The wheel going around Nemesis is actually a reference to her mythology! A common symbol of Nemesis in ancient Greece was a wagon wheel with a wedge missing. (The persona's "head" actually makes the wedge!) This symbolizes that while revenge is a cycle that goes on and on, being weighed down by revenge actually makes it harder to move forward. I don't think I need to explain how this applies to Ken. I actually think it's a pretty good design myself, but to each their own
I quite like the design of Nemesis as well. I like to think that the smile on it's torso is supposed to represent the apparent glee that many people think they'll get when they get their revenge on someone only for them to be completely unsatisfied and/or regretful when they accomplish said revenge.
Personally I think persona designs should be like this, alien and behind layers of meaning. Being a bit mechanical and a bit out there is sorta what persona are about and I like that nemesis is a bit unsettling
@@ConcernedAboutCrows I totally agree She's unsettling because Ken's behavior and goals are unsettling especially since he's a child The layers of interpretation are amazing☺
Exactly! I feel like Nemesis is one of the best personas of the cast exactly because of all the interpretations and creative liberties they got to represent it! If anything the one unfairly put in this list is Nemesis (although Pisaca took the bullet there, even though I do not like its design to begin with)
Director: "We need to give the All-father, Odin, a design that perfectly suits his status as king of the Norse Gods." Designer: "Got it, you want a twink with a pointy hat."
@@sigmundschwartz6434 It's how the concept art for Inanna are so tame. The final designed is still exactly what I thought of after seeing Diana's design and realizing that Inanna is also a fertility goddess
If I had to say, Bael's redesign could have worked as "first form" kind of deal. He starts off relatively normal, just a dude with some animals, then becomes the monstrosity that fuses all those things into one.
Yeah as someone who haven't watched or played dbz or smt I thought it looked like the Dragon ball artist made it. If you showed people who don't know a collection of dbz characters with Odin in there or something and asked which one doesn't belong in Dragon ball I think he would successfully blend in and avoid a pattern of being singled out as the fake.
Justice for Nemesis! Why I like Nemesis? -The wheel IS a buzzsaw. Whenever Ken does a physical skill (of which, Ken primarily uses physical skills with the down bonus damage) Nemesis does assault the opponent with her buzzsaw. It's a fun design choice that makes the animations a little more fun (and makes Kala-Nemi feel like a downgrade). -The robot design jives with me. The robot design with the dumb chest face shows that Ken isn't quite as mature as he's letting himself on to be. Combine that with the buzzsaw and you have a design the looks overly eager to do the whole goddess of punishment thing (which again can come back to Ken). -Something about having a faceless head with the chest face just appeals to me as someone who enjoys unsettling designs.
The buzzsaw is also a nice bit of symbolism. It makes Nemesis look more inhuman than the other initial personas, and makes it look like something that could not function "normally" the way other humanoid personas like Castor or Hermes could. It does a good job of depicting the destructiveness of Ken's suicidal quest for revenge in that first half of the game.
Nemesis' buzzsaw could also reflect the symbolism of karma, even though that's more for The Wheel Of Fortune, it's still prevalent in Justice. The reason its a buzzsaw of all things is to represent his journey of revenge, which is what the Reversed Justice Arcana usually depicts
I like Odin a lot because: - He's emaciated, which reflects Odin's character. Odin isn't a badass viking warrior, he's a conniving wizard who needed to undergo self torture and physical trials before he could learn all the ruins. It also kind of reminds me of Jesus. - His robe and nudity kind of makes him look like Greek statute which contrasts with the rest of his get up and makes it look like he has chad confidence. - His one eye, self-explanatory. - His spear is cool and again reminds me of Jesus (Lance of Longinus). - His viking helmet is awesome and way cooler than thor's. - His raven is cool and appropriate.
he's just so minimalist that it looks out of place besides the other high tier personas/demons. like you see satan, beelzebub, norn, lucifer, and then odin. he could have a huge sage beard, or a cooler robe with runes, or a thinking pose, or anything at all.
alexander martinez Odin’s whole thing is that he’s minimalist though. In mythology he looks like Gandalf, just an old man with a robe and a hat. Mega-Ten is in fact playing it up massively lol.
the spear is Gungnir, the robe is to be expected, the purple skin and nudity is... well, that's probably Freya's department. The horned helmet is actually the most out of place element in his design, as his traditional description when he deigns to walk among mortals is that he wears a straw wide-brimmed hat
@@ChibiKami he is not really walking among mortals in the game though he is in fights and at war technically. He does have gold armor and his spear of course
The Diana one gets worse. Her Greek counterpart Artemis debuted way back in Megami Tensei II and, despite having a different design, is still based off that same fountain. More loyally too, since all of those melons are gathered on her chest.
"during my early teenage years of browsing the internet sometimes my curiosity would get the best of me" I think we all know where this is going so moving right ahead
@@רועיכהן-ל1יI love ingodly things, it gives meminspiration to write horror scenarios, sometimes horror and erotica walks a fine line, a name for the work should be appreciated.
The Odin design is actually pretty brilliant in its simplicity because it captures how Odin will often disguise himself as an ordinary person to go out into the world and toy with people in games of wisdom. Yeah he’s super strong, but he values himself more as a thinker than a fighter
I hate those edgy extra detailed designs with zero to none actual reference to source material, but for some reason I really like Sanat design. And I don't see anything wrong with Ancient of Days. In fact, I have it on my top 10 Megaten demons of all time.
You know, the first thing I thought about when meeting Demeter was Pixie. I guess the artist went for the whole "little playful fairy" design. As much as I agree with Sanat, I think it went for the a "chaotic evolution" approach. Pisaca is scary as fuck. I love it.
I'd honestly love to see some western tall tale figures to turn into demons, or more indigenous/native/Aztec stuff Conspiracy demons like chemtrail was cool and I'd like to see more of that somehow
I would like aliens like greys, the flatwoods monster and the hopkinsville goblins. I would also like more cryptids like ogopogo or bigfoot, as well as more urban legends like the mad gasser, perhaps Bloody Mary.
I think some more American Folk lore/mythologies would be really cool. Some that come to mind would be, Paul Bunyan and Headless Horseman. Big foot is an obvious but it’s only appearance was in SMT 1 so a comeback is so needed. We already have Mothman so I think more would be great.
Aww I love the Mitama’s their design is so simple and charming imo I don’t think it’s lazy I think it’s a cool motif. Plus they were all super useful and various different points in my P3 FES and P4G playthroughs.
The Mitama actually combine a few different mythological influences. The "classical" elements of Air, Water, Earth, and Fire are the colours Yellow, Blue, Black and Red. The faces relate to the "four humours" theory of psychology: Black bile, yellow bile, sanguine, and phlegmatic. Each humour is attached to a personality trait, and you gotta keep 'em in a certain amount of balance or you get Problems. That's where the faces come in.
So, I guess I'll have to be the one to defend Sanat, eh? Well, so, I do agree that his desing is way too much, but that's really the point. In SMT IV he's *supposed* to be the embodiment of Chaos, which is exactly how he's portrayed: there's no symmetry at all in every part of his body, no harmony, and no consensus on what he's supposed to look like; just like the Ancient of Days is supposed to be the embodiment of order.
Exactly! I was wondering if anyone else was thinking this, especially cause AoD is like almost entirely symmetrical, so when you put them side by side the art direction makes so much more sense
Meh it still sucks My favorite thing about sanat is that he is forever a 16 year old age wise That also implies that he looks like a human otherwise there would be no way to know This design not only does it not look like what senat should look but also contradics his lore and worse of all He looks... Old All these skinny long arms and and face makes him look like an old monk with just shouldnt be the case at all The design would have been better if this was a fase he could reach during battle instead of just being how he looks like
Bael: I agree with that, this design was a downgrade. Lucifer (SMT4): Yeah, I usually think Handsome Squidward whenever I see this design, I think the 2nd Phase design's better. Demeter: This design choice is more humorous to me than it should be. (Just something hilarious about seeing Zeus getting a badass design, then in the same game you get Demeter as a child.) Sanat: Someone sat down, drew this guy, and never stopped. (I do think it's cool looking, but I do agree that it's overkill.) Pisaca: You poor soul. (I actually like Pisaca if mostly for the design, because it looks cool to me.) The Recolors: A shame that they didn't do a little more than just a palette swap (But hey, extra powerful demons) (A shame that they're DLC.) The Mitamas: Eh, can't win them all I suppose (In Persona, these guys aren't so bad gameplay-wise. And that's why I like them.) Nemesis: Ah yes, the Buzzsaw (I do like Nemesis for being rather blunt: Buzzsaw Robot.) Odin: I like both designs, though I do like the first design if mostly because the old look is basic and nothing too complex. (Not to knock down SMT4's Odin, that one's badass, and it makes up for it being a different design.) Diana: They did her dirty with this design. That is all. So yeah, I don't mind simplicity in my designs, but I don't mind having details in character design. As for least favorite SMT monster? Obariyon. Annoying little gremlin.
Also Bael's original appearance in MT II as a high-level boss was profoundly epic looking. He's in the center of page 49, looking all metal as ****! megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Bael?file=Demons_of_MTII.jpg
@ً But for Demeter,one of her domains being fertility,it doesn't make sense for her to be portrayed in this way. Like, if this was Artemis the goddess of virginity,moon,and the hunt her being a child would fit. Demeter being portrayed as child like doesn't fit with her legend nor character.
@ً I know that loli=/= child,but Demeter's design to me looks less an adult woman who happens to be very short and/or petite and more like an actual child. I don't see any kind of womanly curves on her design anywhere(that would indicate the more motherly and fertility aspect of her character.) so to me it looks way more childish than it should. So I'm sorry,but Demeters character design doesn't work on any level for me,even accounting for the loli=/= child angle.
I always thought Nemesis was supposed to represent Ken's need to act like an adult with the buzzsaw surrounding the almost childlike face in the middle.
I think it works out because for all extents and purposes Demeter is one of the less twisted law aligned demons. And it's pretty hard to watch what happens to her since she was just loyal to law's ideals and still looks like a child.
Reminder that Demeter was not Doi's idea and it was the higher-ups at Atlus that wanted a little girl. Doi isn't perfect by any means, but acording to interviews he didn't like the Demeter they went with and just had to deal with it.
Honestly her desing isnt bad but i can see why people dont like it. Maybe because it changes too much yet too little at the same time from what people imagine as "goddess of fertility etc."
Odin is described as having a blue cloak, wide brimmed hat, a full beard and his spear, Gungnir his spear in hand. I'm not sure how the clean-shaven, purple skin or cape and whitey tighties got into SMT.
There's some visual depictions of Odin that depict him as almost nude. And I believe he's referenced as being almost nude in some old Norse folklore takes too. As for him having purple skin I think that's just there to differentiate himself from regular people.
@@ils4844 In Japanese monster-collection stuff, purple skin is shorthand for full-body frostbite, especially on supernatural beings who ostensibly can continue to exist in such a state.
in the #6 i think this is what he was talking about "95853" (this is a code for a website, don't ask me on how to use it, but for those who know how to use it well..... good for you)
In fairness to Diana, she is also the goddess of motherhood, so it's sort of similar for what they did for Innana. It's still not really GOOD but it does make some sense.
Wait that doesn't make sense. Diana is the Roman counterpart to Artemis. Artemis is one of the 3 virgin goddesses in greek mythology. Wouldn't motherhood fall Juno's domain?
@@dustinvance243 She is more specifically the goddess of childbirth, which is also true of Artemis. In Greek mythology, in some stories, Artemis was born first and helped in the childbirth of Apollo. If I had to guess, the association likely comes from her association to virginity, since children are virgin. You would think it would be Hera, but also Hera really likes killing children (specifically Zeus' children, she tries very hard to kill Zeus' children with any woman that isnt her).
"Odin is just doing the bare minimum" And you're correct. It's just Kaneko slapping every single description of Odin in Prose Edda (Cloak and Golden Helmet) on a purple mannequin.
I do admittedly have a bit of a soft-spot for SMT 4's Lucifer design, more specifically the one in Apocalypse. Along with the emphasis on black instead of purple leading to a more striking appearance he has a really fun pose and expression that gives him a unique look. I'm not sure if I prefer it over his standard designs but it at least feels fitting for the Lord of Chaos.
I actually like the Demeter desing for the exact reason that the designer says. Kids then to be innocent and pure, you don't suppose to distrust someone who looks like her.
I kinda like the SMT4's Lucifer because he looks to me like what a fallen Angel would look like. Humanoid...but not quite enough to be human, the left arm with what I presume the remains of your friend forming in there, and it just...kinda works for me. Yeah the older design is much better but to me I think the design kinda fits, but yeah him on the throne does look pretty baller, after all thrones are awesome Also I agree bout the palate swap DLC, I don't mind DLC demons but god damn Also how I would fit the Mitamas I'd have a maniquin like creature holding a mask with the different expression. I feel it would go with the theme it isn't meant for battle but fusion but give it a more original spin on their gimmick of souls
SMT IV Lucifer would be completely fine if he had a different outfit. But the gold matador really ruins everything. Makes him look like Michael Jackson or David Bowie or something. Completely wrong vibe.
4:30 what bs, he should have said " i just wanted to draw some lolis" i'd be ok with that, i stopped questioning the japanese a long time ago, like just don't lie to my face
"It looks like one of those crazy things that drunk people do videos" we need to start following those crazy drunks if they are somehow locating giant toads to ride
I honestly like both designs for Odin. The first one I feel is a minimalist design at its finest. The fact that he just looks so simple and yet so intimidating screams confidence to me. His SMT4 design is also pretty badass, and gives him a majestic, graceful, yet vindictive vibe.
I find it pretty interesting that Odin's weakness is fire, and Surt has fire skills, because in norse mithology, Surt is destined to kill Odin during the Ragnarok =V
thanks, nyarly, that pisaca thing now ghosts around twitter. and even tho, i really like Odins design, BECAUSE its kinda minimalistic, but in the best way possible, it IS quite underwhelming if we consider how important of a god he is.
@Weston Meyer Okay, I'm gonna take your statement and information about the game in the internet. SMT is Megaten (you say) Devil Survivor is an SMT SPINOFF (as the internet say) SMT Spinoff is still SMT therefore... Devil Survivor is both SMT and Megaten
Got to know about megami tensei after playing p3 and became a huge fan. Your channel was one of the biggest motivators to experience early persona games that are close to smt games and real smt games and this was an experience with the capital E. Thank you so much for your content. You are the best
"My Harvest!" is killing me each time she appears. Currently playing Strange Journey for the fist time after being introduced to the universe trough P4G on Steam.
I really hate to admit how much I love the Mitama quartet lol. Like I wholeheartedly agree with you on every point, but I can't help but love them. Especially Ara Mitama. They always remind me of Super Princess Peach, and I wouldn't be entirely shocked if Nintendo got the idea from there, though I doubt it.
Have you imagine yourself, lay down, wounded. And this boy comes to you. And starts cutting your body with his saw thing. While the last thing that you see are that saw with your blood and that smile... Nemesis is by far my favorite persona of the protagonists.
I like Nemesis. I think that it's honestly pretty cool. Plus I think that catatonic stare and just lack of liveliness in movement or expression it has is almost like how Ken can't move past his plot for revenge in the game.
6:30 oh no ... I am Sorry for probably One of most fucked doujinshi ever ... Tho i don't understand how DID he appear in Persona 5, he doesn't really fit
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"Arms coming out of his shoulders"
I'm preeeety sure that's where their supposed to come out.
"BEHOLD! My demons are a bit different........"
One like more to 666
They are?! What? Mine come from my knees!
Key word: Arms with an s
"Melons, and not the kind you eat."
...okay, but are you sure?
*softly*: Don't
It kills me how they butchered Diana, it actually cracks me up so hard.
hey I mean, as long as they're juicy
babies disagree!
@victor ` humans aren't Gods, so it's more diecide with a side order of consuming said diety.
So Catholicism!
The wheel going around Nemesis is actually a reference to her mythology! A common symbol of Nemesis in ancient Greece was a wagon wheel with a wedge missing. (The persona's "head" actually makes the wedge!) This symbolizes that while revenge is a cycle that goes on and on, being weighed down by revenge actually makes it harder to move forward. I don't think I need to explain how this applies to Ken. I actually think it's a pretty good design myself, but to each their own
I quite like the design of Nemesis as well. I like to think that the smile on it's torso is supposed to represent the apparent glee that many people think they'll get when they get their revenge on someone only for them to be completely unsatisfied and/or regretful when they accomplish said revenge.
Personally I think persona designs should be like this, alien and behind layers of meaning. Being a bit mechanical and a bit out there is sorta what persona are about and I like that nemesis is a bit unsettling
@@ConcernedAboutCrows I totally agree
She's unsettling because Ken's behavior and goals are unsettling especially since he's a child
The layers of interpretation are amazing☺
Exactly! I feel like Nemesis is one of the best personas of the cast exactly because of all the interpretations and creative liberties they got to represent it! If anything the one unfairly put in this list is Nemesis (although Pisaca took the bullet there, even though I do not like its design to begin with)
I always imagine if some of the old designs from the 80s would make it in the modern games.
Director: "We need to give the All-father, Odin, a design that perfectly suits his status as king of the Norse Gods."
Designer: "Got it, you want a twink with a pointy hat."
The worst thing is that Loki's design has had different designs in P4 and P5 compared to his look in Nocturne
@@chrisdaughen5257 He looks better in P4 and 5 IMO.
@@SolProxy I his original design was just Odin without the helmet
You made that way funnier then it should be!
Then we got a power ranger.
Someone's jealous they don't have the swag to walk around in nothing but a cloak and a viking helmet.
Or naked on a frog with their pet kitty
Or covered from head to toe with melons.
VidyaStuff or a buzz saw going from their crotch to their head.
Hed rather be ultraman style Odin
I would if I had a viking helmet, which I tried to get many times in the past
So, my boy nyarly really searched for devil survivor hentai, cant blame him
Well he was young and as a 15 yr dumbass i agree with him
@@cesarshido5696 i think found the doujin its pretty good.
@@LyGon-pw5mt I've seen Maggot Baits, so it cant be that bad.
Have you seen Yuzu tho
@@LyGon-pw5mt That being said I dont blame him, Yuzu is cute.
The Pisaca one sounds like a genuine SMT Struggle Tweet
Yo yo, Pisaca!
I read it before this video and now i want to kill every abbaddon and piscasa
@@octanecat3825 orkus, biliwis, nue, Astaroth...
I think orobas too
@@joserubenuriberusca1248 of ALL the franchises, the last one I expected was SMT (specifically the demons...)
@@von_da_alien Not even ASShera? I mean there is a lot of cute demons over there
The most intimidating thing about Odin is the fact that the wind could blow the other way at any time
That just sounds like a fun time
That's why you must give him force repel
Even worse is that he often has Wind skills as well.
Would that really be a bad thing though?
The character designer who designed Diana :
"My goal is beyond your understanding"
Inanna Designer: "Hold my sake."
@@sigmundschwartz6434 It's how the concept art for Inanna are so tame. The final designed is still exactly what I thought of after seeing Diana's design and realizing that Inanna is also a fertility goddess
“So basically, I like anime tiddies...”
@@ElCampeador99 “I like anime tiddes all over besides the chest 😏”
No, we understand exactly
Today I learned Pisaca has eyes.
Yeah same
It´s like a snail
So did I
95853 the sauce
@@ParakeetDSi
Where do I use it
Seeing No.1 disliked design:
When someone call you a tithead, it’s usually not for a literal reason.
Inana is similar but it works better in her
@@joserubenuriberusca1248 Inana was such an amazing demon. Hope she comes back
Wow ok....why?
this is the first time ive heard anyone call someone a tit head
If I had to say, Bael's redesign could have worked as "first form" kind of deal. He starts off relatively normal, just a dude with some animals, then becomes the monstrosity that fuses all those things into one.
God, imagine Sanat's dentist appointments.
“I have a cavity in my crotch.”
And Pisaca's...
Sanat probably has a case of hyperdontia.
Why are you asking God? It's not like he knows.
@@ganonproductions7902 YVYH in Apocalypse was probably the dentist, that's why he nuked the world
Odin's old design looks like a discount DBZ character.
Yeah as someone who haven't watched or played dbz or smt I thought it looked like the Dragon ball artist made it.
If you showed people who don't know a collection of dbz characters with Odin in there or something and asked which one doesn't belong in Dragon ball I think he would successfully blend in and avoid a pattern of being singled out as the fake.
That's exactly what I was thinking!
Odin's facial features look Perfect Cell like
Justice for Nemesis! Why I like Nemesis?
-The wheel IS a buzzsaw. Whenever Ken does a physical skill (of which, Ken primarily uses physical skills with the down bonus damage) Nemesis does assault the opponent with her buzzsaw. It's a fun design choice that makes the animations a little more fun (and makes Kala-Nemi feel like a downgrade).
-The robot design jives with me. The robot design with the dumb chest face shows that Ken isn't quite as mature as he's letting himself on to be. Combine that with the buzzsaw and you have a design the looks overly eager to do the whole goddess of punishment thing (which again can come back to Ken).
-Something about having a faceless head with the chest face just appeals to me as someone who enjoys unsettling designs.
#WeStanNemesis
The buzzsaw is also a nice bit of symbolism. It makes Nemesis look more inhuman than the other initial personas, and makes it look like something that could not function "normally" the way other humanoid personas like Castor or Hermes could. It does a good job of depicting the destructiveness of Ken's suicidal quest for revenge in that first half of the game.
I like it just for the sake of edginess
Nemesis' buzzsaw could also reflect the symbolism of karma, even though that's more for The Wheel Of Fortune, it's still prevalent in Justice. The reason its a buzzsaw of all things is to represent his journey of revenge, which is what the Reversed Justice Arcana usually depicts
Gotta disagree but you do you
I like Odin a lot because:
- He's emaciated, which reflects Odin's character. Odin isn't a badass viking warrior, he's a conniving wizard who needed to undergo self torture and physical trials before he could learn all the ruins. It also kind of reminds me of Jesus.
- His robe and nudity kind of makes him look like Greek statute which contrasts with the rest of his get up and makes it look like he has chad confidence.
- His one eye, self-explanatory.
- His spear is cool and again reminds me of Jesus (Lance of Longinus).
- His viking helmet is awesome and way cooler than thor's.
- His raven is cool and appropriate.
he's just so minimalist that it looks out of place besides the other high tier personas/demons.
like you see satan, beelzebub, norn, lucifer, and then odin.
he could have a huge sage beard, or a cooler robe with runes, or a thinking pose, or anything at all.
alexander martinez Odin’s whole thing is that he’s minimalist though. In mythology he looks like Gandalf, just an old man with a robe and a hat. Mega-Ten is in fact playing it up massively lol.
@@conker690 yeah but half the point of smt is to play up mainstream god and legends.
Odin design in SmT4 A is leauges better than the viking styles
the spear is Gungnir, the robe is to be expected, the purple skin and nudity is... well, that's probably Freya's department. The horned helmet is actually the most out of place element in his design, as his traditional description when he deigns to walk among mortals is that he wears a straw wide-brimmed hat
@@ChibiKami he is not really walking among mortals in the game though he is in fights and at war technically. He does have gold armor and his spear of course
The Diana one gets worse. Her Greek counterpart Artemis debuted way back in Megami Tensei II and, despite having a different design, is still based off that same fountain. More loyally too, since all of those melons are gathered on her chest.
It's still better than them being on her head and her shoes though.
Out of all the cool designs you could make out of Artemis...
At least it looks better in persona 2
She's just a recolor of Diana in SMT Imagine
Thank Aleph for Artemisia.
"during my early teenage years of browsing the internet sometimes my curiosity would get the best of me"
I think we all know where this is going so moving right ahead
When censoring words for youtube monetisation rules, use the smt4a YHVH pronunciation instead like you used to
Genius, way better than bleeping and muting
_ oxi0de what does it sound like tho?
@@lucrativelucas2655 like a robotic " yaaeeh woouuh" or something like that
@@armarezawigaputra7649 that would scare me
Tim Lucas m.ruclips.net/video/tlSYsvtMFRE/видео.html spoilers for apocalypse btw
You know I could’ve gone my entire life without knowing that something like what Nyarly experienced exists in this world
Pff ive seen way worse
But that henntai is somthing ungodly
@@רועיכהן-ל1יI love ingodly things, it gives meminspiration to write horror scenarios, sometimes horror and erotica walks a fine line, a name for the work should be appreciated.
Me seeing SMT IV lucifer: Look at how they massacred my boy...
Um....how was he massacred!?
EDIT: *Oh, wait....SMT 4 LUCIFER, RIGHT!? THAT THING WAS A PURE MASSACRE!*
@Fozzerino SMT V Lucifer: Look at how they completely brought back my boy!
to be fair his design is always amazing except there
I almost vomit when I got to phase 2 in that fight.
Not kidding. It grossed me out more than Beelzebub and what he had people of Tennozu do.
Hey at least they foreshadowing the coming of...gasp...supreme leader snoke
The Odin design is actually pretty brilliant in its simplicity because it captures how Odin will often disguise himself as an ordinary person to go out into the world and toy with people in games of wisdom. Yeah he’s super strong, but he values himself more as a thinker than a fighter
While true, this IS SMT we're talking about, so you kinda have to be careful with the mantality
Nyarly: *begins talking about why he doesn't like pisaca*
Me: oh. OH NO! (x10)
You read that????
Tell me the name of the hentai
@@naoki-kashima2635
do not look for it
@@erykvonbochen9180 Is it that bad?
@@lordmobile2976
YES
I can say you but it will be disgusting
I hate those edgy extra detailed designs with zero to none actual reference to source material, but for some reason I really like Sanat design. And I don't see anything wrong with Ancient of Days. In fact, I have it on my top 10 Megaten demons of all time.
same, I love Ancient of Days, just look at those trumpeters
What REALLY bothers me is that Thor and Loki look *so* cool in Persona 5, but their father Odin still looks... like that.
in... persona 5?
@@LaManchaland yes Persona 5, what about it
Odin's older designs are based tbh.
@@matchanavi that its originally not p5
@@LaManchaland and where did they imply they were?
6:16 best segment of the video, I DIED laughing when he explained why he hated it with all the censors
The Picasa story has me rolling. Also I always thought the elementals were bad.
That story was hilarious what made it even funnier for me is that I knew the exact story he was talking about when he brought up Devil Survivor 2
@@drexoslek2277 Oh boy, you know by saying that, people will want the sauce from you
@@drexoslek2277 And about the sauce
@@drexoslek2277 No, wait, found it already.
Good old predation
You know, the first thing I thought about when meeting Demeter was Pixie. I guess the artist went for the whole "little playful fairy" design.
As much as I agree with Sanat, I think it went for the a "chaotic evolution" approach.
Pisaca is scary as fuck. I love it.
i’m so sorry but i think i laughed my ass off at your story about Pisaca
Yo yo, Pisaca!
How do you bleach your ears
Internet corrupted me in a point where i heard beyond the beeps.
Here's the sauce 95853
@@ParakeetDSi nobody wants that
"Covered in melons"
Trip: *shakes furiously*
When Nyarly went "*BEEEEEP, BEEEEEEP, BEEEEEEEEEEP*, I felt that.
the forbidden number to the hentai nyarly is talking about is 95853
Should i research about it or not?
Degenerate
Where do I look this up?
@@Ace4573 nhentai
AHHH YES. Diana made me want to Persona 3 myself when I first saw it.
I'm gonna start using "to Persona 3 myself" from now on, thank you
“Per-so-na” *Makoto says as he then blows his head out. Credits Roll*
I searched that “fanmade work”.
Now I wanna die.
why
Sauce :3
@@carminefan11095853
3 years late,but why did you read that?!
(Now im gonna fall into the abyss myself)
Now the only natural step would be "What mythological/folkore beings would you like to see to become Megaten demons" I guess?
I'd honestly love to see some western tall tale figures to turn into demons, or more indigenous/native/Aztec stuff
Conspiracy demons like chemtrail was cool and I'd like to see more of that somehow
I would like aliens like greys, the flatwoods monster and the hopkinsville goblins. I would also like more cryptids like ogopogo or bigfoot, as well as more urban legends like the mad gasser, perhaps Bloody Mary.
I'd love some from Philippine folklore
I think some more American Folk lore/mythologies would be really cool. Some that come to mind would be, Paul Bunyan and Headless Horseman. Big foot is an obvious but it’s only appearance was in SMT 1 so a comeback is so needed. We already have Mothman so I think more would be great.
Christian Alonzo I’d love to see some of the fearsome critters from lumberjack folklore
The fact I knew the exact h**tai he talked about from years back scares me.
why censor hentai
Your links hand them over.
@@rhysraymond5976late, but the numbers are 95853
Aww I love the Mitama’s their design is so simple and charming imo I don’t think it’s lazy I think it’s a cool motif. Plus they were all super useful and various different points in my P3 FES and P4G playthroughs.
I mean,they're literally just spirits,nothing more,so i guess the rather cartoony design makes them rather charming
The Mitama actually combine a few different mythological influences. The "classical" elements of Air, Water, Earth, and Fire are the colours Yellow, Blue, Black and Red.
The faces relate to the "four humours" theory of psychology: Black bile, yellow bile, sanguine, and phlegmatic. Each humour is attached to a personality trait, and you gotta keep 'em in a certain amount of balance or you get Problems. That's where the faces come in.
The artists responsible fir Sanat's design must've been like "if you add *some* faces here and there it would look awesome"
You know what this design needs? More face.
It looks like something straight out of a Yu-Gi-Oh card
@@Yugi477 Lord of the Heavenly Prison be like
So, I guess I'll have to be the one to defend Sanat, eh? Well, so, I do agree that his desing is way too much, but that's really the point. In SMT IV he's *supposed* to be the embodiment of Chaos, which is exactly how he's portrayed: there's no symmetry at all in every part of his body, no harmony, and no consensus on what he's supposed to look like; just like the Ancient of Days is supposed to be the embodiment of order.
Exactly! I was wondering if anyone else was thinking this, especially cause AoD is like almost entirely symmetrical, so when you put them side by side the art direction makes so much more sense
Meh it still sucks
My favorite thing about sanat is that he is forever a 16 year old age wise
That also implies that he looks like a human otherwise there would be no way to know
This design not only does it not look like what senat should look but also contradics his lore and worse of all
He looks... Old
All these skinny long arms and and face makes him look like an old monk with just shouldnt be the case at all
The design would have been better if this was a fase he could reach during battle instead of just being how he looks like
Narly we all understand were u are coming from with 6:48 do not worry we have all been scarred by something
Ngl the way he described sccared me a little bit
But u could bearl y hear what he said
@@christopher4227 curse of a good ear
@@cesarshido5696 omg that's deep
Yeah my curiosity led to my degeneracy and I want to bleach my eyes
Lucifer reminds me of that horror video that shows a chair moving and then when a guy moves the ceiling falls.
I think Mara is great, imo. I mean, as a demon, wouldn't getting slapped in the face by a giant dong be in line with chaos? Lol
I think that was for clickbait. Of course he likes Mara.
@@petshophftf oh I know, I scrolled through the video just in case before making the comment. That being said, still had to make the joke, lol
I think my least favorite.....hm......would be......crap I think I’ll go with Castor from P3, it just seems too basic
Mara was great. Then Mara got memed to death, and the joke got played out hard.
We stan the penis chariot
7:43 lmao I knew where this was going as soon as you mentioned fan works.
Bael: I agree with that, this design was a downgrade.
Lucifer (SMT4): Yeah, I usually think Handsome Squidward whenever I see this design, I think the 2nd Phase design's better.
Demeter: This design choice is more humorous to me than it should be. (Just something hilarious about seeing Zeus getting a badass design, then in the same game you get Demeter as a child.)
Sanat: Someone sat down, drew this guy, and never stopped. (I do think it's cool looking, but I do agree that it's overkill.)
Pisaca: You poor soul. (I actually like Pisaca if mostly for the design, because it looks cool to me.)
The Recolors: A shame that they didn't do a little more than just a palette swap (But hey, extra powerful demons) (A shame that they're DLC.)
The Mitamas: Eh, can't win them all I suppose (In Persona, these guys aren't so bad gameplay-wise. And that's why I like them.)
Nemesis: Ah yes, the Buzzsaw (I do like Nemesis for being rather blunt: Buzzsaw Robot.)
Odin: I like both designs, though I do like the first design if mostly because the old look is basic and nothing too complex. (Not to knock down SMT4's Odin, that one's badass, and it makes up for it being a different design.)
Diana: They did her dirty with this design. That is all.
So yeah, I don't mind simplicity in my designs, but I don't mind having details in character design.
As for least favorite SMT monster? Obariyon. Annoying little gremlin.
Also Bael's original appearance in MT II as a high-level boss was profoundly epic looking. He's in the center of page 49, looking all metal as ****! megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Bael?file=Demons_of_MTII.jpg
@ً Yeah, that is very true, there is always a possibility that there's a teen/adult with child like appearances.
@@toryficarola Aw, this looks pretty sweet, Atlus should bring back these designs one day.
@ً But for Demeter,one of her domains being fertility,it doesn't make sense for her to be portrayed in this way. Like, if this was Artemis the goddess of virginity,moon,and the hunt her being a child would fit. Demeter being portrayed as child like doesn't fit with her legend nor character.
@ً I know that loli=/= child,but Demeter's design to me looks less an adult woman who happens to be very short and/or petite and more like an actual child. I don't see any kind of womanly curves on her design anywhere(that would indicate the more motherly and fertility aspect of her character.) so to me it looks way more childish than it should. So I'm sorry,but Demeters character design doesn't work on any level for me,even accounting for the loli=/= child angle.
I always thought Nemesis was supposed to represent Ken's need to act like an adult with the buzzsaw surrounding the almost childlike face in the middle.
whats wrong with naked men riding frogs?
Some people just don't have class 😜😜😜
He's wearing a cat as a scarf, what if he hs an allergy?
"What happened to Atlus games? They're all about the dating sim and relationship aspect now."
*sees Diana's design.*
7:00 reminded me of "DON'T WATCH AN ANIME CALLED BOKU"
YEEEEEEEEEE[OOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Not gonna lie, I love the simple design of purple Odin. I think he looks cool
SMT IV Lucifer just looks like a tyrant from RE.
oh you're right
6:36 "Quotes made before unfortunate events"
**Sees mara in thumbnail**
**instant click**
If demeter was a more serious demon i would not trust her, i think that his crappy design help that you would give her the fruits in smt sj
I think it works out because for all extents and purposes Demeter is one of the less twisted law aligned demons. And it's pretty hard to watch what happens to her since she was just loyal to law's ideals and still looks like a child.
Reminder that Demeter was not Doi's idea and it was the higher-ups at Atlus that wanted a little girl. Doi isn't perfect by any means, but acording to interviews he didn't like the Demeter they went with and just had to deal with it.
I love most of it. Just make her an adult and it would be great.
Honestly her desing isnt bad but i can see why people dont like it. Maybe because it changes too much yet too little at the same time from what people imagine as "goddess of fertility etc."
*puts mara in thumbnail"
YOU WERE MY BROTEHER ROG YOU BETRAYED ME!
13:15 i never even though of that, that's for sure not on purpoise, especially concidering you can actually have sex in that game
Odin is described as having a blue cloak, wide brimmed hat, a full beard and his spear, Gungnir his spear in hand. I'm not sure how the clean-shaven, purple skin or cape and whitey tighties got into SMT.
There's some visual depictions of Odin that depict him as almost nude. And I believe he's referenced as being almost nude in some old Norse folklore takes too.
As for him having purple skin I think that's just there to differentiate himself from regular people.
@@ils4844 In Japanese monster-collection stuff, purple skin is shorthand for full-body frostbite, especially on supernatural beings who ostensibly can continue to exist in such a state.
@@autobotstarscream765 Tbf the places where the Norse lived are pretty cold to my knowledge.
@@ils4844 Yep, so if you go around up there wearing nothing but a sheet...see where I'm going with this?
@@autobotstarscream765 I already saw where you were going with this from a mile away.
in the #6 i think this is what he was talking about "95853" (this is a code for a website, don't ask me on how to use it, but for those who know how to use it well..... good for you)
In fairness to Diana, she is also the goddess of motherhood, so it's sort of similar for what they did for Innana. It's still not really GOOD but it does make some sense.
Wait that doesn't make sense. Diana is the Roman counterpart to Artemis. Artemis is one of the 3 virgin goddesses in greek mythology. Wouldn't motherhood fall Juno's domain?
@@dustinvance243 She is more specifically the goddess of childbirth, which is also true of Artemis. In Greek mythology, in some stories, Artemis was born first and helped in the childbirth of Apollo. If I had to guess, the association likely comes from her association to virginity, since children are virgin. You would think it would be Hera, but also Hera really likes killing children (specifically Zeus' children, she tries very hard to kill Zeus' children with any woman that isnt her).
"Odin is just doing the bare minimum"
And you're correct. It's just Kaneko slapping every single description of Odin in Prose Edda (Cloak and Golden Helmet) on a purple mannequin.
I do admittedly have a bit of a soft-spot for SMT 4's Lucifer design, more specifically the one in Apocalypse. Along with the emphasis on black instead of purple leading to a more striking appearance he has a really fun pose and expression that gives him a unique look. I'm not sure if I prefer it over his standard designs but it at least feels fitting for the Lord of Chaos.
I actually like the Demeter desing for the exact reason that the designer says. Kids then to be innocent and pure, you don't suppose to distrust someone who looks like her.
This man hates pisaca cause of the r34 but loves beelzebub. Hmmmm
198300
@@ImPyroChad In case any of you were wondering, that' NOT an nhentai link to the doujin Nyarly talked about.
@@verymelonman12 then where it be
I have the link
I actually have the hentai as one of my favorites lol
@@Buggingabout give the link
I was like "i don't get what's wrong with diana, sure she's a little bumpy and stuff but... wait what are those yellow circles.... oh.... OH NO!"
The RUclips algorithm has a bias in favour of negative content
Sanat looks like something out of a hokey parody of a death metal cover.
Also THERE WILL BE NO DISSING OF MY BOY JIRAYA ON THIS HOUSE!
He looks like something you'd find on the back of a biker jacket
Jiraya looks like a 90' skater that tries to smoke chocolate because they think it's black tar
P3 Nemesis be like: 👁👄👁
Demeter looks like she lost her parents in the store and started to wander off
I like Demeter personally.
Also I love how many of these are here just for design alone
Odin looks like a Dragon Quest character.
I kinda like the SMT4's Lucifer because he looks to me like what a fallen Angel would look like. Humanoid...but not quite enough to be human, the left arm with what I presume the remains of your friend forming in there, and it just...kinda works for me. Yeah the older design is much better but to me I think the design kinda fits, but yeah him on the throne does look pretty baller, after all thrones are awesome
Also I agree bout the palate swap DLC, I don't mind DLC demons but god damn
Also how I would fit the Mitamas
I'd have a maniquin like creature holding a mask with the different expression. I feel it would go with the theme it isn't meant for battle but fusion but give it a more original spin on their gimmick of souls
SMT IV Lucifer would be completely fine if he had a different outfit. But the gold matador really ruins everything. Makes him look like Michael Jackson or David Bowie or something. Completely wrong vibe.
@@JoeSakana ya know thats a good point...what about a tux, like you got something inhuman in a classy human outfit, would that fit?
@@BrenTenkage He'd probably just look like Slenderman, then.
@@JoeSakana actually....I'd love to see an old SMT styled artwork of Slenderman, what would their take on that one be
@@JoeSakana At least Doi made it work by giving him that baller throne and changing the coloring. Merkabah's redesign was an L though
4:30 what bs, he should have said " i just wanted to draw some lolis" i'd be ok with that, i stopped questioning the japanese a long time ago, like just don't lie to my face
he actually also said himself he dislikes the design, but had to go with it bcos Atlus wanted loli demon
@@LeinRa-Reaction welp i wasn't paying that much attention lol
Lucifer in SMT IV it's what happens if you fuse an alien with An outfit that a JoJo character would wear
As much as i love Odin especially on gameplay, i have one confession to make... He looks like a Dragon Ball Alien with a Scouter D:
I'mma really need you to never talk about hentai or doujins again. I could have gone my whole life not knowing that Pisaca story existed.
Yo yo, Pisaca!
"It looks like one of those crazy things that drunk people do videos" we need to start following those crazy drunks if they are somehow locating giant toads to ride
If Diana is the goddess of hunting, then I must say, she might just become the target
They really did Diana dirty like that? Yeesh...
For number 1 I have to say:
Dirty Diana
Sick mj reference bro
6:44
Is it bad that I know exactly what he's talking about lol
He's a fellow man of culture
Yes
Shit was mid
How about reviewing the different avatar forms in
SMT: Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2? 🤔
I honestly like both designs for Odin. The first one I feel is a minimalist design at its finest. The fact that he just looks so simple and yet so intimidating screams confidence to me. His SMT4 design is also pretty badass, and gives him a majestic, graceful, yet vindictive vibe.
Alternate title: "Top 10 WORST Megami Tensei Demon Designs"
I find it pretty interesting that Odin's weakness is fire, and Surt has fire skills, because in norse mithology, Surt is destined to kill Odin during the Ragnarok =V
I found the "fan work" he was talking about lmao
Gimme
Link
@@ВадимКлименков-с3и just go on a site and tag search devil survivor 2. It can't be missed
@@PetraDunamancer Is it a doujin or an artwork collection?
whats the name of the fanwork?
8:30 I'm really sorry 95853
No you are not nonce
All of the goddess of fertility kinda have awful designs. Either the designs are too sexual and immature, or they are weirdly childlike.
Hastor in Persona 2 was pretty cool, but I've only seen her sprite.
SMTIVs Lucifer still creeps me out. I don't know what it is, but he just scares the shit out of me. So glad Doi fixed him for Apocalypse
I know he's not actually on the list but, I think Jiraiya looks awesome.
thanks, nyarly, that pisaca thing now ghosts around twitter.
and even tho, i really like Odins design, BECAUSE its kinda minimalistic, but in the best way possible, it IS quite underwhelming if we consider how important of a god he is.
Will you a video on dante's inclusion as DLC for smt nocturne remastered?
I was surprised at how bad SMT 4 Lucifer looked especially after seeing how amazing Merkabah was
Merkabah was Jonathon as an Archangel with huge bewbs right?
@@imthethriller yes
Can we see you gush about your favorite SMT game?
He already talked about it. Devil Survivor 1.
Weston Meyer yes...it is
@Weston Meyer Okay, I'm gonna take your statement and information about the game in the internet.
SMT is Megaten (you say)
Devil Survivor is an SMT SPINOFF (as the internet say)
SMT Spinoff is still SMT
therefore... Devil Survivor is both SMT and Megaten
Got to know about megami tensei after playing p3 and became a huge fan. Your channel was one of the biggest motivators to experience early persona games that are close to smt games and real smt games and this was an experience with the capital E. Thank you so much for your content. You are the best
"My Harvest!" is killing me each time she appears. Currently playing Strange Journey for the fist time after being introduced to the universe trough P4G on Steam.
I really hate to admit how much I love the Mitama quartet lol. Like I wholeheartedly agree with you on every point, but I can't help but love them. Especially Ara Mitama. They always remind me of Super Princess Peach, and I wouldn't be entirely shocked if Nintendo got the idea from there, though I doubt it.
Have you imagine yourself, lay down, wounded. And this boy comes to you. And starts cutting your body with his saw thing. While the last thing that you see are that saw with your blood and that smile...
Nemesis is by far my favorite persona of the protagonists.
I like Nemesis. I think that it's honestly pretty cool. Plus I think that catatonic stare and just lack of liveliness in movement or expression it has is almost like how Ken can't move past his plot for revenge in the game.
"The Mitamas aren't meant for battle"
Ara Mitama carried me for half my Nocturne playthrough lol. But I'll agree the rest are lame.
Tell that to Margaret in P3P too. I know thats Persona, but still
6:30 oh no ... I am Sorry for probably One of most fucked doujinshi ever ...
Tho i don't understand how DID he appear in Persona 5, he doesn't really fit
Shit was mid