The Texas Chain Saw Massacre 4K Blu-ray Showdown | Dark Sky vs Second Sight
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2023
- It’s the showdown you’ve all been waiting for! Second Sight’s Texas Chain Saw Massacre 4K UHD Blu-ray vs Dark Sky’s own 4K UHD release. Who comes out on top?
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I apologize - I was thinking of Zavvi. Second Sight does in fact ship to the US and you can buy the limited edition here: secondsightfilms.co.uk/collections/limited-edition/products/the-texas-chain-saw-massacre-limited-edition-uhd
Thank you very much for your videos but I must be missing something and I'm sorry I'm really terrible with technology.
I have an issue with only having an Xbox X at the minute to watch dvds on but the guy from eBay told me that it will only play the movie itself on Xbox but the second disc the bonus content will not, because it is locked? I would greatly appreciate any advice. Edit. I forgot to say that the version I'm trying to buy is dark skies because of the steel book and poster.
I would like to eventually buy the second sight edition especially if I can watch everything on my Xbox, since it seems I can't watch the bonus content of the dark skies edition on Xbox X.
I personally prefer the Second Sight release as while it is brighter I feel it looks just a tad more natural especially with the grain. The Grindhouse aesthetic is fun but I do think it's a little too dark at times on the Dark Sky release. Either way though it really is such a close call. I had both but ended up parting with my Dark Sky and stuck with my standard Second Sight. Definitely ripped that Tobe Hooper and William Friedkin interview from the U.S. release as that's an exclusive treat. Either way these releases rule!
I have both, but I personally would go with the Second Sight release!! 😀👍👍 Both releases are excellent, & if you have the money, pick up both, if you can.
Any chance you could send me that Friedkin interview?
Hit me up for a 4K blu-ray drive!!
What 4k ultra players do you recommend watching these films on to see the best picture presented? I have an LG C1 OLED but want to get a good player. Also I assume since this is a UK revamp then I need one that reads region free. Thanks
I’m fine with the Dark Sky version. Not having a region free player is part of the reason I didn’t get the Second Sight version because I wouldn’t be able to watch the normal Blu-Ray discs, as I’d like to be able to make sure all the discs work whenever I get a new film be it on DVD, Blu-Ray or 4K Blu-Ray. But I’m glad to hear your thoughts on the releases. The stuff the Second Sight has such as the book is something I would have liked to have seen an American release have, since this is an American film, but overall I’m fine with the steelbook. Have a great day and take care Jeff!
All the special features from the Blu-Ray discs are on the 4K disc. Don’t know why they even included them, you don’t need them.
WHY, in 2023, do you NOT have a region free player??!!
@@moviesbye9294 Not many people do. It’s expensive. (But if you have a Panasonic 820ub there is a simple hack 😉)
@@thischannelisdeleted No it's not, they are dirt cheap now.
@@thischannelisdeleted What’s the hack?
Hey Jeff! I wanted to emphasize that the 4K restoration was all that was approved by tobe hooper in 2016, the HDR color grade was not done back then and each of these color grades are the restoring company’s preferences essentially, no way to know which one Tobe Hooper would prefer honestly
True. HDR was available then, so I’m surprised they didn’t do that at the time. But yeah we will never know.
We do know... Hooper gave the 2016 restoration his seal of approval.
@@MovieGuy666 I have had to explain this ona different video prior, he approved a 4K upgrade but it was SDR, the HDR grade wasn’t done till more recently and after his passing, so we do not know how he would approve of the different HDR grades that are out there
Although you say its from pre approved in 2016, I know for a fact if he saw the way the disc went into image vibrate mode during oddly enough the kill scenes, the Dark Sky release is an insult to the film.
Cheers for a very helpful review. I have a question though. I have the 40th Anniversary Blu-ray of the film, and it states that it is a "new 4k transfer". So if I buy the new 4k release, how much better will it actually look on a 4k TV? My current TV is a 1080p one, which I watch via an Xbox one X.
Great showdown, Jeff! Some things I noticed with the Dark Sky transfer was when there’s a cut to another angle/scene (only in some cases, not all), the first 1-3 frames are way clearer/crisper/sharper in quality for some reason, showing a ton of delicious grain, lol. And then after those first couple of frames or so, it’ll shift back to “normal,” or to what it looks like normally, which (in comparison to those first few frames) is much more smoothed out.
In the Second Sight transfer, while this weird phenomenon is still there (which I assume is just part of the source material rather than having anything to do with either of the transfers themselves 😅), it’s more balanced out with the rest of the frames.
And back to the Dark Sky transfer, whites can sometimes be blown out more often than on the Second Sight transfer, and in some cases they’ll even get a bit blocky/artifact-y (especially noticeable in the shoulder area of Alfredo Sawyer’s shirt when he’s talking with Franklin in the van), yet I noticed some of the natural splotches/imperfections in the film negative (which I *love* they kept in/didn’t clean out!) tend to come through much, much clearer, crisper, sharper, and more detailed in the Dark Sky transfer than they do in the Second Sight transfer.
At the end of the day, I tend to agree that the Second Sight version wins out overall, especially due to the superior/way more active Atmos track (they are different in both releases! 😁👍). But that being said, it certainly is *very* close in my opinion, as the Dark Sky version *does* have the occasional moment of better clarity/sharpness/detail over the Second Sight transfer, but in turn, it has more blown-out whites… which leads to *less* detail than the Second Sight version in some places. Although the DS version sometimes wins out on detail/clarity (to a *very* minor degree), the Second Sight version is, in a way, seemingly more “refined” and “uniform.” I hesitate to say more “smoothed out” as I don’t believe there’s any DNR or smoothing going on (or if so, it isn’t much at all!) but whatever it is that Second Sight did to their version that Dark Sky didn’t do to theirs, it makes for a seemingly more “consistent” visual presentation overall, which I think most will appreciate more (as has seemed to be the general consensus so far). And just to add here at the end, it doesn’t always mean everything (as shown above & in this great showdown by Jeff), but for those who care, the total file size and bitrate are both higher on the Second Sight version than they are on the Dark Sky version, if that helps you to make a personal choice between them😁
I do think if they didn’t cram all of the special features onto the one 4K disc on the Second Sight release, it might’ve saved more room on the disc for the video file, and perhaps that “leg room” could’ve given the video file more “room to breathe” and lead to less compression (of which, again, there is seemingly less of on the SS version vs the DS anyway, so make of that what you will!), but I digress. Plus, ya can’t argue with the convenience of not having to switch out discs to watch the extras!😂
All in all, they’re both easily worthy of owning/both have their own individual pros and cons, just like Jeff said, so if you like the movie enough and can afford it… it’s a bit of a cop out for me to suggest, but honestly, I’d say get both👍
FYI Chainsaw 1 is about 83 minutes long and the file size for the film itself on a 90GB disc is 59.2GBs whereas Chainsaw 2, on the VinSyn 4K, is 60.6GBs on a 60.8GB disc.
Plus keep in mind that blu-ray/4K encoding wizards Fidelity in Motion handled the disc authoring on the Second Sight 4K UHD of Chainsaw 1, so basically its top of the line quality even with the remaining 30GBs or so allocated to bonus features.
@@GasmaskAvenger Good info, thanks man! I had always been concerned with how compression would play a role/take a toll, so I’m glad to hear it’s not that much-in this case, at least👍
I own the Second Sight disc, as well as the German SDR release that came out years ago. The latter features some really awful compression in areas, with some egregious macro blocking.
I kind of want to triple dip and get the Dark Sky release to see how it compares to the Second Sight disc. Based on screenshots, I do prefer the color grading of the Dark Sky disc - however - good compression/encoding is of high importance to me.
The DS version is currently on sale at the Best Buy local to me (maybe since they’re just trying to weed out what’s left of their physical media) - so I wanted to ask how bad is the macro blocking in the scene you mentioned of the DS disc? Is it forgivable enough to still purchase and enjoy watching without being taken out of the experience? Because the Second Sight encode is virtually flawless from an encoding standpoint.
@@TetraVaalBioSecurityHey friend! Sorry for my delayed response, I didn’t notice the notification until just now! I would have to agree with your sentiment and say that the Second Sight transfer is the best possible version at the end of the day, you’re 100% correct about that FiM encode (as Gasmask Avenger mentioned above, as well!) but yeah the Dark Sky one *does* feel different, to an interesting degree, and “dirtier” in a way-a good way, that is!!-almost like in a “true to the original” sort of manner👍
As for that aforementioned macroblocking, I honestly only really noticed it when I had it paused and was stepping forward frame by frame. Honestly a *lot* of these minute differences were really only noticed when doing that+flipping back and forth between the two😅
So honestly all that being said, I would definitely call any of the previously mentioned issues totally forgivable (especially if getting it on sale!) and I think you’d be very happy if just sticking with what you have, but you’d be just as happy-if not *much* happier😁- when giving yourself a treat by going ahead and taking advantage of those “Bye Bye Best Buy” sales and finishing off your trifecta by adding the Dark Sky version to your collection. Some people prefer it to the Second Sight, and you may find yourself being one of them! More options=always a good thing!
Anyway, I hope that helps, and if you decide to nab it, I hope you enjoy it!! Be sure to let me know what you think if you do! 😄👍
Edit: side note though, now you have me curious to check out that SDR German version, just out of curiosity! Presumably the least of the three versions, judging from what you described above and all the other stuff I’ve heard + the lack of HDR and all of course, yet it has the interesting/unique wrinkle of being the only 4K version which Tobe himself approved, so there is still that! Curious what he would’ve thought of the other two versions/their respective HDR grades🤔
Second Sight wins every day lol. Best boutique label out there hands down.
Hey everyone, just curious if anyone knows. Do sales from amazon contribute towards the total sales of 4k or is it only retail stores and certain websites?? Thank you
They do not have the exact same audio tracks. Second Sight did their own restoration of the mono audio and it is significantly better than one on the dark sky disc. Their Dolby atmos track is also completely different than Dark Sky’s and miles better for that matter.
Really?? Is there a review on RUclips of this?
@@thischannelisdeleted twin flicks discusses the atmos in his video but i own both copies and have listened to all these audio tracks myself. They’re not even a little bit the same.
Yes, came here to say this too👍 The Atmos on the Second Sight release is also way more active than the Dark Sky Atmos track (although both make good/interesting use of expanding on the source mono audio and spreading it all around you)
This is the original. Which is still the best. A grind house looking version of this film is perfect. The original is a perfect film for a grind house feeling release. Doesn’t get much better of a film to have that look on.
However, I may be in a minority, but I would like to see a 4K of the version with Jessica Biel. I thought that was a surprisingly good film.
I saw this original as a kid. And was absolutely terrified. It made me fear areas out on old country roads with few houses for years. 🤔🤷♂️😂
That 2003 version is great!
@@JeffRauseo it was definitely a surprise. I expected a real 💩 pile. But it was a whole lot better than it should have been. And we need a 4K of that one for sure.
Exactly... the Dark sky release is closer to Hoopers vision. The color grading is awful on the Second Sight release. I think a lot of people are saying the Second Sight release is better because they paid more for it.
I found a used Second Sight release for 15€ at a film store in Barcelona, bought it immediately and I gotta say, as lovely as it is (crisp, colorful, palpable) I think the seams come out much more with these high-res releases. Colors fluctuate between frames often, grain changes from shot to shot, it can be a little distracting. I love film restoration, so I'm all on-board, but for your usual customer I'd risk saying the movie offers a more consistent experience on DVD.
Awesome video, as always. But you should really include pictures and video clips from the movies to show comparisons while hou talk about them. Is it because of copyright issues that you do not do this?
VHS is probably the best way to watch this film lol
It really is a fun way to watch this film.
I get where youre coming from but nope...a third of the image is cut off. This is the number one reason why VHS is not the way to watch these movies
First way I saw it 🤣
I went with Dark Sky. 1. Closer to original intent, visually. 2. Cheaper, as it isn’t an import and isn’t deluxe packaging, although I did get the steelbook (more expensive than the slipcover edition, but cheaper than Second Sight’s version). Although I’d LOVE to have the deluxe packaging, odds are I wouldn’t get around to reading the booklet for years, so Dark Sky makes the most sense for me.
Second Sight do a standard edition in addition to the limited edition.
@@benpascall4297, yeah, but choosing Dark Sky’s version still outweighs going with Second Sight-deluxe or standard-for me.
@@aaronclick6388 horses for courses. I preferred and appreciated the Second Sight picture quality as the extra restoration work, which is non dnr and very subtle, but adds to the experience. Not sure if you follow him, but the RUclips channel Twin Flicks does an in depth side by side comparison of the two versions, with side by side stills and for me, the second sight version was night day a superior presentation.
As Jeff says in his video though, it's splitting hairs and just boils down to personal preference.
You made the right move... Second sight tried to brighten up the colors. It's Texas Chainsaw massacre.... not the Wizard of oz.
@@MovieGuy666 I think that's a slight exaggeration. Have you seen the reviews elsewhere for both versions compared? Twin Flicks does an interesting comparison and rates the Second Sight much better, not in terms of brightness but the extra detail that Secnd Sight got out of the image.
If you're making the point that the movie should look dark and undetailed, why get any 4k version and just go for the VHS.
I'm more of a cinephile than a videophile but the Second Sight release is beautiful to look at.
I just got my hands on the Dark Sky "Black Maria" release, but that Second Sight disc is tempting as hell
I'd love to get the Dark Sky/MPI 4K because having a more authentic presentation appeals to me and I love that it has the original poster artwork, particularly on that beautiful steelbook. But they should've also included a regular blu-ray (of the same restoration, not just throwing in the 2014 disc) for those like me who don't have a 4K setup yet. Even if they did there's a chance it would've been region locked and I'm in Australia so that's no good for me. I could get the special edition Second sight which is region B and also includes a blu-ray but it's too expensive for me considering that I'm not really interested in all the extra stuff.
Looks like it's torrents again...
I own both editions and overall I prefer the Second Sight edition. The Dark Sky release is perfectly acceptable too, but overall the UK set has superior visual and audio quality as well as the more attractive packaging and extras.
I bought both. Didn't open the dark sky one yet. I'm thinking of keeping it now😂
I got the Second Sight version - but am a big Second Sight fan and being British going for Second Sight version.
Picked up the second sight edition a few weeks ago and I agree it looks incredible in 4K
I have the Dark Sky 4K but that packaging and book sure are tempting.
I picked up Second Sight because I wanted a slightly clearer picture
I really appreciate your reviews brother, and I am on the same page that some movies shouldn't look "good" (the term "good" being subjective), This movie is a classic example where being 4k/UHD is a disservice, in my opinion. The movie was made to be the way it was presented. It's not "clean" and it shouldn't be.
I still keep VHS copies of some of these older films, namely the popular slasher series' of the time (Friday the 13th, Halloween, Texas Chainsaw, etc.) There is definitely something special about viewing them in a terribly aged format that is flawed. I have yet to watch the original Texas Chainsaw in any other format than VHS, and oddly enough, I'm okay with that. I have been expanding my Blu-Ray collection, but some things shouldn't be tampered with.
This movie, along with it's sequels, is raw and gritty. Watching them on a format (VHS) that doesn't age particularly well kind of adds to the charm. I don't want perfect visuals, I want a real deal experience.
I just bought mine directly from Second Sight to the US. Have they stopped shipping to the US?
You are totally right. I was thinking of Zavvi. I will edit that out of the video so it’s not confusing.
Awesome review, but the Dolby Atmos tracks are different. I took some time to listen to them both, and definitely Second Sight did a much better job. I don't think they're the same in the slightest.
I prefer the color grading on second sight because it feels more real, less like I’m watching on film and more like I’m there in Texas with them, running around
To me colors looks more fake on the second sight version and more natural on the dark sky version
@@robomnemonic3751 really? They are all muted lol none of them look like what you would see in person, like the red with the skulls in it is so much better on second sight and the green grass is so much better, I mean this is to my eye but I’m currently in school for visual effects and I have taken cinematography etc. but it’s what each individual prefers
@@ricanman85 Looks too vivid and saturated in comparison. Also some scenes looks crushed because of the vivid color. Those reds and greens looks too bright snd not as real
@@robomnemonic3751 that’s what I’m saying though, those are really what those things looked like lol and what they continue to look like till this day, especially the outdoors stuff
@@ricanman85 ??
Buy the TURBINE version!! Best packaging!! And has the Dark Sky transfer
Second Sight’s release is missing a couple of (very minor) audio cues, fwiw. I think it’s just a couple of grunts from Sally during the climax, but worth nothing for anyone that it would bother.
I usually stay away from the big box set as i don't see any value having a bunch of cards posters and pins etc that i just going to be inside the box for who knows how long.. A nice hard cover and sleeve that's as good as it gets...
Smart man. Don’t be like me.
I liken this interesting picture comparison to Halloweens Lionsgate and Scream Factory releases. I thought the SF release was superior. It is great to have options. Personally I think the extra restoration work done by SS on TCM makes their edition a clear winner here on picture quality alone. Originality is great but if quality matters why settle for less when you can have better? To me personally that’s why i upgrade to 4k for a better all round image presentation? And that’s what SS have done. If you then consider the packaging with the original UK art work on the box plus art cards and hard back essay well then its not much of a showdown at all. Second Sight is far superior to the Dark Sky edition. Having said that the DS release is still a good transfer it’s just not as great as Second Sight. They are leading the way right now with their releases imo.
It is funny because from the reviews and from hearing about it (and screenshots) I totally thought I would like the LG version better… But when I watched it on my TV, the SF was superior.
The Darksky version has the William Friedkin/ Tobe Hooper, interview. The Second Sight, does not. I agree with the Darksky transfer. It’s suppose to look grimy.
Great review matey
Also second sight did ship to me in the U.S. so I think it’s all good on their site now
I have the Dark Sky Blu-ray and it seemed like TTCM honestly couldn't look better. Now, if you gave me either 4K, I might be convinced otherwise, It looks like there's also a German 4K possibly from Turbine?
@@edrooney1967 I suspect that they are the exact same transfer.
Great to see a comparison of two 4K's, but I hope double 4K releases won't be too common, unless they are fixing a really bad one. To much stress about getting the "right" one and should I double dip when this other comes out etc., as well as two or more companies spending time on the same movie when they could be spending time on different movies. I this case however I won't be picking up either of them. I didn't really like Texas Chain Saw Massacre, nor did my dad and no-one else in my immediate family watches horror, so I'll stick with my blu-ray, in case I ever feel like giving it a second chance.
This is just a case of different countries having different releases. That’s very common. This one just tends to have several.
this is the one i wanted to see
I bought the Dark Sight release. I'm TIRED of double dipping. And I'm tired of TRIPLE dipping.
I triple dipped 😬
While I love the bells and whistles of the Second Sight release (I'm a sucker for sexy packaging), I'm content with the Dark Sky release. But god, I need to go region free already...these Second Releases are gorgeous and I'm missing out on them. I think I'll finally bite the bullet and budget for a region free player next month.
So I only have a little bit of FOMO for the Second Sight release only for the suped up packaging and book. But Dark Sky fits easily on a shelf, has a transfer that honors the visual language of the film, and has the supplements to satisfy.
I might have to pick the Dark Sky version up. I’m less about packaging…
The only reason that I would get the Second Sight edition. Is for the book. Honestly I'm not a fan of the Second Sights artwork. But I already have the Dark Sky edition. So the book is not enough to make me double dip.
Turbine Medien Germany vs. Second Sight Films UK would be interesting, too Jeff. Greetz from Germany, Basti 🙋♂️
I watch the Dark Sky version but I collect the Second Sight version 😉
I've got the second sight version. While I love grain in picture, texas chainsaw has a bit too much, to the point it's intrusive to the picture, it detracts from the overall viewing which is a shame because the detail and colour is phenomenal.
That’s not ever going to be better though. This is as good as we get. Don’t be distracted by it - enjoy the aesthetic!
that was the point... hooper wanted it to look grainy.
Got my Second Sight from Diabolik
I’ve only got the second sight one and it’s pretty damn grimy, the other one must look like a VHS :)
the second sight is almost grainless and the colors are way too vivid.
Dark sky has the better release.... OG artwork with a cool slip and it still looks grimey the way it should look.
A picture says more than a 1000 words… or would have.
I just got both. This way I have everything covered lol
Woooow this is a miss BIG TIME. The Second Sight release is more filmic, higher indetail, and there are a lot of spots where the Dark Sky image is completely blown whereas the Second Sight is properly balanced, not blown, abd revealing detail that was previously only seen on the film print.
THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME AUDIO TRACKS. INCORRECT. The Second Sight has a much cleaner and better balanced atmos track.
Jeff either did this without fully watching both films or he's being kind to Dark Sky for....reasons.
I recommend checking out the Twin Flicks side by side comparison for a true comparison.
Second sight colors are crushed in some scenes unlike the dark sky version and colors are more fake. Also fun fact dark sky version is approved by the director second sight is not.
Twin flicks pics are completely fake and he has taken them from the internet. It does not look right at all, the dark sky pics looks completely foggy to look at
I think he knows if he recommends the Dark Sky version, more people will buy it from his affiliate link. Because if he recommends Second Sight, the less will buy it because most of his audience is Americans that don't have a region free player
Comparing without actually showing anything that is nothing that's just you talking.
second sight is the definitive release Picture and sounds and packaging
If you already have the Dark Sky or the Turbine release, I don't think you need to upgrade. But, if you have no version, the Second Sight is the one to get. I had the Turbine and got the Second Sight just because I love their releases. I know there is always trepidation about not wanting TCM to look too pretty or if it even needs a 4K but, I think the 4K just brings out the grime and grain even more. It looks and sounds awesome.
It amazes me how much work the reviewers do to dance around the fact that the Second Sight is clearly the better release. All this flowery language just so they don't have to say: "As expected the Second Sight is clearly superior in any relevant way." :D
it's not better, the only thing that Second Sight has on dark sky films is the packaging.
@@MovieGuy666... and the image quality and the sound. ^^
Second site winner hands down
Why are you using the term "grindhouse"? Obviously, TCM is grindhouse cinema, but original grindhouse isn't an artistic vision so much as a market condition. Creators who were constrained to operate outside of production cinema were forced to distribute to grindhouse theaters. As much as I understand that this lent itself to a particular aesthetic, the aesthetic itself wasn't the objective for these films as a category. In this way, your use of grindhouse feels like a very post-modern take on the genre. (Great work on the review, BTW.)
The film is that aesthetic though. And in this case I felt like it made sense because that’s how one version looked vs the other cleaner one.
I prefer the remake. That would be groovy in 4K
The remake is AWESOME...but don't sleep on the ORIGINAL. I watch both -- every other year or so.
Book not booklet.
SICKO MOVIES
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@@JeffRauseo WOOF FAAAAAAA