Best Flat Profiles For Canon! (80D, M50, SL2)
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Heres my overview of a few of the profiles I use to get more dynamic range for my canon 80D!
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i love this, i have a canon sl2 and its really my favourite camera of all time thanks for not forgetting these cameras everyone seems to be making a7iii content lately!
Looks like Cinestyle for the darker scenes and c-log for the more lit to retain the highlights.
Yooo, that LUT on the Cinestyle is really good. People go ham for EOSHD but I've honestly never been overly impressed with it. Especially not with a pricetag as opposed to free Cinestyle or the in-camera profiles... I know it's not correct to use, but in good lighting, I like how washed out Cinestyle is. It looks dreamy to me. We have so many vibrant greens here that even when they're crushed for the flat profile, they still come through and are almost accentuated in contrast to the greys and brown which are crushed as well.
Great video comparison, dude.
Hello Nigel Barros (and anyone else who is reading this),
Here is my recommendation when shooting compressed H.264 video with Canon DSLRs (works with motion jpeg as well),
Go into your picture styles on any Canon DSLR, choose Faithful, use these settings: 0 for Sharpness, 0 for Contrast, -2 for Saturation, 0 for Color Tone. Then white balance using a grey card. Then expose to the right (ETTR), and decide what you are willing to have blown out using Zebras (night lights or the sun, etc.). Then in post production, use Leeming LUT Pro by Paul Leeming and you will now have accurate REC 709 with maximum dynamic range. The modified Faithful picture style works great in low light, unlike C-Log. Paul Leeming also has a Facebook group. He is very quick about answering any questions you might have before purchasing this LUT (you also get Quickie LUTs included). I cannot recommend this enough. I found my colors were a lot better, and looked more professional for concerts. The best part about his system, is you can use multiple cameras, even different branded cameras, and all can apply this LUT for accurate REC 709.
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I would give you a BILLION likes if that was possible. Thanks a lot for sharing. You got a new subscriber. Keep doing your awesome job!
maan! you're so chill i like the whole atmosphere and your videos are super useful please don't stop
Looks like the LUT on Cunestyle is the way to go. Thanks for this video
Great video man!!! What is the LUT you used on that footage?
Love it man. That Cinestyle tho 🙌
The best video regarding the issue
In your tests, Cinestyle had the most dynamic range . However, if you try either Lightform C ($7), or VisionColor's CineTech ($15), you will see that these have 1 stop more dynamic range over Cinestyle still. Buying these was one of my smartest decisions for my 5 Canon cameras, not only because of the added DR, but also because these are filmic by design, so you don't need to over-color grade afterwards (since Canon's h.264 8bit falls apart with grading). You can check my dynamic range test on my channel.
Please sister, can you send the James miller clog 3 🙏
Love your work man! Look forward to your videos Everytime you put one out.
I really wish we could have seen more of that highlight roll off test. The CLOG did really great with that, but since Cinestyle basically came out as the winner, it would have been really useful to see how that performed in the same situation
1: I have the same shirt as you in this vid.
2: I found out about you from your "how to make a $300 camera look pro" video, and Im hooked. Fucking love your videos man, they're really helping me get a grip with this whole photography thing
5:00 There is a huge difference!! :D
"C-LOG" messes up the footage, you actually have more details with Neutral picture profile. On the other hand, the Cinestyle gives you a better dynamic range, but boosts colors a lot, which might be an issue. When you add contrast back to the footage, your colors will be more vibrant then ever. You might have to tweek the colors too to desaturate the colors a bit to get a natural looking footage.
which one are ypu using? i have used cinestyle clog. the footage is not that sharp. i want to try neutral if its better than these two. help!!
@@NKM_Pixels I've tried the Cinestyle for the experimental purposes, but ended up not using it since years anymore, because of its nonsensical workflow requirements.
At the end of the whole research, observation and experience, I decided not to use any of the external picture profiles, which would lengthen my overall production workflow without any clear benefits.
Basically, I use the picture profile "neutral" for most of the times, including professional and semi-professional works.
You might also be able to adjust the settings of individual picture profiles (sharpness, saturation etc.) according to your taste right in the camera as long as your camera has that function.
Overall, I would recommend to experiment on your own and decide which one works best for you.
If you are someone who likes to spend a lot of time on the postproduction by doing a lot of color correction and color grading, then you may like to go with flat picture profiles. If you are someone who wanna have things done in a short amount of time without a lot of hassle, then choose one of the presets and let it roll.
I would suggest to try both in separate projects to see which workflow is the most optimal one for you. No matter which one you choose, don't forget to enjoy!! ;)
Great tutorial, good in front of camera presence too!
Love your work man, miss you talking about Panasonic’s tho 😢
James Wickenden I miss my Gh3 everyday, it taken me a lot of self restraint to not sell all my canon gear and buy a Gh3 again haha. I’ve bought that camera 5 different times
Make it a 6th ;) !!! nice to see someone commit to change and get some real life differences... I look forward to it!
James Wickenden it’s really hard to not want a Gh3 or G6 again. I keep watching “lake cushman” on Vimeo which isn’t helping either haha
Great honest overview of clog. Very helpful. Always looking to improve my RUclips shots on my lil Canon M50. You have a new subscriber. Also. Wow. That hair!
Love the James Miller Log. Works great on the 80D. Great video.
Thank goodness i found this channel!
Three questions: On the Canon Neutral profile did you change contrast and/or saturation value? On the cinestyle profile did you use their recommended settings (sharp, contrast and saturation all the way down)? Same questions for EOSHD C-LOG from Andrew. Thanks a lot and great video! Subscribed.
Nigel, your talking head footage looks so filmic and so much better than all those test. Is that shot with the Panasonic? That first sequence in your living room with the the lamp in the bg and the overall image color scheme looks stunning!
Sweet video dude! Oh and nice fireplace haha :)
Lovely Video, great job Nigel!
Great comparison, thank you. May I ask, what LUT did you use on top of all three to show us the comparison? I am stumped at the beginning adjustment I should be using with cinestyle? I liked how it looked good on CLog Andrew Reed's too. Is it the GC Cinestyle Rec 709? Then after you use the base, do you use a specific set of creative LUTS? I shoot with a Canon 5d Mark iv. Thanks in advance if you see this and respond.
How do you apply the canon profile filter on the M50?
Can you help me between canon sl2 and M50
@@SANKETGAWHALE sl2
Lots of good information! When can we expect a similar video for Panasonic cameras? ;) I bounce between Natural and Cinelike D on my G7. Not sure which is best still. Keep up the awesome work Nigel!
Dope, I’ve got the m50, last two videos were shot on it
Yeah I think in the older camera's like the T5i then Visioncolor profile worked much better than Cinestyle due to the noise in the shadows
Every time I shoot in cinestyle I always seem to get a lot of grain in my footage
Me too.. It doens't really work with M50 either. Hard to colordgrade as well in post editing. I often use neutral instead.
I really enjoyed this one. I have been wondering about the comparison for a while. I mainly use neutral and normally don't tweak it much. I have been wanting to try cinestyle more but grading is daunting. Should I try a lut in DaVinci resolve and see what that does?
So which one most suits to 80d C-log1 c-log2 or c-log 3 ?
I have a GH3, but I am looking to invest in ether the 80d or the gh4. What do you think? I like the thought of 200mbs on the gh4 for 1080p (I don't use 4k since it require more power).
I love the GH4 but as of lately ive been using my canon 80 D which has superior focusing.
Canon if you want ease of use for their Auto-Focus plus their colour science is beautiful BUT Canon creates an extremely soft image.
Gh4, Gh5 are noticeably more clear and sharp but you'll be manually focusing.
Thanks for this video! Helps me out.
I think you should have at least two flat picture profiles in camera installed, cause some shoot are benefited by one over the other in some cases, remembering the importance of lighting
Cinestyle is a very old profile now and dates back to before cinema eos and most critically before canon log on the 1DC. Also cinestyle does not match the curve of canon log. I prefer the picture profile from james miller, in my opinion is much better than cinestyle, there are 3 option picture profiles from james miller, the first one is c-log neutral v1 with highlight roll-off, the second one c-log neutral v2 doesn't have the highlight roll-off and little more pronounced, the third option is c-log3 is more of a traditional log with less contrast and a little less gray but slightly different from the eosHD c-log. And I used c-log neutral v1 with turn down the saturation is set to -2.
Samuel Agung yeah I know, I used cinestyle way back in the t2i days, but I still think it’s performance varies depending on the camera. I chose eoshd c-log because it was based off the 1dc c-log, which I liked. I might try the ones by James miller but honestly for most of my work cinestyle and the canon profiles work just fine for me.
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Hey man! Great video! I'm very tempted to buy Andrew Reid's CLOG but from your experience how did you expose the log picture profile and did you witness any artifacts when pushing the color grading?
Hey Nigel, fantastic videos and channel! Just subbed. I've also got the Canon 80D and recently started using Cinestyle - what settings adjustments do you make within the profile for sharpness, contrast etc?
great video ! thanks - I have a canon 70d, will the c-log profile work on it ? or just the cinestyle ? thanks
Sir in canon 80d there is mov and mp4 formats which is good for editing
Such a great review. I would like to try the cinestyle but every time I try, they won't send me the download after filling out the information to my email. Ive just been using the A reids c-log
Is there that much difference between the SL2 and the others?
do you always shoot in log profile ?
really love your video color!
I’m looking to buy the SL2 with Rokinon glass .....should be interesting.
buy your canon 80D and get fuji X-T2 you win see a a night & day diffrence 4K and F-Log (true log) not like cinectyle
Hey Nigel, nice indepth comparison.
It would be interesting to see how your RUclips studio free LUT would appear on these 3 profiles.
And how what would you do in post to get the best look on canon neutral & cinestyle after applying your LUT.
I have a canon 200d Sl2.
Thanks in advance. Please make it.
Great bid I had color grading really tedious
Works for Canon T6?
I’d like to talk to you about the Cine style profile. I’m planning on buying an SL2 (because I love it’s small form but maybe use some Rokinon Cine glass to use a follow focus rig and filters.
Cinestyle is a very bad profile . I used cinestyle and took some raw images at iso 100 and they were so grany. If you dont believe try by yourself.
I have, I used cinestyle for years, and I don’t think iso 100 is the best to use for the lowest noise
What the LUT for Canon Neutral?
How about for taking photos? On Canon 80D?
Your LUT store link in this description isn't up to date.
Hi I've watched your vids and they're very helpful. I'm a long time TV news cameraman and have been trying out the DSLR world for a bit.
For the NEUTRAL setting you suggest, should there be colour grading done afterwards or are you suggesting the footage is good to go right out of the camera?
Nice comparison
What’s the difference between downloading the custom profile vs creating a custom one in the camera user defined profiles?
There must be a difference
can you provide us with the lits you have used
How do i know if LUT is designed for the Cinestyle?
canon 60d or 200d ? picture quality ?
please help me. im very confused to which i choose.
sorry my english language very terrible.
For what exactly photography or what?
Cinestyle looks so much better 👍. I’m trying to workout what to upgrade to, canon 80D?
Do you already have a camera and you can wait a bit I would for sure wait for the Canon 90d
Or a new M50
Or get the Fuji xt3 🙌
So helpful
Hey Nigel, may I ask? Which is better the G6 or the GH2?
What white balance did you use, man?
Hi, the Cinestyle Profile is no longer available for download. Any chance you could provide an download of the files?
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Taj
I just checked and it still appears to be available
@@NigelBarros weird... I've tried via chrome, Firefox and IE and I don't get the download image. When I googled for info I see others posting the same issue.
you have to put in your name and email and the download link gets emailed to you
just tried it on chrome and it works, linked it in the description
Sadly, Cinestyle isn't available for downloading anymore, they don't even send you the download link to your mail
I downloaded it a few days ago. No problems at all! 😊
@@JimmyOlsson What did you make buddy? I have been trying every now and then since April, but no matter what, I can't download it ☹
You have to enter your name, e-mail and company to download it, pal! In the "Company" section just type an "-" because you have to fill in that section too. If it doesn't show up, then try with another webbrowser! Good Luck! :)
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Do you see that much of an improvement comparing 80D to something old like T2i? Besides build quality, AF and low light it's basically the same technology they used 8 years or so ago. To me some really old Panasonic cameras like GH2 or GH3 are waaaay better than this. Image quality wise they are still years behind Panasonic or Sony. I'm so happy that I've upgraded from Canon 550D to Panasonic G7 and now I'm really close to pulling the trigger on GH3 as my B cam (mostly thanks to your videos).
Maciej Kobus yeah the improvement is minimal but the 80D and newer canon cameras are definitely sharper than older camera like the T2i. The Panasonic cameras have an upper hand in image detail but I think the biggest think is that Panasonic lenses and other micro 4/3 lenses are just sharper than most canon lenses, the cheap 14mm is miles sharper than any cheap canon lenses typically. Don’t get me wrong I loved the Gh3 and if I ever had to start from scratch again I’d probably go back to Panasonic, but the autofocus of the canons is just really nice to have. Thanks for tuning in!
I'm wondering if Panasonic will come up with an improved AF in upcoming GH6 and in the successor to G85 or G7. If they do I'd say there would be no solid reasons to choose Canon over Panasonic. Anyway, that's an interesting point regarding lens sharpness. Would be nice to see a direct comparison between two systems with the same lens.
Are you thinking about getting Sigma 18-35mm for your 80D?
Maciej Kobus yes I’m actually in the market for a sigma soon! I would also say the canon color science is a really attractive feature for some too but never really was a must have for me. My problem with Panasonic’s is that for the cheaper ones that aren’t the GH5 or 5s, so for the g7 and g85 the 4k is cropped too much for me, so keeping a rig small isn’t as easy cause a speedbooster is needed to get a wide angle shot in 4k. The g9 was one that really intrigued me cause it had better AF performance but for me the new bmpcc 4k seems more appealing for a around the same price
Crop is something I wouldn't take as an disadvantage. Example: as a skate filmer (guess why I watch your videos :D) I need as widest fisheye as I can get. WIth MFT I can use a focal reducer which gives me 1.5x crop in 1080p. With my Samyang 8mm f/3.5 I get wider image than I was getting on my Canon 550D. It's actually comparable or wider than HPX+Xtreme combo which is the most popular setup among HD skate filmers. So I'd say MFT is great for filming skateboarding - cheap cameras, cheap fisheye options etc.
But I get your point. I believe a successor to G85/G7 with 2.0x crop in 4K will make sense with cheap focal reducers.
BMPCC4K intrigues me most due to the 5 inch display. Damn... 3" displays are too small for cameras! I have hard times focusing on those. The fact I can't use HDMI display with the G7 is making things worse.
Not wasting more of your time. Keep your videos coming. Currently I'm digging your content the most and always wait for new videos.
Maciej Kobus hey I love talking about this stuff! Thanks for tuning in!
how to make a color like that in canon 200d
Thank you!
Hi there great video bro I think about selling my t5i do u think a 80d will be the best option for music video and flim.?
La Canon 80D es una gran cámara, auto enfoque preciso y muy completa, solo que no graba en 4K. Yo soy usuario de este modelo y estoy muy feliz con los resultados. Te la recomiendo. Saludos desde Colombia
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with my 80d with cinestyle it gets very noisy at 1250 ISO..which is stupid AF
If you have poor light cinemastyle and all kinds of flat profiles become noisy and if you use a high non-native ISO it gets shittier as fuck
wt about the modes
manual or AUTO when we choose to C-LOG??
JARAME im sure that if you are to use a picture profile you’d be professional enough to use manual
@NigelBarros I really need your help. I downloaded a Eoshd c-log toy camera and I really don’t know how to use it. I understand it’s flat images but how do you boost the photo back up ???? Also shooting in M,Tv,P etc comes our flat,it dark but I honestly don’t know how to use it. Please help because I’m just thinking to delete this.
don't use flat picture style/ c-log for photo, if you bought eosHD picture profile, then for doing photo shoot you can choose other picture style like scarlett, vivid skintone, chrome, cinema 3, if you have any problem with the colors then you can setting manually adjust the contrast saturation color tone in picture style setting.
How to fix oversaturated and punchy skintone on these custom picture profiles:
- Cinema 3: saturation -4, color tone +1
- Cinema 4: saturation -4, color tone +1
- Scarlett: saturation -4, color tone +1
- Vivid Skintone: saturation -4, color tone -1
- Chrome: only color tone 0
- C-log: only color tone +1 (because +2 makes the skintone looks blotchy also too much dark greens) My Sharpness Strength : +1 (because in-camera sharpness is much cleaner and un-artificial looking when compared to using the unsharp mask in post edit, setting below +1 seems to almost blur the image. and finally fixed everything, hope it helps :)
Samuel Agung I need like a video tutorial of this. Only half of this I understood I’m sorry. I started this in my own so it’s hard understanding these settings and knowing where to go. I factory reset my camera. I’ll try to upload it my camera again and see. But I didn’t see those different picture style all I was on was the c-log setting. I didn’t get the setting where I got different picture styles to try, it was only one setting and all my pictures taken in other modes except for portrait mode came out flat and dark.
@@yvethedefinition what camera do you use?
Samuel Agung canon rebel t6
Can you install these on a Canon 600D?
Yes, i used it.
What Profile and lut did you use for the video (your Face) ???
one up on this question!
can the canon eos m100 use this cinestyle?
yes bro
Thanks for sharing, I have SL2 and 6Dii. I'm looking to get cinestyle for both.
like your videos but feels like something stuck in my neck when listening to your voice
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why don't you buy a c100 or a camcorder?
Jason DeGarmo price and DSLRs fit my workflow better
NigelBarros so do you rent when you need to do works for tv commercials to get the required colorspace?
Jason DeGarmo yes typically I rent on any high budget shoot, whether it’s lenses or camera systems. But the majority of my work is promotional content for small businesses, weddings and short docs. I’ve never done anything for TV so I’ve never needed a camcorder or cinema camera with those color features
NigelBarros what do you recoomend dslr wise for long shoots like conferences?
Jason DeGarmo the G85. doesn't overheat, no record limit, clean HDMI out (in need case you want to stream) and the kit lens is great.
Since u started shoot on canon, picture quality is much worse, than it was before(
Андрей Харитонов I think it’s mostly due to the cheap lenses I’ve been using
maybe, but canon do worse detail than lumix and sony (excepy "C" series and 1dx ) but it is another price)
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y for my poor english :) )
Андрей Харитонов well kind, Ive shot with a c100 before and the detail isn’t very different from an 80D, just the codec and real c-log. I think with the same lens, the c100 and 80d would look pretty similar, I might do this test soon to see if I’m right I’m thinking this. Thanks for tuning in!
1.29 l fall asleep
you look so sad
good vid
sooo sad
I thought it was pictures. Just wasted 10 minutes on video settings. Next time, do tell people what you are actually showing.
Been looking for a flat profile for doing vlogs
Great work! Thank you so much for that!