Historical "Cheap Shots" in European Martial Arts

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  • Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
  • Not all techniques are artful and respectful. Hosts Nicole Smith & Jesse Tucker from Blood and Iron demonstrate a few "low blows", and cheap shots found in several manuscripts.
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  • @BloodandIronHEMA
    @BloodandIronHEMA  4 года назад +58

    At 2:20 we mean a caustic, corrosive, Blinding* powder. Not a black powder. Whoops. - Also, if anyone is interested in the STL files to be able to print their own Fiore Poison Polearm, Julian will be uploading the STL's of the components on Patreon within the next few days.

    • @penttikoivuniemi2146
      @penttikoivuniemi2146 4 года назад

      The recipe for the poison can be found in Fiore's manuscript :D

  • @storyspren
    @storyspren 4 года назад +55

    Alternative title: When the Fighter takes a Rogue dip

  • @GuitarsRockForever
    @GuitarsRockForever 4 года назад +29

    The knee strike looks absolutely brutal (and legit technique).

    • @InSanic13
      @InSanic13 4 года назад

      Apparently very risky, though.

  • @HEMASimian
    @HEMASimian 4 года назад +26

    hey everyone! We're back.
    Upon the return to regular filming sessions, we've been messing around with our setup (lights, filming locations) again, so if the following few videos visually look different we're just trying to figure things out. This video was actually near the tail end of all that, but we wanted to get this episode out to you first. So this will be more-or-less closer to what to expect in the future.

  • @smol_hornet613
    @smol_hornet613 4 года назад +24

    *overgrips sword*
    "What if I'd put my blade on top of yours?"
    *blocked*
    "haha just kidding :3"
    *overgrips with crossguard*
    "unless..?"

  • @patliao556
    @patliao556 4 года назад +9

    Interesting. I was reading Christian Cameron's historical fiction novel 'Sword of Justice', and it features Fiore as a secondary character and companion to the main character, William Cook, an English knight in the late 14th century. In that novel, there's a tournament duel in armor where Fiore is witness to someone using powdered arsenic concealed in a pollaxe head, I thought it was a fanciful invention on the part of the author!

  • @wilowhisp
    @wilowhisp 4 года назад +4

    I presume that last knife technique was from "The manual of the Baratero" lots of strange stuff in that one. Such as the sash or Cape thrown on the ground and pulled out from under the attacker.

  • @brandonogden3498
    @brandonogden3498 4 года назад +14

    Yeah, that last one is straight up "how to murder someone unaware". I could see feigning off-balance in a match and hoping they fall for it, but if my opponent were falling I'd just smack them, win, then help them up after.

  • @maritimeswordschoolmoncton6513
    @maritimeswordschoolmoncton6513 4 года назад +2

    Never underestimate the power of the tactical flashlight! All you need is that opening!

  • @milesnorsworthy946
    @milesnorsworthy946 4 года назад +27

    You're talking a lot of trash for someone that's in poison powder polearm range.

  • @ibrahimshokry4084
    @ibrahimshokry4084 4 года назад +1

    THEY ARE BACK !! I love your work

  • @scottmacgregor3444
    @scottmacgregor3444 4 года назад +7

    Hmm, I wonder with that last one where you draw the line between "Martial Arts technique" and not. Not sure what to call "not" beyond maybe trickery or sleight of hand.

  • @HuevoBendito
    @HuevoBendito 4 года назад

    Yesss, new vid!

  • @wongkohping4944
    @wongkohping4944 4 года назад

    very nicely made video

  • @rntlpbm
    @rntlpbm 4 года назад

    love it

  • @ChickenChunks
    @ChickenChunks 4 года назад

    I love this

  • @paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522
    @paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522 4 года назад +3

    2:40 movie sets turn the lights off during fights

  • @mikeoxlong1395
    @mikeoxlong1395 4 года назад +4

    "I used to be a fencer like you until i took a pommel to the knee."

    • @caseydubois3645
      @caseydubois3645 3 года назад +1

      So... his knee was ended rightly?

    • @mikeoxlong1395
      @mikeoxlong1395 3 года назад +1

      @@caseydubois3645 The knee and half the neighborhood...

  • @RayJonh
    @RayJonh 4 года назад

    Wow. Great

  • @logankraemer9622
    @logankraemer9622 4 года назад

    They're back!

  • @DaBezzzz
    @DaBezzzz 3 года назад

    I am now very interested in that gypsy knife fighting manual

  • @frogmad13
    @frogmad13 4 года назад

    Cool!

  • @TonyDragonsNava
    @TonyDragonsNava 4 года назад

    Awesome the mighty Jesse Tucker congratulations. I hope to see you soon

  • @reaperwithnoname
    @reaperwithnoname Год назад

    I just saw the powder trick in fiore myself. Im curious what the counter to it is.

  • @KirkWilliams300
    @KirkWilliams300 4 года назад +1

    When the knight specs into some assassin skills

  • @edi9892
    @edi9892 4 года назад

    The last one is actually only an example amongst many assassination techniques. Hiding the blade under crossed arms, holding it in the same hand as a gift are some other notable examples.

  • @joeyvanhaperen7715
    @joeyvanhaperen7715 4 года назад +2

    Crossguard to the knee damit imagen that without wearing armor 😟 it hurts just thinking about it 😅

  • @JM-tp8if
    @JM-tp8if 4 года назад +1

    Can someone link me a pdf or tell me what that Gypsy fighting manual is? It has piqued my interest.

  • @EliteFireSaint
    @EliteFireSaint 4 года назад +5

    So you're saying theres more than just having a pocket full of sand? Time to step up my game.

    • @harrylangton3206
      @harrylangton3206 3 года назад

      Two pockets of sand, if you listen to Godinho :^)

  • @subsonic9854
    @subsonic9854 4 года назад +2

    I can see that these are effective, but not why theyre 'cheap' outside of a duelling context. The gypsy one definitely works and makes a lot more sense than challenging somebody to a knife fight.

    • @InSanic13
      @InSanic13 4 года назад

      The first wouldn't be very useful in an actual swordfight, since it only serves to draw a little blood from the head and win the conditions of a certain kind of sport duel. The second is extremely risky, as they mentioned in the video. The third wouldn't work outside of special duelling contexts, since you're not going to carry a polearm for self-defense and that powder stuff probably wouldn't be too practical to bring to a battlefield. The fourth only works if you're planning to ambush someone at night and thus are bothering to conceal your lantern. The fifth is flat-out murder (I don't really see how you would pull it off in a self-defense situation).

    • @rollingthunder1043
      @rollingthunder1043 4 года назад +1

      That's the thing though. These are "cheap" only in a duelling context, because a duelling context is the only context where there's any such thing as a "cheap shot". On the battlefield there's no etiquette, only a dead man and a living man. But as said, most of these techniques either wouldn't do anything useful on a battlefield (the one where you just lightly nick your opponent's scalp) and/or would be stunningly dangerous to try in a life-or-death situation, and thus probably not worth risking if there's safer, less "cheap" maneuvers one can do.

  • @calvinosaurus4514
    @calvinosaurus4514 4 года назад

    How do you defend against the first one if you don't want to be cut?

  • @ThiLI0n
    @ThiLI0n 4 года назад

    Very interesting :-D

  • @sojjjer
    @sojjjer 4 года назад

    that smallsword is beautiful, where did you get it?

  • @leviethen
    @leviethen 4 года назад

    Definitely going to whip out a pocket strobe light next time

  • @killerkraut9179
    @killerkraut9179 4 года назад +3

    Gypsi Figting manual?

    • @edi9892
      @edi9892 4 года назад +1

      Surprised that some of them can read?

  • @hreidarrchernobog
    @hreidarrchernobog 4 года назад +3

    What's the name of that gypsy knife fighting manual?

    • @andrewk.5575
      @andrewk.5575 4 года назад +8

      "Manual of the Baratero: The Art of Handling the Navajo, the Knife, and the Scissors of the Gypsies" is the name in English, I assume this is the book they were talking about because perhaps unsurprisingly this is apparently the only historical book on Romani martial arts.

  • @ollejanson9071
    @ollejanson9071 4 года назад

    I´ll save that last one till next gear check

  • @jeremieherard2166
    @jeremieherard2166 4 года назад

    the Italian Powder thing sounds brilliant

  • @elzian4975
    @elzian4975 4 года назад

    1:50 How can he be cut in the head if he's wearing armor??

  • @MartinGreywolf
    @MartinGreywolf 4 года назад

    Hm, looks like the pepperbox warhammer could be made better by slanting the holes towards the tip, that would move the spray cone so that the head is in the middle. Because if you want to blind someone with tremendous pain, you may as well be efficient about it.

    • @HEMASimian
      @HEMASimian 4 года назад

      hahah, for sure, I had around...2 days to design and print and fabricate the whole thing, so there's definitely some inefficiencies XD

  • @SomeWheats
    @SomeWheats 4 года назад

    ''CALL AN AMBULANCE! CALL AN AMBULANCE!
    ...BUT NOT FOR ME!''

  • @Isaiah-tp1nc
    @Isaiah-tp1nc 4 года назад +1

    Jesse!!!!!!!!!

  • @favkisnexerade
    @favkisnexerade 4 года назад

    Are you sure that guard strike to knee would do much damage through mail and some steel plate armor? I mean isn't the point of warhammers with spike is because if you hit with hammer part on plate it wont do much?

    • @rollingthunder1043
      @rollingthunder1043 4 года назад

      It'll still do plenty of crushing damage. Yes, the plate will absorb a lot of the damage, but a blunt strike to the knee will at the very least hurt. It could even buckle the knee plate, making it harder to bend that knee and thus move around, or straight-up transfer enough blunt force trauma (even accounting for what's stopped by the soft padding) to shatter the knee joint. IIRC, plate armour was almost impregnable against slashing and stabbing damage, but didn't do quite so well against blunt force, which is exactly why pommel and guard strikes were invented - if you didn't have a pole-arm or a warhammer handy, you at least had SOME way to defend yourself against a guy in full plate.

  • @les6paul
    @les6paul 4 года назад

    PSA: Todd's Workshop has been hijacked. While I don't want to use another Creator's space to point out this issue, It is something that hits the HEMA/historical community as a whole and we need to stick together. Here is the Metatron channel with the specifics.
    ruclips.net/video/0X5txoRiMrQ/видео.html

  • @borislavkrustev8906
    @borislavkrustev8906 4 года назад

    There is no sh sound anywhere in Leckkuechner, guys. Ch is pronounced like h in "happy".

  • @oscallibur5597
    @oscallibur5597 4 года назад +5

    So... no ending them rightly?

  • @marfan4850
    @marfan4850 3 года назад

    That gypsy knife shot was dirtyyyyy

  • @iankelly3479
    @iankelly3479 4 года назад

    Yes, fill the void with Lye and ground red pepper. 👍😬

  • @Sk0lzky
    @Sk0lzky 4 года назад

    2:20 - everybody expects bleach in milkshakes, not an actual weapon! XD

  • @erikjarandson5458
    @erikjarandson5458 4 года назад

    I would imagine that a skill differential between two opponents would be fairly common. That would leave the less skilled with the option of running away, being killed, or using a dirty trick. I find it quite credible that fencing teachers didn't want their students to use such techniques, in part because they're dishonorable, but also because they're risky, and their students should have enough skill that they shouldn't need to rely on them. They'd still need to know about them, to defend against less skilled and more sneaky opponents.
    The Gypsy one was nasty, and more an assassination technique than a fighting technique. Get the liver or the aorta, and there won't be any fighting. I can easily imagine that a pick-pocket-turned-assassin would have the acting skills to pull it off.

    • @rollingthunder1043
      @rollingthunder1043 4 года назад

      "There wouldn't be any fighting"
      How long does it take to die of a stab to the liver? I would have thought at least long enough to fight back a little, but then shock is a thing. I know belly wounds can take minutes or hours to die of, and they're a surgeon's _nightmare_ because of all the blood supply, organs that need stitching back carefully in place, and the horrendous amounts of bacteria in the intestines.

    • @erikjarandson5458
      @erikjarandson5458 4 года назад

      @@rollingthunder1043 These aren't random gut wounds. If the aorta is severely lacerated, as in would be if a professional killer made an unobstructed attack on it from close range, the blood pressure will go to zero, immediately, resulting in instant loss of consciousness. In fact, it'll fall faster than with a stab through the heart. The liver will take slightly longer, but the pain will be excruciating, and certainly stun the victim long enough for the attacker to get out of range. We're still talking about death within a minute or so, unconsciousness before that, and weakness before that. For silent knife kills, commandos still go for the liver; you've almost certainly seen pop-culture versions of the technique. In reality, it takes a little longer than the 5 seconds shown in movies, but not all that much.

    • @iankelly3479
      @iankelly3479 4 года назад +1

      I used an umbrella with a long metal tip, to great effect on a pick pocket. Out side the pirate bar in New Orleans. Played his ribcage like a xylophone, I did. Then got the tip stuck between notes. He was quite indisposed after the fact.👍😯

  • @obi-wankenobi9871
    @obi-wankenobi9871 4 года назад +1

    Well, I guess people tried to not die.

  • @su9erhans
    @su9erhans 4 года назад

    Lethal Ron Swanson

  • @dustinmorton942
    @dustinmorton942 4 года назад +6

    no flying pommels? ;)

    • @HEMASimian
      @HEMASimian 4 года назад +5

      we figured that there wasn't much point in beating a dead horse ;)

    • @PandemicalShade
      @PandemicalShade 4 года назад

      Dustin Morton don‘t want a copyright lawsuits from skall...

    • @PandemicalShade
      @PandemicalShade 4 года назад

      Dustin Morton don‘t want a copyright lawsuits from skall...

  • @penttikoivuniemi2146
    @penttikoivuniemi2146 4 года назад

    No Godinho's pocket sand and the bag of rocks from that one German rapier treatise... I'm disappointed.

  • @edi9892
    @edi9892 4 года назад

    I practice Asian style of fencing and they see working from the bind as a cheap shot and it actually allows me to score against opponents that are far better than me. This makes me wonder why they never practice binds as they do happen accidentally.

  • @kamilszadkowski8864
    @kamilszadkowski8864 4 года назад +6

    1:44 Please don't misinform. The is no way in hell that shot would "destroy the knee" in armor. Maybe possible if you reach the back of the knee with that crossguard. This is coming from someone that had his knee destroyed in bohurt.

    • @HEMASimian
      @HEMASimian 4 года назад +5

      Considering the efficacy of blunt impact weapons on armour, it'd be easy to assume that it would cause significant damage to a weak joint. But if you have literal experience in the matter then we stand corrected ;)

    • @kamilszadkowski8864
      @kamilszadkowski8864 4 года назад +2

      @@HEMASimian From my own experience, I can tell that in order to damage a knee of armoured opponent you have to either overextend his knee or use some serious power and by that I mean a polearm or a mace although I saw guys that could take several shots even from those. I'm not saying that the technique you showed doesn't work but I find it hard to believe it would do any significant damage with just one hit.

    • @JustGrowingUp84
      @JustGrowingUp84 4 года назад

      @@kamilszadkowski8864 Yes, that's what I also thought.
      It's nice to hear from someone with actual experience.

    • @favkisnexerade
      @favkisnexerade 4 года назад +1

      thanks for sharing, I thoguht same thing, but maybe if they wear mail without plate armour on leg then it'd work? when messers started being used? something like 1300? then I guess it's possible to meet someone with mail on their legs

    • @kamilszadkowski8864
      @kamilszadkowski8864 4 года назад

      @@favkisnexerade Yeah, but if someone's legs are protected just with mail chauses there is really no need to use a crossguard. Any clean shot to the knee with a blade of a sword even could potentially end the fight.