While I did learn a lot from this, I think the best part of this video is that there are Seinfeld side characters as example batters! Best channel ever!!
I had this happen during a game three times!! The home team kept batting out of order and the first two times the away team would let the batter come to bat and wait until a pitch was thrown and then bring it up. He complained to me as to why he wasn’t getting an out and I explained to him twice he has to bring it to my attention before the next pitch. Wouldn’t you know it they batted out of order a 3rd time. And then he literally had a meeting with his pitcher as a conference. Then he threw a pitch and the next words out of his mouth were “hey blue they batted out of order again.” He again wasn’t happy when I just brought the correct batter up to the plate with the count standing. Some coaches really don’t know this rule and it’s really not that hard,
Apparently, the Batting-out-of-turn penalties differ here than they do in MLB. Here, the penalties require the baserunners to return to their last occupied bases at the time of the pitch that resulted in the end of the improper batter's turn at bat. The MLB Rulebook [Rule 6.03(b)(3)] states it differently as follows: "When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and the defensive team appeals to the umpire before the first pitch to the next batter of either team, or before any play or attempted play, the umpire shall (1) declare the proper batter out; and (2) nullify any advance or score made because of a ball batted by the improper batter or because of the improper batter’s advance to first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise." This means that in Case Play #8 (one out, runner on third, batter swings and misses for strike three but reaches first base safely) under MLB rules, the runner on third should be allowed to score, since this did not occur as a result of a batted ball by the improper batter (he swung and missed; therefore, there was no batted ball), and it did not occur as a result of the improper batter's advance to first base (since this action did not force the runner on third to vacate his base).
Please review your explanation to #7. Description says he reached safely, your explanation says he did not. I don’t think it changes the outcome, since he scored as a result of the play, but it is somewhat confusing.
I think I see the confusion. While the runner made it safely to first, the appeal reversed that decision, so he did not ultimately make it to first safely, due to the successful appeal. Hope that helps!
@@jasonlockhart3168 I think I see the confusion. While the runner made it safely to first, the appeal reversed that decision, so he did not ultimately make it to first safely, due to the successful appeal. Hope that helps!
So, the key here is that it's up to the teams to monitor batting orders. The umpire, even when he sees it, says/does nothing. The umpire only reacts to the head coaches' claims. Correct? So, a team can basically have an open batting order and bat whoever they want, whenever they want, as long as the other team doesn't notice? It could have its best hitter bat every other guy, as long as the other team is asleep?
This happened a couple days ago. B3 was skipped and B4 came to the plate and got to first safely. Then B3 comes to the plate and gets to first safely. Now defense coach appeals batting out of order. They called B4 out. That makes sense as B4 became the proper batter so B5 should have batted after B4 Does B3 remain on first base? NFHS rules.
Or actually maybe B5 should be called out and B4 returns to first base? Also what if they didn’t say anything after B3 reaches first and B5 comes to the plate and gets a hit. The appeal is made Should B4 be called out then as he is supposed to follow B3? This is convoluted 😂but it easily could have happened as the team accidentally listed B3 and B4 flip flopped to cause the problem
In the first scenario, B5 is called out, B4 returns to 1st, B6 is the proper batter. In the second scenario, after the first pitch to B5, the batting out of order is nullified, so B4 should be the next batter. However, B4 is on base, so B5 is the proper batter. The appeal is rejected.
The Seinfeld reference with the eight-hole batter :) "My friend, Bob Sacamano came in here for a HERNIA Operation! Now he's stuck in a wheelchair and just sits by a window yelling MY NAME IS BOB!"
Review case seven it states that the runners safely makes it the first but you explain that the batter runner was called out at first so the run should count because the batter runner made it safely to first base
The last few questions on the quiz/survey regarding whether our state uses time limits should have Don’t Know as an option. I didn’t know, so I don’t want my answers to give you incorrect information about my state.
Hi I started listening to your show pretty nice the question I had was the scenario when you have man on 3rd 2 outs 2 and 2 count drop 3rd strike .. you said he reached safely at 1st but then the other team appealed batting out order and it was successfully and the answer was the runner did not score ... because the 3rd out was at 1st but the guy reached safely at 1st ...is that because he was out on the appeal Right??
the batting out of order appeal undoes the result of the improper batter's at-bat. because the run scored when the improper batter became a batter-runner, the appeal takes the run off the board. had there been less than 2 out, the runner who scored would've returned to 3B, and the next batter would come to the plate. had the runner scored on a wild pitch or passed ball when it was not strike 3 (i.e. the improper batter did not become a batter-runner on that play), then the run would've scored regardless of any subsequent appeal for batting out of order, because the wild pitch or passed ball had nothing to do with the improper batter. keep in mind also that it is the proper batter who failed to bat in the proper order who is called out on the appeal, NOT the improper batter; the improper batter is simply removed if he reached base safely by any means.
It seems you omitted a *very* critical element of the FED batting out of order rule which is a significant rule difference from OBR. SITUATION: R1. No outs. An improper batter comes to the plate. PLAY: The improper batter hits a grounder to F4 who flips it to F6 to force out R1 at 2nd. F6's throw to 1st is too late to complete the attempted double play. The improper batter safely reaches 1st. The defense properly appeals the improper batter. RULING? [FED] [OBR]
Review case play #4 you called the proper better out the improper battery remains on first after hit you can’t take runner one and put them back on first when there’s a runner on first
Who made up these rules? For goodness sake. How about if you bat out of order noticed by the umpire or both coaches you are out! Or as soon as soon as one ball is pitched to an improper batter the inning ends. All coaches would make sure this never happens! Ridiculous anyone else agree? Lol
While I did learn a lot from this, I think the best part of this video is that there are Seinfeld side characters as example batters!
Best channel ever!!
I had this happen during a game three times!! The home team kept batting out of order and the first two times the away team would let the batter come to bat and wait until a pitch was thrown and then bring it up. He complained to me as to why he wasn’t getting an out and I explained to him twice he has to bring it to my attention before the next pitch. Wouldn’t you know it they batted out of order a 3rd time. And then he literally had a meeting with his pitcher as a conference. Then he threw a pitch and the next words out of his mouth were “hey blue they batted out of order again.” He again wasn’t happy when I just brought the correct batter up to the plate with the count standing. Some coaches really don’t know this rule and it’s really not that hard,
Apparently, the Batting-out-of-turn penalties differ here than they do in MLB. Here, the penalties require the baserunners to return to their last occupied bases at the time of the pitch that resulted in the end of the improper batter's turn at bat.
The MLB Rulebook [Rule 6.03(b)(3)] states it differently as follows:
"When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and the defensive team appeals to the umpire before the first pitch to the next batter of either team, or before any play or attempted play, the umpire shall (1) declare the proper batter out; and (2) nullify any advance or score made because of a ball batted by the improper batter or because of the improper batter’s advance to first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise."
This means that in Case Play #8 (one out, runner on third, batter swings and misses for strike three but reaches first base safely) under MLB rules, the runner on third should be allowed to score, since this did not occur as a result of a batted ball by the improper batter (he swung and missed; therefore, there was no batted ball), and it did not occur as a result of the improper batter's advance to first base (since this action did not force the runner on third to vacate his base).
Please review your explanation to #7. Description says he reached safely, your explanation says he did not. I don’t think it changes the outcome, since he scored as a result of the play, but it is somewhat confusing.
I was thinking the same thing. 😂
I think I see the confusion. While the runner made it safely to first, the appeal reversed that decision, so he did not ultimately make it to first safely, due to the successful appeal. Hope that helps!
@@jasonlockhart3168 I think I see the confusion. While the runner made it safely to first, the appeal reversed that decision, so he did not ultimately make it to first safely, due to the successful appeal. Hope that helps!
So, the key here is that it's up to the teams to monitor batting orders. The umpire, even when he sees it, says/does nothing. The umpire only reacts to the head coaches' claims. Correct?
So, a team can basically have an open batting order and bat whoever they want, whenever they want, as long as the other team doesn't notice? It could have its best hitter bat every other guy, as long as the other team is asleep?
This happened a couple days ago. B3 was skipped and B4 came to the plate and got to first safely. Then B3 comes to the plate and gets to first safely. Now defense coach appeals batting out of order. They called B4 out. That makes sense as B4 became the proper batter so B5 should have batted after B4 Does B3 remain on first base? NFHS rules.
Or actually maybe B5 should be called out and B4 returns to first base?
Also what if they didn’t say anything after B3 reaches first and B5 comes to the plate and gets a hit. The appeal is made Should B4 be called out then as he is supposed to follow B3? This is convoluted 😂but it easily could have happened as the team accidentally listed B3 and B4 flip flopped to cause the problem
In the first scenario, B5 is called out, B4 returns to 1st, B6 is the proper batter. In the second scenario, after the first pitch to B5, the batting out of order is nullified, so B4 should be the next batter. However, B4 is on base, so B5 is the proper batter. The appeal is rejected.
@@cmdion Thank you.
The Seinfeld reference with the eight-hole batter :) "My friend, Bob Sacamano came in here for a HERNIA Operation! Now he's stuck in a wheelchair and just sits by a window yelling MY NAME IS BOB!"
I think the full name is Crazy Joe Devola
Happened in the Fall at a Tournament.
Much easier to follow in the B1 B2 B3 format.
nah, I loved the seinfeld character names... and let's face it, a real lineup card isn't going to have B1, B2, B3, it's going to have bunch of names
Review case seven it states that the runners safely makes it the first but you explain that the batter runner was called out at first so the run should count because the batter runner made it safely to first base
Love the Seinfeld names!
The last few questions on the quiz/survey regarding whether our state uses time limits should have Don’t Know as an option. I didn’t know, so I don’t want my answers to give you incorrect information about my state.
Hi I started listening to your show pretty nice the question I had was the scenario when you have man on 3rd 2 outs 2 and 2 count drop 3rd strike .. you said he reached safely at 1st but then the other team appealed batting out order and it was successfully and the answer was the runner did not score ... because the 3rd out was at 1st but the guy reached safely at 1st ...is that because he was out on the appeal Right??
i was reading this aswell and what he says is not what the slide says... im going to have to looks this up in the book now.
the batting out of order appeal undoes the result of the improper batter's at-bat. because the run scored when the improper batter became a batter-runner, the appeal takes the run off the board. had there been less than 2 out, the runner who scored would've returned to 3B, and the next batter would come to the plate.
had the runner scored on a wild pitch or passed ball when it was not strike 3 (i.e. the improper batter did not become a batter-runner on that play), then the run would've scored regardless of any subsequent appeal for batting out of order, because the wild pitch or passed ball had nothing to do with the improper batter.
keep in mind also that it is the proper batter who failed to bat in the proper order who is called out on the appeal, NOT the improper batter; the improper batter is simply removed if he reached base safely by any means.
It seems you omitted a *very* critical element of the FED batting out of order rule which is a significant rule difference from OBR.
SITUATION: R1. No outs. An improper batter comes to the plate.
PLAY: The improper batter hits a grounder to F4 who flips it to F6 to force out R1 at 2nd. F6's throw to 1st is too late to complete the attempted double play. The improper batter safely reaches 1st. The defense properly appeals the improper batter.
RULING? [FED] [OBR]
FED: The out stands and proper batter is called out. OBR: R1 is returned to first and the proper batter is called out
Review case play #4 you called the proper better out the improper battery remains on first after hit you can’t take runner one and put them back on first when there’s a runner on first
Jesus Christ this is confusing. How about just make it an out?
Who made up these rules? For goodness sake. How about if you bat out of order noticed by the umpire or both coaches you are out! Or as soon as soon as one ball is pitched to an improper batter the inning ends. All coaches would make sure this never happens! Ridiculous anyone else agree? Lol