Would you like to do a part 2? If so, you can contact TheGamerMaldito, he no longer uploads Isaac but I swear is one of the best players I have ever seen
Hutts' dataminer idea is good, but I think to fit with the trollish nature of the item, there should be a 10% chance that the info it gives you is wrong. Imagine the comedic potential, you see your item room has magic mushroom and then you walk in and its the bean or something. I think that fits more with the original intention of pissing off dataminers without being completely good or completely bad.
you made a shit of peace with your trash Isaac! It's fucking bad with your trash game! I will become back my money, I hope you will in your next life a cow on a trash farm, you sucker!
@@Natycik theres a much wider potential usage range though with dataminer. you could have it reveal what an unexplored room would look like by using it on a door so you can decide if it's worth it or not, or use it on a reroll machine to see what things will be rerolled into. if you generalize it to an information gathering active item, then there's a ton of potential ways it could be reworked.
I like the "actual datamining" angle but his idea sucks. He's basically saying "but I should have MOOORE streamer luck ;-;" and that's lame. It's boring at best and circumvents intentional game design at worst.
I've had an idea for Delirious to buff it. It would work like larynx where you can use it with any charge, but the higher the charge, the stronger a boss is. That way you can choose how strong you want it to be.
Fun fact found through datamining: Lil portal is actually bugged. When the floor is fully explored, it tries to make a portal to a deal room, then to error room. However, Isaac can't enter those portals because of a bug (It checks if room id is above 0, deal and error are rooms -1 and -2).
I don't fully like the idea for cursed eye but i think that the teleporting in the room part is good but only should be on bosses, i also pick it up when i can becuase i feel it has a similar Shotgun feeling that is better for me than mounstro lung becuase don't like arc tears
Honestly, how I'd buff it is to just implement a damage bonus based on the charge or maybe having it fire more tears. Like a full charge fires 5 tears that increase in damage (so that the 5th deals the most in the burst) or a full charge fires 8 tears at once.
A bit of a bastard concept i had while watching would be to up the curse factor of cursed eye, that if you get hit while charging you get a curse added to the floor. Maybe to buff it a tad, you could get a damage boost or an extra tear for every curse you have
5:26 I don't think the swap is necessary... It ends up almost making Stitches nearly entirely obsolete. While i do agree that Abel should always shoot in the other direction instead of just toward the center of the room (isaac shoots down, Abel shoots up, isaac shoots left, Abel shoots right, yada yada), but a set distance doesn't make much sense either- Lonslo effectively removed Abel and replaced him with a new familiar, which while said familiar is also a neat idea, kinda loses the main reason i like the idea of Abel.
Agreed. Abel does desperately need tweaks but when you're modifying the item THAT MUCH you kinda lose the essence of the miniscule handful of interesting things it had going for it to begin with. I think something straight and to the point would just be: Make it copy/reflect the direction you're firing, but then give it tears like Fate's Reward -- copies your tears but at a lower damage and tear rate. Easy! (But keep the thing where it fires at you instead for Cain/T. Cain because that's some cool flavor.)
Isaac tears -> quality 0 4:26 качество 0: существует: Этот бро: 7:52 quality 0: exist This bro: 11:33 .... 0 12:36 хэлоу гайс айм неономи зерес элот оф бэд айтемс ин зе гейм бат ол ов зем хэв сом сорт оф юз эксепт зэт ван тантердайс мэйк ю слов фо ван ачпи анд абилити ту дестрой рокс нот уменьш сомтаймс стомеи эффект из бад он итс ал ай вонт ту мэйк ит мол интерестенининтерестенинг ваулт рэнинг эрижинал концепт ай превезент ту ю баф э трэшн оф сикнес 2 эйчпи инстед ван анд юз титил дат слов иф ю точ сомбади зей тейк контакт дэмадж анд флай эвэй вит флат дэмэдж он импакт зэт эффект тзнт вери стронг ор ю ник бат ай диднт вант зис айайтем ту би вери стронг изнт а вонт зис айтем Гет аут оф неанр пикап статнс ту ситуйшен статус нов из джаст эноф контакт дэмэдж айтем выс из юник флэвэр ай сур ю фаинтед вери гуд иф ю хэв полароид ор юникорн стамп Запомните эти сигма слова
I like Hutts' dataminer pitch, but I'd also like to include some changes of my own: 35% chance to open all doors in a room including secret rooms and key door (maybe scaled with luck) 20% chance to change item into a tm trainer item that will not affect future item slots (to offset the curse of blind removal buff) 20% chance for a metronome proc (fun) low 2.5% chance to tamper with deal chance (random chance to increase or decrease by a percentage)
I actually had this effect on my list of ways to buff baggy! I decided against it in my final version only because I think it was a smidge much for one item
Oop, I did misremember dice shards no longer being changed my bad! But little baggy does still prevent all future *random* rune drops, just not forced ones like from Mom's Ring or Clear Rune. Thank you for the correction!
I loved how creative were these buffs. None of them were about changing numbers but introducing new and unique mechanics to the items. This is Binding of Isaac for you.
I think Delirious could be way more interesting if it worked like Everything Jar or Larynx where it got more and more powerful as you kept charging it, perhaps spawning more powerful bosses from later chapters as you kept charging it. The main change I want to see for Lil Portal is it becoming similar to GB Bug where you tap the fire button twice to make it go forward.
Some of my picks: Taurus: It's pretty much a speed down the way it is, there are a few ways to buff it: Make it not give you a speed down, make it so that you can shoot while invincible, make it trigger once on rooms without enemies (to use machines with it) Either one or all of these would make it more usable GB Bug: Give it a decent chance to upgrade the pickups (ex: Red heart to half a soul heart, pill to card, etc)
I’d argue gb bug is decent, being a weaker d20 with slightly better chest odds. If I were two buff it I’d just make the pickups it can morph intwo be unweighted, so you have an equal chance at getting a scared heart, or dime, or golden battery
my 2 cents about these sorry if it's a lot of text but i have a lot of playtime and thus a lot of thoughts on this lil' baggy: i don't think most of those ideas would help too much unfortunately. i definitely like the idea of everything that is not a card not getting replaced, after all starter deck doesn't do that either this made sense in the past, since runes were considered cards in AB+, but with the changes to blank card, and clear rune being a thing and whatnot, that is obviously no longer the case i also like the idea of new good pills getting added to make up for the reversed cards you're giving up on, however that still feels pretty random and kinda tacked on imo, what if instead lil' baggy just acted as a kinda tarot cloth for pills, increasing the chance for horse pills if unlocked, and maybe even also dropping a guaranteed one always, giving it a nice niche on new savefiles isaac's tears: auto-firing would definitely be a first step in the right direction, but that would effectively just make it a fully passive item, which tbf would be a conversion i wouldn't mind but only if it went fully passive, because if it still filled up my active slot, what would make it still worth hogging that slot after i find something just slightly better? which is pretty much any active item under the sun but what if instead they just increased the charge cap and made it kinda work like jar of flies or urn of souls? where you put one charge in for every tear fired, up to let's say 50, and the more you have when you fire it, the more tears it shoots out with higher damage multipliers, and at the highest numbers maybe even guaranteeing certain luck-based tear effects abel: he's cute, i don't see him needing to be changed tbh he's kind of a meme, the fourth brother to brother bobby, sister maggy and ghost baby, just harder to use, and i think him being shunned by most of the fandom just fits his role as abel, his brother stealing his shine and whatnot i don't think he should be getting many buffs without other familiars also getting similar ones, especially nothing that crazy though i'd love him to maybe have a chance of applying the backstabber effect. i think that fits him decently well both in story theming and the fact that he is mostly shooting from behind dataminer: no notes, i've agreed with this since he first said it there's some potential with it reflecting edmunds item from four souls, if they let you choose from a couple values to either in- or decrease, maybe like a choice between 3 random ones per floor or something, but that could get really broken real fast, and also really buggy if it went to the extent of tmtrainer. it would be fun, but it would still make it an item i would avoid on any run i even remotely hold dear cursed eye: if anything, the second idea is what i would go with because the first one would completely remove the item from its niche as a easy source of teleports yes we have enough cards and items, but this is one you can get the most uses out of yes i hate getting ripped out of bossrush, but i just as much love being able to steal from it at the cost of half a heart, without having to have my active or card slot filled up yes the fool is guaranteed on D2 and you can just get another card before you leave, still i think making it teleport you inside the room would take it from mildly annoying but sometimes useful to just annoying MAYBE if there was a small chance that the teleport would also negate the damage that triggered it in the first place black powder: i agree, i can't remember when i last intentionally used that item maybe on a blindfolded challenge but even then i'd rather just get a familiar from the devil deal instead lil' portal: pretty good idea, but it still doesn't get rid of the core issue of it ALWAYS UNINTENTIONALLY EATING UP YOUR ROOM REWARDS BECAUSE FOOLISH ME SHOT TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE ROOM BECAUSE THE LAST ENEMY WAS THERE, HOW COULD I BE SO NAIVE? why is it not doubletap, just make it doubletap... linger bean: very good although pretty strong, but he knows that would definitely be warranted though with an accomodating quality increase thunder thighs: useful changes though i'd honestly hate to be rid of the rock stomping it's a mechanic that only 2 items have, and yes walking over mushrooms is dangerous, but i've trained my brain to avoid those for the better half of a decade now, infinite bombs is still worth it then again, it would make leo more unique i guess... not that effects overlapping between items was ever an issue tho i mean just look at the sagittarius cupids arrow situation really, the speed down is the only bad part about the item imo, but it's so important to the items theming that i couldn't imagine them getting rid of it MAYBE instead of it being a speed down, it just permanently reduces the maximum speed isaac can have to let's say 1.5, i think people would be less upset about picking something like that up, especially if it also got the contact damage delirious: hard agree i think it's laughable how the item pretends to play in the big leagues with it's 12 room charge bar and rarity, being exclusive to one specific elusive pool that completes the trio etc. when it is... well... like that... also did you know that bosses generated by delirious count towards the pool delirium can transform into during it's boss fight? even when used during the fight? i once used the item in the fight because i thought it would be funny it spawned a mama gurdy, which did about as much as you'd expect, and then just seconds after the boss turned into mama gurdy as well and i am pretty sure i did not encounter that boss during the run otherwise my own honorable mention: clicker why does it turn me into a random character whose unlocks i already have or don't want, and why does it take an item from me as payment i picked this character and these items for a reason yes there is niche usecases, but even in those you best case use clicker once and never again, and you'd still have to find it first maybe make it let you choose between either guaranteed clicking to the tainted version of your character and vice versa or a random character like before or alternatively make it take less charges to use so in the rare case i WANT to use it it doesn't take me the rest of the run to pull it off you know tbh, why not just make it free and infinite use, like potato peeler if i want to sacrifice half of my inventory within 10 seconds to fish for a specific character, let me do that i think that's pretty equivalent to sacrificing all of your hp for an arguably much stronger upside
First of all, would like to say, great video. It’s so cool seeing all of these incredible creators coming together to work on something they are clearly passionate about. Now, that being said, one thing really had me unsettled throughout the video. WHAT THE HELL WAS TM TRAINER DOING IN THE BEGINNING THERE? I DEMAND RETRIBUTION. I DONT KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD BUT I WANT IT. Tm trainer will always be my silly boy and I am VERY upset by it being a part of this group of undesirable items.
Hutts idea is great, its a complete rework that makes the item useful and it fits the item theme in a really original way. I also LOVE the idea of passive active items, I also think its a cool idea that hasnt been exploited in the game and would add more difficult decissions for switching active items which is nice. Anyway, all ideas were actually great and would love to see them added in game. Awesome video dude😍💚
Нет, просто неономи действительно очень хорошо разбирается в айзеке, и его замечают не только в ру сегменте. Например Nyantuber упоминал Неономи в видосе, и говорил, что он крут, Нео тоже упомянул Nyantuber с багом Д4. Ну и вот его сюда позвали, никакой сторонней карьеры(судя по его речи ему в принципе не очень удобно на английском говорить)
10:41 that's not true, it can teleport you to special rooms, it just works like the golden teleporter. Clear out the floor first, make a portal, and you can get item rooms, shops, secret rooms or whatever really. I think the only exceptions are the devil deal and the error room
It's worse than Teleport 2.0 due to not taking you to the two most important rooms you can get from it, despite having a much higher cost of use. It also DOESN'T use the double-tap mechanics, which is inconsistent with the similar effect of reworked GB Bug. I think the idea was to give you a faster means of backtracking through floors and therefore meeting Rush'n'Hush timers, but the cost of use and uncontrollable nature are FAR too high. Definitely my top pick for a rework, I'm shocked it survived the other patches in its current state.
@alexanderkosten7611 I mean, of course it's worse. One is a quality 1 the other is one of the best active items in the game. I'm just saying they work in similar ways Not every item is supposed to be great, the game would be terribly unbalanced then. I think lil portal provides plenty of value if you actually try to engage with it. Free secret rooms, free boss item every two floors, you can get out of a curse room for free too, maybe even an item room you'd have to otherwise skip because you ran out of keys. Could it be better? Of course, but it sure isn't high on the list of items I'd like to see buffed
@@orions2908 It eats consumables by accident, simply because they happen to spawn in its path when you (unwillingly) shoot it, for a benefit that is exceptionally unlikely to be equal to losing valuable keys/bombs/etc. It is one of the most actively detrimental and annoying items in the game and I REFUSE to take it for any reason other than Dead God/Infinity%.
I have another idea for delirious. Similar to larynx, it keeps its maximum charges and the amount of charge determines its "power", that being the boss' floor
The black powder rework is a great idea but sounds OP, making is so “drawing” the circle would be reset after taking damage or straight up making the item a one or two charge active item would be a great way to balance it in my opinion
hey, this is my idea. i understand it does look a bit OP but if you try it in a run it really isnt, most rooms make it impossible to take full advantage of and the damage to bosses is good but doesnt carrry a whole run
Hello guys. I'm Neonomi. There is a lot of bad items in the game but all of them have some sort of use. Except that one. Thunder thighs make you slow for 1 HP and ability to destroy rocks. Not to mention sometimes stompy effect is bad on its own. I want to make it more interesting without ruining original concept. I present to you buffed version of sickness. 2 HP instead of 1 and use deal that's low. If you touch somebody, they take contact damage and fly away with flat damage on impact. This effect isn't very strong or unique, but I didn't want this item to be very strong either. I want this item get out of never pick up status to situationally status. Now it's just another contact damage item with its unique flavor. I'm sure you'll find it very good if you have polaroid or unicorn stump.
dunce cap def needs a buff of some sort. maybe change the pickup text to "Dumbfire away!" give your tears a weak homing effect, and give them a chance to gain a random worm effect in an attempt to wiggle their way towards an enemy that they get close to. it'd still be pretty bad, but at least make it so there's some small upside trying to outweigh the utter badness.
14:43 for it being a TWELVE ROOM CHARGE, i feel like it needs at least to be able to survive across rooms. Give it about 1/6 of Delirium's health, rather than immunity, while also slowly draining the HP so as to still preserve some sort of time limit.
Isaac's Tears feels like it's only actually good with Tiny Planet, as you get a burst of tears that orbit you as opposed to needing to build them up. Also, for IBS I'd make it a 1-room Active Item, where you can see what poop comes next. Any time I've gotten it as a passive it's literally only hurt me.
2:59 is that it can kill you. No joke, I have had this thing bug out BAD and after using it like 5 times in a row with barely a break inbetween I just died. Like even the Isaac fade showed up showing that you KILLED YOURSELF.
Delirious could also function like larynx. The higher the charge the more powerful the boss it turns into is. 12 charges could have it always turn into hush, 11 could be blue baby/lamb, 10 could be isaac/satan, 9 could be it lives/mom's heart, etc
![Felix "Unfair" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Oswujxm2Ag0/mqdefault.jpg)
This was so much fun to make and coordinate! Everyone was super chill :D I hope you guys liked the idea :)
АБАДОООООН
Would you like to do a part 2? If so, you can contact TheGamerMaldito, he no longer uploads Isaac but I swear is one of the best players I have ever seen
Hmmm never knew he was a fan of Mac and me movie.
im glad you added people like turtle melon, their content really needs to be seen by more people.
Where is sinvicta? Our boy has more than 15k hours on this game, maybe he knows something
Mattman dying after getting his own buffed item is such a mattman moment.
Then again. He can find a way to make a video out of it.
@@kapikapisunhe did
@@kapikapisun"This item made me DIE on basement 2!"
He died?!?
@@SpectralSantino sad part is? That title wouldn't suprise me. It fits the bill of clickbait.
Its good thing you asked Neonomi , this dude is literally married to Tboi
Скоро у него будет больше дедгодов, чем жителей россии
@@IzvestnyakBlade Это потому что у него будет больше дедгодов в будущем, или потому что в будущем...
@@СавелийИванов-ш3мboth
@@СавелийИванов-ш3м ...будет меньше жителей россии
АБАДОООООООООООООООООООООН
No way, now Neonomi can teach the whole internet how to play in Isaac
Он хочет бафнуть бёдра чтобы раздавить игру ещё на пять дедгодов
@@PEMOHT_YHITA3OB на 5 челленджей которые синергируют со словом срать
Надо было баффать АБАДОООООООООН
@@DEEENCHIK66идеальное - это законченное совершенство
Hutts' dataminer idea is good, but I think to fit with the trollish nature of the item, there should be a 10% chance that the info it gives you is wrong. Imagine the comedic potential, you see your item room has magic mushroom and then you walk in and its the bean or something. I think that fits more with the original intention of pissing off dataminers without being completely good or completely bad.
bonus if the 10% of the fake info always include a quality 4 just to fuck with the player.
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I dunno, that way you will have an effect that is not guaranteed to work normally, which means you can't really play off of this item's effect.
@@kykypy3hu4389 counterpoint: funy
Maybe 10% chance to change the item into a tm trainer item. That would balance risk vs reward and fit with data miners current theme
I just love that half of the comments are about Neonomi being present
He speedran Dead god once.
@@Thy_Punishment_Is_OOF a lot more times than once...
@@nikotheripper2260 my fault.
Really? I think it's pretty annoying.
We're glad you asked Neonomi!
Но я думал, он лучше выступит.😢
ABADDON!!!
The TBOI community has fallen
@@HaHaPchi ну он как всегда, все по делу и понятно
@@homan269 always been
God now it's impossible for me to hear "Edmund McMillen" without the "You little fucker" right after
you made a shit of peace with your trash Isaac! It's fucking bad with your trash game! I will become back my money, I hope you will in your next life a cow on a trash farm, you sucker!
I WILL BECOME BACK MY MONEY
We need Neonomi to rework Rocket in a jar
But this item is already reworked into at least not horrible one
But it would give him bombs...
@@tinjester1291it's just a meme, because every time Neonomi picks up Rocket in a jar, he forgets he picked it up and kills himself with rockets
Это мне даст бомбы.... ДА СУУУУУУУУУУУУ, ЕБ БОМБЫ!!!
@@tinjester1291 это очень популярный русский мем , который появился ещё до обновления айзека
Neonomi detected, coments are moving to ABADOOON fans. Thanks for new isaac video❤
ABADOOOOOON
АБАДОООООН
А БАТОООООН?
Аааббааадоооооооооооаанн
ABBAAADDDOOOONNDN
You summoned the entire Russian community. ОМГ неономи на англоязычном ютубе!
We need 200 billion rockets to deal with it.
так ещё и на английском💀
Это даст бомбы
@@homan269 "politician" in a game about a 5 year old boy crying on poop🧐🧐🧐
ABADDOOOOOON
Neonomi's English speach are so cuuute, I love him!
Ain't no way Neonomi's here too my boy!! That's gonna be pure fire 🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣
woooo
ABATOOOOOOOOOON
the neonomi swarm is here.
Haha it’s the abaddon person
Yea Neonomi!!!!
АБАДДОН
А БАТООООООООН??
АБАДОООООН
oh god have I shown you the memes
Rare Neonomi cameo
ABADOOOON
No way, neonomi is real
It is I, epic Black Powder coder. Thanks for having me on this project Slay!
Easily top 3 in the video, great stuff!
Amazing rework, really on theme and much more useful, thanks!
holy shit, neonomi jumpscare
Наконец-то неономи сможет научить играть в айзека весь интернет
суууука он с самыми знаминитыми ючуберами взападе коих я смотрю на ежедневной основе,я сейчас кончу 𝓲'𝓶 𝓮𝔁𝓲𝓽𝓮𝓭
Наш СЛОНЯРА
Бро реально перевёл это🗣🗣🔥🔥
I really love Hutts idea for Dataminer, how when you use it you actually data mine the run so you could see chests or items
His idea is just Guppy's eye plus Dream Catcher
@@Natycik in cost of wasting active item slot
@@Natycik theres a much wider potential usage range though with dataminer. you could have it reveal what an unexplored room would look like by using it on a door so you can decide if it's worth it or not, or use it on a reroll machine to see what things will be rerolled into. if you generalize it to an information gathering active item, then there's a ton of potential ways it could be reworked.
I like the "actual datamining" angle but his idea sucks. He's basically saying "but I should have MOOORE streamer luck ;-;" and that's lame. It's boring at best and circumvents intentional game design at worst.
huge respect for inviting neonomi
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I don’t even speak Russian but I have a fairly good idea what a good chunk of these comments are saying XD
They are happy about the Russian Isaac RUclipsr is here even though all of the RUclipsrs are Americans!
@@baconcowboy9536 neonomi is russian
@@zCoconut I know
I'm also live in 1 of countries with russian language
ABADON
Delirious was an unexpected jumpscare because i forgot such item is in the game to begin with lmao
Which supports my point! :D
So surprised to see Neonomi here, love that guy
Neonomi knows isaac even better than Edmund does
HELL YEAHHH, our GOAT Neonomi is here!🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
наш слон
13:14 from шлак status to почти бесполезно status
Or maybe доставай салфетки status?
@@АльбинаМансуровнадостаем салфетки статус только если при подборе на столе окажется банка пенного
@@АльбинаМансуровнаошибся каналом
Это в этой секции комментов аналитику ждут?
@ОннокорОктябрь Да, ждём аналитику всех дедгод спидранов от Неономи
Great video! Really fun working on this. Turtle Melon's Idea is actually so good, hope it gets added.
when the gorange is fake
no way there's matt and neo in one vid
And matt!
And matt is also here!
The black powder rework is easily my favourite
The idea of a demon appearing out of a pentagram just makes sense
no balance tho, which is something that isaac should get
@@bullet3417 For what it is, it would be good and balanced
@guydudething2795 that is literally little horn but even stronger without requiring luck stat how is that balance?
@@guydudething2795too OP
thank you! glad you liked my idea!
This was SO fun! Thank you Slay for organizing it :3
Wasn't expecting for you to just drop the estrogen pill idea but it's awesome and a fun suprise lol
NEONOMI?!!?! АБАДОН!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
И КОМОК СОЛИ
@@VIBro_rafinad обзор 1001 вида чая
Я ПЁРНУЛ
Разрыхлитель
Это даст мне бомбы 💣💣💣
Thank you for inviting Neonomi, this man truly a legend of RU TBOI community
P.s Неономи наш слоняра🗣🔥
A t3rr0r1st TBOI community's legend is a crazy title.
@@homan269womp womp
Ждем витька и серегу))
finally someone points on thunder thighs
I've had an idea for Delirious to buff it. It would work like larynx where you can use it with any charge, but the higher the charge, the stronger a boss is. That way you can choose how strong you want it to be.
Neonomi? HEEELL YEAAAAAH
HELL YEAH HE INVITED NEONOMI !!!!
Thanks for having me...
JUSTICE FOR LIL' PORTAL!!!!
Fun fact found through datamining: Lil portal is actually bugged.
When the floor is fully explored, it tries to make a portal to a deal room, then to error room. However, Isaac can't enter those portals because of a bug (It checks if room id is above 0, deal and error are rooms -1 and -2).
I expected Neonomi to offer AБАДДОН rework. I'm deeply disappointed (
And i expected rocket in the jar...
@@niknikitin2552 ракеты уже реворкнули, Нео с них больше не бомбит.
@Ratibor-J12 было бы уместно, если бы это было мем видео, но тут типа серьёзные реворки предлагают, а абаддон и так топ тир айтем.
@@Terezi_PyropeТы слишком серьёзно воспринимаешь мой коммент
I don't fully like the idea for cursed eye but i think that the teleporting in the room part is good but only should be on bosses, i also pick it up when i can becuase i feel it has a similar Shotgun feeling that is better for me than mounstro lung becuase don't like arc tears
couldn't agree more, the teleport can be very useful at times so getting rid of it completely is a bad idea
Honestly, how I'd buff it is to just implement a damage bonus based on the charge or maybe having it fire more tears. Like a full charge fires 5 tears that increase in damage (so that the 5th deals the most in the burst) or a full charge fires 8 tears at once.
Наверное это очень лениво. Но если арт плохой, то можно просто сделать , чтобы он давал + урон и + слёзы
A bit of a bastard concept i had while watching would be to up the curse factor of cursed eye, that if you get hit while charging you get a curse added to the floor. Maybe to buff it a tad, you could get a damage boost or an extra tear for every curse you have
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Скажем, not ideal
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5:26 I don't think the swap is necessary... It ends up almost making Stitches nearly entirely obsolete. While i do agree that Abel should always shoot in the other direction instead of just toward the center of the room (isaac shoots down, Abel shoots up, isaac shoots left, Abel shoots right, yada yada), but a set distance doesn't make much sense either- Lonslo effectively removed Abel and replaced him with a new familiar, which while said familiar is also a neat idea, kinda loses the main reason i like the idea of Abel.
Agreed. Abel does desperately need tweaks but when you're modifying the item THAT MUCH you kinda lose the essence of the miniscule handful of interesting things it had going for it to begin with.
I think something straight and to the point would just be: Make it copy/reflect the direction you're firing, but then give it tears like Fate's Reward -- copies your tears but at a lower damage and tear rate. Easy! (But keep the thing where it fires at you instead for Cain/T. Cain because that's some cool flavor.)
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Isaac tears -> quality 0
4:26 качество 0: существует:
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7:52 quality 0: exist
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I like Hutts' dataminer pitch, but I'd also like to include some changes of my own:
35% chance to open all doors in a room including secret rooms and key door (maybe scaled with luck)
20% chance to change item into a tm trainer item that will not affect future item slots (to offset the curse of blind removal buff)
20% chance for a metronome proc (fun)
low 2.5% chance to tamper with deal chance (random chance to increase or decrease by a percentage)
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I'm so glad Neonomi is here. I'm literally on the seventh heaven
Little Baggy should increase the chance of getting horse pills. They’re so rare for no reason.
I actually had this effect on my list of ways to buff baggy! I decided against it in my final version only because I think it was a smidge much for one item
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We got a 2 types of comentators:
1: cool vid, i like this youtuber item, wow thats cool buff and e.t.c
2: OMAGAD NEONOMI?!
3: Me, who keeps shitting on Hutt's idea lol
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1:50 Little Baggy already doesn't prevent you from seeing runes or special pickups like dice shard anymore. That was removed in repentance.
Oop, I did misremember dice shards no longer being changed my bad! But little baggy does still prevent all future *random* rune drops, just not forced ones like from Mom's Ring or Clear Rune. Thank you for the correction!
I’d love if Data Miner had a chance of changing you to pre buff keeper / lost as a reference to the Lost/Keeper ARG
I loved how creative were these buffs. None of them were about changing numbers but introducing new and unique mechanics to the items.
This is Binding of Isaac for you.
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I think Delirious could be way more interesting if it worked like Everything Jar or Larynx where it got more and more powerful as you kept charging it, perhaps spawning more powerful bosses from later chapters as you kept charging it.
The main change I want to see for Lil Portal is it becoming similar to GB Bug where you tap the fire button twice to make it go forward.
Neonomi sleeper agents assemble!
Some of my picks:
Taurus: It's pretty much a speed down the way it is, there are a few ways to buff it: Make it not give you a speed down, make it so that you can shoot while invincible, make it trigger once on rooms without enemies (to use machines with it) Either one or all of these would make it more usable
GB Bug: Give it a decent chance to upgrade the pickups (ex: Red heart to half a soul heart, pill to card, etc)
Omg yes, fuck taurus
I’d argue gb bug is decent, being a weaker d20 with slightly better chest odds. If I were two buff it I’d just make the pickups it can morph intwo be unweighted, so you have an equal chance at getting a scared heart, or dime, or golden battery
I think the taurus effect should just activate more time per room, it’s not like the invencibility effect is that broken to just have one time use.
That's a a rather obscene amount of perks for an horoscope item
Seeting Slay, Hutts, Mattman, and Lonslo in the same video is a drea come true
Thanks for asked Neonomi, he is litteraly walking wiki of tboi. Most expiriensed player i've ever seen
my 2 cents about these
sorry if it's a lot of text but i have a lot of playtime and thus a lot of thoughts on this
lil' baggy:
i don't think most of those ideas would help too much unfortunately. i definitely like the idea of everything that is not a card not getting replaced, after all starter deck doesn't do that either
this made sense in the past, since runes were considered cards in AB+, but with the changes to blank card, and clear rune being a thing and whatnot, that is obviously no longer the case
i also like the idea of new good pills getting added to make up for the reversed cards you're giving up on, however that still feels pretty random and kinda tacked on imo, what if instead lil' baggy just acted as a kinda tarot cloth for pills, increasing the chance for horse pills if unlocked, and maybe even also dropping a guaranteed one always, giving it a nice niche on new savefiles
isaac's tears:
auto-firing would definitely be a first step in the right direction, but that would effectively just make it a fully passive item, which tbf would be a conversion i wouldn't mind
but only if it went fully passive, because if it still filled up my active slot, what would make it still worth hogging that slot after i find something just slightly better? which is pretty much any active item under the sun
but what if instead they just increased the charge cap and made it kinda work like jar of flies or urn of souls?
where you put one charge in for every tear fired, up to let's say 50, and the more you have when you fire it, the more tears it shoots out with higher damage multipliers, and at the highest numbers maybe even guaranteeing certain luck-based tear effects
abel:
he's cute, i don't see him needing to be changed tbh
he's kind of a meme, the fourth brother to brother bobby, sister maggy and ghost baby, just harder to use, and i think him being shunned by most of the fandom just fits his role as abel, his brother stealing his shine and whatnot
i don't think he should be getting many buffs without other familiars also getting similar ones, especially nothing that crazy
though i'd love him to maybe have a chance of applying the backstabber effect. i think that fits him decently well both in story theming and the fact that he is mostly shooting from behind
dataminer:
no notes, i've agreed with this since he first said it
there's some potential with it reflecting edmunds item from four souls, if they let you choose from a couple values to either in- or decrease, maybe like a choice between 3 random ones per floor or something, but that could get really broken real fast, and also really buggy if it went to the extent of tmtrainer. it would be fun, but it would still make it an item i would avoid on any run i even remotely hold dear
cursed eye:
if anything, the second idea is what i would go with because the first one would completely remove the item from its niche as a easy source of teleports
yes we have enough cards and items, but this is one you can get the most uses out of
yes i hate getting ripped out of bossrush, but i just as much love being able to steal from it at the cost of half a heart, without having to have my active or card slot filled up
yes the fool is guaranteed on D2 and you can just get another card before you leave, still i think making it teleport you inside the room would take it from mildly annoying but sometimes useful to just annoying
MAYBE if there was a small chance that the teleport would also negate the damage that triggered it in the first place
black powder:
i agree, i can't remember when i last intentionally used that item
maybe on a blindfolded challenge but even then i'd rather just get a familiar from the devil deal instead
lil' portal:
pretty good idea, but it still doesn't get rid of the core issue of it ALWAYS UNINTENTIONALLY EATING UP YOUR ROOM REWARDS BECAUSE FOOLISH ME SHOT TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE ROOM BECAUSE THE LAST ENEMY WAS THERE, HOW COULD I BE SO NAIVE?
why is it not doubletap, just make it doubletap...
linger bean:
very good although pretty strong, but he knows that
would definitely be warranted though with an accomodating quality increase
thunder thighs:
useful changes though i'd honestly hate to be rid of the rock stomping
it's a mechanic that only 2 items have, and yes walking over mushrooms is dangerous, but i've trained my brain to avoid those for the better half of a decade now, infinite bombs is still worth it
then again, it would make leo more unique i guess... not that effects overlapping between items was ever an issue tho i mean just look at the sagittarius cupids arrow situation
really, the speed down is the only bad part about the item imo, but it's so important to the items theming that i couldn't imagine them getting rid of it
MAYBE instead of it being a speed down, it just permanently reduces the maximum speed isaac can have to let's say 1.5, i think people would be less upset about picking something like that up, especially if it also got the contact damage
delirious:
hard agree
i think it's laughable how the item pretends to play in the big leagues with it's 12 room charge bar and rarity, being exclusive to one specific elusive pool that completes the trio etc. when it is... well... like that...
also did you know that bosses generated by delirious count towards the pool delirium can transform into during it's boss fight? even when used during the fight?
i once used the item in the fight because i thought it would be funny
it spawned a mama gurdy, which did about as much as you'd expect, and then just seconds after the boss turned into mama gurdy as well
and i am pretty sure i did not encounter that boss during the run otherwise
my own honorable mention: clicker
why does it turn me into a random character whose unlocks i already have or don't want, and why does it take an item from me as payment
i picked this character and these items for a reason
yes there is niche usecases, but even in those you best case use clicker once and never again, and you'd still have to find it first
maybe make it let you choose between either guaranteed clicking to the tainted version of your character and vice versa or a random character like before
or alternatively make it take less charges to use so in the rare case i WANT to use it it doesn't take me the rest of the run to pull it off
you know tbh, why not just make it free and infinite use, like potato peeler
if i want to sacrifice half of my inventory within 10 seconds to fish for a specific character, let me do that
i think that's pretty equivalent to sacrificing all of your hp for an arguably much stronger upside
First of all, would like to say, great video. It’s so cool seeing all of these incredible creators coming together to work on something they are clearly passionate about.
Now, that being said, one thing really had me unsettled throughout the video.
WHAT THE HELL WAS TM TRAINER DOING IN THE BEGINNING THERE? I DEMAND RETRIBUTION. I DONT KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD BUT I WANT IT.
Tm trainer will always be my silly boy and I am VERY upset by it being a part of this group of undesirable items.
shut up no one thinks ur funny
Loved hutts for so long man, his worst mods series was so good
Hutts idea is great, its a complete rework that makes the item useful and it fits the item theme in a really original way.
I also LOVE the idea of passive active items, I also think its a cool idea that hasnt been exploited in the game and would add more difficult decissions for switching active items which is nice.
Anyway, all ideas were actually great and would love to see them added in game.
Awesome video dude😍💚
Какого? Как? Что? У неономи секретная англоязычная карьера? Слей германо-русский шпион? Как это произошло, мне интересно
Нет, просто неономи действительно очень хорошо разбирается в айзеке, и его замечают не только в ру сегменте. Например Nyantuber упоминал Неономи в видосе, и говорил, что он крут, Нео тоже упомянул Nyantuber с багом Д4. Ну и вот его сюда позвали, никакой сторонней карьеры(судя по его речи ему в принципе не очень удобно на английском говорить)
@@GGunGGameможешь сказать в каком видосе? если ты помнишь конечно.
@@JC__Denton у Nyantuber точно не помню, а у Нео это было в нарезке(По-моему, где нарезка тлоста во всех смыслах)
I love how at the start he says "what do i know, im only one person" being THE guide guy
Crazy how you called for a lot of these that actually get buffed in repentance+
NEONOMI!? What the hell are you doing here
10:41 that's not true, it can teleport you to special rooms, it just works like the golden teleporter. Clear out the floor first, make a portal, and you can get item rooms, shops, secret rooms or whatever really. I think the only exceptions are the devil deal and the error room
It's worse than Teleport 2.0 due to not taking you to the two most important rooms you can get from it, despite having a much higher cost of use. It also DOESN'T use the double-tap mechanics, which is inconsistent with the similar effect of reworked GB Bug. I think the idea was to give you a faster means of backtracking through floors and therefore meeting Rush'n'Hush timers, but the cost of use and uncontrollable nature are FAR too high. Definitely my top pick for a rework, I'm shocked it survived the other patches in its current state.
@alexanderkosten7611 I mean, of course it's worse. One is a quality 1 the other is one of the best active items in the game. I'm just saying they work in similar ways
Not every item is supposed to be great, the game would be terribly unbalanced then. I think lil portal provides plenty of value if you actually try to engage with it. Free secret rooms, free boss item every two floors, you can get out of a curse room for free too, maybe even an item room you'd have to otherwise skip because you ran out of keys. Could it be better? Of course, but it sure isn't high on the list of items I'd like to see buffed
so it's just a worse teleport 2.0 with a gimmick that it can't even really use if you were to use it how you're describing
@@orions2908 It eats consumables by accident, simply because they happen to spawn in its path when you (unwillingly) shoot it, for a benefit that is exceptionally unlikely to be equal to losing valuable keys/bombs/etc. It is one of the most actively detrimental and annoying items in the game and I REFUSE to take it for any reason other than Dead God/Infinity%.
Its very good decision to invite neonomi❤️
Я думаю, что никто не ожидал тут увидеть Неономи
Neonomi trying to speak english is entertaining, great ideas from every participant! Would love to see them ingame
Slay is the gurú of Isaac, mattman is the madmen of isac, and Hutts is the cool uncle
Cool uncle with god damn big mustache 🔥🔥🔥
Neonomi is an Isaac veteran.
As a cursed eye lover
Cursed eye should have a higher chance to appear if you have a curse
neonomi's english is actually pretty good
I have another idea for delirious. Similar to larynx, it keeps its maximum charges and the amount of charge determines its "power", that being the boss' floor
that black powder was actually incredibly interesting. Never thought about it needing a rework
thanks! i really wanted to pick an item that people often forget is pretty bad, and its an idea for rework id had for a while
How cool that most of the items mentioned got buffs
The black powder rework is a great idea but sounds OP, making is so “drawing” the circle would be reset after taking damage or straight up making the item a one or two charge active item would be a great way to balance it in my opinion
hey, this is my idea. i understand it does look a bit OP but if you try it in a run it really isnt, most rooms make it impossible to take full advantage of and the damage to bosses is good but doesnt carrry a whole run
@@TheTurtleMelon I’ll take your word for it. The rework is still sick as hell either way.
Its been forever since I kind of kept up with Isaac content in the past year, and this is a nice suprise hearing the games getting another update.
Not even Marvel has these crossovers.
Hello guys. I'm Neonomi. There is a lot of bad items in the game but all of them have some sort of use. Except that one.
Thunder thighs make you slow for 1 HP and ability to destroy rocks. Not to mention sometimes stompy effect is bad on its own. I want to make it more interesting without ruining original concept.
I present to you buffed version of sickness. 2 HP instead of 1 and use deal that's low. If you touch somebody, they take contact damage and fly away with flat damage on impact.
This effect isn't very strong or unique, but I didn't want this item to be very strong either. I want this item get out of never pick up status to situationally status. Now it's just another contact damage item with its unique flavor. I'm sure you'll find it very good if you have polaroid or unicorn stump.
dunce cap def needs a buff of some sort. maybe change the pickup text to "Dumbfire away!" give your tears a weak homing effect, and give them a chance to gain a random worm effect in an attempt to wiggle their way towards an enemy that they get close to. it'd still be pretty bad, but at least make it so there's some small upside trying to outweigh the utter badness.
Great video! good job on bringing more content creators!
I REALLYYYYYYY liked the black powder suggestion! also Delirium was cool!
12:51 Oh, are you from England?
I like how neonomi rework thunder things. Unlike some other remade items his rework retained the essence of the item
i leave this community for 3 months and THIS is what i see?
14:43 for it being a TWELVE ROOM CHARGE, i feel like it needs at least to be able to survive across rooms. Give it about 1/6 of Delirium's health, rather than immunity, while also slowly draining the HP so as to still preserve some sort of time limit.
Nice to see Neonomi here.
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Isaac's Tears feels like it's only actually good with Tiny Planet, as you get a burst of tears that orbit you as opposed to needing to build them up.
Also, for IBS I'd make it a 1-room Active Item, where you can see what poop comes next. Any time I've gotten it as a passive it's literally only hurt me.
And edmund had the same or similar enough ideas that it made it into the update
The Delirious idea is honestly so sick, i hope it gets implemented at least in some way
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2:59 is that it can kill you. No joke, I have had this thing bug out BAD and after using it like 5 times in a row with barely a break inbetween I just died. Like even the Isaac fade showed up showing that you KILLED YOURSELF.
that black powder change would actually be so cool, love it
thank you!
10 items, 10 RUclipsrs, and 10 different gameplay styles. And yet, they all just use Isaac to showcase.
Base isaac is well, the base, he is better for showcasing ítems as opposed to eve or azasel.
nuh uh, gorange used gorange at the very beginning of his presentation
Delirious could also function like larynx. The higher the charge the more powerful the boss it turns into is. 12 charges could have it always turn into hush, 11 could be blue baby/lamb, 10 could be isaac/satan, 9 could be it lives/mom's heart, etc
we got estrogen pills in isaac before silksong
I did not expect this video to be this awesome! I love the collab format!