a camera was mounted in an F1 car. We all take it for granted now. It was an amazing achievement at the time.
Uma potência descomunal, os carros eram verdadeiros monstros.
Sem falar a queimada de embreagem que ele tinha que dar pra tirar o motor da zona de lag. O turbo só funcionava com eficiência em uma fração minúscula do conta giro. Preste atenção tem várias vezes que o giro grita mas ele nem mexe no câmbio. Já o Senna meu amigo, ganhava corrida com esse mesmo carro e ainda punha ele de lado nas entradas e saídas de curva. Como dizem os flamenguistas “outro patamar”.
@@henriquemariusso4372 Eu reparei, a tocada do Senna é muito mais agressiva.
Más mesmo assim, é lindo ver e ouvir
FINALY A GOOD UNSEEN QUALITY FOOTAGE FROM THIS RUclips PAGE :)
Great sound check .
Manual shifting check.
Balls of steel check .
F1's glory era !
1:19 what button he pressed?
I guarantee you f1 drivers today can't drive an f1 car with a stick shift like these dudes does. it requires tremendous skill
Listen to the delay between Dumfries getting on the throttle and the power actually showing up. The turbo era was nuts.
In my opinion the drivers of that turbo era were the most skilled in F1 history, they had to control 1450hp beasts, without driver aids, these cars were not producing that much downforce compared to more recent ones, plus the suspensions were not that developed back then compared to recent years
Gyrosmeister TV the f1 cars today don't have driver aids their band.
you re right my friend I just watched suzuka from ayrton and lewis and the difference is incredible . take care
Danx Imus different cars though
Gauge on the right is turbo boost, how on earth anyone can keep a car straight with boost pressures going all over the place like that is beyond me!
@@jmt_ldn Power steering
I could watch the entire race from this camera. That's how good F1 was at that time. I JUST WANT TO WATCH THE MAN CONTAIN THE BEAST BELOW
Is it just me or is the sound out of sync at some points?
+Tuppoo94 are you talking about on his revmatch on the downshifts. I found that odd as well.
+JTthestreetking No, the rev counter needle, which I suppose is on the left, doesn't seem to follow engine RPM. Also, I hear him switching gears when his hand is nowhere near the gear lever.
+Tuppoo94 It's just the audio synchronization, it must be because of how old the video is and the fact that it was one of the very first cameras to go live in Formula 1 History.
Alain Marie Pascal Prost Interesting, because there's a video here on RUclips called "F1 Turbo - The most scary race cars ever - Feel the Torque" where the sound is perfectly synced. The video is from the same race as this one.
+GhostsKuriboh That's probably not it, because you can hear at 0:05 that he revs his engine but the gauge on the dash reacts at 0:09, so there's a 4 second delay.
The flames coming out of the car in front is awesome
I purchased in late 87 the Williams Honda Nelson Piquet drove to 2nd in this race for $88,000USD. Fantastic race car and fun to drive. I still take it out for a spin several times a year....
That's a bargain for a race car,let alone a classic F1 car.
EDIT:I didn't notice that you wrote "Late '87"
AND LOOK AT THAT
Ayrton and Johnny are making some laps in this beautiful Lotus, wherever they are...
I could watch this for hours!
and those were real F1 drivers
No hi-techs. I love the move of the shift lever.
That’s When F1 was proper racing fantastic
Those Downshifts!!!!! Ohhhhh! What an amazing sound it is!! \m/ \m/. Please Bernie and Co....... bring back V8s if not V10s or V12s.
All those who dislike the sound of the current relatively quiet V6 turbo engines and believe that the sound of an F1 engine is a big part of the F1 experience, please like this comment and comment that you prefer louder V6 turbos or V8s/V10s/V12s anyday over the current V6 turbo engines.
This car has a v6 turbo...
+Berend H - You're correct and I know that. I should correct my comment by saying the current quieter V6 Turbo engines.
+AriffTF2 Neither am I saying that the modern V6 turbo engines are bad in terms of their technical capability or that the sound of an F1 engine is everything nor that technology needs to remain the same forever, because that is not how I feel. :)
I'm saying that the sound of an F1 engine is hugely important because it is my personal opinion. :). Plus I also think that Bernie and Co. need to listen to drivers a bit more and get rid of so much of aero grip and give the drivers more mechanical grip in their cars and get rid of DRS.
Thanks for sharing your views and I agree with you mostly.
If you think the current engines aren’t loud, you need to go and see the cars in person. Trust me, when one of them flies by doing 200mph at Monza, you’d still have to cover your ears. I think the problem people have is that they aren’t high pitched enough, rather than them being quiet.
This is a 1.5L V6 turbo, while current F1 cars use 1.6L V6 turbo engines. There were also 1.5L turbocharged inline-4 engines, which are much louder, and sound WAY better than the current V6 turbo-hybrid motors.
Love the salute at 0:41
Wow! That's what we want! :D
+Boteco F1
even smaller engines? :D
Manual transmission, "heel and toe".
Ora ora
very relaxing. the colors, the driving.
when you shift using a lever!
+Muddassir Habib Like most people on the planet.
+flyhighpizzapie Well, Gavin doesn't shift at all!
+flyhighpizzapie and yet F1 seems to ignore that.
flyhighpizzapie not america
Poor Johnny.... had the infamous unlucky of being a Senna's teammate...... that was definetly hard to swallow.... this car was an uncontroled beast !!!!
that is real f1, real engine, real sounds. actually I don't like sounds engine. but this video really awesome.
+MAGNUM Osmar Sandoval
what is real about this engine compared to new ones according to you?
That video is more or less 90s Right, ok I like formula 1 on 80s, 90s until 2013 because in those years were engines V12, V10 and V8, I dont like actually because the souns is poor and the cars very ugly. Greetings.
+TheOklep It's the primordial roar that stirs the emotion. I appreciate the technological advancement of the new engines and am not generally critical of them, in fact I prefer the extra driving challenge to the drivers that they present, but they don't stir the emotions or capture the heart in the same way.
+alecboyyes To me it just sounds like wasted energy.
MAGNUM the cars in the video are turbo V6 engines much similar to todays cars
That engine sounds awesome. Holy crap.
he died yesterday :(
Pure driving. No buttons to be pushed every second.
The good ol Days with One hand on the stick and One on the wheel( No Power steering) and Heal and toe through the corners.......... When Men we're Men and Sheep we're scared
That torque and the blow off valve turbo sound though ! Looks like those engines were monsters !