What driver aids are in Modern F1? In the current cars there is no ABS, no TC, near 1000HP (some are estimated to be over that), less turbo lag so can be even twitchier, plus faster top speed AND better aero which means more G-forces on the driver, plus they have to manage more than just fuel load, they also have the battery to worry about. You know how hard it is to adjust energy deployment, energy recovery, brake bias, engine maps etc, adjusting them for almost every corner to stay competitive, while under heavy G's and battling other cars? I LOVE the 80's era of F1 and the Lotus 98T was phenomenal, but people need to stop slagging off modern F1 with fake facts and overblown nostalgia and learn to appreciate all eras, as they all have their specific difficulties. The young guys today might make it look easy on most days, but that's because they are on average much more physically fit than drivers of the past. The modern cars are a proper handful to drive, stick shift or not. Not using antiquated tech like Manual shift, as cool as it is, does not make the current drivers any less of a racer. If guys like Alonso, Raikonnen, Verstappen and Hamilton existed back then they'd be just as competitive as the top guys of that era (and yes they know how to drive stick). The only real difference between today's great drivers and those of the past is there hasn't been 30+ years to canonize them as patron saints of the church of F1.
@@jraybay Jackie Stewart was awesome! We were talking to him and he said, I have to do an interview, walk with me. So we walked with him talking as he walked into the Ferrari garage. Since we were with him, they let us in too. We watched as he interviewed Gerhard Berger sitting in his Ferrari F-1 car, took pictures, etc. Nobody usually get inside the Ferrari garage unless you're somebody... Lol
My 1st memory of Senna was the morning warm up session at 1986 British GP ar Brands Hatch, the cars came out on track and I just remember Ayton's helmet looked so bright in the black Lotus.
A true beauty and beast. Just imagine trying to tame those BHP when it was raining. Pushing the pedal and just wait for the turbo to spin up. Then all 1200 BHP all at once. And that black with gold trim. Pure car porn.
@@STEFAZON500 It is my opinion lotus designed the best looking cars. Apart frm the 98T, jus look at the 78 & 79. Really awesome styling. The JPS livery jus enhances the whole package even further.
If I was to race in any era it would be the turbo/skirt/downforce era with the manual gears, it must have been a handful to drive but that’s what I imagine racing to be, being able to tame the beast, here it was, 800 hp!
Imagine If Senna Had Lived! ... Do You Think With Today's Leap In Engineering And Technology Within F1, Would Senna Still Be Able To Dance His Dance Behind The Wheel Of Modern F1 Cars? ... OF COURSE HE WOULD ... SENNA WOULD SHOW EVERY DRIVER HOW ITS DONE!!! .. R.I.P You Absolute Legend
+Niderfyn Never heard that, too funny! I remember Senna was considered kind of a reckless punk at the time, while Piquet was a two time champion, I could totally imagine him doing that.
so i have to be a hipster to watch drifting? u sound stupid as hell i'm 30 years of age and i watch the fuck i want to watch. u the one sound like a hipster i bet u probably one them kids that listens to tekashi 69 and lil uzi
These engines were LUCKY to reach 1200hp during qualifying,during a race however they barely exceeded 900hp because of the fuel situations the driver had to adjust the turbo for,all to often did the drivers have their boost up to high(yes,the turbos were adjustable) and the cars would simply run out of fuel before the race was over.
Hello! I believe you used to have a video of a Formula 3 wreck at Brands Hatch, and I was wondering if you still have it. It contained a funny interview with Stefan Johansson after the wreck. Thanks!!
same with top comment of RobertO. V12's were'nt banned, they were phased out by the teams themselves. V10's are less complex to build and run as well as shorter in length which allowed a more even weight distribution closer to the centre of gravity of the car. They were never considered before the late 90's as a V10 configuration creates problems in ignition timing and distribution on the 360 degree "work cycle" but with the introduction of electronic ignition this was no longer an issue.
bishopsfarewell - actually they did race them at the same time. In the early 1980s. The Ferrari Flat 12s and Alfa Romeo V12s/Matra V12s raced against Renault V6 Turbos!
@bob333336 Some 1986 cars were putting in qualifying trim about 1500 Bhp in race trim i think it was around 900 Bhp. (1986 was the year they produced the highest Bhp ).
@ikelleners Are you trying to make some specific point here? Most drivers come from a background that allowed them to get some experience behind the wheel of proper cars. You're not going to have any impoverished individual work their way up into a Grand Prix vehicle without some heavy financial assistance along the way.
F1 drivers today are brave and skillful for sure and I admire them. However, to drive those cars in 86 - they had bigger balls no doubt. Also, Brundle must be a tad jealous as back in 86, whilst Senna was driving the lotus, he was probably chugging round in a dodgy Zak speed or something 😁
Totally support the top comment by tormentor... These were V6 and sometimes even straight 4 cylindre, 1.5(!) liter engines. That's 100cc less then next year wil have. Nevertheless they were and still are the most powerful engines F1 has ever seen with up to 1,200 bhp in qualifying trim... That's why they were banned in the first place!
vikirad - atrocious is a massive word lol. A v16 BRM was atrocious to drive, but in 1986 a v6 twin turbo Lotus was an incredible car in qualifying, only a second off a 2000 f1 car, also in qualifying trim. Thats not bad is it! - you have a point, but it wasn't that far off.
i may only be 17 but i have an incredible high IQ and a large broad knowledge on engineering and i can't stand people who leave comments about stuff they have no idea about
V12 were in fact prohibited because they were a platform that allowed to produce way to power. FIA wanted slower and safer cars. For example, when from 1995 to 2000, the teams were changing from a v12 to a v10 engines with the same displacement, power output always went down.
haha I thought exactly the same. But there is a 75 percent chance that Senna would definitely get to the Lotus first, because Peter Warr already wanted him before the first season, and would Senna have blocked Brundle from entering the team just like he did to Warwick? one can only ponder :P hehe
@JRRacing85 Maybe...but lets see, that Brundle was the only real opposition Senna had in 1983 in the British F3 and they both got into F1 in 1984. Both nearly won a GP that year(Senna at Monaco, Brundle at Detroit), but Brundle than had his accident and also Tyrrell team was banned for using lighter cars. And that spoiled surely Martin´s career. He had the talent, as in 1988 he replaced Mansell in Belgium and dominated the wet qualifing on friday...
Hmmm, this makes me wonder what F1 teams would do without regulations. Maybe a W24 engine with Quad Turbo Supercharger setup reaching up to 1500HP or higher. 8 speed gearbox. 4 rear wheel drivetrain (for more grip surface to transfer all the torque in lowspeed cornering). Etcetera...! I can only dream of the weird creations teams might come up with, but it would be interesting to see all these new concepts compete with each other, rather then the basically the same cars due to regulations. :)
The 1200+ BHP was only 1-2 laps in qualifying and only the teams rich enough to just throw destroyed engines away weekend after weekend! In terms of race power most mid-80's turbo engines had about 750 BHP! I'm looking foreward the new engines as they can only sound better than the current, and the tourque curve will most likely be much better!
+Kelvin Almonte they had about 1200-1350 hp in qualyfying in 1986, however in the race they were down to about 650-800 hp. In qualyfying trim the engines wouldnt last very long.
+Pp Lime The waste gate is just a maximum pressure valve. Without that, the turbo would exceed the maximum designed pressure for both turbocharger and engine. And 80s era F1 turbocharged car HAD both boost control and wastegate.
Just don't forget that safety technology has advanced quite a bit, and more hp and a turbo would still be much safer now than then. And it would generally give a lot of people the feeling that our F1 drivers nowadays di still have some balls. There are enough people that think they haven't. no offence to be taken though ;)
There you go : three pedals, a steering wheel that actually looks like a steering wheel..., gears changing, no electronics. Great era.
timeforachange12 It had an ECU. So, electronics.
EXACTLY MAN, thos drivers were differend, were real racers, imagine only a steering wheel with nothing more, with 1200 hp
Waaa modern tech bad
@@Rottensteam No sophisticated electronic driver aids, though.
What driver aids are in Modern F1? In the current cars there is no ABS, no TC, near 1000HP (some are estimated to be over that), less turbo lag so can be even twitchier, plus faster top speed AND better aero which means more G-forces on the driver, plus they have to manage more than just fuel load, they also have the battery to worry about. You know how hard it is to adjust energy deployment, energy recovery, brake bias, engine maps etc, adjusting them for almost every corner to stay competitive, while under heavy G's and battling other cars? I LOVE the 80's era of F1 and the Lotus 98T was phenomenal, but people need to stop slagging off modern F1 with fake facts and overblown nostalgia and learn to appreciate all eras, as they all have their specific difficulties.
The young guys today might make it look easy on most days, but that's because they are on average much more physically fit than drivers of the past. The modern cars are a proper handful to drive, stick shift or not. Not using antiquated tech like Manual shift, as cool as it is, does not make the current drivers any less of a racer. If guys like Alonso, Raikonnen, Verstappen and Hamilton existed back then they'd be just as competitive as the top guys of that era (and yes they know how to drive stick). The only real difference between today's great drivers and those of the past is there hasn't been 30+ years to canonize them as patron saints of the church of F1.
Those Ayrton drives in the rain in that car were otherworldly!
I met Ayrton, Gerhard, Johnnie Dumfries, and Jackie Stewart back in the day.
Wow that's very cool. You're lucky
@@jraybay Jackie Stewart was awesome! We were talking to him and he said, I have to do an interview, walk with me. So we walked with him talking as he walked into the Ferrari garage. Since we were with him, they let us in too. We watched as he interviewed Gerhard Berger sitting in his Ferrari F-1 car, took pictures, etc. Nobody usually get inside the Ferrari garage unless you're somebody... Lol
My 1st memory of Senna was the morning warm up session at 1986 British GP ar Brands Hatch, the cars came out on track and I just remember Ayton's helmet looked so bright in the black Lotus.
1.5 litre and 1200 Horsepower... that is mindblowing... I want Senna back, I want the old turbocharged era back, I want the V12s back. RIP Senna.
And one engine for a race, one for qual. Burning engines era.
In my opinion the 1986 Lotus 98T was the most beautiful F1 car Ayrton Senna ever raced.
A true beauty and beast. Just imagine trying to tame those BHP when it was raining. Pushing the pedal and just wait for the turbo to spin up. Then all 1200 BHP all at once. And that black with gold trim. Pure car porn.
True but one could also say that the MP4/4 was pretty damn good looking too. Then again the Lotus had the JPS livery.
@@STEFAZON500 It is my opinion lotus designed the best looking cars. Apart frm the 98T, jus look at the 78 & 79. Really awesome styling. The JPS livery jus enhances the whole package even further.
My favourite looking was the mp4/5 & 6. But the 98t got me into f1
@@STEFAZON500 Yes, would love to see both of these cars here in the USA at shows. Cars and Coffee Protective Film Solutions.
Love what Berger says "you had to have balls to drive these cars"
Yes, just all that horse power in a car that weighs nothing. Just dances down the track.
This car just had a certain mystique to it and with Ayrton behind the wheel, it was simply magical. A true legend
Mmm… ❤️ mystique, true…
Legendary car. This sound( sweet music to my ears) and the driver? What can i say ( R.I.P) AYRTON The best driver of all times greetings from GREECE
My Lord I'm SPEACHLESS. I'm not even a romantic, but this car is a magnificent piece of beauty.
JPS Lotus just embodies classic F1
i love how the 2011 Lotus Renault team has revisited a similar livery to this car's era.
We all miss you Senna and the cars that only you could drive.
If I was to race in any era it would be the turbo/skirt/downforce era with the manual gears, it must have been a handful to drive but that’s what I imagine racing to be, being able to tame the beast, here it was, 800 hp!
Skirts were banned and after teams found ways round the rules to bring them back a flat floor was mandated before the turbo era got into its stride.
The "black knight" of F1. Simply beautiful and impressive.
You need massive balls to gain traction driving that beast.
0:49
Nelson Piquet drifting on purpose to give Senna the finger
+Vannvera Tia Piquet the King
Senna must’ve really needed it.
It was Mansell.
@@joeimbesi5361 It was Piquet ...
Imagine If Senna Had Lived! ... Do You Think With Today's Leap In Engineering And Technology Within F1, Would Senna Still Be Able To Dance His Dance Behind The Wheel Of Modern F1 Cars? ... OF COURSE HE WOULD ... SENNA WOULD SHOW EVERY DRIVER HOW ITS DONE!!! .. R.I.P You Absolute Legend
Most beautifiul car ever sound and looks
0:49 drifting in a f1 car, that is awesome
+Niderfyn the drift piquet does past senna at 0:49 seconds into this vid is fantastic he was giving him the finger at the same time aswell
+Niderfyn Never heard that, too funny! I remember Senna was considered kind of a reckless punk at the time, while Piquet was a two time champion, I could totally imagine him doing that.
so i have to be a hipster to watch drifting? u sound stupid as hell i'm 30 years of age and i watch the fuck i want to watch. u the one sound like a hipster i bet u probably one them kids that listens to tekashi 69 and lil uzi
In a formula car, that is almost impossible to do. Just amazing car control.
senna...genius,legend,god...martir.the best ever\; we miss you brother.rip.
If I were Senna I'd be figuring out a way to get the girl at 0:25 back to my room after the race, LOL. ;)
Those 1.5ltr turbo's in qualifying trim of 1200hp must be faster than anything today!
Senna was unlucky not to win the Championship in '86. He said that was the second best F1 car he ever drove after the all-conquering Mclaren MP4/4
Sublime, Senna and the last and most powerful JPS Lotus..just epic..wouldn't it have been great if he had won his first title in 86 in this beauty?
Teria que ter um motor Honda ali, igualmente ajustado ao das Williams FW11 !
@@jogadorcomum3265 if it weren't for fuel consumption he probably would have won the championship, the honda was more economical.
Johnny Dumfries handled this gearbox wonderfully.
These engines were LUCKY to reach 1200hp during qualifying,during a race however they barely exceeded 900hp because of the fuel situations the driver had to adjust the turbo for,all to often did the drivers have their boost up to high(yes,the turbos were adjustable) and the cars would simply run out of fuel before the race was over.
Assetto Corsa (PC) in VR and driving this car
I love driving this car, it's got so much life.
I'm happy to know that (senna and brundle is friens
JohnnyMidnight1 *were
What, so Brundle had a falling out with Bruno Senna ?
Hello! I believe you used to have a video of a Formula 3 wreck at Brands Hatch, and I was wondering if you still have it. It contained a funny interview with Stefan Johansson after the wreck. Thanks!!
What´s the song beginning @ 0:47?
Good so see these cars still in motion.
A superb car for a superb driver
Only real men could race this car..no halo required for those heroes!
this car is totally awesome!
what is the concluding song in the last part of this vid?
Absolutely Fantastic!
same with top comment of RobertO. V12's were'nt banned, they were phased out by the teams themselves. V10's are less complex to build and run as well as shorter in length which allowed a more even weight distribution closer to the centre of gravity of the car. They were never considered before the late 90's as a V10 configuration creates problems in ignition timing and distribution on the 360 degree "work cycle" but with the introduction of electronic ignition this was no longer an issue.
we don't know yet Bernie Ecclestone said he was worried about poor noise so he may allow changes to happen to make them loader and maybe higher RPM
This car on the Sims on full boost is insane. 2 seconds of nothing then 1400hp all at once and into the horizon.
4:10 Name of this song, please
Please more obboard sounds videos of this fantastic car.
Deve ter sido uma experiência e tanto para o Martin!
what is the song at 4:10??? Does anyone know?
Purple Rain by Prince a.k.a. TafkaP.
bishopsfarewell - actually they did race them at the same time. In the early 1980s. The Ferrari Flat 12s and Alfa Romeo V12s/Matra V12s raced against Renault V6 Turbos!
When the racing was pure not like today need cars like that again
2 to 5 bar inch 5000-13000rpm ?
my mistake i thought the Honda v6 famously used by senna had that figure
Yes, this is a V6 turbo but actually NOTHING like the ones that are coming in 2013.
@bob333336 Some 1986 cars were putting in qualifying trim about 1500 Bhp in race trim i think it was around 900 Bhp. (1986 was the year they produced the highest Bhp ).
@ikelleners
Are you trying to make some specific point here? Most drivers come from a background that allowed them to get some experience behind the wheel of proper cars. You're not going to have any impoverished individual work their way up into a Grand Prix vehicle without some heavy financial assistance along the way.
F1 drivers today are brave and skillful for sure and I admire them. However, to drive those cars in 86 - they had bigger balls no doubt. Also, Brundle must be a tad jealous as back in 86, whilst Senna was driving the lotus, he was probably chugging round in a dodgy Zak speed or something 😁
0:49 DEJA VU SWEAR IVE BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE
Totally support the top comment by tormentor... These were V6 and sometimes even straight 4 cylindre, 1.5(!) liter engines. That's 100cc less then next year wil have. Nevertheless they were and still are the most powerful engines F1 has ever seen with up to 1,200 bhp in qualifying trim... That's why they were banned in the first place!
Colin chapman would have adored Ayrton Senna. Jim Clark would have loved that car too.
@JRRacing85 Might be reading it into it a bit much there mate.
vikirad - atrocious is a massive word lol. A v16 BRM was atrocious to drive, but in 1986 a v6 twin turbo Lotus was an incredible car in qualifying, only a second off a 2000 f1 car, also in qualifying trim. Thats not bad is it! - you have a point, but it wasn't that far off.
i may only be 17 but i have an incredible high IQ and a large broad knowledge on engineering and i can't stand people who leave comments about stuff they have no idea about
2014's engines of V6 Single Turbo Charged engines will sound completely different to the ones back in the 80s i'm afraid.
Which circuit
Awesome catch at 0:49!
This is what true F1 looks and sounds like.
Goodyear tires? Not Avon? Where did they find fresh old stock 80's Goodyears in 2008?
www.racegoodyear.com/tires/pdf/Goodyear_Sports_Buyers_Guide.pdf
The 80's turbos never got anywhere near 15,000rpm, they relied on boost rather than revs to increase power output
Great vid!
Thanks terga for sharing! :D
Yes, a fan too. Not only for the driving.
Those eyes in the yellow helmet still touch me.
Yes, but that was earlier than this. And they pretty much had to rebuild the whole engine after qualifying.
Beautiful video thanks for posting
They've reduced the size/cylinders in the engine to reduce costs. Do you really think 24 V12s are gonna do that much damage?
X Motor Racing Pro?
Turbo era LEGEND !
can anyone tell me what the song is from 0:50-1:06, also awesome video
R.I.P Mr Senna :(
this is actually a turbo v6, which is what F1 is bring back for 2014 :)
it's more of the fact it's running at 5 bar than the V6. i think it's actually a dumpvalve you can hear.
sounds a little better than the normal ones you hear on a punto tdi!
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'Notorious' @1:33 - this suits to Senna
best looking f1 with the lotus 49
Best looking, one of the most powerful and should have dominated the 86 season, if it weren't for reliablity issues.
Wow What a Power Slide by Piquet!
V12 were in fact prohibited because they were a platform that allowed to produce way to power. FIA wanted slower and safer cars. For example, when from 1995 to 2000, the teams were changing from a v12 to a v10 engines with the same displacement, power output always went down.
like it?
haha I thought exactly the same. But there is a 75 percent chance that Senna would definitely get to the Lotus first, because Peter Warr already wanted him before the first season, and would Senna have blocked Brundle from entering the team just like he did to Warwick? one can only ponder :P hehe
@JRRacing85 Maybe...but lets see, that Brundle was the only real opposition Senna had in 1983 in the British F3 and they both got into F1 in 1984. Both nearly won a GP that year(Senna at Monaco, Brundle at Detroit), but Brundle than had his accident and also Tyrrell team was banned for using lighter cars. And that spoiled surely Martin´s career. He had the talent, as in 1988 he replaced Mansell in Belgium and dominated the wet qualifing on friday...
Throughout their history these engines peaked in power at around 11.000 to 12.500 rpm...
Hmmm, this makes me wonder what F1 teams would do without regulations. Maybe a W24 engine with Quad Turbo Supercharger setup reaching up to 1500HP or higher. 8 speed gearbox. 4 rear wheel drivetrain (for more grip surface to transfer all the torque in lowspeed cornering). Etcetera...!
I can only dream of the weird creations teams might come up with, but it would be interesting to see all these new concepts compete with each other, rather then the basically the same cars due to regulations. :)
They still have on board computers, to control ignition and fueling...
They only revved to about 12k back then.
@hadabenz I understand that he 2013 cars will be 1600cc turbos. Unfortunately I can't help bring Senna back
Imagine Senna with a lil bit of grey hair and some wrinkles...
It would have been nice to still seen him around...
R I P
0:17 - is that Niki Lauda at the left?????
yep, you're right. it's very hard to evenly cool 12 cylinders.
the boost is set very low here, the left gauge is hardly moving. amazing car though, there are reports of 6 bar in quali.
Lucky guy. Wish I could have the privilege to even drive it at half the speed
The 1200+ BHP was only 1-2 laps in qualifying and only the teams rich enough to just throw destroyed engines away weekend after weekend!
In terms of race power most mid-80's turbo engines had about 750 BHP!
I'm looking foreward the new engines as they can only sound better than the current, and the tourque curve will most likely be much better!
The Lotus 98t 1986 had up to 900/1000 hp in race and had up 1300hp in qualifying...
Well the RedBull X1 would be close to impossible to be driven at the limit thanks to the high g-forces etc. ;-)
Without boost control or waste gate, those car are dangerous to drive.....1200hp or 1500(BMW M12/13)hell is calling!!!!
Pp Lime Waste gate? What is that?
Boost control
Pp Lime So by what they're saying, they ran qualifying with the engines on full boost?
+Kelvin Almonte they had about 1200-1350 hp in qualyfying in 1986, however in the race they were down to about 650-800 hp. In qualyfying trim the engines wouldnt last very long.
+Pp Lime The waste gate is just a maximum pressure valve. Without that, the turbo would exceed the maximum designed pressure for both turbocharger and engine.
And 80s era F1 turbocharged car HAD both boost control and wastegate.
i love this car
I prefer the 1.5 v6 engine of the video! So powerfull and WHAT A SOUND!
I want to cry...
I am very excited man
Just don't forget that safety technology has advanced quite a bit, and more hp and a turbo would still be much safer now than then. And it would generally give a lot of people the feeling that our F1 drivers nowadays di still have some balls. There are enough people that think they haven't. no offence to be taken though ;)
Plus it's a completely different engine, tech and block altogether!
I know driving an f1 game 2013 is not the same thing but as soon as i tried this car not driven nothing else feels better than 2014 cars for sure
Arky Dark drive it in assetto corsa with a steering wheel. It's marvellous